How do you think we size up against the FINS week 1, with Trent at QB
 

Well now that the QB picture is clear in Miami, our old fo Trent at the helm, how do you think we size up against the Fins for week one?

We know they have a good defense. With our EX SKIN QB's veteran leadership it could be just what they need to be a much improved team.

They still lack high caliber talent on the offensive side of the ball. There veteran WR's are Marty Booker & Chambers, & Rookie, Ginn. There RB tandem is weak with Chatman & Brown as there top two RB's. There O-line is decent at best.

I'm glad we are starting out the season against this team at home, I believe the 12th man will be just what the Dr. ordered for Trent & Co.

I believe we WILL WIN this game at home, but it will be a hard fought tight game.

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Mike, ready for that opening game? sounds like it, I know I am.

I think it will be a tough game, but I do believe we'll win & I really feel that Gibbs will hammer it into the team's head that they can't start off the year like last year in Minn.

I would be pleasantly surpised if our O is hitting on all cylinders in week 1, but I do expect it to be pretty sharp. I think we will eventually wear them down & their O isn't good enough to dominate the clock.

The dolphins are one of those teams that might totally suck, or they could be 9-7 at best IMO.

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I think alot more wil depend on our development, in particular Jason Campbell. The offense and Jason are such a huge wild card in how well we do next year alot will depend on his play.
With the affordable but yet decent additions to our defense through the draft and FA, I have confidance Williams will turn the defense around. He has the right pesonel this time. The corners and safety we picked up are going to make a huge difference.
The time it takes the offense to hit all cylinders will be the key. Will it be ready for game 1 or game 5; that will tell it all.

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To be completely honest, right now I think it will be a defenive struggle drag out game. Trent Green although he is a very old guy according to NFL aging, he is still a very accurate quarterback who gets the job done and still makes mistakes. Also, Jason Campbell even though he has started 7 games in the NFL has not started a season as the unquestioned starter, although he really showed some flashes of excellence he has not started a season opener (butterflies all over again) and that might cause him to be too erratic and make some unneccessary pass that could end up being turnovers. Not to mention he has not face a defense this good before. (The Eagles are good yes but the Dolphins are alot more consistent and better.) So to be honest the game rests on four very important aspects:

1. Can Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts keep their defense off balance with the running game?

2. Will Jason Campbell ignore the butterflies, not get happy feet in the pocket, and not try to do too much?

3. Can our run defense show that 2006 was a fluke and that we are better than that and shut down Ronnie Brown? (Who to this point hasnt shown alot to be worthy of a second overall pick but has showed enough to be seriously accounted for.)

4. Can our Defense not give Trent Green enough time to pick us apart like most QB's did last year? Because we know if he has the time that he needs it will be a long day for us.

But, I see the game being decided on a defensive play in the 4th quarter like a fumble recovery or an interception that goes on into the endzone.

Redskins 24
Dolphins 17

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No way 37 year old Trent Green comes into Fed Ex and beats us. Miami may have a decent defense, but they stink on offense. Wash 20 Miami 10.

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[quote=skinsfan69;316718]No way 37 year old Trent Green comes into Fed Ex and beats us. Miami may have a decent defense, but they stink on offense. Wash 20 Miami 10.[/quote]


Let's not forget we said the exact same thing about Brad Johnson and the Vikings last year. If we have laerned anything over the past couple of years is don't underestimate anyone

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316719]Let's not forget we said the exact same thing about Brad Johnson and the Vikings last year. If we have laerned anything over the past couple of years is don't underestimate anyone[/quote]


This is very true quake! And by the way who the hell typed all that shit up for you......on your last post....I'm in shock, never seen so many words put together....by you? WELL DONE, SIR QUACK. :)

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;316721]This is very true quake! And by the way who the hell typed all that shit up for you......on your last post....I'm in shock, never seen so many words put together....by you? WELL DONE, SIR QUACK. :)[/quote]


It was me. I am just ready to add meaningful analysis to the board

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316722]It was me. I am just ready to add meaningful analysis to the board[/quote]


KUDOS! On to week one I really think Trent will be the BEST QB they have had in some time. Could care less about his age, the guy still has game, something they have lacked in the QB dept.

I'm really glad we are at home for opening week. We HAVE to come out of the gates FIRING this season make a statement EARLY, winning the close ones as we should!

This is gonna be a really good game. We WILL WIN but it's gonna be a hard fought VICTORY! SKINS=28
FINS= 24

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;316723]KUDOS! On to week one I really think Trent will be the BEST QB they have had in some time. Could care less about his age, the guy still has game, something they have lacked in the QB dept.

I'm really glad we are at home for opening week. We HAVE to come out of the gates FIRING this season make a statement EARLY, winning the close ones as we should!

This is gonna be a really good game. We WILL WIN but it's gonna be a hard fought VICTORY! SKINS=28
FINS= 24[/quote]


To add on to what you just said we really need to stop trying to act so cute with the playcalling. We must remember what works hand the ball to Portis and Betts and let them run behind that massive offensive line. Also, bring back the reciever screen for Santana. Worked in 2005. If it isnt broke dont fix it.

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Skins - 41
Fins - 13

DAMN RIGHT I SAID IT !!!!

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;316725]Skins - 41
Fins - 13

DAMN RIGHT I SAID IT !!!![/quote]

I agree..somewhat. Trent Green looked like a$$ when he came back from his bumped noggin injury with one of the game's best running backs and tight ends, not to mention one of the top rated O-lines. Sorry, but it will take a lot more to scare me than the name Trent Green. I see an embarrassing blowout for the Skins: 35 - 3.

And going by last year's "Brad Johnson did it" is no reason to think it will happen again. The Skins beat themselves in that game more so than the Vikings. Also, I'm sure it's fresh in some of those players minds that they f'ed up that game. In a word: redemption

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I think barring no injuries we will win 28-6. It will be a statement game for the skins to their fans. This year will be different. The defense doesn't let a touchdown occur and Trent Green gets blown up on Laron Landry Safety Blitz taken out in the second quarter

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I wanna wait to make any calls on a score, atleast until training camp. Injuries do happen.

The team should win, but I am not ready to say by how much.

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I like the Skins in this one BIG!

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I see Saunders being able to point out every tendency Trent Green has to Greg Williams before the game. Green will be a little shaky in the new offense and will rely on his instincts. This gives us an advantage. Saunders offense will have changed enough over two years that Green won't be able to tell the Fins much about what to expect. That is a big advantage for us. With that said, the Fins defense is stout and I don't expect them to give up 30 points. I expect that we can put up 20+ points and hold them under 17.

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[quote=GoSkins!;316743]I see Saunders being able to point out every tendency Trent Green has to Greg Williams before the game. Green will be a little shaky in the new offense and will rely on his instincts. This gives us an advantage. Saunders offense will have changed enough over two years that Green won't be able to tell the Fins much about what to expect. That is a big advantage for us. With that said, the Fins defense is stout and I don't expect them to give up 30 points. I expect that we can put up 20+ points and hold them under 17.[/quote]


This is true, but our defense is vastly fragile right now and we dont know how well Fletcher, Landry, and the rest will mesh together. I am excited to see but I am also worried. Will Shawn Springs be 100% throughtout the season like in 2004 when he lead the team in interceptions and sacks. Or will he be the 2006 Shawn Springs who couldn't sat healthy and who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. We don't know what we are getting right now. We are hoping for the best but hoping will only get you so far if you know what I mean. So we will basically have to wait and see how well we stack up. If after four quarters we are leading the Dolphins then we stack up well. On the other hand, if we are losing after four quarters then we don't. And remember the Redskins always seem to lose games they are supposed to win like the Titans game last year. And since the year 2000 no other team has had more losses by 6 or fewer points than our Washington Redskins. So it has to be a wait and see game. We could be suprised or we could be dissapointed. Either way I think I speak for eveyone here when I say that we are excited to say the least.

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Depending on injuries up to that point, the game could go either way IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if we lost that game considering that we will have some new faces on the field for the first time in a real game situation. Who knows how Wade will hold up at the guard spot and JC may have some jitters cuz it'll be his first NFL season opener. Will our revamped secondary and linebacking corps have gelled together by then? Doubtful. Still Miami isn't the strongest of opponents so thats why i say its a toss-up.

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As of June 9th of the pre- pre season, I truely believe the skins will win this opening game. If jason misfires as it were we can still rely on our great backfield tandem. JC is a winner and if AL'S vaunted offense comes to fruition like past stats prove, we'll be in good shape . As far as "d" is concerned the league dosen't know whats gonna hit'em in the mouth if we can stay healthy 23-17 skinz in not that close a game...

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[quote=bigSkinsfan61;316761]As of June 9th of the pre- pre season, I truely believe the skins will win this opening game. If jason misfires as it were we can still rely on our great backfield tandem. JC is a winner and if AL'S vaunted offense comes to fruition like past stats prove, we'll be in good shape . As far as "d" is concerned the league dosen't know whats gonna hit'em in the mouth if we can stay healthy 23-17 skinz in not that close a game...[/quote]


I am still skeptical because I was expecting a rout of Minesota and Dallas in the first 2 opening games and I was let down. So I don't know.

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We win 14-7. Miami scores it's only touchdown against us on a botched field goal attempt when Suisham tries to make something happen after a bad snap and ends up throwing an INT. that gets returned for a touchdown.

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[quote=wilsowilso;316768]We win 14-7. Miami scores it's only touchdown against us on a botched field goal attempt when Suisham tries to make something happen after a bad snap and ends up throwing an INT. that gets returned for a touchdown.[/quote]ZINGAROO!

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Skin's D vs. Dolphin's O

To me, these are the two weakest parts for each team. The D has something to prove, as they were awful last season. With the addition of Fletch and possibly Landry starting on opening day, a lot is left to the imagination. The D could come out with a huge chip on its shoulder, or could very easily fall flat on its face.
The Dolphins O is definately going to be shaky if Trent is going to be their opening day starter. He ha a lot to learn about this new offense and little time to do it in. Veteran or not, this is going to be a difficult task for him. He will have to rely on Ronnie Brown, and possibly Ricky "I Stay High" Williams.
I think in the end, the D is going to harass TG, and in the back of Trent's mind is going to be the hit he took last season. I think The Skin's D shuts them down.

Skin's O vs. Dolphin's D

These are much stronger portions of each offense. The Skins O began to gel coming down to the end of the season, with a rook QB and without CP. With JC vastly improving, CP and Ladell being healthy, and a better rapport with each of the receivers, this is going to be a dangerous unit.
However, don't doubt the Dolphin's D. The unit may be aging, but they are still quite good. Look for them to try and rattle JC early with exotic blitzes.
You can't predict which unit is going to outshine the other, so I'm going to call this one a stalemate.

Special Teams.

To be honest, the only person I remember off the Dolphin's ST, was Wes Welker, and he's gone, so I'm going to assume that the play of the Dolphin's ST has declined. I don't think the Skin's ST has. That is clearly one of Gibbs' pride and joy, and we've only added players to what was a highlight unit last season. I may be biased, but I believe that the Skins win this matchup.

My logic and beliefs may very well be flawed, but I think the Redskins should come out victorious. My score Skins: 34
Dolphins: 20

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[quote=Jamaican'Skin;316770]Skin's D vs. Dolphin's O

To me, these are the two weakest parts for each team. The D has something to prove, as they were awful last season. With the addition of Fletch and possibly Landry starting on opening day, a lot is left to the imagination. The D could come out with a huge chip on its shoulder, or could very easily fall flat on its face.
The Dolphins O is definately going to be shaky if Trent is going to be their opening day starter. He ha a lot to learn about this new offense and little time to do it in. Veteran or not, this is going to be a difficult task for him. He will have to rely on Ronnie Brown, and possibly Ricky "I Stay High" Williams.
I think in the end, the D is going to harass TG, and in the back of Trent's mind is going to be the hit he took last season. I think The Skin's D shuts them down.

Skin's O vs. Dolphin's D

These are much stronger portions of each offense. The Skins O began to gel coming down to the end of the season, with a rook QB and without CP. With JC vastly improving, CP and Ladell being healthy, and a better rapport with each of the receivers, this is going to be a dangerous unit.
However, don't doubt the Dolphin's D. The unit may be aging, but they are still quite good. Look for them to try and rattle JC early with exotic blitzes.
You can't predict which unit is going to outshine the other, so I'm going to call this one a stalemate.

Special Teams.

To be honest, the only person I remember off the Dolphin's ST, was Wes Welker, and he's gone, so I'm going to assume that the play of the Dolphin's ST has declined. I don't think the Skin's ST has. That is clearly one of Gibbs' pride and joy, and we've only added players to what was a highlight unit last season. I may be biased, but I believe that the Skins win this matchup.

My logic and beliefs may very well be flawed, but I think the Redskins should come out victorious. My score Skins: 34
Dolphins: 20[/quote]


Not a bad anaylsis. However, there RB tandem will be Brown & Chatman. There is a slim to none chance of dope head Ricky Williams ever wearing a Fins uniform again, I think slim just left town.

Here is a recent interview with Cam on the status of suspended Ricky W.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/dolphins/2007-05-18-cameron-williams_N.htm]Dolphins' Cameron not expecting Ricky Williams to return - USATODAY.com[/url]

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JC's continued development is so crucial; I see him as the key to the Skins success this season starting with the game against the Dolphins.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;316774]Not a bad anaylsis. However, there RB tandem will be Brown & Chatman. There is a slim to none chance of dope head Ricky Williams ever wearing a Fins uniform again, I think slim just left town.

Here is a recent interview with Cam on the status of suspended Ricky W.

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/dolphins/2007-05-18-cameron-williams_N.htm"]Dolphins' Cameron not expecting Ricky Williams to return - USATODAY.com[/URL][/quote]

That's right, and as for special teams, they did bring in Ted Ginn who will replace Wes Walker.

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I think we're underestimating Miami's defense a little bit. Definitely a challenge for a young QB and Cam Camron may be able to turn their O around. I consider the Dolphins and Redskins in the same boat. Tons of talent that just hasn't gotten it together yet. Their biggest problem is their Oline, or lack there of.

The first game of the season is always very tough to call, as are the next two. Hard to tell which teams look better and who looks worse.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;316774]Not a bad anaylsis. However, there RB tandem will be Brown & Chatman. There is a slim to none chance of dope head Ricky Williams ever wearing a Fins uniform again, I think slim just left town.

Here is a recent interview with Cam on the status of suspended Ricky W.

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/dolphins/2007-05-18-cameron-williams_N.htm"]Dolphins' Cameron not expecting Ricky Williams to return - USATODAY.com[/URL][/quote]
Their running backs are Brown and 3rd round pick Lorenzo Booker.

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[quote=steveo395;316805]Their running backs are Brown and 3rd round pick Lorenzo Booker.[/quote]


There real RB's are Jesse Chatman & Ronnie Brown. Lorenzo Booker has never played a down in the NFL...?

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;316809]There real RB's are Jesse Chatman & Ronnie Brown. Lorenzo Booker has never played a down in the NFL...?[/quote]
He's probably still better than Jesse Chatman. Booker will be good.

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Total toss up at this point as to whether it will be a squeaker or a blowout. Really can't say. Too many questions to be answered, but to be honest I think most of them will be answered in a positive way(JC, defensive backfield, LB corp, Llyod and Randle El getting more receptions) If the pass rush is decent and we can get our stud wideouts the ball often, we will crush them. They won't be able to focus on Portis/Betts and their D will disintegrate. IF we could get back to 2005 shape defensively, it should be killer. Trent is good for sure, but he doesn't have that much talent to work with in my opinion to really hurt our D. I can't see Ron Brown doing that much damage against our LB corp either. Only way it is really close is if both teams get opening week jitters and it is a sloppy game.

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I say the only thing Trent may lack in this game is timing with his WR's. I would much rather play him early in the year than latter as his timing becomes better. His age to me is not an issue this year but in terms of building a team it is an issue for them over the next few years.

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I think it's going to be similar to the Skins and Bears game of 2005. Tight game, with the Skins coming out victorious. I think our defense (if healthy, unlike last year) will totally dominate the Dolphins offense. I think their defense could pose problems for our offense unless Campbell really has progressed like we all think (hope) he has.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316719]Let's not forget we said the exact same thing about Brad Johnson and the Vikings last year. If we have laerned anything over the past couple of years is don't underestimate anyone[/quote]

Well, anything is possible in the NFL. But some things are less possible. Miami is really going to struggle on offense this year. Trent Green looks like an old QB now. He's 37 and can't get it downfield anymore. He reminds me of Brunell at this point of his career. He just didn't play very well when he came back from his injury last year. KC saw the writing on the wall and that's why they got rid of him. Plus Miami is suspect at O-line and WR. I just don't see us losing to a team at home with so many holes.

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[quote=skinsfan69;316937]Well, anything is possible in the NFL. But some things are less possible. Miami is really going to struggle on offense this year. Trent Green looks like an old QB now. He's 37 and can't get it downfield anymore. He reminds me of Brunell at this point of his career. He just didn't play very well when he came back from his injury last year. KC saw the writing on the wall and that's why they got rid of him. Plus Miami is suspect at O-line and WR. I just don't see us losing to a team at home with so many holes.[/quote]


and the Vikings had the EXACT same holes. So, I could really see us blowing this game like we did with the Vikings last season. And Trent Green is way better than Brunell at this point. It is not even a comparison at all. Trent can still make all the throws and he is not coming off of shoulder surgery like Brunell.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316940]and the Vikings had the EXACT same holes. So, I could really see us blowing this game like we did with the Vikings last season. And Trent Green is way better than Brunell at this point. It is not even a comparison at all. Trent can still make all the throws and he is not coming off of shoulder surgery like Brunell.[/quote]

You could be right. But Minn. has 4 studs across the D-line. It was a bad match-up for us because we always try and ram it down everyone's throat. You saw how NE attacked Minn? 4-5 Wr sets all game long. Well we could not use that type of game plan becasue Brunell can't throw the ball like Brady, and Gibbs doesn't have the balls to use that type of gameplan.

It's debatable whether Green is better than Brunell. I mean Green was not very good last year. Was it becasue the team around him was not as good as previous years? Maybe. But some of it was he was just missing guys and had no confidence once Al S. left. He was terrible in the playoff loss to Indy. If I remember correctly KC didn't even get a first down until the 3rd q of that game.

Green has had no work w/ the Miami offense. He's coming in all late and what not. I just don't see him being very effective the first half of the season. Plus all they have is Chris Chambers. This is a game we should win at home. But it's the NFL and I would not be shocked if they came in here an beat us. After all we were 5-11 last year.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;316719]Let's not forget we said the exact same thing about Brad Johnson and the Vikings last year. If we have laerned anything over the past couple of years is don't underestimate anyone[/QUOTE]


You must remember that every year in the NFL is different, and because we cannot over or under estimate any team, it makes it equally difficult to make predictions. That's why I enjoy going to the games because you don't know what's going to happen, the suspense is what makes it worth watching.

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[quote=skinsfan69;316982]You could be right. But Minn. has 4 studs across the D-line. It was a bad match-up for us because we always try and ram it down everyone's throat. You saw how NE attacked Minn? 4-5 Wr sets all game long. Well we could not use that type of game plan becasue Brunell can't throw the ball like Brady, and Gibbs doesn't have the balls to use that type of gameplan.

It's debatable whether Green is better than Brunell. I mean Green was not very good last year. Was it becasue the team around him was not as good as previous years? Maybe. But some of it was he was just missing guys and had no confidence once Al S. left. He was terrible in the playoff loss to Indy. If I remember correctly KC didn't even get a first down until the 3rd q of that game.

Green has had no work w/ the Miami offense. He's coming in all late and what not. I just don't see him being very effective the first half of the season. Plus all they have is Chris Chambers. This is a game we should win at home. But it's the NFL and I would not be shocked if they came in here an beat us. After all we were 5-11 last year.[/quote]


NO the Vikings had 1 stud on the D Line and 1 solid veteran

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I would rephrase the question into two parts:

1] How are the Redskins going to come together and play as a total team?

and

2] How fast can T_Green learn the FINS players and offense?

We all hope that the SKINS will come together and win but not a single one of us has a clue as to what will take place on opening day. But that is the excitment of football.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316989]NO the Vikings had 1 stud on the D Line and 1 solid veteran[/quote]

I think you are correct on that one quake. And the debate is over on who is better Trent or Mark.....who's starting and who's riding the bench.....fighting just to stay in the league another year....?

That's not even close.

You certainly can't take the Fins lightly, that's a fact. However, I feel like we will come out of the gates making a statement after last season, and put this puzzle together....AND WIN A CLOSE ONE.

IMO, we will win the close games this year and that will be the difference, for us to have the WINNING SEASON THAT AWAITS! There is alot of pride within this organization to include the players/coachs/fans that have a bad taste in there mouth from last year, I believe this year will be special!