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I don't know about everyone here, but I feel really go about this team and the offseason. Everyone is in camp or coming soon. We added some key pieces, we definitely are better than last year. Everyone seems to be getting healthy.

And the MOST IMPORTANT THING. Everybody has a chip on their shoulder. NOBODY is predicting we do anything this year, everyone says we stink, everyone's unhappy, blah, blah, blah. If there is one thing I know about the Redskins is they play better when there is minimal change and nobody gives them a chance. Just look at thier history.

I have faith this team will be really good this year.

Remember even though we may get upset at things, Gibbs KNOWS what he is doing, WILLIAMS knows what he is doing. This team is going to be real good this year.

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Source?

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the source is skinsfan242. but i hear what he is saying. if last season wasn't enough to embarrass everyone in the skins organization, from top to bottom, then i don't think anything can motivate these guys

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I heard Sean Salisbury on his bush league radio show today saying "the Redskins always find a way to underachieve, so count them out." What a chump, I'm still waiting for that rank hank to walk to Washington D.C. I sent several emails to ESPN asking for an update on the situation over the years. Sadly, they never responded. That's how they treat their insider subscribers I guess.

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djnemo, as much as I hope he's wrong this year, our past does nothing but vindicate that statement by Salisbury.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;311518]djnemo, as much as I hope he's wrong this year, our past does nothing but vindicate that statement by Salisbury.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure we have underachieved as much as we have been overrated. If you look back on the talent we had during the Spurrier years we really weren't that good. We had a few big names but too many holes on both sides of the ball. The same was true of Gibbs' first year. Last year was pretty crushing but I still think it was a question of talent, as Williams' schemes were no longer able to mask our dearth of quality dline and secondary depth.

But I wouldn't be as bothered if he hadn't promised to walk to Washington DC from Connecticut if the Skins made the playoffs, only to wimp out of the deal like a whiny little weasel. Given that, I think he should back off bashing the Skins.

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Our season boils down to the following major factors that will contribute to a playoff run:

1. Improvement of JC over last season(is he a legitimate QB or was his success at Auburn due to the ungodly HB tandem he had behind him?)

2. Can the D line and the LB corp give us a great pass rush? Sure Landry can help, but we need the linemen to make a big impact for us.

3. Better numbers from our vaunted WR corp. All we have is Moss still. Randle El did some nice things for us, but in my opinion had some lame stats. Don't have to mention Lloyd's crappy season. When your main aerial threat is only Moss, your TE and RB's you are in trouble.

If our aerial game is as lame as it was last season, with JC startingthe entire year, we will suck. Not only will we suck, but we might have a major QB problem on our hands. I wonder if we are looking at keeping Palmer at all?

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Another problem everyone is overlooking is the team chemistry aspect of it. Can you get 43 guys to gel and come together to act as two cohesive units(offens and defense) We have gobs of talent on offense, but they stink, with the execption of our runnning game. We have a potential disaster with 3 star WR's who will want the ball often, etc. I remember poor Dante Culpepper in the early days at Minnesota, having Chris Carter and Moss bitching at him often. I mean look at the Norv teams of the mid 90's. All we had really was Ken Harvey and Darrell Green. Big Daddy and Stubblefield were OK for like 2 s easons, but then faded. We had Gus, Westbrook, Connell, and an old Terry Allen, on offense. Those guys were not as talented as this crew, but did perform much better. How many 300 yard games did Ramsey, Brunell, or even JC have? Gus had plenty, especially against the Cards, and didn't have the tools like MB or JC have now at their disposal. Could you imagine what Gus would have done if he had Santana, Cooley, and Randle El? We would have made the playoffs for a few more years under Norv for sure.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;311543]Another problem everyone is overlooking is the team chemistry aspect of it. Can you get 43 guys to gel and come together to act as two cohesive units(offens and defense) We have gobs of talent on offense, but they stink, with the execption of our runnning game. We have a potential disaster with 3 star WR's who will want the ball often, etc. I remember poor Dante Culpepper in the early days at Minnesota, having Chris Carter and Moss bitching at him often. I mean look at the Norv teams of the mid 90's. All we had really was Ken Harvey and Darrell Green. Big Daddy and Stubblefield were OK for like 2 s easons, but then faded. We had Gus, Westbrook, Connell, and an old Terry Allen, on offense. Those guys were not as talented as this crew, but did perform much better. How many 300 yard games did Ramsey, Brunell, or even JC have? Gus had plenty, especially against the Cards, and didn't have the tools like MB or JC have now at their disposal. Could you imagine what Gus would have done if he had Santana, Cooley, and Randle El? We would have made the playoffs for a few more years under Norv for sure.[/QUOTE]

This is a joke right?

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[quote=djnemo65;311544]This is a joke right?[/quote]


it had to be.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;311543]snip...How many 300 yard games did Ramsey, Brunell, or even JC have? Gus had [B]plenty[/B], especially against the Cards, and didn't have the tools like MB or JC have now at their disposal. snip...[/quote]

plenty = 1? just sayin..

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[quote=dmek25;311492]the source is skinsfan242. but i hear what he is saying. if last season wasn't enough to embarrass everyone in the skins organization, from top to bottom, then i don't think anything can motivate these guys[/quote]


you are pretty much right on with that dmek

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[quote=GusFrerotte;311543]Another problem everyone is overlooking is the team chemistry aspect of it. Can you get 43 guys to gel and come together to act as two cohesive units(offens and defense) We have gobs of talent on offense, but they stink, with the execption of our runnning game. We have a potential disaster with 3 star WR's who will want the ball often, etc. I remember poor Dante Culpepper in the early days at Minnesota, having Chris Carter and Moss bitching at him often. I mean look at the Norv teams of the mid 90's. All we had really was Ken Harvey and Darrell Green. Big Daddy and Stubblefield were OK for like 2 s easons, but then faded. We had Gus, Westbrook, Connell, and an old Terry Allen, on offense. Those guys were not as talented as this crew, but did perform much better. How many 300 yard games did Ramsey, Brunell, or even JC have? Gus had plenty, especially against the Cards, and didn't have the tools like MB or JC have now at their disposal. Could you imagine what Gus would have done if he had Santana, Cooley, and Randle El? We would have made the playoffs for a few more years under Norv for sure.[/quote]


it is 22 guys play offense and defense and the team has 53 total and what are you talking about how many playoff games did gus ferotte win for us

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I think it's a given that our season pretty much hinges on JC's success. Unless he completely falls apart, which I don't see happening, there's no major QB crisis in sight for the Redskins. If JC stays healthy, we're set for a long time. Plain and simple.

This kid, essentially, jumped from third string to starting last year and was more than decent on numerous occasions. And by all account so far this year, he has his eye on the prize.

While I'm at, I might as well go on the record and say I think the Skins will go no less than 10-6 this year, 11-5 is within reach.

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[quote=12thMan;311561]I think it's a given that our season pretty much hinges on JC's success. Unless he completely falls apart, which I don't see happening, there's no major QB crisis in sight for the Redskins. If JC stays healthy, we're set for a long time. Plain and simple.

This kid, essentially, jumped from third string to starting last year and was more than decent on numerous occasions. And by all account so far this year, he has his eye on the prize.

While I'm at, I might as well go on the record and say I think the Skins will go no less than 10-6 this year, 11-5 is within reach.[/quote]


i think a 12-4 season is in sight and if we can beat new england and get at least one against philly and sweep dallas i see no reason we cant get a 13-3 maybe

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when is the last time this team overachieved?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;311566]i think a 12-4 season is in sight and if we can beat new england and get at least one against philly and sweep dallas i see no reason we cant get a 13-3 maybe[/quote]
Yeah, and if we can just win every game, i see no reason why we cant go 16-0

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[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;311569]when is the last time this team overachieved?[/QUOTE]

2005 most were predicting us at 4-12, 5-11 right?

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One bad season does a lot to a fan's psyche.

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Salisbury is still a tool for his trash talking during the 2005 season. He couldn't even man up and follow through with his naked walk from NY to DC. What a loser.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;311572]Yeah, and if we can just win every game, i see no reason why we cant go 16-0[/quote]


ok dont be a jerk lol j/k but if we win every game why cant we go 16-0

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;311623]ok dont be a jerk lol j/k but if we win every game why cant we go 16-0[/quote]

Quake....come one. If we win EVERY game why can't we go 16-0? I think if we do win every game, we will...........get in the game man!

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Gus Frerotte didn't win jack in terms of playoff games for us, but then again he didn't have the collective talent like Brunell or JC had/has now did he? Brunell/JC had/has Santana Moss, Brandon Llyod, Randle, El, Cooley, Patten, etc to throw to. Gus only had Westbrook, Connell, and Leslie Shephard. Gus had a cannon of an arm. I much rather have Gus Frerotte of 95-96' than what we had in MB the past few years. THe team chemistry thing was just about saying maybe we are so loaded at skilled positions that egos might have taken over and messed the team up. Maybe this stuff about how great it is in the clubhouse is all spin. Just a thought. I mean what else can explain why a team that on paper looks rather formidable, perfrom so poorly? Has to be more than one factor is my point about everything. And Gus did throw for 300+ yards more than once, a few times if I am not mistaken, but I know it is more than once.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;311631]Gus Frerotte didn't win jack in terms of playoff games for us, but then again he didn't have the collective talent like Brunell or JC had/has now did he? Brunell/JC had/has Santana Moss, Brandon Llyod, Randle, El, Cooley, Patten, etc to throw to. Gus only had Westbrook, Connell, and Leslie Shephard. Gus had a cannon of an arm. I much rather have Gus Frerotte of 95-96' than what we had in MB the past few years. THe team chemistry thing was just about saying maybe we are so loaded at skilled positions that egos might have taken over and messed the team up. Maybe this stuff about how great it is in the clubhouse is all spin. Just a thought. I mean what else can explain why a team that on paper looks rather formidable, perfrom so poorly? Has to be more than one factor is my point about everything. And Gus did throw for 300+ yards more than once, a few times if I am not mistaken, but I know it is more than once.[/quote]


Of course he didn't becauce he sucked! Your trying to compare an orange to a watermellon.

I would take MB 10 YEARS AGO over get off the bus gus any day off the week! MB is much older than gus was, he was suposed to be in his prime.....NEVER HAPPENED. Can't think of a dumber QB in our history, that was dumb enough to get a concusion by slamming his OWN HEAD INTO THE GOAL POST?

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[quote=Daseal;311518]djnemo, as much as I hope he's wrong this year, our past does nothing but vindicate that statement by Salisbury.[/quote]

I'm not sure he's qualified to make any statement regarding success in the NFL, as he never had any. It's hard to lead your team to victory.......from the bench. Right Sean???????????

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;311629]Quake....come one. If we win EVERY game why can't we go 16-0? I think if we do win every game, we will...........get in the game man![/quote]


he said that first i was just repeating him

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;311633]Of course he didn't becauce he sucked! Your trying to compare an orange to a watermellon.

I would take MB 10 YEARS AGO over get off the bus gus any day off the week! MB is much older than gus was, he was suposed to be in his prime.....NEVER HAPPENED. Can't think of a dumber QB in our history, that was dumb enough to get a concusion by slamming his OWN HEAD INTO THE GOAL POST?[/quote]

Well, it was actually the wall behind the endzone, but it might as well have been the goal post.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;311572]Yeah, and if we can just win every game, i see no reason why we cant go 16-0[/quote]


Thats some funny sh--.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;311572]Yeah, and if we can just win every game, i see no reason why we cant go 16-0[/quote]


dont you just love the sarcasm of the warpath

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Skinnsfann242, i have a very simular feeling about this year. I think things could really take off. I want to see what G. Williams is gonna do now that he was called out in the Tom Friend artical - that is is he going to step up and not play politics and he going to pay more respect to the players on his defence. I think i might be more worried about our o line then our d line because if Smauals gets hurt we could be in a very very bad spot. But overall i think everything is in lined up well to really take off. (Just wish we had Ramsey to play back up)

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...he sounds like I did last year about this time.. GO SKINS!

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gus frerotte was, and still is, an awful NFL QB. Point in fact: Look at what's he's done since he left DC. Nada. Sorry Gus - sometimes the truth hurts.

Here's the real deal: We aren't that bad, but everyone in the NFL is that good. Two or three plays can decide two or three games and those games will determine if you're 6-10 or 9-7 with a chance to go to playoffs. If anything's changed since Gibbs v 1.0 it's parity in the NFL. So, we have as good a chance as anyone else to be successful this year. Anyone who tells you they KNOW otherwise (insert sean salisbury...) is just full of crap.

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Honestly, if you're not as good as everyone else, that makes you that bad unfortunately.

The good news with this is: I think we'll be a wildcard 8-8, 9-7 team.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;311768]Honestly, if you're not as good as everyone else, that makes you that bad unfortunately.

The good news with this is: I think we'll be a wildcard 8-8, 9-7 team.[/quote]


i see 11-5 or 12-4 maybe if we are lucky 13-3