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I was looking at our schedule, and we are playing quite a few teams who will have a nasty pass offense (ie Patriots, Eagles, Giants, Cardinals, Jets, Lions), and I began to think to myself, how will we play these teams. To me it seems as if Gregg Williams defense relies on quality coverage so that there can be alot of blitzing. But when the other team will use many multiple wide reciever sets with multiple guys who are hard to gaurd, relying on quality coverage to blitz might be tricky. Do you think that we will double up on the high quality recievers such as moss, burress, owens, fitzgerald, boldin, williams, johnson, and coles, and therefore not be able to blitz as much, or do you think that we will rely on single good coverage and expect that to work, and still blitz a whole lot. Personally, I think that Williams will try to rely on good coverage, and will not double team many players, and will still try to blitz alot. This will lead to someone getting burned more than he should be and everyone hating on him even though he has been asked to do something unreasonable by being asked to single cover a great WR almost all the time.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;309869]I was looking at our schedule, and we are playing quite a few teams who will have a nasty pass offense (ie Patriots, Eagles, Giants, Cardinals, Jets, Lions), and I began to think to myself, how will we play these teams. To me it seems as if Gregg Williams defense relies on quality coverage so that there can be alot of blitzing. But when the other team will use many multiple wide reciever sets with multiple guys who are hard to gaurd, relying on quality coverage to blitz might be tricky. Do you think that we will double up on the high quality recievers such as moss, burress, owens, fitzgerald, boldin, williams, johnson, and coles, and therefore not be able to blitz as much, or do you think that we will rely on single good coverage and expect that to work, and still blitz a whole lot. Personally, I think that Williams will try to rely on good coverage, and will not double team many players, and will still try to blitz alot. This will lead to someone getting burned more than he should be and everyone hating on him even though he has been asked to do something unreasonable by being asked to single cover a great WR almost all the time.[/quote]


we play them with our two best corners springs and smoot playing man and landry and taylor with help over the top

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out of the 6 teams you mentioned, only the pats and the cards have really good wrs.
i don't even know who the starting wrs are for the iggles.

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[quote=wolfeskins;309888]out of the 6 teams you mentioned, only the pats and the cards have really good wrs.
i don't even know who the starting wrs are for the iggles.[/quote]


kevin curtis and reggie brown ohhhhhhhhhhh i am shaking lol but if mcnabb is healthy they become average if anyone else we will win the week 2 game

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We will shut 'em down.

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all right, I guess I messed up on Philly, but I only added them cause they have such a good passing game, they had the most passing yards last season, I guess I overlooked that they dont have any stud wr's. But I do think that Det does in Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson, Dal does in TO, Terry Glenn, and Jason Witten, the Gialnts do in Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer, Jeremy Shokey, and the X-factor of steve smith and sinorice moss being good (they are undecided yet because of their age), and the Jets do in Laverneous Coles, and Jerricho Cotchery.

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get to the quarterback. thats how you stop any good offense

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If they don't match up man to man they will probubly use zone coverages as they have in the past. Either way if Taylor is aloud to roam the back field I think WR's will be a little Hesitant to go deep. We may see more offenses going 5-10 yrds all the way down the field. They may use more TE's also. Their size is a better match with Taylor.

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We MUST get a pass rush on this year!!!

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[quote=dmek25;309913]get to the quarterback. thats how you stop any good offense[/quote]


once again dmek answers the question

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I suspect that our defense is going to be vastly different this year. It sounds like Grills has trashed a bunch of stuff and implemented some new stuff. I am curious to see how closely our scheme looks to the Chicago scheme since that is reportedly where Grills is getting his inspiration.

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Keep our offense on the field and the other team can't score with the WRs on the sideline. Ball control and Long drives. Skins football

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;309879]we play them with our two best corners springs and smoot playing man and landry and taylor with help over the top[/quote]

Smoot is not one of the two best corners on the team. He may have better hands than Rogers, but he gives about the same cushion, and he's a half assed tackler.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;309869]I was looking at our schedule, and we are playing quite a few teams who will have a nasty pass offense (ie Patriots, Eagles, Giants, Cardinals, Jets, Lions), and I began to think to myself, how will we play these teams. To me it seems as if Gregg Williams defense relies on quality coverage so that there can be alot of blitzing. But when the other team will use many multiple wide reciever sets with multiple guys who are hard to gaurd, relying on quality coverage to blitz might be tricky. Do you think that we will double up on the high quality recievers such as moss, burress, owens, fitzgerald, boldin, williams, johnson, and coles, and therefore not be able to blitz as much, or do you think that we will rely on single good coverage and expect that to work, and still blitz a whole lot. Personally, I think that Williams will try to rely on good coverage, and will not double team many players, and will still try to blitz alot. This will lead to someone getting burned more than he should be and everyone hating on him even though he has been asked to do something unreasonable by being asked to single cover a great WR almost all the time.[/quote]

What re you talking about?? We have four corners on rooster that is starter, Springs, Rogers, Smoot, Macklin.. As for safety, Prio, ST, Landry, Fox, and Omar.. I think we won't have much of problem of getting burned this year like last year..

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[quote=Southpaw;310007]Smoot is not one of the two best corners on the team. He may have better hands than Rogers, but he gives about the same cushion, and he's a half assed tackler.[/quote]


but has better cover skills it seems and plays faster

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;310022]but has better cover skills it seems and plays faster[/quote]

I disagree on both counts. At best, Smoot's cover skills might be equal with Rogers. Either way, Rogers plays the run far better, and barring an injury, there's no way Smoot starts over Rogers.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;309879]we play them with our two best corners springs and smoot playing man and landry and taylor with help over the top[/quote]

Exactly... and bench Rogers.

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[quote=Southpaw;310026]I disagree on both counts. At best, Smoot's cover skills might be equal with Rogers. Either way, Rogers plays the run far better, and barring an injury, there's no way Smoot starts over Rogers.[/quote]


thats ur opinion i guess look at their first 2 seasons in the league and remember if smoot stays rogers plays for someone else

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;310040]thats ur opinion i guess look at their first 2 seasons in the league and remember [B]if smoot stays rogers plays for someone else[/B][/QUOTE]
Why would that be the case? Springs isn't getting any younger and we're going to have to replace him sooner rather than later.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;310041]Why would that be the case? Springs isn't getting any younger and we're going to have to replace him sooner rather than later.[/quote]

I'm telling you guys Rogers blows... stinks.. is a waste of money... and we should all thank God we have Springs and Smoot, and pray they stay healthy.

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[quote=hesscl34;310043]I'm telling you guys Rogers blows... stinks.. is a waste of money... and we should all thank God we have Springs and Smoot, and pray they stay healthy.[/quote]


he doesnt blow just this is make or break for him

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;310041]Why would that be the case? Springs isn't getting any younger and we're going to have to replace him sooner rather than later.[/quote]


when we drafted rogers springs was coming off a season where he lead the team in picks and sacks so then he was elite still

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[quote=hesscl34;310043]I'm telling you guys Rogers blows... stinks.. is a waste of money... and we should all thank God we have Springs and Smoot, and pray they stay healthy.[/quote]

I don't quite understand why some people have a hatred for Carlos Rogers, other than being spoiled for so many years by the likes of Darrell Green and Champ Bailey. Rogers does have some coverage issues, but I'm not so sure those issues aren't the product of the defensive scheme, rather than his actual ability. It seemed to me that last season, when Williams actually let the corners play man coverage, Rogers played pretty well. And he's also one of the better tackling corners in the league; a trait that the coaching staff is very particular about.

Smoot on the other hand, is a horrible tackler. He does have a nose for the ball, but what makes anyone think that the [I]adequite[/I] cover skills he had in his first stint in Washington, that have been almost completely absent for the last two season, will just magically come back?

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[quote=Southpaw;310050]I don't quite understand why some people have a hatred for Carlos Rogers, other than being spoiled for so many years by the likes Darrell Green and Champ Bailey. Rogers does have some coverage issues, but I'm not so sure those issues aren't the product of the defensive scheme, rather than his actual ability. It seemed to me that last season, when Williams actually let the corners play man coverage, Rogers played pretty well. And he's also one of the better tackling corners in the league; a trait that the coaching staff is very particular about.

Smoot on the other hand, is a horrible tackler. He does have a nose for the ball, but what makes anyone think that the [I]adequite[/I] cover skills he had in his first stint in Washington, that have been almost completely absent for the last two season, will just magically come back?[/quote]


dont hate carlos it is make or break

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[quote=Southpaw;310050]I don't quite understand why some people have a hatred for Carlos Rogers, other than being spoiled for so many years by the likes of Darrell Green and Champ Bailey. Rogers does have some coverage issues, but I'm not so sure those issues aren't the product of the defensive scheme, rather than his actual ability. It seemed to me that last season, when Williams actually let the corners play man coverage, Rogers played pretty well. And he's also one of the better tackling corners in the league; a trait that the coaching staff is very particular about.

Smoot on the other hand, is a horrible tackler. He does have a nose for the ball, but what makes anyone think that the [I]adequite[/I] cover skills he had in his first stint in Washington, that have been almost completely absent for the last two season, will just magically come back?[/quote]

For the life of me I can't figure all the dump Carlos, trade Carlos, bench him? It's craziness.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;309869]I was looking at our schedule, and we are playing quite a few teams who will have a nasty pass offense (ie Patriots, Eagles, Giants, Cardinals, Jets, Lions), and I began to think to myself, how will we play these teams. To me it seems as if Gregg Williams defense relies on quality coverage so that there can be alot of blitzing. But when the other team will use many multiple wide reciever sets with multiple guys who are hard to gaurd, relying on quality coverage to blitz might be tricky. Do you think that we will double up on the high quality recievers such as moss, burress, owens, fitzgerald, boldin, williams, johnson, and coles, and therefore not be able to blitz as much, or do you think that we will rely on single good coverage and expect that to work, and still blitz a whole lot. Personally, I think that Williams will try to rely on good coverage, and will not double team many players, and will still try to blitz alot. This will lead to someone getting burned more than he should be and everyone hating on him even though he has been asked to do something unreasonable by being asked to single cover a great WR almost all the time.[/quote]Last year, we performed very well vs. number one receivers, even with our injuries in the secondary. We will not struggle this year against No. 1s.

Now against No. 2 and slot receivers (and TEs and backs and just about everyone else), we got absolutely murdered. I wouldn't expect much change in this, except that better LB coverage should take away some of the underneath flat stuff.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;310051]dont hate carlos it is make or break[/quote]This is pretty much dead on.

We know the guy can play the run among the best in the league. He's just got to show that he can cover with a degree of NFL competancy in his third year. If he can do this, he can be a very valuable 2nd CB for us for 10 years.

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Rogers looked like he was moping half the year, like something was wrong & he pouted about it. athletically he can be a top 10 corner in the nfl, he's looked quite good at times.

I'm willing to give him a pass for a bad year, since ALL of the D was so out of synch.

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I seem to remember Gibbs saying that Carlos played a good portion of last season with a broken hand (or at least broke it and came back asap to try and help the team) - as can be seen from examples like TO, a hand injury can cause havoc when trying to catch the ball (possibly causing many of his drops) - plus CBs have been described as WRs would can't catch so add a hand injury to that and its not suprising all the drops.

I reckon Carlos starts in our 3-5-6-9 defensive backfield (Springs 3rd overall, Tayor 5th, Landry 6th, Rogers 9th) and Smoot coming off the bench but playing substantial minutes allowing us to keep our top 2 CBs fresh due to a rotation.

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With our CB tandem, and our Safety tandem....NO PROBLEM!

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Detroit has never had a really decent o line so just a decent pass rush combined with zone pass defense will do the trick against them. We really don't have to sack Kitna often or at all just get him off his rhythm. Detroit was great at getting to the redzone, but not good at getting into the endzone. That being said I do hope that Williams really gives the young D linemen a good shot at starting. It is the best shot at actually having a disruptive pass rush.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;310091]Detroit has never had a really decent o line so just a decent pass rush combined with zone pass defense will do the trick against them. We really don't have to sack Kitna often or at all just get him off his rhythm. Detroit was great at getting to the redzone, but not good at getting into the endzone. That being said I do hope that Williams really gives the young D linemen a good shot at starting. It is the best shot at actually having a disruptive pass rush.[/QUOTE]

Plus as great as Calvin Johnson could be, and a great of a talent as he is, I remember alot of people saying the same things about Mike Williams (myself included) as they are saying about CJ. I think CJ will be fine, but we need to wait and see... he will still be a rookie so theres no gaurantee he will make a big enough impact in that game to be the difference. Quite frankly, if he is the sole reason the Lions beat us....were probaboly not in the mist of a very good season anyways.

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I look at it this way, everyone is worried about how we are going to defense potent passing offenses, but not I. I ask how they are going to handle a defense that can lock down the number one offense of a year ago when healthy. Washington at New Orleans. That was one of the few games that Springs actually played in, and Carlos Rogers had an intercecption in. Throw Smoot into the mix and with with our safety's we should be pretty stout against the pass.

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dont we have macklin too?

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[quote=angryssg;310164]I look at it this way, everyone is worried about how we are going to defense potent passing offenses, but not I. I ask how they are going to handle a defense that can lock down the number one offense of a year ago when healthy. Washington at New Orleans. That was one of the few games that Springs actually played in, and Carlos Rogers had an intercecption in. Throw Smoot into the mix and with with our safety's we should be pretty stout against the pass.[/quote]

Yeah, too bad teams will be running all over us though.

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[quote=WillH;310184]dont we have macklin too?[/quote]


yes we do

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[quote=4mrusmc;311097]Yeah, too bad teams will be running all over us though.[/quote]


dont see that happening