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Remembering Our Local Fallen Heroes Thread
A poster got me thinking that yes we should remember the fallen heros if we are going to remember Birthdays and other things.
I lost a fellow Woodbridger this last week. I don't know him or his family but my heart goes out to them. [QUOTE]Potomac News Friday, July 6, 2007 PFC STEVEN ALEXANDER DAVIS Pfc. Steven Alexander Davis, 23, of Woodbridge, died July 4 in Baghdad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his unit with grenades. Davis joined the Army on Sept. 8, 2005, and was deployed to Iraq in October. Davis was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo., according to a Department of Defense news released issued at 5 p.m. Thursday. He received the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon and Combat Infantryman Badge.[/QUOTE] Not sure if photo will work. [IMG]http://www.boastingrights.com/mike/herostevendavis.jpg[/IMG] |
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Sad.
Seems more folks know more flames and not names. I'm not suprised that not any would care enough to see about a name of someone from their home town that has paid for the Freedom of Speach that you all seem to want to use so much. Think what happened to a person that mother' F'd Saddam as their country's leader before our Soldiers began spreading Freedom. They would be killed as well as their whole family. I pray not many more have to pay this price but "we" signed up for that if it had to happen to protect this Nation and spread Freedom. Rest in Peace to the Fallen and peace to ya'll mike |
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Prayers to the family and friends of PFC DAVIS. Regardless of any political vendettas anyone might have, it's important to remember those who have paid the ultimate price for our country.
Not just local soldiers, but anyone who has sacrificed their lives for the greater good. That goes for Iraqi civilians, US soldiers, and anyone caught in the line of fire. We should probably do more than just looking at names of the fallen. I don't think it gives them an iota of the justice that they deserve. I don't see the merit for complaining about people not looking at names when things like sub-par health care is given to wounded soldiers. There are things we can do. Write a letter to your congressman. Do something. [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/17/AR2007021701172.html]Soldiers Face Neglect, Frustration At Army's Top Medical Facility - washingtonpost.com[/url] |
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I'll be feeding 500 wounded soldiers at Walter Reed in August.
It's small but what I can do. |
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I'm very glad to hear that. I wasn't referring to you specifically when saying "do something"..., but good for you. There needs to be more people being proactive about this.
So many people (including myself) tend to get this glazed over look when anything soldier or war related comes up. |
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[QUOTE=RobH4413;325536]I'm very glad to hear that. I wasn't referring to you specifically when saying "do something"..., but good for you. There needs to be more people being proactive about this.
So many people (including myself) tend to get this glazed over look when anything soldier or war related comes up.[/QUOTE] Hey, yer remembering these are smart kids making a choice to serve or not to serve and they earn our love and support. I have two sons serving right now so I'm sorry to some folks but it's personal to me andworth 3 months to argue back for our President and Country. peace |
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So many people (including myself) tend to get this glazed over look when anything soldier or war related comes up.[/quote] That's pretty sad. If people are so easily-influenced or just ignorant of history that news reports and career politicians can make them so unthankful of what's been done and sacrificed for them...well, that's just sad and pathetic. War is not a political issue. When it is made into one, the freedom that it provides for us and other nations is forgotten. |
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I have to tell that as I type there are tears welled up in my eyes. I just got an email from the local VFD Chief that the Woodbridge Soldier killed as a part of our extended family. I have permission to share this portion of his email.
[quote]All, I have spoken with Tess Davis this morning following some email tag over night. For those of you who have not yet heard: Tess is a medic with OWL who took a contract job in the Green Zone of Baghdad as an ER medic there for a year. Her son was also there with 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division. She often wrote about being in Baghdad while her son was serving. On July 4th, her son was killed in an ambush on his patrol. Per the Potomac News he received the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon and Combat Infantryman Badge. Steven Alexander Davis was 23. She is still very busy and trying to make sense of everything, and expressed over and over how much hearing from OWL meant to her. She was able to fly home with her son the night of the 5th, and is with family in North Carolina. I have extended the support and resources of the department in any way that we can help. She is very greatful, and has said that her son will be buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The date is still to be determined, but it will be approximately two weeks from now.[/quote] When I hear the date of the funeral I will make arrangements to attend and give my respects. May God bless and hold Tess in this unimaginable time. peace |
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[quote=RobH4413;325536]So many people (including myself) tend to get this glazed over look when anything soldier or war related comes up.[/quote]
I think that's a valid point. I think a lot of us are just numb to this stuff by now. I hope Bush can sleep at night knowing he has the blood of our finest on his hands. |
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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326179]I think that's a valid point. I think a lot of us are just numb to this stuff by now. I hope Bush can sleep at night knowing he has the blood of our finest on his hands.[/QUOTE]
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[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;326186]~just shakes head and walks away[/quote]
SBF, you have to realize when threads like this come up it stirs up a lot of emotions, including anger and blame. Any thread that involves political issues is bound to stir up this sort of discussion in today's divided america. Regardless, God bless the fallen and their families. |
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[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;326186]~just shakes head and walks away[/quote]
That's exactly how I feel when I see our soliders being sent to an early and pointless death. I have total and complete respect for our soliders. I cannot express that enough. However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war. |
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[quote=Mattyk72;326179]I think that's a valid point. I think a lot of us are just numb to this stuff by now. I hope Bush can sleep at night knowing he has the blood of our finest on his hands.[/quote]
THIS STUFF? I wonder what you would've said during the American Revolution, War of 1812, the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, etc...they were REALLY "quagmires". :pffff: THIS STUFF is what gives you the freedom to disagree with the government without being put in a gas chamber or just being beheaded or shot. No one likes war, even our troops...but if you like freedom, you better stand behind our troops and realize that if we don't fight for our freedom, we'll lose it. If PRESIDENT Bush has "blood on his hands", so does every single member of Congress who voted to go to war against our enemies. EVERY single one of them voted, whether they've had the integrity to stand behind their vote or not. It's pathetic how people can let their hatred for one man override their will to do what's good for the nation. I'm probably wasting time on this post, because some people don't form their views based on right and wrong...they base them on right and left. SBF...keep up the noble and honorable posts you're making. If they ALL get overrun by politics or just the popular hobby of "Bush-bashing", it's all worth it if one of our troops sees the thread and sees that not everyone is against them. |
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Calm down chief, it's not a black and white issue and I think it's hilarious when people try to make it seem that way. I support our troops, I just don't support our leaders. There's a big difference there. If you can't understand that I'm sorry.
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Let's try to keep politics out of the discussion here. We already have that stupid thread by the genious Crazyhorse
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My intention was not to hijack the thread, but I guess it's just hard to remember our fallen soliders without feeling some anger and disgust. I think it's very important to remember our fallen soldiers, but at the same time I think it's equally important to continue to question why we are there and if our leaders have a plan of action to get us the hell out. We owe our soliders that type of respect too.
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[quote=Mattyk72;326192]That's exactly how I feel when I see our soliders being sent to an early and pointless death.
I have total and complete respect for our soliders. I cannot express that enough. However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war.[/quote] If you don't support what the troops are doing, you're not really supporting them. People think they can justify themselves by saying the bumper-sticker phrase, "I support the troops but not the war". Do these people REALLY support the troops? What have you personally done to show them? I've sent phone cards to soldiers so they can call their families...bought them dinner when they return, sent care packages, supported charities that directly help them...THAT is supporting the troops. Words are nice but they don't do much in reality. I'm not bashing you directly, Matty...but so many people can rant and rave about the war and add "but I support the troops" to the end and think they're right because of it. If you don't show support to them or don't stand behind their missions...you don't really support them. It's like saying "I follow the law" and then don't pay your taxes because you disagree with them. If you don't support what the troops live and die for...the jobs they sacrifice and dedicate their lives to...you don't really support them. You can't hate what they believe in (right now it's fighting terrorists and removing governments who support them), then they won't see what you mean when you say you "support" them. Our brave soldiers support their leaders, so if you say you don't...you're disagreeing with everything our troops are fighting for and therefore can't say you support them. Sorry if the truth hurts. This thread is NOT the place to talk about your feelings towards the President and to have a political debate. It's meant to be a memorial and a tribute. To come in and say something like " However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war." is like playing Cindy Sheehan or that Westboro Baptist "church" and interrupting a funeral with protests. Keep up the great work SBF. If mods or anyone else is upset about my ranting and passion on this...I don't apologize. I DO support our troops and I'll fight for their good name when they're away fighting for my freedom. If we ever had the current popular attitude and the treasonous media and politicians during other wars, we'd be a third-world communist nation today. Look what the once rich and powerful Soviet Union has disintegrated to...because they didn't stand up and fight for their rights and freedom. The Chinese let their government take care of them and they avoid conflicts, but, they have no freedom. Those who have and still do fight and die to keep us free think the price is worth it. So do I. |
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I guess we'll have to just disagree then. I think you can support the troops without supporting the cause or the leaders behind this mess. To me there's a clear difference.
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[quote=Buster;326202]If you don't support what the troops are doing, you're not really supporting them.
People think they can justify themselves by saying the bumper-sticker phrase, "I support the troops but not the war". Do these people REALLY support the troops? What have you personally done to show them? I've sent phone cards to soldiers so they can call their families...bought them dinner when they return, sent care packages, supported charities that directly help them...THAT is supporting the troops. Words are nice but they don't do much in reality. I'm not bashing you directly, Matty...but so many people can rant and rave about the war and add "but I support the troops" to the end and think they're right because of it. If you don't show support to them or don't stand behind their missions...you don't really support them. It's like saying "I follow the law" and then don't pay your taxes because you disagree with them. If you don't support what the troops live and die for...the jobs they sacrifice and dedicate their lives to...you don't really support them. You can't hate what they believe in (right now it's fighting terrorists and removing governments who support them), then they won't see what you mean when you say you "support" them. Our brave soldiers support their leaders, so if you say you don't...you're disagreeing with everything our troops are fighting for and therefore can't say you support them. Sorry if the truth hurts. This thread is NOT the place to talk about your feelings towards the President and to have a political debate. It's meant to be a memorial and a tribute. To come in and say something like " However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war." is like playing Cindy Sheehan or that Westboro Baptist "church" and interrupting a funeral with protests. Keep up the great work SBF. If mods or anyone else is upset about my ranting and passion on this...I don't apologize. I DO support our troops and I'll fight for their good name when they're away fighting for my freedom. If we ever had the current popular attitude and the treasonous media and politicians during other wars, we'd be a third-world communist nation today. Look what the once rich and powerful Soviet Union has disintegrated to...because they didn't stand up and fight for their rights and freedom. The Chinese let their government take care of them and they avoid conflicts, but, they have no freedom. Those who have and still do fight and die to keep us free think the price is worth it. So do I.[/quote] But Buster, by you taking this very stance on the issue, indeed, further makes it a political thread. I think people are torn on the issue of war. It has split the nation. In fact, it's splitting Congress and the Senate as we speak. We have policy makers that backed Bush at the beginning, who are now getting hammered by their constituants back home, and they're now re-thinking the merrits, if any, of continuing on in Iraq. They no doubt still honor and support the troops, but the mission itself has, in fact, become a thorn in the side of this country. This is where we are, sadly. I'll say this, anytime you bring up President Bush's name, I don't care what the contex or the the title or intention of the thread, I'll guarantee you that it will stir some very heated responses. |
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And in a few years there will be heated debates about President Giuliani or Obama or whoever. Nature of the beast
However, Buster has represented one side and 12th the other. Now let's end it and get back to the original intent of the thread |
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[quote=Buster;326202]If you don't support what the troops are doing, you're not really supporting them.
People think they can justify themselves by saying the bumper-sticker phrase, "I support the troops but not the war". Do these people REALLY support the troops? What have you personally done to show them? I've sent phone cards to soldiers so they can call their families...bought them dinner when they return, sent care packages, supported charities that directly help them...THAT is supporting the troops. Words are nice but they don't do much in reality. I'm not bashing you directly, Matty...but so many people can rant and rave about the war and add "but I support the troops" to the end and think they're right because of it. If you don't show support to them or don't stand behind their missions...you don't really support them. It's like saying "I follow the law" and then don't pay your taxes because you disagree with them. If you don't support what the troops live and die for...the jobs they sacrifice and dedicate their lives to...you don't really support them. You can't hate what they believe in (right now it's fighting terrorists and removing governments who support them), then they won't see what you mean when you say you "support" them. Our brave soldiers support their leaders, so if you say you don't...you're disagreeing with everything our troops are fighting for and therefore can't say you support them. Sorry if the truth hurts. This thread is NOT the place to talk about your feelings towards the President and to have a political debate. It's meant to be a memorial and a tribute. To come in and say something like " However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war." is like playing Cindy Sheehan or that Westboro Baptist "church" and interrupting a funeral with protests. Keep up the great work SBF. If mods or anyone else is upset about my ranting and passion on this...I don't apologize. I DO support our troops and I'll fight for their good name when they're away fighting for my freedom. If we ever had the current popular attitude and the treasonous media and politicians during other wars, we'd be a third-world communist nation today. Look what the once rich and powerful Soviet Union has disintegrated to...because they didn't stand up and fight for their rights and freedom. The Chinese let their government take care of them and they avoid conflicts, but, they have no freedom. Those who have and still do fight and die to keep us free think the price is worth it. So do I.[/quote] Yes, what you are doing, the care packages, letters, and food is supporting the troops. It is more than i can say i am doing and more than most people do. That is a great thing. But, the fact that you agree or disagree with the war does not in any way affect your supporting the troops. If someone was completely against what is happening but still did the same amount of work you are doing, they are still supporting the troops as much as you do. How can you say that people who are against the actions of the leaders of this country are against the troops. All of them, only wish that the soldiers get out safely and moreso that they get out as soon as possible. Why do you think that many people want the war to end? Its because we SUPPORT THE TROOPS and don't want to see any more blood lost for issues that we don't agree with. Saying that we are against the soldiers because we don't agree with the decisions that our leaders are making is a horrible and extremely illogical thing to say. |
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Thanks for HATE-jacking yet another one of my positive intended threads.
I guess it's all the fuck about you guys and yer opinions. Some of ya'll make me fricking SICK. |
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[quote=BigSKINBauer;326209]Yes, what you are doing, the care packages, letters, and food is supporting the troops. It is more than i can say i am doing and more than most people do. That is a great thing. But, the fact that you agree or disagree with the war does not in any way affect your supporting the troops. If someone was completely against what is happening but still did the same amount of work you are doing, they are still supporting the troops as much as you do.
How can you say that people who are against the actions of the leaders of this country are against the troops. All of them, only wish that the soldiers get out safely and moreso that they get out as soon as possible. Why do you think that many people want the war to end? Its because we SUPPORT THE TROOPS and doen't want to see any more blood lost for issues that we don't agree with. Saying that we are against the soldiers because we don't agree with the decisions that our leaders are making is a horrible thing to say.[/quote] Well F'in said. I'll bow out on that note. Sorry for getting this thread sidetracked SBF, but I think unfortunately it's just the nature of this beast. It's hard to discuss one side without the other coming up. |
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[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;326211]Thanks for HATE-jacking yet another one of my positive intended threads.
I guess it's all the fuck about you guys and yer opinions. Some of ya'll make me fricking SICK.[/quote] Very christian-like. Wow. Was that really necessary?? ~shakes head and walks away. |
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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326213]Very christian-like.
Wow. Was that really necessary?? ~shakes head and walks away.[/QUOTE] Great now we're Christian bashing too. I'm not perfect and in fact I get on my knees every night and ask forgivness from Jesus. I'm not perfect like Jesus tho I am trying I also fail because I'm simply a man. Bash Jesus all you want Matt at the end you will answer to Him. Ya better hope you are right in your Christian bashing. |
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[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;326211]Thanks for HATE-jacking yet another one of my positive intended threads.
I guess it's all the fuck about you guys and yer opinions. Some of ya'll make me fricking SICK.[/quote] Seriously, man, what's the deal? Why is it always "your thread" and then F bombs start flying? I just can't get with that. |
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[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;326214]Great now we're Christian bashing too.
I'm not perfect and in fact I get on my knees every night and ask forgivness from Jesus. I'm not perfect like Jesus tho I am trying I also fail because I'm simply a man. Bash Jesus all you want Matt at the end you will answer to Him. Ya better hope you are right in your Christian bashing.[/quote] How am I bashing Jesus?? I'm just surprised that a man of faith can be so harsh in his language and reactions to his fellow man. |
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PFC. Steven Alexander Davis
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[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;326211]Thanks for HATE-jacking yet another one of my positive intended threads.
I guess it's all the fuck about you guys and yer opinions. Some of ya'll make me fricking SICK.[/quote] Do you think post's like buster's that'll tell people who disagree with the war that they are against the troops is fine? I am seriously asking because i don't know where you would stand on that. As of December only 37% of the country felt it was worth going to war. I am sure that number is down even more now. Are all of these people against the troops? Do we harbor ill will towards them? I stayed away from this thread even though i really really really wanted to respond when you said this [quote] I have two sons serving right now so I'm sorry to some folks but it's personal to me andworth 3 months to argue back for our President and Country. [/quote] I didn't post in response because of respect and the truth is no on here has said or done anything to dishonor those that have died. No one is going to ban you for supporting your country. I honestly feel the worst thing that we can do to the troops right now is to blindly follow and support the war. That is my opinion. I don't say that those that support the war hate the troops. I believe everyone wants what is best for them and we all just have different opinions on what is best. Again only 37% said the war was worth it in december. What "worth" do you think was measured? It is the worth of the lvies that we are losing. The worth of the lives of the friends and family most of us have in the effort. Why should we let the children of this country die for something that we don't feel is worth their lives? How does that make us less american? How does the fact that we want their lives to only be called upon when it is the last resort make us not support them?? |
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SBF, or anyone else know how many Purple Hearts have been awarded?
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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;326219]Do you think post's like buster's that'll tell people who disagree with the war that they are against the troops is fine? I am seriously asking because i don't know where you would stand on that.
I stayed away from this thread even though i really really really wanted to respond when you said this I didn't post in response because of respect and the truth is no on here has said or done anything to dishonor those that have died. No one is going to ban you for supporting your country. I honestly feel the worst thing that we can do to the troops right now is to blindly follow and support the war. That is my opinion. I don't say that those that support the war hate the troops. I believe everyone wants what is best for them and we all just have different opinions on what is best. Why should we let the children of this country die for something that we don't feel is worth their lives? How does that make us less american? How does the fact that we want their lives to only be called upon when it is the last resort make us not support them??[/QUOTE] Not one single one of you has taken the time to post even 1 local soldier which is what the thread is all about. In fact you still don't get it and continue cramming yer fricking point down my throat with longwinded BS. And ya'll wonder why I get mad. You show such a lack of respect for even just this ONE GUY. Meet me at Arlington and you can tell his Mom all this if you think it's so dadgone important. [IMG]http://www.boastingrights.com/mike/herostevendavis.jpg[/IMG] |
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In fact guys email his Mother Tess. I did and this is what is in the email I got.
[quote]She has given me permission to pass on her email address ( [email]tesswild@hotmail.com[/email]) and said that she finds the emails very comforting, and will pass them on to her son's wife as well[/quote] I mean the stuff was so important you posted in her son's thread so it must be important enough for her to hear. |
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Heading out but wanted to say if I didn't think it would make Tess sick to her stomach and be more pain than she could imagine I would sent her the link to this warpath.net thread.
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[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;326222]Not one single one of you has taken the time to post even 1 local soldier which is what the thread is all about. In fact you still don't get it and continue cramming yer fricking point down my throat with longwinded BS.
And ya'll wonder why I get mad. You show such a lack of respect for even just this ONE GUY. Meet me at Arlington and you can tell his Mom all this if you think it's so dadgone important. [IMG]http://www.boastingrights.com/mike/herostevendavis.jpg[/IMG][/quote] I would gladly post soldiers that have died for respect of them. No one else did either so don't throw the blame on me or other that disagree with the war. I think it is a great idea to respect all local soldiers that have died in a thread. The thing is i think many of us were respecting the soldier you posted and didn't understand your intention of the thread. But i think you got it backwards, i think you all should be telling the parents of soldiers that died why THE WAR is so important. Tell those that disagree with the war that their sons and daughters are fighting because all options were expensed and this was all that was left. War is a last resort. |
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I would gladly tell anyone that their children are brave and i respect THEM for their sacrifice allowing my family, friends, and I to enjoy the life we do. I hold them to the highest regard and I feel they should be honored as heros. I do not feel the political decision that are made are correct but regardless of issues the soldiers fought for this country. That is why i respect them. They fight when we ask them to. They put their lives on hold and unfortunately give them to protect us. Nothing i can say or do will ever match their sacrafice and that is why they are brave.
The only thing is that they do so much for us and the responsibility we have is to call upon them only when we have nothing else left to do. I feel we only call upon them we have failed in all other aspects and must call upon our heros for help. We have a responsibility to them and because of this we disagree with the administration. What don't you understand SBF? Agree with bush= honor the troops more? |
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Lance Cpl. Patrick R. Adle Baltimore, Maryland 21 Detatchment 3, Engineer Support Company, 6th Engineer Support Battalion, 4th Force Service Support Group, Marine Forces Reserve |
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i do encourage everyone to hold to what SBF intended this thread to be. I think many of us missed the point. I will only say that not one person who replied in this thread has any ill will to the troops or their families. We all respect them and that respect for what they do is what causes disagreements and the disagreements cause discussion which i think is what this country is all about. I will not post any more about this issue in this thread. But if anyone wants further discussion just start up another thread or we'll talk in a different thread because i can definitely have a long and respectful conversation about this. So again i encourage everyone to post a soldier that you know or anyone in your community that has died to protect us.
Again Mike, if you need any help Aug. 15th i told you i would try and help. If you would still have me, just keep us updated. Being a wednesday i should be able to get on out but if I can't make it let us know if we can donate some money. I don't make much but i'll give you what i can. I am headed back to college the following week so it is a busy time but if you keep us updated i'll definitely keep you updated if i can come. |
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SBF
Great thread. You were able to do and say what I was trying to but lacked the resources and correct words to do so. Thanks a lot. Mike |
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Hey BigMouthBaure.
[quote]I would gladly tell anyone that their children are brave and i respect THEM for their sacrifice allowing my family, friends, and I to enjoy the life we do. I hold them to the highest regard and I feel they should be honored as heros.[/quote] CC me when you get balls enough to email her or if you plan on meeting me at her son's funneral. Until then you are a big mouth child. Get a clue and grow up on Mommy and Daddy's money and Our serving childrens freedom they give you. Yes, I'm lossing respect for you. Sorry but true. You would not have the balls to say all of this BS to me in person and I see that about you. It makes your words even more shallow and meaningless. peace to you any way mike |
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BSB. I implore you not to respond to SBF. He has issues, can't read and should be ignored
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