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Our front office is on Defcon 5 to find some replacement LB's to cover for the fact that Marcus Washington and Rocky McIntosh are too fragile to be relied on.

The least they can do is not make it so obvious for other teams to know our weakness. Now I'm really concerned with our starting LB's. I didn't know the M. Washington injury was so severe.

By the way, what year is our pass rush going to be addressed. Because our pass rush was a detriment during our playoff run in 2005, now 2007 and we still have only made one transaction for positive in that department(A. Carter). Finding a long term solution for DE is paramount.

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Who said MW injury was so severe and Rocky fragile? How do you hide your picks....it's the draft. They were talkin about Briggs for months, it's no secret we are interested in LB's.

It's a depth issue.

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The Skins are making too obvious that LB is going to be our weakness this coming year. The Briggs talk and drafting all these LB's means the expectations are low for LB corp.

I heard that M. Washington is not going to be the same player after the surgery that was performed on his hip. No citiations provided, hearsay only.

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With Fletch in the Middle, and the rotation we will have on Outside/Weakside, I think it will be JUST the OPPOSITE.

I haven't heard a word on MW after the hip repairs....but I'm sure he will be just fine.

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I don't think we're going to be as weak at LB as everyone thinks. I like this Dallas Sartz kid...not so high on the kid from Pitt though.

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[quote=jsarno;304231]I don't think we're going to be as weak at LB as everyone thinks. I like this Dallas Sartz kid...not so high on the kid from Pitt though.[/quote]

I agree. I think we are in really good shape, with GREAT depth.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;304233]I agree. I think we are in really good shape, with GREAT depth.[/quote]

GREAT depth? You're kidding right? Aside from the starters, we have Lemar Marshall (who hurt us more than he helped us last year and turns 32 this year), Khary Campbell (never anything more than a special teamer), Anthony Trucks (WHO?), and two late round rookies who aren't even assured a roster spot ant this point. That's not "GREAT depth." That's poor depth.

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[quote=GMScud;304238]GREAT depth? You're kidding right? Aside from the starters, we have Lemar Marshall (who hurt us more than he helped us last year and turns 32 this year), Khary Campbell (never anything more than a special teamer), Anthony Trucks (WHO?), and two late round rookies who aren't even assured a roster spot ant this point. That's not "GREAT depth." That's poor depth.[/quote]


Why would it be poor depth? All starters are solid. Fleetch isn't coming out, MW and Rocky are full timers. Cambell is depth. Lemar could go....if he stays, more depth. Doesn't sound like you know anything about Trucks?

And we signed Blades and Startz, how is that not Great depth. I bet alot of teams would like to be in this BAD OF SHAPE at LB.

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following this arguement then drafting this jordan palmer guy is a shear indication that we have no faith in jason campbell...sounds like a lenny p kinda argument

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With 2 30+ year old backups, drafting a guy in the 6th round of the draft shows that they have no faith in Jason Campbell? Please explain that to me.

[I]EDIT: Misunderstood the previous post...lol[/I]

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;304250]Why would it be poor depth? All starters are solid. Fleetch isn't coming out, MW and Rocky are full timers. Cambell is depth. Lemar could go....if he stays, more depth. Doesn't sound like you know anything about Trucks?

And we signed Blades and Startz, how is that not Great depth. I bet alot of teams would like to be in this BAD OF SHAPE at LB.[/quote]

Umm, one of our starters has never been a starter and is coming off knee surgery (Rocky), another starter is coming off hip surgery (Marcus), and the third is 32 years old (Don't get me wrong, I think Fletch will be a beast).

Behind them, Marshall is the only player who has ever seen any real action, and he's a 32 year old converted MLB who was just not very good at all last year. Do YOU know anything about Trucks? He's an undrafted practice squad player who has never played a single down in the NFL. And then we have 5th and 6th round rookies.

That is poor depth. It just is man.

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[quote=jdlea;304280]With 2 30+ year old backups, drafting a guy in the 6th round of the draft shows that they have no faith in Jason Campbell? Please explain that to me.

[I]EDIT: Misunderstood the previous post...lol[/I][/quote]


I agree. If he was the best available, with this probably being MB last year. You have to plan for the future.

This doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what they think of Jason Cambell! You have to have a young backup at some point. Good Move.

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[quote=GMScud;304284]Umm, one of our starters has never been a starter and is coming off knee surgery (Rocky), another starter is coming off hip surgery (Marcus), and the third is 32 years old (Don't get me wrong, I think Fletch will be a beast).

Behind them, Marshall is the only player who has ever seen any real action, and he's a 32 year old converted MLB who was just not very good at all last year. Do YOU know anything about Trucks? He's an undrafted practice squad player who has never played a single down in the NFL. And then we have 5th and 6th round rookies.

That is poor depth. It just is man.[/quote]

Well I guess you can look at it how you choose. But you only need three LB's on the field. We have EIGHT!

For rotation and depth, what would you recomend geting a couple more LB's. Are LB core is good to go.

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Both LB's are ok picks. The Fox scouting says that Blades would be a liablity during passing situations, and that he has short arms. Dallas is just undersized for a guy with his frame, but still a decent pick. Still think we should have traded our picks(except #6) this draft for some more upper to mid level ones next year.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;304238]GREAT depth? You're kidding right? Aside from the starters, we have Lemar Marshall (who hurt us more than he helped us last year and turns 32 this year), Khary Campbell (never anything more than a special teamer), Anthony Trucks (WHO?), and two late round rookies who aren't even assured a roster spot ant this point. That's not "GREAT depth." That's poor depth.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Sure, it's not all pro depth...but who has that anyway? We have a decent starting 3, and we have viable depth to give them breathers. If all three starters go down, we are in serious trouble...but what team wouldn't be?
I really think this Sartz kid could be someone to steal a position away in a year. You can't count out heart! (miles and miles of heart)

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;304299]Well I guess you can look at it how you choose. But you only need three LB's on the field. We have EIGHT!

For rotation and depth, what would you recomend geting a couple more LB's. Are LB core is good to go.[/quote]

I'm not talking about quantity, I'm talking about quality. Sure we have bodies to plug in there, but none of them except Lemar Marshall have any type of experience whatsoever. If we have an injury or two at LB we could really be in trouble.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;304303]I'm not talking about quantity, I'm talking about quality. Sure we have bodies to plug in there, but none of them except Lemar Marshall have any type of experience whatsoever. If we have an injury or two at LB we could really be in trouble.[/QUOTE]

What team really could overcome 2 injuries at LB? At least we have some young talent that MIGHT just be able to show us something.

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[quote=jsarno;304316]What team really could overcome 2 injuries at LB? At least we have some young talent that MIGHT just be able to show us something.[/quote]

Exactly. I'm glad you get it, jsarno.

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our weakness in the damn dline. We have alot of age on the dline and also the oline.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;304367]Exactly. I'm glad you get it, jsarno.[/quote]

You guys are totally missing my point. We have glaringly little experience in our reserve LBs. That is my only point. I never suggested we needed more LBs or that Rocky, Marcus, or Fletcher won't be very solid. ALL I'M SAYING is there is no denying the inexperience of our backups. That is why I disagree with the notion that we have great depth.

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The one LB we picked up Sartz.....they wrote in Pro football wkly that he played many positions. I'm sure this is why they picked him up. He has played CB, LB, and Safety. I belive he is an oversized Safety or an undersized DE so I bet they use him as a DE on third downs for the rush.

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Calm down.

Since Gibbs came back we've used at least one pick on a LB in each draft, and this is the 2nd time we've taken two.

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yea they all have work out so well maybe they should try looking at the dline sometime or maybe a olineman too

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;304445]yea they all have work out so well maybe they should try looking at the dline sometime or maybe a olineman too[/quote]


i thought we drafted two dtackles last year and added a dend free agent to go along with the "aged" dl players he had in 2005 and still have now but i guess developing the youth we have is pointless...we need to make a huge splash in the draft or free agency every year otherwise the fans get anxious

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I guess you forgot they took 2 defensive lineman last year.

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[quote=Mattyk72;304466]I guess you forgot they took 2 defensive lineman last year.[/quote]

yeah all those things are very easy to forgot for some people, it seems.

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Our LB depth IMO at this point is fine. Fletch, Marshall, Washington, Rocky, Trucks?, Campbell (who I agree, even though I like him alot, will probably be a lifer ST), Sartz and Blades. Phew. Sounds like a lot. I absolutely LOVE Dallas Sartz and I think Blades is quality. Were fine in LB. We needed to address the D-line and infuse some young blood into it but, with limited picks, our options are very limited. Taking the TE and Palmer were also good picks IMO. Palmer will get better and shows lots of skill. He'll be fine as a young back-up which may be necessary cuz we ALL know that Brunell&Collins ain't gettin any younger (or better).

Bottom line: we needed more picks.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;304471]

[B] Bottom line: we needed more picks.[/B][/quote]

DING DING DING we have a winner!!! We did the best with what we had.

Hey atleast we didnt trade up for CJ.

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Man, the mass hysteria has turned into quite the comedy.

We're fine at LB. I really don't think all this injury talk is of that much importance. Are the LB's banged up? Yeah... but they're not crippled.

The off season is very long, and wounds will heal. The fact that we've been going after LB's to me implies that our defense may be changing to a 3-4, as opposed to indicating injured players.

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[quote=RobH4413;304475]
The off season is very long, and wounds will heal. The fact that we've been going after LB's to me implies that our defense may be changing to a 3-4, as opposed to indicating injured players.[/quote]

Um, I dont know about all that Rob

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I don't see a switch to a 3-4 coming. These LBs taken today will be depth and special teams.

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[quote=hooskins;304477]Um, I dont know about all that Rob[/quote]
What reason do we have to believe that they're hurt beyond reasonable repair.

We've already added Fletcher, and drafted some guys for depth. I'm not seeing any red flags from this. I'm not saying we are changing to a 3-4, I'm saying if there's something to be said about chasing after LB's, it's probably from a scheme change as opposed to injury.

Just my humble little opinion.

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I know its your opinion, and its cool. I just assumed the LB move was for depth and Special Teams.

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We're probably hoping one of these two guys work out for us to replace Fletcher when he can't continue.

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[quote=hooskins;304482]I know its your opinion, and its cool. I just assumed the LB move was for depth and Special Teams.[/quote]
Right on. Your probably right.

I'm curious to why many believe our LB's were injured. Making sure there wasn't something I didn't know.

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[quote=Daseal;304485]We're probably hoping one of these two guys work out for us to replace Fletcher when he can't continue.[/quote]

There is truth to this too. Also if I am not mistaken some say Marcus Washington will be cut in a couple years bc his contract gets crazy.

Hey thinking about the future for once might not be a bad idear.

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Im not arguing against the point anybody was trying to make...but just to let you guys know, Lemar Marshall just turned 30 in December. Therefore, he is not 32, and still should have several decent years left before he starts to decline as a result of age...if he is able to bounce back from last year

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So now that the draft is over do you think we are going to try and trade for Briggs again? Maybe giving away some of next years draft since we have all these draft picks now?

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How about giving the FO some credit for not giving up any of next years picks? Its not like this year was the ONLY year to pick up a d-lineman.....

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[quote=jsarno;304231]I don't think we're going to be as weak at LB as everyone thinks. I like this Dallas Sartz kid...not so high on the kid from Pitt though.[/quote]I think Blades will be the better pro. He doesn't have the size (and that always doesn't matter) but, he's in good hands learning by another vertically challenged MLB, Fletcher.