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Bush is currently denouncing Iran for detaining five people without charges. The guy's a moronic laugh riot! Of course, he would never do such an un-American thing to innocent people. Ooops. My bad!
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Can't wait to see how quickly this thread spirals down into hell

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This is retarded.

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For those of you who didn't learn it in middle school, impeachment is a tag only used in the ruling of criminial cases against the president. That means he actually has to do something against the law. Gross incompetance is not against the law (as this thread will soon prove).

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It's easy to blame everything on the president but the fact of the matter is the people elected him and the people elected members of congress who are suppose to have oversight. Frankly, the people in congress who vote for his proposals worry me more than anything else. And of course who can forget the American people. There are a lot of Americans out there that scare the hell out of me.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;313787]For those of you who didn't learn it in middle school, impeachment is a tag only used in the ruling of criminial cases against the president. That means he actually has to do something against the law. Gross incompetance is not against the law (as this thread will soon prove).[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that starting a war over a lie IS against the law, though. But...I could be wrong.

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The Democrats could end this war tomorrow by cutting off the money. They won't, though, because it's good politics for them. They need the war to go on through next fall. They won't impeach the President for the same reason. Their plan is to keep the current political atmosphere, which is toxic for Republicans, frozen in place until they can get a Democratic President elected. At that point Iraq will drop off the media radar regardless of the situation on the ground and we will get their full on domestic agenda shoved down our throats. We are moving into an activist, Liberal cycle after thirty years of conservative domination. If I weren't such an optimist I would say that it will be difficult for the country to survive this. Turning and turning in the widening gyre..

Oh yeah, I meant to address Gtripp's post. An impeachable offense is whatever the house says it is. There is only the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" which is subjective. One of the impeachment articles against Nixon was over his bombing of Cambodia which may have been morally wrong but was not a crime in any meaningful sense of the word. It was impeachable because it got enough votes.

Also for those who are too young to remember the last impeachment extraveganza, "impeachment" refers to the formal charges brought to the floor of the house by the judiciary committee and passed by simple majority vote. It's like an indictment. Removal from office is a seprate proceeding that takes place after a trial in the Senate and requires a two-thirds majority. Often people say impeachment when they mean removal. Three Presidents have been impeached. None has ever been removed, although surely Nixon would have been. Johnson, Andrew was "acquitted" by one vote if memory serves. My point is, it's alot easier just to wait for the next election which is how the founders wanted it.

Now that I think about it, I believe that the Judiciary Committe voted articles of impeachment against Nixon but I don't know that the full house had the chance, so I suppose you could say that Nixon was not truly impeached. Maybe someone else here knows.

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I have read every post and have a little to say about everything.
Crazyhorse, why is it silly for Bush to denounce Iran?
Smootsmack, I agree.
Robbh4413, I second that.
Gtripp, you're onto something.
Sadden you are correct, but should have elaborated a little bit more.
Dblanche66, wars have been started over many stupid things throughout the years. The Cold war was a competition between Capitalism and Communism. The crusades were over religion and possible riches.
70chip, the only thing that the democrats would end by cutting off the money is the lives of those servicesmembers who would still be stuck over there. Now they would be there without food, and ammunition. So they will continue supporting it financially not because of the political aspect, but because of the threat of iminent danger to American lives without funding.

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i think Bush is a moron. and very incompetent. with that out of the way, the sad thing about this administration is i really think that they think they are doing the right things for our country. the democrats cried and cried about all the changes that would take place if they took control of Congress. what has changed? little to nothing. it would be political suicide to cut of the funding.

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I think what crazyhorse was referring to was the laughable hypocrisy this brings. We're allowed to hold all sorts of people without charges then get upset when someone does it to us? Sorry, doesn't work like that. If we don't play by the rules we shouldn't expect other countries to do it for us.

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FCK IRAN! THIS IS THE DUMBEST THREAD I'VE EVER POSTED ON! I'm sure if you don't like what the PRESIDENT is doing with those TARDS in iran, they've got plenty of room for you.

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[quote=SmootSmack;313783]Can't wait to see how quickly this thread spirals down into hell[/quote]
Well.....:

FCK IRAN! THIS IS THE DUMBEST THREAD I'VE EVER POSTED ON! I'm sure if you don't like what the PRESIDENT is doing with those TARDS in iran, they've got plenty of room for you.
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Keepin The Faith.....HAIL!

I guess it didn't take all that long.... The question now Smoot, is how deep the spiral will be?

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This isn't going to last very long...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;313807]This isn't going to last very long...[/quote]It will if we hijack this bitch. Any ideas?

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[quote=Daseal;313798]I think what crazyhorse was referring to was the laughable hypocrisy this brings. We're allowed to hold all sorts of people without charges then get upset when someone does it to us? Sorry, doesn't work like that. If we don't play by the rules we shouldn't expect other countries to do it for us.[/quote]

Exactly, I think he was simply pointing out the hypocrisy within the administration.

That being said, there is talk the Chair of House Judiciary Committee is going to start stirring a debate, more or less, to impeach Bush.

I highly doubt that it will get off the ground, however.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;313782]Bush is currently denouncing Iran for detaining five people without charges. The guy's a moronic laugh riot! Of course, he would never do such an un-American thing to innocent people. Ooops. My bad!
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So I guess your saying that the people we are holding that were fighting for the taliban are innocent people? I have not heard about what your posting about so maybe you should have added a link.

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[quote=70Chip;313790]The Democrats could end this war tomorrow by cutting off the money. They won't, though, because it's good politics for them. They need the war to go on through next fall. They won't impeach the President for the same reason. Their plan is to keep the current political atmosphere, which is toxic for Republicans, frozen in place until they can get a Democratic President elected. At that point Iraq will drop off the media radar regardless of the situation on the ground and we will get their full on domestic agenda shoved down our throats. We are moving into an activist, Liberal cycle after thirty years of conservative domination. If I weren't such an optimist I would say that it will be difficult for the country to survive this. Turning and turning in the widening gyre..

Oh yeah, I meant to address Gtripp's post. An impeachable offense is whatever the house says it is. There is only the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" which is subjective. One of the impeachment articles against Nixon was over his bombing of Cambodia which may have been morally wrong but was not a crime in any meaningful sense of the word. It was impeachable because it got enough votes.

Also for those who are too young to remember the last impeachment extraveganza, "impeachment" refers to the formal charges brought to the floor of the house by the judiciary committee and passed by simple majority vote. It's like an indictment. Removal from office is a seprate proceeding that takes place after a trial in the Senate and requires a two-thirds majority. Often people say impeachment when they mean removal. Three Presidents have been impeached. None has ever been removed, although surely Nixon would have been. Johnson, Andrew was "acquitted" by one vote if memory serves. My point is, it's alot easier just to wait for the next election which is how the founders wanted it.

Now that I think about it, I believe that the Judiciary Committe voted articles of impeachment against Nixon but I don't know that the full house had the chance, so I suppose you could say that Nixon was not truly impeached. Maybe someone else here knows.[/quote]


I believe Nixon indeed resigned before the Senate took the case to trial. Later Ford granted a full pardon of said crimes committed by Nixon.

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[quote=70Chip;313790]The Democrats could end this war tomorrow by cutting off the money. They won't, though, because it's good politics for them. They need the war to go on through next fall. They won't impeach the President for the same reason. Their plan is to keep the current political atmosphere, which is toxic for Republicans, frozen in place until they can get a Democratic President elected. At that point Iraq will drop off the media radar regardless of the situation on the ground and we will get their full on domestic agenda shoved down our throats. We are moving into an activist, Liberal cycle after thirty years of conservative domination. If I weren't such an optimist I would say that it will be difficult for the country to survive this. Turning and turning in the widening gyre..

Oh yeah, I meant to address Gtripp's post. An impeachable offense is whatever the house says it is. There is only the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" which is subjective. One of the impeachment articles against Nixon was over his bombing of Cambodia which may have been morally wrong but was not a crime in any meaningful sense of the word. It was impeachable because it got enough votes.

Also for those who are too young to remember the last impeachment extraveganza, "impeachment" refers to the formal charges brought to the floor of the house by the judiciary committee and passed by simple majority vote. It's like an indictment. Removal from office is a seprate proceeding that takes place after a trial in the Senate and requires a two-thirds majority. Often people say impeachment when they mean removal. Three Presidents have been impeached. None has ever been removed, although surely Nixon would have been. Johnson, Andrew was "acquitted" by one vote if memory serves. My point is, it's alot easier just to wait for the next election which is how the founders wanted it.

Now that I think about it, I believe that the Judiciary Committe voted articles of impeachment against Nixon but I don't know that the full house had the chance, so I suppose you could say that Nixon was not truly impeached. Maybe someone else here knows.[/quote]
Only two presidents have been impeached Bill Clinton and Andrew. Nixon steped down which stopped the impeachment process.

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[quote=firstdown;313843]Bill Clinton was impeached.[/quote]

No, they tried to impeach him but didn't get the votes.

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Clinton was impeached by the House but was acquitted by the Senate.

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What's interesting is, depending on what slant you hear or read, people will lead you to believe that he was actually impeached.

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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#History]Impeachment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[QUOTE]Actual impeachments of only the following seventeen federal officers have taken place:

Two presidents: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, both acquitted.
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In addition, Richard Nixon decided to resign in the face of the near certainty of both his impeachment, which had already been approved by the House Judiciary Committee, and the apparent likelihood of his conviction by the Senate.[/QUOTE]

Just remember, Wikipedia isn't always the most accurate.

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[quote=RobH4413;313784]This is retarded.[/quote]


well his name is crazy horse

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Oh boy... I'm outta here!

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all that being said...Ron Paul '08!

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[quote=dblanch66;313856]all that being said...Ron Paul '08![/quote]

who in the hell is ron paul?

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[quote=12thMan;313849]What's interesting is, depending on what slant you hear or read, people will lead you to believe that he was actually impeached.[/quote]
Yes he was impeached.

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[quote=firstdown;313858]Yes he was impeached.[/quote]

But is it technically considered impeachment if Congress passed the vote but not the Senate?

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[quote=12thMan;313861]But is it technically considered impeachment if Congress passed the vote but not the Senate?[/quote]
[url=http://www.infoplease.com/spot/impeach.html]Impeachment History[/url]
Yes, and it was the same thing in Andrew's case. Nixon just left before anything started.

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[quote=firstdown;313862][URL="http://www.infoplease.com/spot/impeach.html"]Impeachment History[/URL]
Yes, and it was the same thing in Andrew's case. Nixon just left before anything started.[/quote]

I was actually looking at that same link myself.

I guess what I'm [I]really [/I]asking is, since the "impeachment" process didn't get approved in both chambers, is it historically correct to say Clinton was impeached?

Furthermore will historians consider Bill Clinton an impeached President or is it a matter of interpreting the Constitution?

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Looking back what a freaking debacle that Clinton thing was. I can't imagine the amount of money that was wasted on that which hunt, errrrrrrrrr I mean investigation.

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[quote=12thMan;313864]I was actually looking at that same link myself.

I guess what I'm [I]really [/I]asking is, since the "impeachment" process didn't get approved in both chambers, is it historically correct to say Clinton was impeached?

Furthermore will historians consider Bill Clinton an impeached President or is it a matter of interpreting the Constitution?[/quote]
Everything that I have ever seen both left and right do say that he was impeached and with them listing Andrew Johnson with him would support the fact. Andrew Johnson had the same deal with the senate not voting to impeach him but who knows.

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[quote=Mattyk72;313865]Looking back what a freaking debacle that Clinton thing was. I can't imagine the amount of money that was wasted on that which hunt, errrrrrrrrr I mean investigation.[/quote]I agree a lot of money was spent on the investigation but how many people ended up in jail? This is the same goverment that some want to run our health care.

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Impeached means he was charged by the House. Impeachment has nothing to do with whether the person charged is found guilty. So yes Clinton WAS impeachedecause he was charged by the House.

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Thread hell.

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I think it all depends on what the definition of [I]'is'[/I] is...

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[quote=SmootSmack;313783]Can't wait to see how quickly this thread spirals down into hell[/quote]

Haha that is exactly what I was thinking. I agree with the thread though. He has a strong track list of lying to the American public, etc which is much worst than anything Clinton did. He is costing us Americans lives. I dont really wanna debate this, not because I cant or that I am not interested, but simply because whoever I argue with is just going to get upset and start attacking me. So please dont reply to this post expecting a response from me.

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[quote=hooskins;313887]Haha that is exactly what I was thinking. I agree with the thread though. He has a strong track list of lying to the American public, etc which is much worst than anything Clinton did. He is costing us Americans lives. I dont really wanna debate this, not because I cant or that I am not interested, but simply because whoever I argue with is just going to get upset and start attacking me. So please dont reply to this post expecting a response from me.[/quote]
So I guess you just want to make a blanket statement "track list of lying to the American public" and not tell use what all these lies are then, OK.

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[quote=firstdown;313905]So I guess you just want to make a blanket statement "track list of lying to the American public" and not tell use what all these lies are then, OK.[/quote]

No actually I really can, but it isn't worth my time and effort.

If you want a good one, we can start with Iraq. There was clear evidence that Bin Laden had no connection to Iraq at all. And from day one(9/11) Bush had asked several of his advisors if Hussen was somehow linked to 9/11, clearly showing a predisposition towards the Iraq issue. There were numerous times he was presented with information, that indicated Iraq had no connection with 9/11 or nuclear weapons, but those seemed to be ignored.

Dont get me wrong, I think Bush did a great job in the wake of 9/11 and Afghanistan. He was put in a terrible situation, and dealt with it well. But beyond that is where the spiral downwards begins.

I can get links for Iraqi thing, that will confirm my point if you want.

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Those lies about Iraq have cost us lives. Did Clinton cost us lives by getting head? I don't think so.