Anthony Montgomery
 

During the draft preparation and free agent acquisition process, I was strongly in favor of upgrading our DT position because I saw how badly the line performed against the run last year. But reading the Washington Post today, I'm surprised to hear of how highly regarded Anthony Montgomery is in terms of raw talent. Reynaldo Wynn compares him to Marcus Stroud in terms of size, build, strength, and quickness.

Of all the things we talk about, needing players to step up and whatnot, of course JC is the main one. And it'd be real good to see Rocky fill in that LB spot admirably, and see Landry make an impact in the secondary, and see Springs stay healthy. But man, stopping the run is still our primary need on defense IMO. And if we get Montgomery to tap into his raw talent? Lights out fellas, we're going to the playoffs.

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I think this is precisely why the Redskins opted not to draft any defensive lineman. I think both Montgomery and Golston are going to raise some eyebrows this year.

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I was shocked to see this article too. I recall reading in 06 that most teams that talked to Montgomery wanted him to switch to o-line. the skins promised to keep him on D. Usually a switch to o-line is due in part to lack of speed, hope that isn't the case.

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[quote=12thMan;320343]I think this is precisely why the Redskins opted not to draft any defensive lineman. I think both Montgomery and Golston are going to raise some eyebrows this year.[/quote]I was really suprised when we took both of them last year. I thought why would they waste 2 picks on guys that probably won't make the team anyways. It really is starting to show that Gibbs and Co. have a real plan for the future instead of trying to win it all right now.

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What I liked about their strategy last year was drafting people who were injured but were highly regarded. I think some people said that had they not been injured they would have been first to third round picks.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

He's a guy that has first round talent, but up until now his work ethic has held him back. Seems like he's starting to understand that hard work is what seperates the average players from the great ones on this level. He's a big wildcard for our defensive line this year.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

Wouldn't it be something if Montgomery and Golston were both starting around mid-season.

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[quote=12thMan;320343]I think this is precisely why the Redskins opted not to draft any defensive lineman. I think both Montgomery and Golston are going to raise some eyebrows this year.[/quote]

Because of these two guys I think the FO saw that they did not have a need for DT. I remember Gibbs saying in one of his press conferences that both of these guys were having great off-seasons. HOWEVER, DE is whole nother issue. We need a young stud DE in the worst way. We need some pass rushers coming off the edge and right now we don't have anybody. I assume that GW is going to reley on the improved secondary to cover better and blitz more guys.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

If Carter picks up where he left off last year we could be just fine at DE. Williams is supposed to let the lineman attack more this year, so hopefully that will pay off. Plus, if we can generate pressure up the middle that will only help take the pressure of the DEs by not allowing them to be doubled as often.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

yeah, don't forget about AC. IF all we need him to do is pass rush, he'll get his sacks. He's a natural rusher, he's just not much in the run.

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[quote=12thMan;320350]Wouldn't it be something if Montgomery and Golston were both starting around mid-season.[/quote]

Really!
I really like what I am reading about these guys. Actually, I really like what the Skins have done.........or not done in the off-season

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=freddyg12;320369]yeah, don't forget about AC. IF all we need him to do is pass rush, he'll get his sacks. He's a natural rusher, he's just not much in the run.[/quote]

And that's exactly what scares me cause he can't hold up on run downs. Perhaps 50 year old Wynn can spell him some.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

If they're both starting that would probably mean Griffin is hurt, and I don't like the sound of that. One of the big keys to our defense is Griffin staying healthy and playing at a high level.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=Mattyk72;320376]If they're both starting that would probably mean Griffin is hurt, and I don't like the sound of that. One of the big keys to our defense is Griffin staying healthy and playing at a high level.[/quote]

true, would be nice if Montgomery beat griff out to start w/griff coming in on passing downs. I read that Montgomery runs a 5.24 40, which sounds like he's not likely to be a pass rusher as much as a run stuffer. 40 times only count for so much though, he might have a great burst now that he's toning up. It's a position where quickness is more important than speed anyway.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=freddyg12;320397]true, would be nice if Montgomery beat griff out to start w/griff coming in on passing downs. I read that Montgomery runs a 5.24 40, which sounds like he's not likely to be a pass rusher as much as a run stuffer. 40 times only count for so much though, he might have a great burst now that he's toning up. It's a position where quickness is more important than speed anyway.[/quote]

40 times mean diddily squat for a DT. The 40 time measures straight away speed. The DT needs explosion and burst, as you alluded to. It's more about his lower body strength, how quickly can he get off the line.

If you were going to measure something, take a look at how much weight he can squat, and how much he can "clean." That's when you hold the barbell in both hands down at about your knees and jerk it up to the point where you're holding at your shoulders in preparation to lift it over your head.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=Schneed10;320405]40 times mean diddily squat for a DT. The 40 time measures straight away speed. The DT needs explosion and burst, as you alluded to. It's more about his lower body strength, how quickly can he get off the line.

If you were going to measure something, take a look at how much weight he can squat, and how much he can "clean." That's when you hold the barbell in both hands down at about your knees and jerk it up to the point where you're holding at your shoulders in preparation to lift it over your head.[/quote]

right, quickness as I mentioned & strength is an assumed must have in any lineman. I don't put TOO much emphasis on 40 times, but I think if you look at the game's best pass rushers, dt, de or lb's, I bet that on avg. they have faster 40 times.
Doesn't matter to me though, I think if he contributes as a run stuffer & gets some pt, that's a bonus. If he's an every down dt, that's a draft steal. I hope that his offseason has been like Loyd's, & his training will show on game days. Expect to see a lot of snaps in preseason for sure.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

i have read the same thing about Montgomery. lacks intensity at times. and right now doesn't understand what it takes to be a good pro, the film work and the aggressive practicing

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I hope everyone doesn't get their hopes up that Montgomery is the next Stroud because this is complete crap. This story is a result of a newspaper struggling for stores in the lol before training camp. This guy has done nothing so far to lead you to believe he will have any kind of significant contribution this year.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=skins009;320454]I hope everyone doesn't get their hopes up that Montgomery is the next Stroud because this is complete crap. This story is a result of a newspaper struggling for stores in the lol before training camp. This guy has done nothing so far to lead you to believe he will have any kind of significant contribution this year.[/quote]

calm down cowboy, I don't think anybody is putting him in the Pro Bowl, but it is encouraging to hear that he seems to understand what he needs to do to improve.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=Schneed10;320340]During the draft preparation and free agent acquisition process, I was strongly in favor of upgrading our DT position because I saw how badly the line performed against the run last year. But reading the Washington Post today, I'm surprised to hear of how highly regarded Anthony Montgomery is in terms of raw talent. Reynaldo Wynn compares him to Marcus Stroud in terms of size, build, strength, and quickness.

Of all the things we talk about, needing players to step up and whatnot, of course JC is the main one. And it'd be real good to see Rocky fill in that LB spot admirably, and see Landry make an impact in the secondary, and see Springs stay healthy. But man, stopping the run is still our primary need on defense IMO. And if we get Montgomery to tap into his raw talent? Lights out fellas, we're going to the playoffs.

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If we can get Golston and Montgomery to play like Stroud and Henderson, forget the playoffs and Hello Arizona!!!!![IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG]

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I'm glad to hear Montgomery is taking his job seriously and finally giving it a full effort. To have the opportunity to play in the NFL and still have the reputation of being a poor worker, lacking intensity and desire, and taking plays off is a shame. He did it in college and it carried over to his rookie year. Most males would love the opportunity and talent he has been blessed with. I'm not going to pat the guy on the back for doing what is expected of every player privileged enough to pay in the NFL- giving 100%. Lose fat, put on muscle, study the plays, be intense, show up for offseason workouts- welcome to football. It's a game, but it's also a job- and a lucrative one at that. Hopefully (and I wont be sold until I see full effort CONSISTENTLY) he'll shed the underachiever label sooner rather than later. We need him this year big time.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

It would be great if Golston, and Montgomery end up being our DT duo for years to come, but I think it might take a year or two for Montgomery to replace Griff in the starting lineup.

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Montgomery is also " RAW " . He gained ,,,, 100lbs his first two years at U Minn . He was a QB in high school . If he works hard and has / gets a killer instinct , he could be a real force , maybe as early as this year . I still think having Griff at 99/ 100 % along with A. Carter improving on last year are keys to a great front 4 .

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

It's always been my position that DE was a greater need than DT. We had this discussion ad nauseum before the draft. With Griffin, Golston, Montgomery and Salavea, we should get a decent years worth of play. If they are all healthy, it would be a bonus.

By contrast, we will be in trouble at DE if Carter doesn't continue his late season play from last year. Everybody else is average and old. I still think they should at least think about playing Wynn on first down. Of course, with an upgrade out outside LB over Holdman, Carter may be adequate against the run.

Also, they intend, I think to funnel the offensive pressure away from the middle (LBers) to the outside (CBs) by playing more Cover 1 with Landry up near the line of scrimmage. This may allow Carter's athleticism to display itself as he will not have to be as disciplined in his approach. He will have an extra defender on early downs.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

i think AM is going to be a decent player at best

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I don't think our D line will be that much better regardless. If other teams wanted to switch him to O line then they saw something. We really needed to draft at least one D linemen this year at the very least. A young vet would have been optimal, but not much was on the FA market. Drafting LB's was a waste.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;320565]I don't think our D line will be that much better regardless. If other teams wanted to switch him to O line then they saw something. We really needed to draft at least one D linemen this year at the very least. A young vet would have been optimal, but not much was on the FA market. Drafting LB's was a waste.[/quote]

We certainly needed D-line, but I don't think drafting LBs in the 5th and 7th rounds was a waste. Both Blades and Sartz are considered sleeper prospects, and aside from Lemar Marshall, who's 31, who else to have for LB depth? Nada.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

fluff article. until he plays like marcus stroud (which requires not playing like a backup when he gets on the field, like he did last year,) we can start making those comparisons.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

He looks like he's all baby fat, Straud is all muscle, they may be similar in size, but I don't see the comparison as far as defintion, or power.

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There are guys on every team in the NFL that have great off seasons. All this means is he's lifting and doing a lot of film/classrooom work. Do you know who many guys in the NFL are doing the exact same thing? Even at the QB position. We are all gettting geeked up hearing about JC's progress. Eli, Romo and McNabb are all doing the same things. My point is none of this hype is going to matter until they start putting the pads on. Until then, it just gives us fans something to talk about.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

all good points about AM. Like Matty said, nobody's voting him to the pro bowl already. If this story is an accurate depiction of his commitment then maybe we can at least count on him to get some snaps in the rotation. GW likes to sub based on what 'package' it is, so it seems there is ample opportunity for the guy to get some time even if he's not a starter.

I think the thing to get excited about in this story is that for a change, one of our late draft picks may be shaping up & becoming a decent, if not good, pro. It was good news last year that Golston & Montgomery made the roster & got some time. If both improve, we've got to be happy w/that. I would love to see these guys become Butz/Daryl Grant, those two guys anchored the d-line for years. While unspectacular, they were solid.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

Right now he won't be the starter so I just want him to be a good rotation DT that can come in and play well when his name is called. The starters are Griffin and Golston with Salave'a and MOntegomery coming off the bench. If we can keep them healthy and rotation them actively and they play well we should be fine.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

I do remember watching this guy in Minnesota because we tend to get a lot of big ten games here, and I was suprised that he was drafted at the point in the draft that he was. Its encouraging to hear that he is much more focused and willing to work at this point. He seems to have a lot of raw talent. If the development of Golston continues, that draft could turn out to be a pretty good one for our defensive line, and a huge reason why maybe we passed on the dline this draft.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=Gmanc711;320652]I do remember watching this guy in Minnesota because we tend to get a lot of big ten games here, and I was suprised that he was drafted at the point in the draft that he was. Its encouraging to hear that he is much more focused and willing to work at this point. He seems to have a lot of raw talent. If the development of Golston continues, that draft could turn out to be a pretty good one for our defensive line, and a huge reason why maybe we passed on the dline this draft.[/quote]


Now if Justin Hickman can become a good situational pass rusher, it would be GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!![IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon7.gif[/IMG]

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=12thMan;320350]Wouldn't it be something if Montgomery and Golston were both starting around mid-season.[/quote]Very likely. Golston said to me at the 'Skins Beach Blitz that "there were guys working hard [to take his spot on the DL]". Which initially came across as being humble but, possibly now a lot more clear. Golston's build and pass rushing ability is similiar to Griffin's. And it seems more effective to have an anchor type DT playing alongside either of them as supposed to starting both. With Evans in the mix, and as the Montgomery news promises, we could have a nice rotation. As 'old' as Daniels is, he does know how to make good use of what's in the tank.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=GMScud;320530]I'm glad to hear Montgomery is taking his job seriously and finally giving it a full effort. To have the opportunity to play in the NFL and still have the reputation of being a poor worker, lacking intensity and desire, and taking plays off is a shame. He did it in college and it carried over to his rookie year. Most males would love the opportunity and talent he has been blessed with. I'm not going to pat the guy on the back for doing what is expected of every player privileged enough to pay in the NFL- giving 100%. Lose fat, put on muscle, study the plays, be intense, show up for offseason workouts- welcome to football. It's a game, but it's also a job- and a lucrative one at that. Hopefully (and I wont be sold until I see full effort CONSISTENTLY) he'll shed the underachiever label sooner rather than later. We need him this year big time.[/quote]This guy sounds so much like Alan Branch coming out of college but, without a lot talent around him. To those who doubt what could become of Montgomery should consider Blache's track record. our OL and DL coaches have proven to make names for underachievers.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

[quote=EXoffender;321108]This guy sounds so much like Alan Branch coming out of college but, without a lot talent around him. To those who doubt what could become of Montgomery should consider Blache's track record. our OL and DL coaches have proven to make names for underachievers.[/quote]

Hey may have tons of potential, but like I said, I'll believe it when I see it. Potential never got anyone anywhere. I am glad to hear that he has been working hard. But it's a lot easier to work hard in the offseason than it is to keep up that ethic and intensity through training camp, pre and regular season.

Re: Anthony Montgomery
 

I just want us to have a healthy active DT rotation during the regular season.