Breaking News: Barry Bonds Hits 756
 

Against the Nats on ESPN.

Hank Aaron tapes a pre- recorded message played at the ballpark congratalating Bonds in a very classy move.

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I said it before and I'll say it again:
[SIZE="7"]BOOOOOOOO[/SIZE]

Today is a huge black eye on baseball and it will forever be there until this travesty is broken or discredited.

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Congrats Barry.

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That SOB hit it on the one at bat where I wasnt watching. But Congrats Barry. Enjoy it! Until A-Rod breaks it.

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Think Griffey breaks it first?

I think Griffey can hit 756 if he plays 4-5 more years, but if Bonds doesn't retire after this year, I think he will have too many for Griffey to catch.

A Rod could hit 900 homers if he plays to Bonds' current age. That's like 11 more seasons for A-Rod. Concievably, we could be sitting here in September of 2012 when a 37 year old A Rod sets the record and wonder how many more hundreds of homers hes going to hit.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;337486]Think Griffey breaks it first?

I think Griffey can hit 756 if he plays 4-5 more years, but if Bonds doesn't retire after this year, I think he will have too many for Griffey to catch.

A Rod could hit 900 homers if he plays to Bonds' current age. That's like 11 more seasons for A-Rod. Concievably, we could be sitting here in September of 2012 when a 37 year old A Rod sets the record and wonder how many more hundreds of homers hes going to hit.[/QUOTE]


Griffey is going to be 38 in November. He still has 11 more homers to go before he hits 600. At the moment he is right about on pace to hit 600 by season's end. Assuming he does that, and assuming Bonds hits 10 more, he will have to hit 166 homers. If he's lucky, he has 3 more years left in him, and given his injury prone nature and the fact he plays in the NL, I am not sure he could play a full 3 more season. But assuming he does, he will need to hit over 55 homers a year.
A-rod won't play until he's Bonds age, cause Bonds is only still playing because of steroids. But A-Rod should beat it.

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[quote=jsarno;337496]Griffey is going to be 38 in November. He still has 11 more homers to go before he hits 600. At the moment he is right about on pace to hit 600 by season's end. Assuming he does that, and assuming Bonds hits 10 more, he will have to hit 166 homers. If he's lucky, he has 3 more years left in him, and given his injury prone nature and the fact he plays in the NL, I am not sure he could play a full 3 more season. But assuming he does, he will need to hit over 55 homers a year.
A-rod won't play until he's Bonds age, cause Bonds is only still playing because of steroids. But A-Rod should beat it.[/quote]I think Griffey can play more than 3 more seasons if hes closing in on a record.

That's what Bonds did.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;337507]I think Griffey can play more than 3 more seasons if hes closing in on a record.

That's what Bonds did.[/QUOTE]

Again, Bonds shot up, that's how he made it.
Griffey will not be healthy enough.
Look at these numbers:
2000, 145 gms, 40 hrs
2001, 111 gms, 22 hrs
2002, 70 gms, 8 hrs
2003, 53 gms, 13 hrs
2004, 83 gms, 20 hrs
2005, 128 gms, 35 hrs
2006, 109 gms, 27 hrs
2007, 103 gms, 26 hrs
He hasn't been healthy for over 150 games since he was 29 in 1999. He has played in 803 games over 8 seasons, and hit 191 homers. Which means he hits a homer every .237858 games. Considering he is only averaging 100.375 games per season, that means he should average 24 homers per season from here on out (again, on average). That means it would take him almost 7 seasons to reach 766 (assuming Bonds stops at around 766). So he'll be almost 45 by the time this happens.
Even if he hits 35 homers a year, it will still take him close to 5 seasons to beat it. That will put him at close to 43. Considering that Bonds 73 homers after the age of 40 is a record for anyone over 40, I don't think Griffey has that ability unless he's on the juice too.

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[url=http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=3623916&ch=207401&src=sports]Yahoo![/url]

I love watching that over and over again. Bons is may favorite player right now.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;337481][B]That SOB hit it on the one at bat where I wasnt watchin[/B]g. But Congrats Barry. Enjoy it! Until A-Rod breaks it.[/quote]

me too! no joke.

i'm happy for barry.

and let me say his daughter, not the youngest one but the one that had the youngest one on her back is FINE as HELL

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[quote=dall-assblows;337530]me too! no joke.

i'm happy for barry.

and let me say his daughter, not the youngest one but the one that had the youngest one on her back is FINE as HELL[/quote]


you arent kidding man!

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Isn't she something like 16 years old?

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[quote=SmootSmack;337536]Isn't she something like 16 years old?[/quote]


I am 18 no harm no foul there.

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hey man i'm just sayin. some of these kids on this site might be initerested in her. haha

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;337541]I am 18 no harm no foul there.[/QUOTE]

Depends on what state you'd be in on that one.
New Mexico would lock you up, as would Massachusetts.

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Homerun record-*Barry Bonds

*Although he has hit mor ehomeruns then anyone else, it is widely thought that he used illegal preformance inhancing substances.

there will always be an *

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[QUOTE=Redskin;337561]Homerun record-*Barry Bonds

*Although he has hit mor ehomeruns then anyone else, it is widely thought that he used illegal preformance inhancing substances.

there will always be an *[/QUOTE]

That's the way it should be.

So what's going to happen when the grand jury comes after him and convicts him of drug related issues?

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ok then there should be and * on A-rod's numbers as well because they say he may have used PIDs says jose canseco.

it isnt fair to have an * if they havent proven ANYTHING at ALL

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[quote=dall-assblows;337568]ok then there should be and * on A-rod's numbers as well because they say he may have used PIDs says jose canseco.

it isnt fair to have an * if they havent proven ANYTHING at ALL[/quote]


Yea but the guy that could testify and lock him up wont testify and spending his time in jail for bonds, that pretty incrimating stuff if you ask me. Why else would he refuse to testify.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;337568]ok then there should be and * on A-rod's numbers as well because they say he may have used PIDs says jose canseco.

it isnt fair to have an * if they havent proven ANYTHING at ALL[/QUOTE]

#1- what's a PID?
#2- Bonds ADMITTED to taking the steroids, just he says he used them "unknowingly" thinking that it was flax seed oil. Is admission not proof?
#3- All the books and accusations are not false.

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[QUOTE=Redskin;337572]Yea but the guy that could testify and lock him up wont testify and spending his time in jail for bonds, that pretty incrimating stuff if you ask me. Why else would he refuse to testify.[/QUOTE]


Absolutely.
He will be taken down. The government will get him, just like they got Vick.

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[quote=jsarno;337577]#1- what's a PID?
#2- Bonds ADMITTED to taking the steroids, just he says he used them "unknowingly" thinking that it was flax seed oil. Is admission not proof?
#3- All the books and accusations are not false.[/quote]

Preformance enhancing drugs. and #2 is wrong because he never admitted to using steriods at all, if i recall correctly he said he put something in his body which was never found to be steriods, could of been flax seed oil for all we know. plus how can you say he used steriods when he has never failed a single drug test, never been fined by the league, or never suspended? if the league knew he used steriods dont you think Bud Selieg would be the first to come out and say "Bonds is a cheater, erase everything"? i do.

And why are you saying that all books and accusations are not false when you have absolutly no idea if they are or not, canseco would write anything to sell a book, heck, wouldnt you? if some publisher came to you and said "you say your co-worker stole from the company and we will give you millions" you wouldnt take him up on that offer? well maybe you wouldnt but a dirty POS like jose canseco sure as hell would.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;337585]Preformance enhancing drugs. and #2 is wrong because he never admitted to using steriods at all, if i recall correctly he said he put something in his body which was never found to be steriods, could of been flax seed oil for all we know. plus how can you say he used steriods when he has never failed a single drug test, never been fined by the league, or never suspended? if the league knew he used steriods dont you think Bud Selieg would be the first to come out and say "Bonds is a cheater, erase everything"? i do.

And why are you saying that all books and accusations are not false when you have absolutly no idea if they are or not, canseco would write anything to sell a book, heck, wouldnt you? if some publisher came to you and said "you say your co-worker stole from the company and we will give you millions" you wouldnt take him up on that offer? well maybe you wouldnt but a dirty POS like jose canseco sure as hell would.[/QUOTE]

Well, Canseco is not a reputable person if you ask me, but all his finger pointing did come true, so there must be something to it. How about the book "Game of Shadows"?
About #2, excuse me, but he did admit to taking it to a grand jury, just said it was flaxseed oil. He "unknowingly took it", which is an admission.
Also, the players union could hide a drug test on the first offense, that was part of the agreement. I don't know if they still have that now, but it was like that in the old CBA. So he could have tested positive, we don't know...#2 on this, the "clear" which is what Bonds was taking, will not come up as positive on tests.
The evidence is overwhelming. He's more guilty of taking steroids than OJ was of killing Nicole.

By the way, you bring up Selig...why do you think he has not been active in this Bonds chase? He released a statement saying congrats to bonds, but in it, he touches upon the fact that the investigation is still going on. I think Selig knows more than anyone at this point, but he is going to wait until every little bit of evidence is presented. Trust me, Bonds will go down. It's just a matter of time. Then what do we do with the tainted record when he is taken down?

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;337568]ok then there should be and * on A-rod's numbers as well because they say he may have used PIDs says jose canseco.

it isnt fair to have an * if they havent proven ANYTHING at ALL[/QUOTE]

In terms of a PED and A-Rod, nothing has been said or written yet. Canseco is using this as publicity for his next book. There might be something, there might not be.
If there is, Baseball is really skrewed cause that will mean that home run leader is tainted, and the guy annointed to pass him is tainted.
I have difficulty thinking A-Rod did for 1 reason, he's always healthy.

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this is America, people. Barry Bonds was not tried and found guilty of anything. while i hate the guy for being an ass, its his record, and not a whole lot mlb can do about it. and that had to be about the most classless thing anyone could do, Bud Selig staying away. and the only reason, is his ties to Henry Aaron. what a moron Selig is

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[quote=dmek25;337602]this is America, people. Barry Bonds was not tried and found guilty of anything. while i hate the guy for being an ass, its his record, and not a whole lot mlb can do about it. and that had to be about the most classless thing anyone could do, Bud Selig staying away. and the only reason, is his ties to Henry Aaron. what a moron Selig is[/quote]

I agree, dmek, Bud Selig may have some major differences with Bonds but the fact is Bonds is a huge part of what is keeping baseball from slipping farther down in popularity.

For me, I wasn't too excited about him hitting it. Due to overall increase, homeruns are not as exciting as they once were. I remember going to baseball games as a kid and teenager [I][B]hoping[/B][/I] to see a homerun, now I go to games [I][B]expecting[/B][/I] to see 3 or 4.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;337610]I agree, dmek, Bud Selig may have some major differences with Bonds but the fact is Bonds is a huge part of what is keeping baseball from slipping farther down in popularity.[/quote]

I disagree with that statement. People are fed up with baseball and their cheating ways. These home runs are just a nail in the coffin to many a pure baseball fan. We are watching the slow demise of baseball, and until Selig does something about it, it will continue to decline. I understand Selig wanting to gather the evidence first, but he allowed this farse to take place, and won't be able to take it back once Bonds is "officially" guilty.
People who saw, or were around when Aaron broke the record, will be lost because cause they smell what MLB is shovelling.

[quote]For me, I wasn't too excited about him hitting it. Due to overall increase, homeruns are not as exciting as they once were. I remember going to baseball games as a kid and teenager [I][B]hoping[/B][/I] to see a homerun, now I go to games [I][B]expecting[/B][/I] to see 3 or 4.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that.
You know, I miss real baseball. Sacrificing a player, running the bases with intelligence, playing outstanding defense etc. I'm tired of the long ball. As far as i know, it's all tainted.

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I love baseball. But it's been "tainted" for decades. Black Sox scandal, segregated teams, rampant drug (talking stuff like cocaine) abuse.

All the problems baseball has should not fall on Barry's shoulders.

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[QUOTE=Buster Olney]
No comparing Bonds across eras
posted: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 | Feedback | Print Entry

The number he has generated is so overwhelming that, at first glance, you don't really think about the advantages of science that he had over players from other generations. What you think about is the enormity of what he accomplished, when compared with others in his era. Playing in the same parks, with the same rules, with the same science as all the players of his time, he managed to compile a staggering statistic, accomplishing something over 100 times more than anybody of his generation.

But can we fairly compare Cy Young and his 511 victories with Sandy Koufax and his 165 victories? Or with Roger Clemens, who has 159 fewer wins than Young? We want to, but we really cannot. Apples and oranges. Different time, different ballparks, different game. Different science, in the way baseballs were constructed and maintained and replaced.

Can we fairly compare Barry Bonds and his 756 homers with the accomplishments of Ty Cobb, who played in the deadball era and hit a total of 117 homers? Or with Babe Ruth, who played when the sport was segregated? Or with Hank Aaron, whose home ballpark, for years, was smaller than Bonds' home park? Can we fairly compare Bonds with players of other generations, given the advances of science that allegedly have aided him? Nope. Different time, different game, different science. Apples and oranges.

After the game, Bonds was asked whether his home run record is tainted, and he answered bluntly. "This record is not tainted at all," he said. "At all. Period." That is what he believes. Either way, the word "steroids" is going to appear in the first two paragraphs of Bonds' obituary -- fairly or not, whether you like it or not.

But the number Bonds has generated overwhelms those produced by others of his time -- and many of his peers have probably competed with the same scientific advantages that Bonds likely has had. Sammy Sosa ranks second in home runs among players of what will always be called the steroid era, with 604 homers, 152 fewer than Bonds.

Bonds is the best player of his era. Is he better than Aaron? Better than Ruth? Better than Ted Williams or Cobb? I don't know. Apples and oranges. We do know that Bonds has hit more home runs than anybody in history, just as Cy Young has the most victories. Baseball fans must decide for themselves.[/QUOTE]

From an article on ESPN Insider.

Buster makes some very good points.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;337699]I love baseball. But it's been "tainted" for decades. Black Sox scandal, segregated teams, rampant drug (talking stuff like cocaine) abuse.

All the problems baseball has should not fall on Barry's shoulders.[/QUOTE]

Baseball has not been tainted for years. There have been ramifications for those actions, look at shoeless Joe being banned from baseball and he may not have been part of it. There will always be bad things that happen in any sport, but that doesn't mean it's tainted. If they are allowed to get away with it and turn a blind eye from the officials, then it becomes tainted.

It doesn't all fall on Barry's shoulders. I agree with that. He is just the head of the issue. His story is more entrenched in controversy than ANYONE. He had to go in front of a grand jury, how many other active players have had to do that? Bonds put himself in the forefront of this issue, and he should be the first to be taken down.

When you talk about a team that cheated, you think the White Sox (black sox scandal), when you think of gambling in baseball, you think of Pete Rose, when you think of steroids and benefitting from steroids, you think of Barry Bonds. Were the White Sox the only team that threw a series, probably not. Was Pete Rose the only player / manager that ever bet on baseball, hell no. Was Barry the only player to ever take roids...HELL NO. That still doesn't take away from the fact that they are the poster children.

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[quote=jdlea;337700]From an article on ESPN Insider.

Buster makes some very good points.[/quote]

[SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkRed][B]You have incredible foresight. :D[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]



I wish they hadn't "fixed" it so he'd hit it at home. I wish they'd just let him play and let it happen when and where it would have. I would've LOVED to see it happen at Dodger Stadium.

But no, the big juiced monster would have his feelings hurt if he's booed, which would happen EVERYWHERE except for SF.

It doesn't matter. On paper, Bonds may be ahead of Hammerin' Hank, but in my mind, Aaron is still the "Home Run King". He didn't need to cheat to achieve his greatness. Bonds, although always a jerk, WAS a great player before he decided to juice, but without the steroids, there is no way he'd be anywhere near 756. Bonds was arrogant enough to say there is no controversy with his record. [IMG]http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/IMG]


Barry Bonds:

1986 PIT 16
1987 PIT 25
1988 PIT 24
1989 PIT 19
1990 PIT 33
1991 PIT 25
1992 PIT 34
1993 SF 46
1994 SF 37
1995 SF 33
1996 SF 42
1997 SF 40
1998 SF 37
1999 SF 34
[B] 2000 SF 49*
2001 SF 73*
2002 SF 46*
2003 SF 45*
2004 SF 45*[/B]
2005 SF 5
2006 SF 26
2007 SF 22

[B]* = We know what happened in these years. [IMG]http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/IMG][/B]

[U][I]Beginning of career --> End of career[/I][/U]

[IMG]http://blog.dairytwist.org/images/blog/bonds1.jpg[/IMG] --> [IMG]http://121gigawatts.blogspot.com/bonds.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.nwcn.com/sports/stories/M_IMAGE.1009386cd18.93.88.fa.7c.5f69b6a.jpg[/IMG]


Hank Aaron:

1954 Braves 13
1955 Braves 27
1956 Braves 26
1957 Braves 44
1958 Braves 30
1959 Braves 39
1960 Braves 40
1961 Braves 34
1962 Braves 45
1963 Braves 44
1964 Braves 24
1965 Braves 32
1966 Braves 44
1967 Braves 39
1968 Braves 29
1969 Braves 44
1970 Braves 38
1971 Braves 47
1972 Braves 34
1973 Braves 40
1974 Braves 20
1975 Brewers 12
1976 Brewers 10

[U][I]Beginning of career --> End of career[/I][/U]

[IMG]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4690/aaronbatkf9.jpg[/IMG] --> [IMG]http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/07/19/vtyxJ3Jd.jpg[/IMG]





Notice Aaron's consistency throughout his career as opposed to Bonds'.

But wait... [IMG]http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

[URL="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/mlb_credits_hank_aaron_with_50"]MLB Credits Hank Aaron With 50 Lost Home Runs[/URL]

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I believe Sheffield and Giambi also testified in front of a grand jury (among others)

Baseball has started (finally) testing for steroids and taking action against players who test positive. Several players have tested positive and been punished, but Bonds has not been one of them.

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[QUOTE=Buster]It doesn't matter. On paper, Bonds may be ahead of Hammerin' Hank, but in my mind, Aaron is still the "Home Run King". He didn't need to cheat to achieve his greatness.[/QUOTE]

I heard Mike Schmidt (I think) once say that if the drugs and supplements that are available now were available when he was playing he is certain he would have taken them. I wonder if Aaron would have done the same.

But anyhow, one thing that really ticks me off is all these people saying what a great person and player Hank Aaron is/was when I'm sure many of these same people are the same ones sending him hate mail and death threats because he was an African-Amercian shattering the treasured record of Babe Ruth (who was no saint himself)

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[QUOTE=Buster;337707][SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkRed][B]You have incredible foresight. :D[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]



I wish they hadn't "fixed" it so he'd hit it at home. I wish they'd just let him play and let it happen when and where it would have. I would've LOVED to see it happen at Dodger Stadium.

But no, the big juiced monster would have his feelings hurt if he's booed, which would happen EVERYWHERE except for SF.

It doesn't matter. On paper, Bonds may be ahead of Hammerin' Hank, but in my mind, Aaron is still the "Home Run King". He didn't need to cheat to achieve his greatness. Bonds, although always a jerk, WAS a great player before he decided to juice, but without the steroids, there is no way he'd be anywhere near 756. Bonds was arrogant enough to say there is no controversy with his record. [IMG]http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/IMG]


Barry Bonds:

1986 PIT 16
1987 PIT 25
1988 PIT 24
1989 PIT 19
1990 PIT 33
1991 PIT 25
1992 PIT 34
1993 SF 46
1994 SF 37
1995 SF 33
1996 SF 42
1997 SF 40
1998 SF 37
1999 SF 34
[B] 2000 SF 49*
2001 SF 73*
2002 SF 46*
2003 SF 45*
2004 SF 45*[/B]
2005 SF 5
2006 SF 26
2007 SF 22

[B]* = We know what happened in these years. [IMG]http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/IMG][/B]

[U][I]Beginning of career --> End of career[/I][/U]

[IMG]http://blog.dairytwist.org/images/blog/bonds1.jpg[/IMG] --> [IMG]http://121gigawatts.blogspot.com/bonds.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.nwcn.com/sports/stories/M_IMAGE.1009386cd18.93.88.fa.7c.5f69b6a.jpg[/IMG]


Hank Aaron:

1954 Braves 13
1955 Braves 27
1956 Braves 26
1957 Braves 44
1958 Braves 30
1959 Braves 39
1960 Braves 40
1961 Braves 34
1962 Braves 45
1963 Braves 44
1964 Braves 24
1965 Braves 32
1966 Braves 44
1967 Braves 39
1968 Braves 29
1969 Braves 44
1970 Braves 38
1971 Braves 47
1972 Braves 34
1973 Braves 40
1974 Braves 20
1975 Brewers 12
1976 Brewers 10

[U][I]Beginning of career --> End of career[/I][/U]

[IMG]http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4690/aaronbatkf9.jpg[/IMG] --> [IMG]http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/07/19/vtyxJ3Jd.jpg[/IMG]





Notice Aaron's consistency throughout his career as opposed to Bonds'.

But wait... [IMG]http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

[URL="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/mlb_credits_hank_aaron_with_50"]MLB Credits Hank Aaron With 50 Lost Home Runs[/URL][/QUOTE]

Funny link.
Did you see the sportscenter section when they put the old Bonds head up next to the new bonds head? The space between his eyes and the side of his head doubled at least!
How do we honestly know that Bonds didn't take steriods in 93? Or even 90?
Look at his stats:
86- .223, 16hr
87- .261, 25hr
88- .283, 24hr
89- .248, 19hr
90- .301, 33hr?
91- .292, 25hr
92- .311, 34hr
93- .336, 46hr?
You can see a significant change in his numbers from the 89 to 90 seasons, as you can see from 92 to 93 seasons. In fact, in 93, he hit 12 more homers than his career high, and hit 25 points higher than his career high. Also, his stolen bases dropped significantly in 93 to 29.
We talk about the massive size of Bonds that we noticed in 2000, but there are several players that take roids that don't get cartoonish. Bonds could have started in 1990, or 1993.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;337708]I believe Sheffield and Giambi also testified in front of a grand jury (among others)[/quote]

I didn't say that no one other than Bonds testified. There have been a few...and Giambi admitted to taking steriods. Fact is, you don't go in front of a grand jury unless you're pretty darn guilty.

[quote]Baseball has started (finally) testing for steroids and taking action against players who test positive. Several players have tested positive and been punished, but Bonds has not been one of them.[/QUOTE]

Come on, you know that's a joke as much as I do.
I already explained, that 1- "the clear", which is what Bonds has been accused of taking, is not detectable on drug tests, 2- why is it, only small time players got caught?
I guess Sosa and Canseco never took roids either since they never tested positive right?
Canseco admitted taking steriods his whole career, and he finally retired in 2001 and had 0, count em, 0 positive tests, so what does that tell you?

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Bonds cheated. He is mean and spiteful. I can't wait until he goes away. Hopefully A Rod can break this joke of a new record.

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It tells me baseball should have done a better job testing and holding players accountable prior to the last four years or so. But baseball needed the Sosas, Bonds, and McGwires of the world.

It's really too bad that there are several people that don't realize how great a player Bonds is without the record. This isn't some fluke Brady Anderson-esque player.

I'd rather it have been Ken Griffey Jr. personally that broke the record. But it's not, and life goes on.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;337720]Bonds cheated. He is mean and spiteful. I can't wait until he goes away. Hopefully A Rod can break this joke of a new record.[/QUOTE]

How do you know A-Rod is clean? I'm not saying he's not, but how do you know?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;337721]It tells me baseball should have done a better job testing and holding players accountable prior to the last four years or so. But baseball needed the Sosas, Bonds, and McGwires of the world. [/quote]

See, I disagree with that. While McGwire and Sosa brought baseball back, it was recovering without those guys, they just brought it back quicker. Kind of ironic that they seemed to "pump steroids" into baseball to get it back, and they likely took steroids.
But I absolutely agree with you about baseball...they should have tested a long time ago. They turned a blind eye to it, and i feel they even encouraged it.

[quote]It's really too bad that there are several people that don't realize how great a player Bonds is without the record. This isn't some fluke Brady Anderson-esque player. [/quote]

But we really don't know when he started taking it. Is his entire career tainted? Look at the numbers I posted above. Had it not been for him becoming the hulk and making it so glaringly obvious that he took performance enhancing drugs, he would go down in history as one of the best. But he ruined his own legacy.

[quote]I'd rather it have been Ken Griffey Jr. personally that broke the record. But it's not, and life goes on.[/QUOTE]

Me too, but at this point, how do we know he didn't take steroids too?

Re: Breaking News: Barry Bonds Hits 756
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;337723]How do you know A-Rod is clean? I'm not saying he's not, but how do you know?[/QUOTE]

Because he's not mean to the media ;)