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Dont know if any one is watching it but Bramlet has thrown for 4 tds and over 350yards and its not over. He is having his best game of the season in the biggest game of his career. He is also solidfying his position as our no. 3 qb in my opinion, that is if we cut collins. Could this guy be the real deal?

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Yea, this is World Bowl II thread. Sea devils win. Bramlet MVP!

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[QUOTE=bigm29;320664]Dont know if any one is watching it but Bramlet has thrown for 4 tds and over 350yards and its not over. He is having his best game of the season in the biggest game of his career. He is also solidfying his position as our no. 3 qb in my opinion, that is if we cut collins. Could this guy be the real deal?[/QUOTE]

Is this the Doug Flutie syndrome? (IE: can kick ass vs inferior talent, but when the NFL comes calling he sucks)

I'm not high on Collins, so I say why not for #3, but I feel Collins will stay for his knowledge of the system. Wishful thinking anyway.

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[quote=jsarno;320666][B]Is this the Doug Flutie syndrome? (IE: can kick ass vs inferior talent, but when the NFL comes calling he sucks)[/B]

I'm not high on Collins, so I say why not for #3, but I feel Collins will stay for his knowledge of the system. Wishful thinking anyway.[/quote]

I thought Flutie was one of best back-up QBs in nfl??

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;320668]I thought Flutie was one of best back-up QBs in nfl??[/QUOTE]

If that was not sarcasm, then you just proved my point. Look at how amazing he did in the CFL...what did he do in the NFL? Thus the Doug Flutie syndrome.

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[quote=jsarno;320673]If that was not sarcasm, then you just proved my point. Look at how amazing he did in the CFL...what did he do in the NFL? Thus the Doug Flutie syndrome.[/quote]
He wasn't bad in the NFL. He just never really got that much of a chance because he was only 5'10". He still made it to the pro bowl in 1998.

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[QUOTE=steveo395;320675]He wasn't bad in the NFL. He just never really got that much of a chance because he was only 5'10". He still made it to the pro bowl in 1998.[/QUOTE]


What do you mean he wasn't given a chance? He was the starter for the Bills and Chargers. Also, if he was THAT good, he would have had MANY more starts.
So again I say...he was AMAZING in the CFL and nothing in the NFL.
He wasn't good in the NFL, he was average...he was ALL FREAKIN WORLD in the CFL. He was so good, he became the first American to be voted into the Canadian Hall of Fame.

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ALL HAIL BRAMLET! I watched the whole thing. He needs a little fine tuning here and there but this kid is DEF IMO a walk on for 3rd QB postion.

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While I like Bramlett, he won't make the squad. Campbell, Brunell, Palmer.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;320684]While I like Bramlett, he won't make the squad. Campbell, Brunell, Palmer.[/QUOTE]


Palmer over collins?

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palmer can hit the practice squad. I think bramlet can make the #3. campbell and brunell are locks at #1 and #2 though, no way collins stays.

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[quote=Daseal;320684]While I like Bramlett, he won't make the squad. Campbell, Brunell, Palmer.[/quote]

I would take Bramlet over Palmer ANY day. IMO, Palmer if here will be pratice squad.

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Bramlet looked great in the World Bowl - poised, mobile, crisp on his passes and really accurate on the deep throws. Of course, he wasn't facing NFL-level competition, but I think he would be a good 3rd QB for the Skins. And he would bring in the prospect of developing into a solid number 2 behind Campbell, once Brunell finally retires.

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If Brunell is healthy, which it looks like he is, Collins will be gone. Even though Saunders loves Collins, Brunell has playoff experience as a starter. He stays as the number 2. Palmer makes the practice squad. Bramlet comes in as the number three.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;320666]Is this the Doug Flutie syndrome? (IE: can kick ass vs inferior talent, but when the NFL comes calling he sucks)

I'm not high on Collins, so I say why not for #3, but I feel Collins will stay for his knowledge of the system. Wishful thinking anyway.[/QUOTE]

Well, one thing in regards to Doug Flutie is the age that he came to the NFL from the CFL. I don't believe he necessarily sucked when he came to the NFL, but certainly he wasn't going to be nearly the dominate QB that he was in the CFL. That could have also contributed to his age.

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Before anyone gets overly excited about Bramlet, just remember the name JT O'Sullivan. He's a perennial star over in NFL Europe. But he's never made a dent in the NFL.

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[quote=jsarno;320679]What do you mean he wasn't given a chance? He was the starter for the Bills and Chargers. Also, if he was THAT good, he would have had MANY more starts.
So again I say...he was AMAZING in the CFL and nothing in the NFL.
He wasn't good in the NFL, he was average...he was ALL FREAKIN WORLD in the CFL. He was so good, he became the first American to be voted into the Canadian Hall of Fame.[/quote]

The guy overachieved for a player of his size, made a pro-bowl, and started for a few years for a few teams. Maybe not amazing, but FAR from nothing.

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[quote=Daseal;320684]While I like Bramlett, he won't make the squad. Campbell, Brunell, Palmer.[/quote]

Gotta disagree. Brameltt has been playing pro football (albeit overseas) at a high level for a couple seasons now. Based on proven experience Bramlett makes it as #3, Palmer on the practice squad.

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Back already GM

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Bramlet will be coming to camp already behind as far as the offense goes. Yes he's had some valuable playing time over in NFLE, but he'll have some catching up to do now. If the rumors of the Skins only keeping one veteran backup are true, you'd have to think that Brunell will be safe over Collins and the #3 job will be up for grabs. Still, I'm not getting too excited over what Bramlet did in NFLE. NFLE does not = NFL.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;321050]Back already GM[/quote]

Won't be around long today. Just popped in a for a quick visit.

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Of course Bramlet is behind what we are doing, how could he not be.......? We'll see how Bramlet does in camp, I think he's gonna make #3 spot. The guy will stay up here, even if carrying a clipboard. If not with us some other NFL team will pick him up. Collins is no longer needed at his price tag, as long as MB is ready to be a capable backup #2, as all evidence at this time proves he is.

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The thing that's against him is the fact that they drafted J. Palmer. There is always pressure to keep draft picks on the squad. I gave up predicting which way these decisions go because they seldom do what I think they will or should. Of course if it were me, Babe Laufenberg would still have a roster spot. I just hope they don't screw Bramlet because Vinny owed Palmer's agent a favor or some nonsense like that. Sometimes I wonder.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;321036]Before anyone gets overly excited about Bramlet, just remember the name JT O'Sullivan. He's a perennial star over in NFL Europe. But he's never made a dent in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

Jake Delhomme? Wasn't he a NFL Europe star at one point?

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[quote=GoSkins!;321021]If Brunell is healthy, which it looks like he is, Collins will be gone. Even though Saunders loves Collins, Brunell has playoff experience as a starter. He stays as the number 2. Palmer makes the practice squad. Bramlet comes in as the number three.[/quote]

Here is how I see it. And I'm not trying to turn this into a Brunell thread. But can someone tell me why we are keeping a 37 year old QB coming off major shoulder surgery to his throwing arm? Even when he is healthy, which isn't very often, he can't move the chains. Yes, he has experience, but throwing a 5 yard pass on 3-8 does nothing for me. Brunell can't run Al's offense. Does anyone on this board think that Collins can't do any worse than Brunell did? I'm just speculating. I don't know, maybe Brunell is better suited for the back-up role and can be effective if he only has to play for a week or two. But if I have to watch 9 Eagles lurking around the line of scrimmage and we can't beat that deep I'm going to puke.

If you look around the NFL most teams keep a young guy and a vet. No one keeps two old guys around in their mid to late 30's. So I believe this rumor 100%. So if it were me, I would have Collins be the #2 and then let Bramlett and Palmer battle it out for #3. We have got to get a young guy in here to groom along with JC.

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Anyone found highlights from the game?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;321170]Here is how I see it. And I'm not trying to turn this into a Brunell thread. But can someone tell me why we are keeping a 37 year old QB coming off major shoulder surgery to his throwing arm? Even when he is healthy, which isn't very often, he can't move the chains. Yes, he has experience, but throwing a 5 yard pass on 3-8 does nothing for me. Brunell can't run Al's offense. Does anyone on this board think that Collins can't do any worse than Brunell did? I'm just speculating. I don't know, maybe Brunell is better suited for the back-up role and can be effective if he only has to play for a week or two. But if I have to watch 9 Eagles lurking around the line of scrimmage and we can't beat that deep I'm going to puke.

If you look around the NFL most teams keep a young guy and a vet. No one keeps two old guys around in their mid to late 30's. So I believe this rumor 100%. So if it were me, I would have Collins be the #2 and then let Bramlett and Palmer battle it out for #3. We have got to get a young guy in here to groom along with JC.[/QUOTE]I guess it's been a while since a nice Brunell sucks posting. This one didn't make me want to punch the computer.

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If Brunell sucks it doesn't say much for Mr. career backup Todd Collins. If either of these guys had to play a significant amount this year we're screwed. I think Brunell gets the nod though due to his experience level.

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[quote=Mattyk72;321184]If Brunell sucks it doesn't say much for Mr. career backup Todd Collins. If either of these guys had to play a significant amount this year we're screwed. I think Brunell gets the nod though due to his experience level.[/quote]


And his skill level gets him the nod as well. I mean who would rather have Brunell or Collins? I rest my case.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;321185]And his skill level gets him the nod as well. I mean who would rather have Brunell or Collins? I rest my case.[/quote]

Do I get option C?

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[quote=Mattyk72;321184]If Brunell sucks it doesn't say much for Mr. career backup Todd Collins. If either of these guys had to play a significant amount this year we're screwed. I think Brunell gets the nod though due to his experience level.[/quote]

I guess your right. Collins has no game experience but I sure would like to see Collins get some time this pre season. I mean how do we know this guy can't play? Has anyone actually seen the guy play? He has stuck around the NFL for a while so he must have some talent.

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[quote=skinsfan69;321202]I guess your right. Collins has no game experience but I sure would like to see Collins get some time this pre season. I mean how do we know this guy can't play? Has anyone actually seen the guy play? He has stuck around the NFL for a while so he must have some talent.[/quote]

This is Collins what, 12th season in the NFL, and he has how many starts? This is guy is a career back up who has only hung around because of his system knowledge and ability to teach players. He is the quintisential "player coach."

Brunell on the other hand is old and broken down, but the guy is a player, is well respected in the locker room, and has shown that if healthy, he is a great #2 QB. Let's not forget that Brunells problems are related to health. When his legs get balky, he is about as useful a third nipple, but when healthy, he can play at a high level as he has proven in fits and starts over the last couple years.

With Bramlet showing legit potential, and Palmer coming in as a draft pick, Collins looks like the odd man out to me. If he's that important in teaching the system, hire him as a QB coach or "offensive consultant," but don't waste a roster spot on him. Quite frankly, if we are down to our #3 QB, it means our season is probably shot and we'd be better off testing out young talent for future value than trying to eek out wins with sub-par talent.

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[quote=skinsfan69;321202]I guess your right. Collins has no game experience but I sure would like to see Collins get some time this pre season. I mean how do we know this guy can't play? Has anyone actually seen the guy play? He has stuck around the NFL for a while so he must have some talent.[/quote]

i'd like to see bramblett,the world bowl mvp get the backup job.he can't help but learn from brunnel and campbell.collins needs to go elsewhere,but he has been content to ride the bench 12 years.he may become complacent running the scout teams,or the away offenses week to week!

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I think Bramlet has the inside track on the #3 quarterback spot. There is no substitute for actual game experience. Palmer is a great prospect as well. It will be hard to stash him away on the practice squad. I have a feeling another team will snatch him up if he is placed on the practice squad.

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I don't like Brunnel or Collins. If it was up to me I would cut both and keep Campbell, Bramlet and Palmer. That's a gamble, not having an experienced backup, but Brunnel and Collins are washed up. Go with the youth movement.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;321274]I don't like Brunnel or Collins. If it was up to me I would cut both and keep Campbell, Bramlet and Palmer. That's a gamble, not having an experienced backup, but Brunnel and Collins are washed up. Go with the youth movement.[/quote]

That's not a gamble, that's called season suicide if Campbell goes down.

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I thought it was pretty well decided that Brunnell and Collins are competing for the back-up spot. Whoever doesn't make it as number 2, doesn't make the team. The third spot is reserved for the developmental guy. So essentially, it's Collins v. Brunnell and a three way competition (Hollenbach, Palmer and Bramlett) for the number three spot.

As for the back up slot: If I were Collins, I'd start making some calls. No way he beats out Brunnell. Brunnell is a JG favorite, popular in the locker room and just restructured his k so to help out the Skins. Unless he can no longer get the ball past the line of scrimmage, MB is here one more year.

As for the third spot, I think Bramlett has some advantages over Hollenbach and Palmer. First, he's got game experience - Yes, it's NFLE but Palmer and Hollenbach got nothing and aint getting many reps. He's also got one more year of familiarity with Saunders offense. Because of this and [I]if[/I] the 3rd QB is forced to play at any point this year, I think Bramlett gives us the best chance for winning. Not saying he is going to light anything up, just that, based on his experience, he may be less likely to commit some of the dumb mistakes a rookie might make.

Also, with Bramlett on the roster, both Hollenbach and Palmer can be placed on the practice squad. Even if Bramlett were eligible to be on the practice squad, my guess is that, at the first qb injury, he would be signed as [I]someone else's[/I] third QB.

I think it shakes out this way - JC, Brunell and Bramlett on the roster. Palmer and/or Hollenbach on the practice sqad. Then next year, Brunnell cut, Bramlett is the number two and Palmer, Hollenbach or next year's 7th round or OFA QB as the third.

Lots of good QB's have come out of NFLE in the past 10 years. My guess is that Bramlett is a more than servicable back-up for the NFL. Who knows? Maybe he'll develop and get enough preseason playing time to create enough interest from other teams that we can Matt Shaub him in a year or two.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;321170]Here is how I see it. And I'm not trying to turn this into a Brunell thread. But can someone tell me why we are keeping a 37 year old QB coming off major shoulder surgery to his throwing arm? Even when he is healthy, which isn't very often, he can't move the chains. Yes, he has experience, but throwing a 5 yard pass on 3-8 does nothing for me. Brunell can't run Al's offense. Does anyone on this board think that Collins can't do any worse than Brunell did? I'm just speculating. I don't know, maybe Brunell is better suited for the back-up role and can be effective if he only has to play for a week or two. But if I have to watch 9 Eagles lurking around the line of scrimmage and we can't beat that deep I'm going to puke.

If you look around the NFL most teams keep a young guy and a vet. No one keeps two old guys around in their mid to late 30's. So I believe this rumor 100%. So if it were me, I would have Collins be the #2 and then let Bramlett and Palmer battle it out for #3. We have got to get a young guy in here to groom along with JC.[/QUOTE]

What I've heard is that Brunell is just a better mentor for young QBs than Collins. He's more patient, engaging, and supportive. And, this is kind of interesting, I've also heard that Brunell is more adept at understanding the complexities of offenses other than Saunders' and that makes him more effective as a scout team QB.

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[quote=SmootSmack;321404]What I've heard is that Brunell is just a better mentor for young QBs than Collins. He's more patient, engaging, and supportive. And, this is kind of interesting, I've also heard that Brunell is more adept at understanding the complexities of offenses other than Saunders' and that makes him more effective as a scout team QB.[/quote]


If it isn't my 3rd favorite guy on the Warpath SmootSmack how are you this night/morning depending on where you are?

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[quote=SmootSmack;321404]What I've heard is that Brunell is just a better mentor for young QBs than Collins. He's more patient, engaging, and supportive. And, this is kind of interesting, I've also heard that Brunell is more adept at understanding the complexities of offenses other than Saunders' and that makes him more effective as a scout team QB.[/quote]

I would also like to add that neither is exactly a spring chicken, and I would rather have a backup that had an effective career, than one who played back up the whole time.