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Wynn, who had been a candidate to be released, restructured his contract, accepting a base salary of $850,000 with a $500,000 signing bonus and an opportunity to earn $1.5 million in performance incentives. He had been scheduled to earn $2.8 million.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801056.html]Defensive End Selection Sacked, Gibbs Gives Line Vote of Confidence - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;303999]Wynn, who had been a candidate to be released, restructured his contract, accepting a base salary of $850,000 with a $500,000 signing bonus and an opportunity to earn $1.5 million in performance incentives. He had been scheduled to earn $2.8 million.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801056.html]Defensive End Selection Sacked, Gibbs Gives Line Vote of Confidence - washingtonpost.com[/url][/QUOTE]

I think it's safe to say he will not be getting 1.5 mil.

I find it interesting that in feb. Gibbs said we needed DE help, now he gave the DL a vote of confidence. That doesn't make sense.

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I like Wynn, he always been a good run stopper. I think he's got a little left in the tank.

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Are there any decent DL's waiting to be drafted today? Can we trade for any -- Kris Jenkins, maybe? If not, we need to be ready for another long season. Coach Gibbs' wife warned him not to come back. Maybe he should have listened to her. He can't fix an organization that has been dysfunctional from the top ever since it changed ownership.

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well if this makes you feel any better i think we found golston in the 6th round last year. so they are some diamonds in the rough...they just need a little polishing. lets see what we do today.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;303999]Wynn, who had been a candidate to be released, restructured his contract, accepting a base salary of $850,000 with a $500,000 signing bonus and an opportunity to earn $1.5 million in performance incentives. He had been scheduled to earn $2.8 million.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/28/AR2007042801056.html]Defensive End Selection Sacked, Gibbs Gives Line Vote of Confidence - washingtonpost.com[/url][/QUOTE]

Thank heavens. It would be devastating to lose his "locker room leadership."

:rolleyes:

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I'm glad, I think Wynn can have a good year. He doesn't have a lot of time left but I think he can go 1 to 2 more years.

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Can someone please explain why Wynn gets such a pass with Redskins fans?

Check these numbers:

Through 16 games in 2005, he had 24 tackles and one-half sack. Last year, in 15 games he had 14 tackles. That's it.

The guy is a complete bum who should have retired 5 years ago. He is one of the reasons people around the league think this team is a laughingstock.

The loyalty some people have for Renaldo Wynn is absolutely baffling.

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This isn't really a restructure, this is essentially a paycut. I guess they're technically calling it a restructure because they're taking the money he was supposed to make and turning it into an incentive. But for all intents and purposes, this is a pay reduction. Good move by the Skins and all, but they don't really need the cap room; unless they intend to add a veteran player from around the league via a trade somehow. I can only hope that's what they're doing, and I hope that player comes along the defensive line, because if that's not the case I'm going to be one disgruntled Redskins fan.

This team needs to show me that they've got a plan.

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[quote=Beemnseven;304040]Can someone please explain why Wynn gets such a pass with Redskins fans?

Check these numbers:

Through 16 games in 2005, he had 24 tackles and one-half sack. Last year, in 15 games he had 14 tackles. That's it.

The guy is a complete bum who should have retired 5 years ago. He is one of the reasons people around the league think this team is a laughingstock.

The loyalty some people have for Renaldo Wynn is absolutely baffling.[/quote]

Yeah, good research B. I don't know why he gets a pass. It is time for this team to adopt a policy of show me what you can do to help us WIN football games. And if you show us nothing, then you are gone, period.....

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I'm eagerly anticipating the questions Beem will have for Wynn when we have our chat with him.

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[quote=Beemnseven;304040]Can someone please explain why Wynn gets such a pass with Redskins fans?

Check these numbers:

Through 16 games in 2005, he had 24 tackles and one-half sack. Last year, in 15 games he had 14 tackles. That's it.

The guy is a complete bum who should have retired 5 years ago. He is one of the reasons people around the league think this team is a laughingstock.

The loyalty some people have for Renaldo Wynn is absolutely baffling.[/quote]

Man, I agree w/ you 100%. Keeping Wynn around is simply ridicules. But this does not guarantee he makes the team does it? Couldn't someone come in and beat him out?

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[quote=Beemnseven;304040]Can someone please explain why Wynn gets such a pass with Redskins fans?

Check these numbers:

Through 16 games in 2005, he had 24 tackles and one-half sack. Last year, in 15 games he had 14 tackles. That's it.

The guy is a complete bum who should have retired 5 years ago. He is one of the reasons people around the league think this team is a laughingstock.

The loyalty some people have for Renaldo Wynn is absolutely baffling.[/quote]

I think it's nothing more than a rotation signing, nothing more than depth. With a paycut. Hopefully he will have a decent season.

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wynn is a good guy to have in the locker room, and he has never in his career been a dynamic pass rusher so if ur gonna pull up stats showing a lack of sacks you arent showing anyone anything new. he didnt even start last year so yet again showing last year's stats does little. every team needs depth, and we now have cheaper depth at DE and keep that leadership

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[quote=Big C;304071]wynn is a good guy to have in the locker room, and he has never in his career been a dynamic pass rusher so if ur gonna pull up stats showing a lack of sacks you arent showing anyone anything new. he didnt even start last year so yet again showing last year's stats does little. every team needs depth, and we now have cheaper depth at DE and keep that leadership[/quote]

Well said, Big C!

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What better option do we have right now?? He's not starter material anymore but in a rotation he's a quality veteran backup.

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So Im assuming this move means we're going after someone after June 1 cuts, or are we just freeing up space for rookie signings?

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The defensive line in Williams' scheme often isn't used to pressure the QB. Their job is to eat up blocks and work vs the run. That keeps our linebackers and safeties free to make plays, rush the QB, and play the run. Our defensive line 'needs' have been over inflated on this site. Williams puts his corners on islands and uses everyone else on the field to create pressure.

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[quote=Daseal;304096]The defensive line in Williams' scheme often isn't used to pressure the QB. Their job is to eat up blocks and work vs the run. That keeps our linebackers and safeties free to make plays, rush the QB, and play the run. Our defensive line 'needs' have been over inflated on this site. Williams puts his corners on islands and uses everyone else on the field to create pressure.[/quote]

I agree. As I said in another thread I think a lot of us got too focused on the defensive line and forgot that our secondary was pretty piss poor last year too. Landry will hopefully be what we thought AA was going to be. An in the box safety that will be stout against the run and will also be a serious blitz threat.

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About having a plan: the plan is pick up the pieces. There wasn't a good enough DLman at 6, and no good trade down offer. So they pick up AA's replacement (obviously a position that Williams thinks is crucial to his style of D), resign Wynn for a paycut (the only way he stays around, even with his vaunted leadership skills), and then we see what there is in the late rounds and in late FA. And then we make do. I see no other options for even the most gifted of GMs here on the warpath, given that we've traded away all our picks this year, and blown it with AA and LLoyd (verdict is still out on ARE, Rocky, and JC, though I remain optimistic).

When you've handcuffed yourself, there's not a lot you can do. But now that we're here, resigning Wynn with a paycut is fine. But it obviously is only a thin and used bandaid for our D line troubles...

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How much cap money does this save us?

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[quote=Big C;304071]wynn is a good guy to have in the locker room, and he has never in his career been a dynamic pass rusher so if ur gonna pull up stats showing a lack of sacks you arent showing anyone anything new. he didnt even start last year so yet again showing last year's stats does little. every team needs depth, and we now have cheaper depth at DE and keep that leadership[/quote]

If we need him in the locker room so bad why don't we just hire him as a DE assistant coach.

What do the Redskins need more of on defensive line? Motivation or Sacks...I choose the latter.

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"Hey, we need help at DE." "I think the DL will be just fine." What? Sigh... make up your mind Joe.

It is so obvious what our most glaring need is, and we just flat out ignore it. I'm sure you'll hear other FO types around the league, under condition of anonymity, ripping us yet again. What are we thinking?? I'm optimistic about every position on our team except this stupid DL.

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Didn't this save us more money than if we had just out right cut Wynn?

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[QUOTE=GMScud;304244]"Hey, we need help at DE." "I think the DL will be just fine." What? Sigh... make up your mind Joe.

It is so obvious what our most glaring need is, and we just flat out ignore it. I'm sure you'll hear other FO types around the league, under condition of anonymity, ripping us yet again. What are we thinking?? I'm optimistic about every position on our team except this stupid DL.[/QUOTE]

You know I am right there with you concerning the DL...but after some of these moves, I really feel they know something we don't. We are creating room to sign someone...so while I am upset that I didn't get the guy we wanted, we very well could get a sud after June 1st to be our DE. We better anyway, otherwise our DL is one of the worst in the league.

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I guess we going to keep him around for a little longer which is great. But why the hell did we say we were going to address the D-line via draft. There is no need to mislead ppl for Day 2 picks, they are not exactly in demand.

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[quote=Mattyk72;304117]I agree. As I said in another thread I think a lot of us got too focused on the defensive line and forgot that our secondary was pretty piss poor last year too. Landry will hopefully be what we thought AA was going to be. An in the box safety that will be stout against the run and will also be a serious blitz threat.[/quote]

If Landry can man cover a slot receiver while Smoot and Rogers take the outside and Taylor gets the TE, we can blitz 7. GW will bring pressure every play increasing the TO chances.

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wynn is washed up and old.i say cut him,salevea and daniels.we nedd young players.

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[quote=jsarno;304005]

I find it interesting that in feb. Gibbs said we needed DE help, now he gave the DL a vote of confidence. That doesn't make sense.[/quote]

I love the guy but Gibbs is a liar when it comes to the press. I'm always reminded of a quote between him and Patrick Ramsey when he said something to the effect of "Patrick you and I are going to be together for a long time."

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can someone please answer why he did this. He lost ALOT of money by doing this. If he got cut he would have gotten almost 2 mil more than accepting the contract restructuring he did. Im thinking there is more to the contract that we dont know about, like with the Brunell contract restructuring how his old contract was still sort of in place.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;304360]I love the guy but Gibbs is a liar when it comes to the press. I'm always reminded of a quote between him and Patrick Ramsey when he said something to the effect of "Patrick you and I are going to be together for a long time."[/QUOTE]

I made a comment not too long ago about Gibbs being a liar, and some people got very upset, but it's true...he lies a lot. I don't know if we should be disturbed by that, or just accept it as what he needs to do to get what he wants.

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There's a difference between being a liar, and changing your mind.

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[quote=jsarno;304208]How much cap money does this save us?[/quote]

This move saves us $1.5 million in cap space.

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[quote=Beemnseven;304040]Can someone please explain why Wynn gets such a pass with Redskins fans?

Check these numbers:

Through 16 games in 2005, he had 24 tackles and one-half sack. Last year, in 15 games he had 14 tackles. That's it.

The guy is a complete bum who should have retired 5 years ago. He is one of the reasons people around the league think this team is a laughingstock.

The loyalty some people have for Renaldo Wynn is absolutely baffling.[/quote]

He played IN 16 games. Do you think he was an every down player last year? In 2004 and 2005, he had double the tackles because he played almost every down. Last year, Golston steps in and starts. We get Carter, so that takes away Wynn from playing DE and he plays even less. I don't see how his stats last year are any indication of the type of player he is.

As a matter of fact, if you look through his whole career, he has never topped thirty tackles in a season for some great Jacksonville and Washington defenses. So either he A) still has something left in the tank or B) was just a "never was" rather than a "has been".

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I know he wasn't a starter. Don't you think that at some point, even the guys for depth have to show more than Wynn has been able to give us? There comes a time when a guy's value and playing time becomes so insignificant that he's not worth keeping on the roster anymore.

For the life of me I don't understand the love affair some people seem to have for that man. It's not like we're talking about Darrell Green here! Is Renaldo Wynn the type of player who NEVER has to account for his contributions?

If his role is so limited, can't we bring in some young, hungry players who are aching to prove themselves for the money Wynn is getting? Wynn couldn't make it on any other roster in the league, yet there is a maniacal faction of fans here who never want to see him go.

I'll never understand it.

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[quote=Beemnseven;304733]I know he wasn't a starter. Don't you think that at some point, even the guys for depth have to show more than Wynn has been able to give us? There comes a time when a players value and playing time becomes so insignificant that he's not worth keeping on the roster anymore.

For the life of me I don't understand the love affair some people seem to have for that man. It's not like we're talking about Darrell Green here! Is Renaldo Wynn the type of player who NEVER has to account for his contributions?

If his role is so limited, can't we bring in some young, hungry players who are aching to prove themselves for the money Wynn is getting? Wynn couldn't make it on any other roster in the league, yet there is a maniacal faction of fans who never want to see him go.

I'll never understand it.[/quote]

Didn't we sign these people named Golston and Montgomery last year?

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[quote=Beemnseven;304733]I know he wasn't a starter. Don't you think that at some point, even the guys for depth have to show more than Wynn has been able to give us? There comes a time when a players value and playing time becomes so insignificant that he's not worth keeping on the roster anymore.

For the life of me I don't understand the love affair some people seem to have for that man. It's not like we're talking about Darrell Green here! Is Renaldo Wynn the type of player who NEVER has to account for his contributions?

If his role is so limited, can't we bring in some young, hungry players who are aching to prove themselves for the money Wynn is getting? Wynn couldn't make it on any other roster in the league, yet there is a maniacal faction of fans who never want to see him go.

I'll never understand it.[/quote]

Not only that, if a player has shown to be solid the entire time he's been here and he BASICALLY takes a pay cut to stay on the team, he'll ALWAYS get my vote of confidence. Sure, he has to account for his contributions, but given his limited playing time, he was nothing but solid.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;304734]Didn't we sign these people named Golston and Montgomery last year?[/QUOTE]

Yeah. So?

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[quote=Beemnseven;304736]Yeah. So?[/quote]

Aren't they young, hungry players? :doh:

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Or are you basically just suggesting we should have taken Okoye with our first round pick?

I have to say this year we most definitely are reaping what we sowed. Tank Tyler and a NUMBER of projected first round and early second round picks dropped to the late rounds where we could have snagged them.