Could Thrash Become #2 WR
 

Here is a good article which I was going to place in the news section but thought that this could be something that others may want to discuss. The article talks about how Trash has had extra playing time with JC in training camp due to others injuries and the two are really clicking. We never think of him as the #2 guy but if he is really clicking with JC as the article says and the coaches are saying then who knows. I myself have wondered why we do not use him more as it seeems that when he is called upon makes the play. So check out the article and lets hear what you think.
[url=http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=130049&ran=177175]ARTICLE: At 32, Thrash is preparing for another breakout year (The Virginian-Pilot - HamptonRoads.com/PilotOnline.com)[/url]

The Va. Pilot is doing a daily player profile and interview which they seem to do a good job. So now that I have found them on line I will post them in the news section unless its something worth discussing.

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No way, no how.

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Randel El looks good, and I'm telling you don't count out B Lloyd

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No, because any legitimate #2 or #3 cornerback in this league is going to BLANKET him. Thrash is a great effort player. Solid on special teams and seem to be a "team-first" guy. That said, his talent level is nowhere near what you need to be a legitimate #2.

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Honestly, I'm not concerned who's listed at one, two, three or even four. Just like was mentioned in an article a while ago, the Skins run quite a few three WR sets. Basically as long as receiver ____________ is one, two or three we'll be seeing plenty of them.

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This would be fine by me, Thrash seems to be somewhat of a clutch reciever whenever he gets the ball. Recall the key fourth quarter receptions in last years dallas win and; the previous years dallas (in dallas) and philly (last game of regular season, late first half reception) win.

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Well, to tell u truth.. I wld be glad if he actually make it to #2 position because he is one of few who is true football players who always work hard no matter what.. He deserves it but at same time, there are some praises for RE and Lloyd during the off-season.. So, guess we gotta let it work out by itself..

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Unless it's due to injury, I don't see Thrash moving up that far on the depth chart.

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great post, I love Thrash but I would guess that the coaches are looking to fit him into more packages, but I would be surprised if he started ahead of ARE.

Last year I remember JC hitting Thrash a couple times in traffic. I think Thrash clearly outplayed Loyd. Loyd can run the fly better than Thrash, but that's about it. Thrash is a great zone reciever too, knows how to find the seems.

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If he's our #2 WR then we are in for a LONG season. He doesn't have the ability to be anything more than a #4 WR at this point in his career. He's got decent speed, decent hands, decent route running but for a #2 all of those things need to be great..I think Llyod still has 3 weeks to prove he's worth of being the #2 or it'll be Randle El.

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To answer your question, only in theory.

If we allow him to be #2, we are in SERIOUS trouble.

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On a side note, I'm giving all the receivers a pass from last year. EVERYONE'S production was down. Brunell basically would force the ball to Moss and Cooley and didn't look anywhere else.

Campbell if anything, likes to spread the ball around and I think that if we have all four receivers on the field at once, we can count on any one of those guys.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;338678]On a side note, I'm giving all the receivers a pass from last year. EVERYONE'S production was down. Brunell basically would force the ball to Moss and Cooley and didn't look anywhere else.

Campbell if anything, likes to spread the ball around and I think that if we have all four receivers on the field at once, we can count on any one of those guys.[/QUOTE]

I absolutely agree.
Like I've said before, I think we will all be pleasantly surprised with Lloyd's production this year.

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Have to agree with Matty, he isn' going to move up the depth chart at all, with the exception the other guys get serious injuries. Thrash was was at the top of his game his last year with us the first go around and his first season with the Eagles. IF he hasn't cracked a top 3 spot he never will at this point.

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He should be used more as our posession reciever. He seems to be able to make some great posession catches. We have a need for that in our offense.

If Corey Bradford makes the team he also might be used as such.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;338678]On a side note, I'm giving all the receivers a pass from last year. EVERYONE'S production was down. Brunell basically would force the ball to Moss and Cooley and didn't look anywhere else.

Campbell if anything, likes to spread the ball around and I think that if we have all four receivers on the field at once, we can count on any one of those guys.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. I have no idea what Lloyd can do down field because
Brunell couldn't throw there, not even to Moss (last year), and by the time Campbell showed up Lloyd was alread buried on the bench.

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im sure he wont be a #2 receiver because i know that the Skins wouldnt pay a 4th stringer[Randle El, Brandon Lloyd] a 30 million dollar contract

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thrash always looks good in the scrimmages. i love thrash but there is no way, baring injury, that trash is #2

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Trash is considered a great #3 - #4 WR. Because he is very easy to lose out there on the field, especially when on the same field as Moss and Randle El who have big play potential every time they tie up their cleats. Making him a good WR to look at when you need a Catch to move the chains, even more so because he is not afraid to absorb the big hit over the middle.

But no, no way is he a #2 starting caliber Wide Out.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;338678]On a side note, I'm giving all the receivers a pass from last year. EVERYONE'S production was down. Brunell basically would force the ball to Moss and Cooley and didn't look anywhere else.

Campbell if anything, likes to spread the ball around and I think that if we have all four receivers on the field at once, we can count on any one of those guys.[/QUOTE]

I really don't want to rehash the name Brunell (I keep vowing not to), but I remember "going all GTripp" last year and reviewing the distribution of receivers thrown to during Brunell's games vs Campbell's. The difference was minimum at best. In fact, I think Brunell had a higher number.

Anyhow, my point is that I think the receivers [I]will[/I] do better this year, but I think that's just as much a product of being more accustomed to the system than anything else.

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[quote=SmootSmack;338707]I really don't want to rehash the name Brunell (I keep vowing not to), but I remember "going all GTripp" last year and reviewing the distribution of receivers thrown to during Brunell's games vs Campbell's. The difference was minimum at best. In fact, I think Brunell had a higher number.

Anyhow, my point is that I think the receivers [I]will[/I] do better this year, but I think that's just as much a product of being more accustomed to the system than anything else.[/quote]Speaking of going all GTripp, I was about to do something similar to TMC's post, but ultimately, though not necessarily based in fact, and while making an unneccessary Brunell comparison, his point about Campbell's passing aptitude is a good one.

Talking receivers, Moss had a bad year and will rebound. Lloyd probably won't play very much. I expect him to look like an NFL receiver when he does. Randle El will get more looks, and consequently more yards. The guy to watch out for is James Thrash.

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While I doubt Thrash will bump Randle El from #2, don't be surprised to see him at #3 if Lloyd stinks up the joint. Unless Lloyd has a DRAMATIC turnaround, I think he'll be headed out the door next season (kind of like Taylor Jacobs).

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[quote=jermus22;338712]While I doubt Thrash will bump Randle El from #2, don't be surprised to see him at #3 if Lloyd stinks up the joint. Unless Lloyd has a DRAMATIC turnaround, I think he'll be headed out the door next season (kind of like Taylor Jacobs).[/quote]I don't think you CAN put Thrash on the field and not have Randle El on it. That just seems like a bad allocation of offensive resources.

However, James Thrash is the second best wide receiver on this team, so in three receiver sets, he's got to be on the field.

It seems to me that whenever Lloyd is on the field, that we are allocating our resources poorly, or at least less than perfect.

Here's the offensive skill position players that should get more PT than Lloyd:

Moss
Cooley
Portis
Betts
Randle El
Sellers
Thrash

That's seven players who have value to this team. Assuming good health, which three players are going to be taken off the field to stick an underachiever on?

Do y'all really want Mike Sellers to play less so that Lloyd can play? Heck, if Tyler Ecker comes back healthy, at least he can block.

Until some injuries start to pile up, it makes sense to keep Lloyd inactive so that we don't cost hardworking players playing time.

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James Thrash is Ricky Proehl for Al Saunders. Not a starter, but clutch

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[quote=SmootSmack;338716]James Thrash is Ricky Proehl for Al Saunders. Not a starter, but clutch[/quote]
no way. Ricky Proehl could run. thrash has absolutely no speed. he is a good special teamer. no more, no less. if he gets on the field alot this season, it means one of 2 things. the skins are blowing someone out. or they are getting blown out

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;338716]James Thrash is Ricky Proehl for Al Saunders. Not a starter, but clutch[/QUOTE]

I'd be thrilled to see Thrash get 400-500 yards and 30-40 catches. If he can do that, that means Lloyd and ARE are producing as well.

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He must have lost a lot of speed then. As I've reported before Thrash ran a 4.2 40 in college. He took the mantle of fastest Redskin off of #28's shoulders. In comparison, I found
Coles: 4.29
Moss: 4.31
Champ Bailey: 4.42
That's one of the reasons he's a gunner.
Unless his legs are totally trashed I think he is terribly under-used. He almost never makes a bonehead play.
But I must be wrong since nobody ever responds to my posts about this.

[QUOTE=dmek25;338717]no way. Ricky Proehl could run. thrash has absolutely no speed. he is a good special teamer. no more, no less. if he gets on the field alot this season, it means one of 2 things. the skins are blowing someone out. or they are getting blown out[/QUOTE]

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[quote=mike340;338741]He must have lost a lot of speed then. As I've reported before Thrash ran a 4.2 40 in college. He took the mantle of fastest Redskin off of #28's shoulders. In comparison, I found
Coles: 4.29
Moss: 4.31
Champ Bailey: 4.42
That's one of the reasons he's a gunner.
Unless his legs are totally trashed I think he is terribly under-used. He almost never makes a bonehead play.
But I must be wrong since nobody ever responds to my posts about this.[/quote]


I like Thrash as well. He can be a good option on certain plays and situation but, no more. He cannot be a dependable #2 WR, IMO. Clutch? I guess you could say that. He had a few crucial plays in the last 2 years, a couple in Dallas games. Yet, IMO, I believe his is just still a career situational guy and special teamer.

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I wouldn't be so quick to write off James Thrash.

What makes Brandon Lloyd better than Thrash at this point? Speed? Athleticism? Yeah, but so effing what? Speed and athleticism don't do you much good when you're too busy being a punk ass to take your coaches seriously.

And aside from gadget plays and punt returns, what has Randle El ever done to prove he's a decent number 2? Not much.

This isn't to say James Thrash is a good number 2 receiver. This is to say that we have no good number 2 receiver, and if someone's got to take the job, I could easily see it being Thrash.

Lloyd is a total piece of sh*t, I hate him so bad. I like ARE, but he's a number 3, belongs in the slot.

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[quote=Schneed10;338745]I wouldn't be so quick to write off James Thrash.

What makes Brandon Lloyd better than Thrash at this point? Speed? Athleticism? Yeah, but so effing what? Speed and athleticism don't do you much good when you're too busy being a punk ass to take your coaches seriously.

And aside from gadget plays and punt returns, what has Randle El ever done to prove he's a decent number 2? Not much.

This isn't to say James Thrash is a good number 2 receiver. This is to say that we have no good number 2 receiver, and if someone's got to take the job, I could easily see it being Thrash.

Lloyd is a total piece of sh*t, I hate him so bad. I like ARE, but he's a number 3, belongs in the slot.[/quote]


I agree TOTALLY on Lloyd. He made like, at least a single one-handed catch when he was a 49'er in '04 -'05 and he comes and and does squat. Drops balls, doesnt block well, and runs his fucking mouth.

ARE is a diff. story. He stepped up last year when Lloyd was busy jerking off. Yes, he is good for returns and gadget plays. But with enough balls thrown his way, he will be a #2 reciever, IMO.

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;338744]I like Thrash as well. He can be a good option on certain plays and situation but, no more. He cannot be a dependable #2 WR, IMO. Clutch? I guess you could say that. He had a few crucial plays in the last 2 years, a couple in Dallas games. Yet, IMO, I believe his is just still a career situational guy and special teamer.[/QUOTE]

It really does amaze me that we skins fans seem to always think our bench guys are super studs. We've already annointed HB Blades, and Starz. And others that have had a chance to prove themselves and didn't, ie: Thrash, Ramsey, etc. I love the positive vibes we give off for these guys, but we can be extremely unreasonable. Thrash as the #2??? That would be horrible for us.
In case you've missed it, with the exception of 2000 where he had 50 catches for 653 yards and only 2 td's for us, he has had a total of 58 catches for 779 yards in a Redskins uni in 6 years...plus a total of only 2 tds during that span! (97-99 and 04-06) Even after he signed that big contract in Phily, he still only produced a career high of 63 catches and 833 yards, and that was 6 years ago!!!
Trust me when I say, that if we need Thrash to be our #2, our season is over.

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When I saw this thread, the first thing I thought of is he could be the answer to Question #3!



As in the #3 WR!

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[quote=jsarno;338751]
Trust me when I say, that if we need Thrash to be our #2, our season is over.[/quote]Why does it matter who plays the No. 2 receiver?

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[quote=GTripp0012;338780]Why does it matter who plays the No. 2 receiver?[/quote]


Good point. I guess as long as our #2 can block effectively, come through when called upon to make big plays and be enough of a threat to take some heat off our #1, then it shouldnt matter who it is, right?

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;338781]Good point. I guess as long as our #2 can block effectively, come through when called upon to make big plays and be enough of a threat to take some heat off our #1, then it shouldnt matter who it is, right?[/quote]Right. And outside of the blocking qualification, I don't think too many receivers in this league aren't 2nd receiver quality.

Since Thrash is the best blocker out of the three...ya know why not him? Not really sure it makes a difference anyway. If Campbell hits any of the three in the hands, they are probably going to catch it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;338783]Right. And outside of the blocking qualification, I don't think too many receivers in this league aren't 2nd receiver quality.

Since Thrash is the best blocker out of the three...ya know why not him? Not really sure it makes a difference anyway. [B]If Campbell hits any of the three in the hands, they are probably going to catch it[/B].[/quote]

Agreed. Except Lloyd. Remember the TB game last year? First play I think, he was WIDE and JC hit him and ho dropped the damn thing. Screw Lloyd. I understand that he is athletic and catch make great, one handed catches and whatever but, until he performs HERE, IN WASHINGTON, I say Thrash starts above him, period.

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A.R.E He has just as good as a rhythm with JC.Plus hes younger and faster and can give us more plays to do.So if we don't have a 2nd string WR this ear than GJ With us not trading are picks.

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ARE is a beast. IMO, we should direct snap the ball to him 3-5 times a game just to fuck with defenses. Have him throw it once in a while, endaround, you name it. Used effectively, ARE could make ANY D piss down their leg.

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[quote=mike340;338741]He must have lost a lot of speed then. As I've reported before Thrash ran a 4.2 40 in college. He took the mantle of fastest Redskin off of #28's shoulders. In comparison, I found
Coles: 4.29
Moss: 4.31
Champ Bailey: 4.42
That's one of the reasons he's a gunner.
Unless his legs are totally trashed I think he is terribly under-used. He almost never makes a bonehead play.
But I must be wrong since nobody ever responds to my posts about this.[/quote]

And check out that last giants game from last year. Thrash blew past everyone to catch that guy on the first fumble. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been faster than the fat boy running back the fumble, but look at how he comes flying past all the other Redskins from off the screen to get there. The guy still has plenty of speed. Especially for a #2/#3 receiver.

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I personally think Thrash would be a great guy to put in the slot on those deep routs because he seems to excel at that or put him in on short crossing routs because he can take a hit.