Redskins have the worst defensive line in the league
 

So says Scouts Inc.

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[B]32. [/B][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"][B][COLOR=#000000]Washington Redskins[/COLOR][/B][/URL]
Six-year veteran [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5454"][COLOR=#000000]Andre Carter[/COLOR][/URL] is the most solid player on the defensive line. He has been surrounded by underachievers and aging athletes. Carter has excellent quickness off the edge but has never been a physical player versus the run. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3634"][COLOR=#000000]Phillip Daniels[/COLOR][/URL] is on the backside of his career and does not have much playmaking ability. Backup ends [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5710"][COLOR=#000000]Demetric Evans[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3924"][COLOR=#000000]Renaldo Wynn[/COLOR][/URL] have shown little playmaking ability throughout their careers. Defensive tackles [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5071"][COLOR=#000000]Cornelius Griffin[/COLOR][/URL] underachieved in 2006 and has been an inconsistent performer much of his career. Rookie sixth-round pick [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7945"][COLOR=#000000]Kedric Golston[/COLOR][/URL] and backup [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4336"][COLOR=#000000]Joe Salave'a[/COLOR][/URL] play hard but don't have the tools to be impact players. The Redskins didn't address the defensive line deficiencies in the 2007 draft. Instead they tried to plug holes with veteran retreads.

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:vomit:

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It's hard to argue with that analysis, honestly. I disagree because I think the whole defense will pick it up this year and everyone will start playing better, but can anyone really argue with the points he makes here? If so, I'd love to hear it.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;329261]It's hard to argue with that analysis, honestly. I disagree because I think the whole defense will pick it up this year and everyone will start playing better, but can anyone really argue with the points he makes here? If so, I'd love to hear it.[/QUOTE]


He bases his arguments of 2006 performances, when 75% of the line was injured or playing hurt. Seems to me that 2-3 years ago, we had a very promising D-Line (everyone was healthy).

No one can argue that our pass rush sucked last year - but don't forget that our DB situation is much, much improved with serious depth: Springs, Smoot, Rogers, Maklin & Butler at CB and Taylor, Landry, Prioleau & Stoutmire at Safety. And don't forget the ever-versatile ADE at both!

Seriously, you can't tell me that the improved coverage won't lead to more time for our DE's to get to the Quarterback. IMO, if you want to improve pass rush, you can attack it from two persectives, better rushers or better coverage - the Skins went coverage.

D-Line is surely not the strength of our team, but we've got some promising young DT's and enough talent at DE to be effective with our improved DB coverage.

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if anyone disagrees with this, they aren't watching the same redskins

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Yawn. Let them all keep talking. :blah: If are D can play as one unit then hopefully are secondary will help solve this problem like they have under G.W up until last year. All I can say is the season can’t come soon enough so we can start :spank: some people.

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this year will be different..i,m tired of hearing what other so called experts think about the skins ..

only the skins know how good they can be...

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hey ajfc, welcome back. where the heck have you been hiding?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;329278]hey ajfc, welcome back. where the heck have you been hiding?[/QUOTE]


Hiding in the boredom that has been this off-season...

... I keep wanting to start a Portis vs. Betts thread, but everyone keeps beating me to the punch. Damn.

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Figured that was going to happen. No arguments from me on that ranking. Until they prove otherwise on the field they deserve that. I hope it ends up in every DL's welcome to training camp package from GW.

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Injuries, injuries, injuries. I suppose I have more faith in the DL than scouts Inc. Griffin is a stud and if he stays health that line will be rock solid. I'd be disappointed if we aren't in the top 10 defense this upcoming season.

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[QUOTE=saden1;329301]Injuries, injuries, injuries. I suppose I have more faith in the DL than scouts Inc. Griffin is a stud and if he stays health that line will be rock solid. I'd be disappointed if we aren't in the top 10 defense this upcoming season.[/QUOTE]

My problem is that I don't believe he or Springs are going to stay healthy for many games again this year. I have 0 faith in him now. Call it bad luck if you want, but he's been injury prone every year. He's got to be a difference maker if the D line is going to be any good this year.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;329273]He bases his arguments of 2006 performances, when 75% of the line was injured or playing hurt. Seems to me that 2-3 years ago, we had a very promising D-Line (everyone was healthy).[/quote]Not sure promising is the right word. I think they were very good, but only bound to be deteriorated by age.

The cap experts were right, but not for the reasons they thought they were. This team is old, and financially dependant on those old guys. Not capped out as everyone thought they would be (of course, next year, we'll be both).

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I have to laugh when people try to defend our defensive line by what they did 2-3 years ago.

I'm through bitching about it though. Hopefully I'm wrong and Griffin, Wynn, Daniels and Salave'a have stumbled upon the Fountain of Youth sometime during the offseason.

That's the only thing we can hope for at this point.

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This analysis is most likely correct, but very simplistic in its nature. I don't think I learned anything I didn't already know from reading this report.

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I think it's a good thing for the D line to get a dead last ranking because you know that they will hear about it and it's pretty embarassing to be called the worst so I figure they will be very well motivated to prove that this ranking is not at all justified. If they were ranked 30th it might be easier to brush off, but last is last and these guys could probably use some fire.

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Damn, he right.Daniels and Wynn are like 80, and suck (seriously why havent we cut them now?) Griffin is always injured. Golston and Carter are the only promising players on tha d line.

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The secondary situation has greatly improved as has our linebacking, and that will reverberate in terms of what the defensive line will be able to do.

In passing situations, we have Marcus Washington (proven pass rusher) and Andre Carter (came on strong last year after switching from linebacker).

At tackle, Griffin has been excellent when healthy. He's healthy.

Anthony Montgomery has great talent and ability. Last year he was a rookie and it was a learning experience. I think he will show something big this year.

Kedric Golston has a lot of energy and ability and he is coming off a rookie season where he moved into a starting role. He will only be better this year.

Philip Daniels is healthy again and will only have to play in running situations.

Renaldo Wynn has always been a very competent and solid player, and is a good veteran to have as a backup in my view.

Joe Salavea has been hurt; we'll see how he does in a backup role now that he's healthy.

I have been hoping to hear some good news about Justin Hickman from UCLA, who we signed as a free agent. He is promising at least for the future.

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Someone write that synopsis on some toilet paper so I can wipe my ass with it.

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Well, I don't think the author gives a fair evaluation of Griffin, who while underachieving for a stretch with the Giants, has been pretty dominant with us when healthy. Second, I don't get the feeling he has really studied or understands the potential of Golston and Montgomery, who I think both have a chance to play solidly this season. We lack depth and we won't be dominant, but I think that we have enough talent to be more than adequate.

One final point. In 2004 people looked at the Skins defense and saw the Dline as our weakness, predicting we would give up tons of yards on the ground. In fact, we were ranked as one of the top rush defenses all season, and finished ranked third overall in total defense. The point I am making is not that this is 2004, but that 2004 proves that when you have a defense clicking as a unit it can make up for a lot of things, including a lack of big time names up front.

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I dont think that we have the worst

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;329338]This analysis is most likely correct, [B]but very simplistic in its nature.[/B] I don't think I learned anything I didn't already know from reading this report.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes, it's just that simple.

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[quote=Mattyk72;329258]So says Scouts Inc.

Link: [URL]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2935257[/URL]

[B]32. [/B][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"][B][COLOR=#000000]Washington Redskins[/COLOR][/B][/URL]
Six-year veteran [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5454"][COLOR=#000000]Andre Carter[/COLOR][/URL] is the most solid player on the defensive line. He has been surrounded by underachievers and aging athletes. Carter has excellent quickness off the edge but has never been a physical player versus the run. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3634"][COLOR=#000000]Phillip Daniels[/COLOR][/URL] is on the backside of his career and does not have much playmaking ability. Backup ends [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5710"][COLOR=#000000]Demetric Evans[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3924"][COLOR=#000000]Renaldo Wynn[/COLOR][/URL] have shown little playmaking ability throughout their careers. Defensive tackles [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5071"][COLOR=#000000]Cornelius Griffin[/COLOR][/URL] underachieved in 2006 and has been an inconsistent performer much of his career. Rookie sixth-round pick [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7945"][COLOR=#000000]Kedric Golston[/COLOR][/URL] and backup [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4336"][COLOR=#000000]Joe Salave'a[/COLOR][/URL] play hard but don't have the tools to be impact players. The Redskins didn't address the defensive line deficiencies in the 2007 draft. Instead they tried to plug holes with veteran retreads.[/quote]

[COLOR=black]Funny how we go from having the 3rd ranked D to this? Andre Carter was a joke until mid-year last year when he actually started to play - so he is our best player now? It was a bad year last year, but that means we suck now?? It's all so stupid, and this guy had to think of something to write about to fill his boring day. I hope our D makes ESPN eat their words…. I’m confident they will. [/COLOR]

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i think the way people on this board look at C. Griffith, and the way the rest of the league looks at him, is totally different

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[quote=dmek25;329893]i think the way people on this board look at[B] C. Griffith,[/B] and the way the rest of the league looks at him, is totally different[/quote]
Is he any relation to Andy?

And good morning to you sir!

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sorry about the spelling:) and good morning. hope the kids are well

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[quote=dmek25;329893]i think the way people on this board look at C. Griffith, and the way the rest of the league looks at him, is totally different[/quote]


Griffin when healthy is a very solid presence up front. JUst has had injuries the past 2 seasons.

And GM everyone!

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[quote=dmek25;329904]sorry about the spelling:) and good morning. hope the kids are well[/quote]
They are just fine. I got my son(18 months) saying "Go REDSKINS" all the time now. It comes out more like "o ehsins" but I really like the effort. He is "Super Smart".


Edit: And GM to you as well MR. Quake! How are things in NC this morning?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;329274]if anyone disagrees with this, they aren't watching the same redskins[/QUOTE]

I couldnt have said it better myself.

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[quote=wilsowilso;329360]I think it's a good thing for the D line to get a dead last ranking because you know that they will hear about it and it's pretty embarassing to be called the worst so I figure they will be very well motivated to prove that this ranking is not at all justified. If they were ranked 30th it might be easier to brush off, but last is last and these guys could probably use some fire.[/quote]

Greg Williams has got to be pissed.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;329908]They are just fine. I got my son(18 months) saying "Go REDSKINS" all the time now. It comes out more like "o ehsins" but I really like the effort. He is "Super Smart".


Edit: And GM to you as well MR. Quake! How are things in NC this morning?[/quote]


good my cousin is pissed cause he cant find a copy of NCAA.

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I still haven't heard anyone argue the fact that our secondary will significantly bolster our pass rush:



[QUOTE][/QUOTE][COLOR="DarkRed"][I]No one can argue that our pass rush sucked last year - but don't forget that our DB situation is much, much improved with serious depth: Springs, Smoot, Rogers, Maklin & Butler at CB and Taylor, Landry, Prioleau & Stoutmire at Safety. And don't forget the ever-versatile ADE at both!

Seriously, you can't tell me that the improved coverage won't lead to more time for our DE's to get to the Quarterback. IMO, if you want to improve pass rush, you can attack it from two persectives, better rushers or better coverage - the Skins went coverage.[/I][/COLOR][QUOTE][/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;329258]The Redskins didn't address the defensive line deficiencies in the 2007 draft. Instead they tried to plug holes with veteran retreads.[/QUOTE]
This is really the only thing that I have a problem with. How was the team supposed to address the D-line in the draft? The FO took the best player available who also filled a big hole; and after that we didn't get to pick again until the next day. If we turned down some trades or something like that I'd see what they're saying but as it went I actually think the FO did the right thing (wow, I can't believe I said that).

I bet that if we had drafted Okoye or Anderson Scouts Inc would have said we were dumb for not addressing our weak secondary in the draft.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;329953]This is really the only thing that I have a problem with. How was the team supposed to address the D-line in the draft? The FO took the best player available who also filled a big hole; and after that we didn't get to pick again until the next day. If we turned down some trades or something like that I'd see what they're saying but as it went I actually think the FO did the right thing (wow, I can't believe I said that).

I bet that if we had drafted Okoye or Anderson Scouts Inc would have said we were dumb for not addressing our weak secondary in the draft.[/QUOTE]

I understand your frustration with the commentary, but how important were the picks of Blades, Sartz, and Palmer (especially Palmer)? I think they should have used some second day picks on the D Line.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;329957]I understand your frustration with the commentary, but how important were the picks of Blades, Sartz, and Palmer (especially Palmer)? I think they should have used some second day picks on the D Line.[/QUOTE]

Sure, but would any one that they picked up with the second day picks be that much better than Golsten or Montgomery? It would have been nice for future depth, which we clearly need, but I don't think we would have picked up 3 studs.
Plus, from what people have said it sounds like Sartz could be a steal. On the ohter hand, Palmer was probably a waste of a pick.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;329960] Palmer was probably a waste of a pick.[/QUOTE]

Palmer was a complete waste of a pick. Clearly our biggest draft mistake was not moving up in the 6th round to pick Mason Crosby as our kicker of the future. I mean, Suisham? WTF? Does anyone know if Vanderjagt is still out there to pick up? Nothing like losing close games with a crappy kicker.

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We had the worst stats of any defense and no sacks last year. We turned around and did nothing personel wise to address the defensive line. By now this league thinks Gibbs has lost his marbles and this is another poke in the ribs.

Where did you expect them to rank our line?

I'm still loyal to Gibbs and company knowing that they can win with what they had.

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The only problem with this is it assumes that the guy who wrote it (mr. anonymous...) is a better coach/talent scout than either Joe Gibbs or Gregg Williams. I don't believe that to be true, or he (probably actually she...) would be making $2 million a year coaching instead of making $35k working for espn.

But if I was rating journalists I would say that espn has the worst in the USA.

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[QUOTE=sbaughone;329969]The only problem with this is it assumes that the guy who wrote it (mr. anonymous...) is a better coach/talent scout than either Joe Gibbs or Gregg Williams. I don't believe that to be true, or he (probably actually she...) would be making $2 million a year coaching instead of making $35k working for espn.

But if I was rating journalists I would say that espn has the worst in the USA.[/QUOTE]

I take offense to that.

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Remember people this is the time of year when pro football fans start to lose their minds. Keep the peace.