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My thoughts on the draft, and the upcoming season:

Here’s a slight change from the current threads passing around the warpath right now. First of all, I would like to commend the front office on a fairly solid draft considering our lack of draft picks. We also didn’t start sending picks to other places to move up for the guys we wanted. Palmer is a great pick simply because of the risk versus reward factor. He could end up being a great pickup for us. The linebackers I see as an attempt to find Fletchers eventual replacement. Plenty of time to add bulk, learn from an impressive veteran, and not be forced into the lineup. A big blocking tight end is something we’ve needed for a while. I think he might end up being a great piuck for thr 7th round. After all of that, LaRon Landry was [b]THE[/b] correct pick at the 6 spot.

Our defense hasn’t had a defensive line since Charles Mann, yet we’ve had top flight defenses many years between then and now. Williams’ scheme puts a lot of the pressure on our corners and secondary to lock up their man. This means our defensive line needs to eat blocks to let the linebackers roam free and make the big plays. That along with unpredictable blitzes from every position and angle means trouble. Last year, our starting secondary never really got on the field. Springs waited far too long to have surgery, Carlos was young and still played solid, PP went down early which I feel is what really hurt us. We couldn’t find another safety to fill in, so we were playing a scheme that was far from what G Will likes to do.

Gman, TMC, and myself may be the conductors of the Rogers train. This kid is a player. Yes, he’s cocky in his interviews. It’s part of being a cornerback, if you get beat you have to get up and say you’ll get them next time. Overall, he didn’t play that bad. He had a few bad games, but then he had a few games where he played well. All I see on this site is people constantly complaining that we don’t build through the draft, yet we don’t want to let players develop. Lets remember that Rogers was only in his 2nd year. It takes a while for players to get playing to an NFL caliber, especially corners. So either sit there and be patient with players as they develop, or shut up about building through the draft and be happy trading picks for vets.

I think the offense will be fine as long as Saunders is allowed to work with them and get everything rolling this offseason. Besides a huge hole at LG, I’m extremely happy with what we have. Moss/Lloyd/ARE/Cooley are good receivers, our line is solid, and Portis/Betts need no explanation. I’m looking forward to seeing the power run game from KC only with way more options in the passing game. In my opinion, the offense and the season hinge on Jason Campbell’s performance this year.

In closing, I’m not a very optimistic person, especially when it comes to football. Fact is, this team hasn’t shown us anything that should lead us to be optimistic. Every year we talk Super Bowl. However, I love a lot of the young players on this team and I feel our offense could be potent. This comes down to the coaching staff [b]NEVER[/b] letting a team catch up. As sad as it is, for the past few years I was happy to be behind in the 4th quarter, because it was the only time we tried to score. We need the killer instinct to succeed in this league.

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Great post Daseal. I generally agree w/ everything you said (I can't believe I'm saying that! ;) )

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Something else I'd like to add.....

Yes we didn't draft any d-lineman this year and many of us here thought that was the way to go. But in the end we came out with what many rated as the top defensive player in the draft. I'm really excited to see him and Taylor back there taking heads off.

The best part of this weekend IMO is the fact that we have all our picks in tact (barring any trades) for 08. I'm almost 100% sure that after this season, we will not be hearing the names Daniels, Griffin, Salave'a, and Wynn around here anymore. Clearly the FO is giving these guys one more chance to prove themselves and if it doesn't workout, heck we'll have 7 draft picks to find replacements.

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[quote=Daseal;304509]My thoughts on the draft, and the upcoming season:

Here’s a slight change from the current threads passing around the warpath right now. First of all, I would like to commend the front office on a fairly solid draft considering our lack of draft picks. We also didn’t start sending picks to other places to move up for the guys we wanted. Palmer is a great pick simply because of the risk versus reward factor. He could end up being a great pickup for us. The linebackers I see as an attempt to find Fletchers eventual replacement. Plenty of time to add bulk, learn from an impressive veteran, and not be forced into the lineup. A big blocking tight end is something we’ve needed for a while. I think he might end up being a great piuck for thr 7th round. After all of that, LaRon Landry was [B]THE[/B] correct pick at the 6 spot.

Our defense hasn’t had a defensive line since Charles Mann, yet we’ve had top flight defenses many years between then and now. Williams’ scheme puts a lot of the pressure on our corners and secondary to lock up their man. This means our defensive line needs to eat blocks to let the linebackers roam free and make the big plays. That along with unpredictable blitzes from every position and angle means trouble. Last year, our starting secondary never really got on the field. Springs waited far too long to have surgery, Carlos was young and still played solid, PP went down early which I feel is what really hurt us. We couldn’t find another safety to fill in, so we were playing a scheme that was far from what G Will likes to do.

Gman, TMC, and myself may be the conductors of the Rogers train. This kid is a player. Yes, he’s cocky in his interviews. It’s part of being a cornerback, if you get beat you have to get up and say you’ll get them next time. Overall, he didn’t play that bad. He had a few bad games, but then he had a few games where he played well. All I see on this site is people constantly complaining that we don’t build through the draft, yet we don’t want to let players develop. Lets remember that Rogers was only in his 2nd year. It takes a while for players to get playing to an NFL caliber, especially corners. So either sit there and be patient with players as they develop, or shut up about building through the draft and be happy trading picks for vets.

I think the offense will be fine as long as Saunders is allowed to work with them and get everything rolling this offseason. Besides a huge hole at LG, I’m extremely happy with what we have. Moss/Lloyd/ARE/Cooley are good receivers, our line is solid, and Portis/Betts need no explanation. I’m looking forward to seeing the power run game from KC only with way more options in the passing game. In my opinion, the offense and the season hinge on Jason Campbell’s performance this year.

In closing, I’m not a very optimistic person, especially when it comes to football. Fact is, this team hasn’t shown us anything that should lead us to be optimistic. Every year we talk Super Bowl. However, I love a lot of the young players on this team and I feel our offense could be potent. This comes down to the coaching staff [B]NEVER[/B] letting a team catch up. As sad as it is, for the past few years I was happy to be behind in the 4th quarter, because it was the only time we tried to score. We need the killer instinct to succeed in this league.[/quote]

Daseal - I agree with a lot of your qoute but calling Llyod a good reciever I can't go along with. Lloyd had the worst stats among all number 2 WR's in the NFL - 0 td receptions and 23 total receptions for 365 yds is terrible. And to rub salt into the wound the guy has an attitude problem - I can see a lot of WR's that have stats are hard to deal with. But Lloyd has done nothing in Washington and he did nothing in San Fran but piss off his teammates. How can you term him a good WR?

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When I was at the game, I saw Lloyd getting separation from the CBs. The fact is, you can't catch what is thrown to you. I find it interesting that Lloyd was called a character guy, nothing but supportive, etc. Then after he wears the hat that says **** in big letters on it, Gibbs yelling at him, all of a sudden he's a terrible person and player?

Chris Cooley on EITM gave the above story. I really think Lloyd will make a huge comeback. If he's going to fail, I want him to at least get a shot to catch balls. I think it was the Houston game where he caught everything thrown to him in the first quarter, which was a lot. Then we didn't look his way again.

EDIT: The **** was his hat saying the F word. F FILTERS!

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I like what you said too, although I'm not too high on Landry. I'll wait and see what he plays like before I reserve judgement. I just think that having Landry, who is similar to Taylor in the fact that he's a big hitter and a flashy guy, isn't the guy who will help Taylor back there. We need a guy to complement Taylor's attributes, not someone who plays the same as him. I could and (hopefully) will be wrong when I say that, but i'm not too high on that pick as of now.

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In my opinion, Landry will allow us to see why Williams calls Taylor "Swoop".

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[quote=Daseal;304521]When I was at the game, I saw Lloyd getting separation from the CBs. The fact is, you can't catch what is thrown to you. I find it interesting that Lloyd was called a character guy, nothing but supportive, etc. Then after he wears the hat that says **** in big letters on it, Gibbs yelling at him, all of a sudden he's a terrible person and player?

Chris Cooley on EITM gave the above story. I really think Lloyd will make a huge comeback. If he's going to fail, I want him to at least get a shot to catch balls. I think it was the Houston game where he caught everything thrown to him in the first quarter, which was a lot. Then we didn't look his way again.

EDIT: The **** was his hat saying the F word. F FILTERS![/quote]


Daseal - I remember seeing that a bunch of his teammates in San Fran could not stand the guy and he was a pain the a** and a lot of his teammates were glad to see him gone when the trade happened.

I hope the guy makes an amazing comeback next year but if he puts up those same stats I can't see the Skins retaining him. You can blame the qb, system, coaches, whatever but in order for the SKins to flourish they need somone to step up and take the pressure off of Moss.
I still don't think he is a good wr though. My term of a good wr is someone who can consistently make catches and more importantly convert 3rd downs and TD's. If he puts up similar stats next year I can't justify why the Skins would retain him.

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Down the road, we really won't be regretting the Landry pick, at all. He should become a probowler. But the issue for me is this: come 2008, we are still going to have a poor defense with should-be-retired vets mixed with rookies (hopefully). People will we wondering how we have a second year Landry and a 5th year Sean Taylor and still suck. Well, the simple answer is that our rookie DLineman will be inexperienced, and the older guys no longer serviceable. By 2009, we should be getting some decent return out of our 2008 draft class. But by then, Gibbs will be gone, and our offensive line will be really old, and likely in rebuilding.

We really needed for the short term future to get a young, talented DL like Amobi Okoye so that if this season is another sour one on D, we could use the 2nd half of the year for some on the job learning.

Lets say we have a rough first half of the year again this year. Well, now what do we do to improve our DL situation? We can't. It becomes a wasted season defensively. We have to wait a whole year until the draft again and then use 2008 to break in the rookies.

This is all moot if our defense plays well in spite of our DL again this year, because we will be able to draft DLineman next year. But if things don't go well for us, this could very well become another wasted season defensively.

And if we don't address the DL next year...then this problem amplifies exponentially.

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Lloyd was a 4th round pick who has yet to prove otherwise. I wouldn't hold out hope for a statistical maturity anytime soon, Daseal.

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Gtripp, how was our defense so good with a less talented D line in '05 and '04. It comes down to our secondary was awful last year and our d line problems were exposed more than usual. Once we get back to the usual scheme it's not a problem.

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I agree with most of what you said, but not the fact that you referred to yourself in the 3rd person in the title.

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Daseal,

I agree with most of your post. I think the verdict is still out on Brandon Loyd, but I believe he has the potential. I'm in complete agreement about Landry.

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Haha hooskin. I actually thought about what a pompous prick I sounded like! BTW Hoo, just signed a lease for a place in centreville today, maybe we can grab a drink this summer if you come back from Char.

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[quote=Daseal;304537]Haha hooskin. I actually thought about what a pompous prick I sounded like! BTW Hoo, just signed a lease for a place in centreville today, maybe we can grab a drink this summer if you come back from Char.[/quote]

Hey that is sweet man, we will for sure. Perhaps hit up training camp sometime too?

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Definitely! I love training camp!

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Perhaps we will see the emergence of the real Bruise 'Bros.

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[QUOTE=mooby;304524]I like what you said too, although I'm not too high on Landry. I'll wait and see what he plays like before I reserve judgement. I just think that having Landry, who is similar to Taylor in the fact that he's a big hitter and a flashy guy, isn't the guy who will help Taylor back there. We need a guy to complement Taylor's attributes, not someone who plays the same as him. I could and (hopefully) will be wrong when I say that, but i'm not too high on that pick as of now.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Archuleta was supposed to be the same thing for our defense but he was miserable in coverage, fitting more into a scheme where he plays in the box instead of cover 2. However, I do get the impression that Landry is more of a hybrid, a guy who excels in zone coverage, makes interceptions, and clobbers people too. His one susceptibility could be man coverage, which hopefully our safeties will not be asked to do much.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;304509]

Our defense hasn’t had a defensive line since Charles Mann, yet we’ve had top flight defenses many years between then and now. [/QUOTE]

I believe in 2000 or we had two defensive lineman (Bruce Smith and Marco Coleman) each finish with 10+ sacks. That year we also had two solid run stuffers at DT (Dan Wilkinson and Dana Stubblefield), although both were still disappointments in their overall careers here. Still that defensive line was very good.

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[quote=Daseal;304533]Gtripp, how was our defense so good with a less talented D line in '05 and '04. It comes down to our secondary was awful last year and our d line problems were exposed more than usual. Once we get back to the usual scheme it's not a problem.[/quote]Quite simply, our DL was good in 04 and 05.

We were a much better defense across the board too, it wasn't just the DL that dropped off, but the DL had the biggest and most significant dropoff of any position.

That is what happens when there is no youth around to replace the aging guys though. We should have forseen this three years in advance, but we STILL have yet to address the DL.

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I have high hopes for Lloyd in 2007, but his problems went way beyond a hat. His overall attitude changed. It's like Portis said on the John Thompson show, you keep offering to help and he keeps turning his back. At some point it's like "why even bother with him"

He has the talent, just has to get his head straight

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[quote=SmootSmack;304557]I have high hopes for Lloyd in 2007, but his problems went way beyond a hat. His overall attitude changed. It's like Portis said on the John Thompson show, you keep offering to help and he keeps turning his back. At some point it's like "why even bother with him"

He has the talent, just has to get his head straight[/quote]He's 25, going on 26.

Do you think he will ever develop both the maturity and physical consistency to make him worth keeping around?

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Seattle and Oakland got 4th rounders for their WR mistakes. Couldn't we find someone willing to take Lloyd? I agree with everything else you said though. We could answer some DL depth with UFA. Big fan of Noland Burchette from VA Tech. Needs some polishing but could be a great 3rd down rusher.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;304559]He's 25, going on 26.

Do you think he will ever develop both the maturity and physical consistency to make him worth keeping around?[/QUOTE]

I'd like to think so.

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[quote=SmootSmack;304567]I'd like to think so.[/quote]Me too.

I just don't see it. Hopefully he proves me dead wrong.

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[quote=GTripp0012;304568]Me too.

I just don't see it. Hopefully he proves me dead wrong.[/quote]
He's a child. I really hope we're wrong...

I agree with GTripp here on our DL. Yeah it's practically the same D-Line as in past years, but they're older and injury prone.

We really don't have depth at DE, and if someone goes down... we have no pressure.

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I agree. Archuleta was supposed to be the same thing for our defense but he was miserable in coverage, fitting more into a scheme where he plays in the box instead of cover 2. However, I do get the impression that Landry is more of a hybrid, a guy who excels in zone coverage, makes interceptions, and clobbers people too. His one susceptibility could be man coverage, which hopefully our safeties will not be asked to do much.


It looks like he will be much better in coverage than Archuleta. Bottom line is they took the best defensive player available when no one was calling the FO to trade up.

I agree that we need to let the young players develop their skills. You can't have it both ways.

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[quote=rypper11;304564]Seattle and Oakland got 4th rounders for their WR mistakes. Couldn't we find someone willing to take Lloyd? I agree with everything else you said though. We could answer some DL depth with UFA. Big fan of Noland Burchette from VA Tech. Needs some polishing but could be a great 3rd down rusher.[/quote]

Burchette signed with the Falcons.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;304509]Gman, TMC, and myself may be the conductors of the Rogers train. This kid is a player. Yes, he’s cocky in his interviews. It’s part of being a cornerback, if you get beat you have to get up and say you’ll get them next time. Overall, he didn’t play that bad. He had a few bad games, but then he had a few games where he played well. All I see on this site is people constantly complaining that we don’t build through the draft, yet we don’t want to let players develop. Lets remember that Rogers was only in his 2nd year. It takes a while for players to get playing to an NFL caliber, especially corners. So either sit there and be patient with players as they develop, or shut up about building through the draft and be happy trading picks for vets.[/QUOTE]

I think just about everyone is willing to give Carlos a chance to develop. Nobody's talking about trading him, releasing him, or dropping him on a deserted island left for dead.

You think he's a player. Fine. Most of us simply think he hasn't lived up to expectations. I'd say that's fair criticism for a guy selected so high.

Who knows, maybe he lights it up this year and proves all the doubters wrong. If I can speak for them, we hope you're right. But don't try to pin us down on some sort of inconsistency with building through the draft. The people who criticize Rogers aren't bitching because he wasn't a high-priced has-been. We think it's time for him to stop doing the victory dance when a receiver who has beaten him drops the ball, and maybe start catching a few interceptions here and there.

In other words, step the hell up and start playing like a #9 overall pick should play. Then there'll be more passengers on your Carlos Rogers train.

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i hope the skins got it right with Landry. i see another Sean Taylor, which means lots of big hits, and lots of receivers running open

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Guys, here is my opinion. For the first time in several year's we have had a pretty boring off-season, and I am glad for it. What makes a team go 10-6 and then 5-11 the next year? One big thing is injuries, .....another is failed experiments like Archeletta. Landry should be an improvement over Arch and if we can keep Smoot, Springs and Rogers on the field and not on the medic's bench we should be fine. We still have Andre Carter rushing the QB and I think guys like Golston will step up and see more minutes. A pass rush is important, but so are turnovers and this team should see more of those on 2007 with the team we will put on the field.

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[QUOTE=scowan;304608]Guys, here is my opinion. [B]For the first time in several year's we have had a pretty boring off-season, and I am glad for it. [/B]What makes a team go 10-6 and then 5-11 the next year? One big thing is injuries, .....another is failed experiments like Archeletta. Landry should be an improvement over Arch and if we can keep Smoot, Springs and Rogers on the field and not on the medic's bench we should be fine. We still have Andre Carter rushing the QB and I think guys like Golston will step up and see more minutes. A pass rush is important, but so are turnovers and this team should see more of those on 2007 with the team we will put on the field.[/QUOTE]

A 'boring offseason' should never include a draft devoid of selections because you've traded them all away.

The boredom should only be the result of a quiet free agency signing period.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;304567]I'd like to think so.[/QUOTE]

As an armchair Dr. Phil, it appears to me that Lloyd has problems that go beyond maturity. My suspicion is bipolarity or borderline personality disorder. Can't someone make him see a therapist?

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I'm waiting to see the (sabremetric) numbers on Carlos Rogers' 2006 season before I pass judgment on his future. We all saw the games, but there is a wide range of evaluation on his pass coverage performance. Some think he's a complete bust, others think that he showed a lot of promise last year.

Somebody is right, but I'm really not sure who.

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[QUOTE=Bill B;304514]Daseal - I agree with a lot of your qoute but calling Llyod a good reciever I can't go along with. Lloyd had the worst stats among all number 2 WR's in the NFL - 0 td receptions and 23 total receptions for 365 yds is terrible. And to rub salt into the wound the guy has an attitude problem - I can see a lot of WR's that have stats are hard to deal with. But Lloyd has done nothing in Washington and he did nothing in San Fran but piss off his teammates. How can you term him a good WR?[/QUOTE]

Who did he have throwing him the ball? Nobody in Brunell, and then a green QB in Campbell. It wasen't like he wasen't open, I was actually surprised at his ability to beat CB's deep, but he does need someone to get him the ball, hopefully that will be Campbell this season?

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Hate to be negative... But I'm thinking Carlos Rogers is a bust. Like I said in previous post I'll give him 1 more year, but for a first rounder he's a bust so far. Otherwise Smooooot wouldn't be back. What # will Smooooot be?

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[quote=Luxorreb;304690]Hate to be negative... But I'm thinking Carlos Rogers is a bust. Like I said in previous post I'll give him 1 more year, but for a first rounder he's a bust so far. Otherwise Smooooot wouldn't be back. What # will Smooooot be?[/quote]
Smoot will wear 27

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Smoot is back because in this league you need three solid corners. And we don't want to be one injury away from being totally screwed in this league.

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I like what Daseal had to say.

I'll say this from the jump, I've been more critical of Gregg Williams more than any single failure of our defense from '06. Yes, injuries played a role, and personnel too, but I think Williams did a poor job of adjusting and 'hiding' some of those deficiencies. I also lay the Dale Lindsey debacle at his feet. If the guys who are playing linebacker aren't stepping up, and you have young fresh talent waiting in the wings, at the very least, give them the opportunity to fail. Don't just stand pat with the worst defense in the NFL, no turnovers, no pass rush to speak of. Shake things up. We saw no significant playing time from Rocky until the Fat Lady had already sang.

As far as Rogers as goes, I think the critism is certainly warranted there. But to call him a total bust after two years is a bit premature I think. He was often in position, he just couldn't close the deal. I think that's more mental than than anything else. Personally, I think he'll have a chip on his shoulder this year.

All eyes will be on the Skins' secondary with three number one picks. The media will beat that horse to death.

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[quote=12thMan;304751].

As far as Rogers as goes, I think the critism is certainly warranted there. But to call him a total bust after two years is a bit premature I think. He was often in position, he just couldn't close the deal. I think that's more mental than than anything else. Personally, I think he'll have a chip on his shoulder this year.

All eyes will be on the Skins' secondary with three number one picks. The media will beat that horse to death.[/quote]
Yeah I'm not jumping on the "Rogers is a bust" bandwagon. If you watched the games, the cushion Williams had him give was un-real. He stepped up and had some really really good games last season. Albeit, he had some horrible games, but who on the defense can you say didn't? Maybe MW, but that would be it.

Everyone on that defense isn't bad.

Rogers wasn't expected to be a pro-bowler yet. He's fine.