Adam Archuleta to Start
 

It looks like he started for them, does anyone know how he did?[url=http://www.kffl.com/player/1772/nfl]KFFL - Adam Archuleta, SS, Chicago Bears[/url]

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You know, I wouldn't be surprised if he plays well in their system. You never know, he might become the corner stone of their defense :)

I'm just be glad we off loaded his dead weight onto someone else :)

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same system he had in St. Louis. He should thrive in it.

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Who Cares?

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Exactly, he'll do fine in a cover 2 type of defense. Greg Williams needs a bit more out of his safeties.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;341465]same system he had in St. Louis. He should thrive in it.[/quote]
i wonder why people think this? did he ever make a pro bowl? i think the skins took a chance on him because of what he could have been, not what he was.

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Arch lost a considerable amount of speed in a Redskin uniform(as in he went from fast to slow) leading me to speculate that he was on the juice in his St Louis career, but after he got paid he stopped risking getting caught. If he plays well this year then my theory is garbage, but if he looks slow and washed up then I say he was simply a chemicaly enhanced player that fooled people long enough to get a sick signing bonus. I'm talking HGH by the way or something that up until now was basically undetectable.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;341466]Who Cares?[/quote]

Agreed, could care less about that shit bird!

I am however looking foward to him coming back into DC on 12.6 with his no good teammates and getting there ass kicked!

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[quote=dmek25;341482]i wonder why people think this? did he ever make a pro bowl? i think the skins took a chance on him because of what he could have been, not what he was.[/quote]


I dont think so but he was a solid player at times in St. Louis.

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If Saunders doesn't find ways for him to match up with Cooley, Al should return his check for that week. I look forward to watching 47 abuse Archy.

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You didn't miss anything. It's the Bears and Colts on Mon. so you will get a chance to see your favorite playa!

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Why so much animosity towards one player? I understand that he didn't exactly pan out for us, but that is no reason to hate him. I hope that he does well in Chicago at least then we know that he was a good player and that he just didn't fit into our scheme. Our coaches will look even worse if he doesn't pan out over there. Try and look at the bright side, if it wasn't for Archeleta playing poorly in our system we would have never drafted Landry nor would we have drafted Palmer. Landry is looking good and it is possible that Palmer develops into a solid backup for us in the future.

We over paid Adam and he didn't work out for us. It is similar to the Smoot situation. We are happy he is back for the most part and all because he didn't pan out in Minnesota. He has value to us.

Bye the way did anyone else notice that he (Smoot) was lined up on the outside in Nickle coverage; pushing Shawn Springs to the Nickle Corner position on 3rd and long situations. He didn't get thrown on.

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Bye the way did anyone else notice that he (Smoot) was lined up on the outside in Nickle coverage; pushing Shawn Springs to the Nickle Corner position on 3rd and long situations. He didn't get thrown on.[/quote]

That is what made that signing so huge. With Taylor lurking in centerfield every receiver and QB is going to have to think twice before going deep and over the middle. While Smoot and Rogers are far from cover corners I would label both of them as above average. Being able to move Springs around is huge because he can get to the qb and blow up runningbacks. Even if Smoot and Rogers are on the wideouts you have an above average corner protected by a head-hunter and you are challenging the QB to make the perfect pass. If he doesn't, then you see (A) a highlight reel hit and a wideout curled up in the fetal position (b) an INT if Smoot gets his hands on it and (C) a dropped INT if Rogers touches the ball. It really makes it tough because no one is going to exploit Springs and they probably won't throw at him much. I would take Smoot or Rogers one on one with any slot receiver and I would take Smoot and Rogers backed up by the Grim Reaper on any outside receiver.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;341516]I dont think so but he was a solid player at times in St. Louis.[/QUOTE]


No, he wasn't.
He was an excellent player for St. Louis. Problem is, it's hard to find a compliment for ST's me first play. Arch didn't fit well here...no hard feelings, I wish him success in Chicago.

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[quote=jsarno;341573]No, he wasn't.
He was an excellent player for St. Louis. Problem is, it's hard to find a compliment for ST's me first play. Arch didn't fit well here...no hard feelings, I wish him success in Chicago.[/quote]

That is what I said a solid player for St. Louis.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;341577]That is what I said a solid player for St. Louis.[/QUOTE]

The "no he wasn't" comment was an answer to if he was an all pro...he wasn't.

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oh I know that part ok a little confusing.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;341580]oh I know that part ok a little confusing.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the confusion.
I really don't understand the pure hatred for Arch. So the man didn't fit our system, that is more an issue of our front office and coaching than Arch himself. The man is talented, but he wasn't at all what we needed. It's not like Arch hated us or said anything nasty about us, it was just the wrong team for him.

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Yeah the money brought him here. ON a side note I feel that Landry is the perfect complement for Sean Taylor.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;341587]Yeah the money brought him here. ON a side note I feel that Landry is the perfect complement for Sean Taylor.[/QUOTE]

We'll see. I reserve myself to those thoughts now. I want to see them in actual action. (that's regular season action...preseason means jack-squat)(and that comment is dedicated to the man living in a van down by the river)

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[quote=jsarno;341596]We'll see. I reserve myself to those thoughts now. I want to see them in actual action. (that's regular season action...preseason means jack-squat)(and that comment is dedicated to the man living in a van down by the river)[/quote]


To quote a line from that commerical "Is that funny for you?"

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[quote=jsarno;341573]No, he wasn't.
He was an excellent player for St. Louis. Problem is, it's hard to find a compliment for ST's me first play. Arch didn't fit well here...no hard feelings, I wish him success in Chicago.[/quote]
i disagree with this. i saw a bunch of rams games( because my brothers a fan) and archuleta was the same kind of player there. pretty good up in the box, but couldnt cover me. im not sure what the skins saw in him that made them think he would fit here

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[quote=dmek25;341482]i wonder why people think this? did he ever make a pro bowl? i think the skins took a chance on him because of what he could have been, not what he was.[/quote]

Yeah he did in St.Louis. Archuleta was one of the best safeties while in STL. That's why it was a big deal. He killed under Lovie in St.Louis and he will do it in Chicago. Archuleta is a beast when used right.

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I'm sure "the leak" will bounce back under Lovie.

He's always been overrated and he was never a cover safety. We definitely got burned on him, not sure if it was a case of the Skins not doing their homework or if he just stunk it up for whatever reason. Either way he's gone, best of luck to him. I hope we torch him when we play Chicago.

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[quote=saden1;341456]You know, I wouldn't be surprised if he plays well in their system. You never know, he might become the corner stone of their defense :)

I'm just be glad we off loaded his dead weight onto someone else :)[/quote]

It's gonna be fun December 6th, to see how he does against us. I hope GW suggests a couple nice plays to Al that burned AA in the past.

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[quote=wilsowilso;341485]Arch lost a considerable amount of speed in a Redskin uniform(as in he went from fast to slow) leading me to speculate that he was on the juice in his St Louis career, but after he got paid he stopped risking getting caught. If he plays well this year then my theory is garbage, but if he looks slow and washed up then I say he was simply a chemicaly enhanced player that fooled people long enough to get a sick signing bonus. I'm talking HGH by the way or something that up until now was basically undetectable.[/quote]

HGH doesn't make you run faster. Just leans you up. So I don't think that has anything to do with it.

He just wasn't a good fit in GW's defense. That's the bottom line.

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who cares? anyway is not a redskin anywore so....

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[quote=hooskins;341758]It's gonna be fun December 6th, to see how he does against us. I hope GW suggests a couple nice plays to Al that burned AA in the past.[/quote]


I cant wait

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[QUOTE=dmek25;341622]i disagree with this. i saw a bunch of rams games( because my brothers a fan) and archuleta was the same kind of player there. pretty good up in the box, but couldnt cover me. im not sure what the skins saw in him that made them think he would fit here[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. He was very good for St. Louis...that's not really a debate. No one ever said he was a good cover corner. We all knew he wouldn't bring that to the table. The fact is, the Rams knew it, and played him that way. He's a GREAT run stopper (Ie: Taylor, which makes two run stoppers at safety useless).
Any safety tandem will work well with one being a cover, and the other being a stopper. Arch will succeed in any system that he can be that stopper. Unfortunately for him, we already had that guy.

I do agree with you...I fail to see what the Skins saw in him to make him successful here.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;341613]To quote a line from that commerical "Is that funny for you?"[/QUOTE]

Commercial????
I was referring to Matt Foley, the motivational speaker...ie: Chris Farley on SNL.

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[quote=jsarno;341585]Sorry for the confusion.
I really don't understand the pure hatred for Arch. So the man didn't fit our system, that is more an issue of our front office and coaching than Arch himself. The man is talented, but he wasn't at all what we needed. It's not like Arch hated us or said anything nasty about us, it was just the wrong team for him.[/quote]


I really dislike Arch because of the things he said about the Redskins organization to the media. He wasn't a team player and even if he got a raw deal he's not going to win my favor going one on one with Gibbs. Personally I don't think he got a raw deal i think he underperformed when a lot of people thought he wouldn't

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[quote=DGreene28;341809]I really dislike Arch because of the things he said about the Redskins organization to the media. He wasn't a team player and even if he got a raw deal he's not going to win my favor going one on one with Gibbs. Personally I don't think he got a raw deal i think he underperformed when a lot of people thought he wouldn't[/quote]

I do not doubt what you are saying, but if you point out that he said negative things about the organization, then provide a link to what it was that he said. I never heard him say anything negative. I know that it doesn't mean that he didn't, but the proof would be lovely.

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[quote=wilsowilso;341485]Arch lost a considerable amount of speed in a Redskin uniform(as in he went from fast to slow) leading me to speculate that he was on the juice in his St Louis career, but after he got paid he stopped risking getting caught. If he plays well this year then my theory is garbage, but if he looks slow and washed up then I say he was simply a chemicaly enhanced player that fooled people long enough to get a sick signing bonus. I'm talking HGH by the way or something that up until now was basically undetectable.[/quote]


i seriously doubt he has ever been on any HGH or whatever. the guy has a training routine harder than anyone i have ever seen. i cant stand him because he sucked for us but i will give him credit where credit is due, he works his ass off. from fast to slow could be from nagging injuries or just lack of enthusiasm, who knows.

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[quote=DGreene28;341809]I really dislike Arch because of the things he said about the Redskins organization to the media. He wasn't a team player and even if he got a raw deal he's not going to win my favor going one on one with Gibbs. Personally I don't think he got a raw deal i think he underperformed when a lot of people thought he wouldn't[/quote]

I understand what your saying - for sure.

But just to put it in perspective - imagine signing the biggest contract for a safety ever in the history of the NFL and not even being a starter going into the 1st game of the season (Prielou was the starter but got injured on the kickoff)

Thats gotta be really tough on your confidence.

Regardless, I still wanna expose his weakness in coverage come December.

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He also had a rockin' one tackle yesterday. Go Arch!

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[quote=angryssg;342154]I do not doubt what you are saying, but if you point out that he said negative things about the organization, then provide a link to what it was that he said. I never heard him say anything negative. I know that it doesn't mean that he didn't, but the proof would be lovely.[/quote]

It was well documented during the season last year...

He said this on December 28, 2006

He says:
"I'm a grown man. I don't like getting lied to," Archuleta said. "All people want is for people to be straight up with them. I don't mind bad news. [B]I don't mind negativity.[/B] I don't mind if somebody says to my face what my flaws are and what I'm doing wrong and what kind of person they think I am.

Then on August 16, 2007 he said:

[url=http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_522445.html]Bears' Archuleta tries to re-establish himself - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review[/url]


about last season "really taught me about balance." He learned what he can and can't do on the field, but the biggest lesson was this: [B]"I'm allergic to negative people." [/B]
Then he smiled. "[B]I just don't thrive in negative situations[/B]," Archuleta said. "That's just not in football. [B]When I'm around a negative person, I can't deal with it. It really shuts me down.[/B] Whether that's a friend who's constantly complaining, whether it's a coach who has a [B]negative[/B] coaching style, whether it's somebody who's always feeling sorry for themselves -- I just can't deal with it."

THis is just the tip of the iceburg with this guy. He said things worse then this and I think was the infamous "leak" in the locker room last year. Let's put it this way... If he was in the mafia he would have been whacked before the season started last year.

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While I have nothing personal against the guy - I thought he would be a good signing and provide us some solid backfield work, however, he struck me as a softie almost from the minute he got here. I remember one article where he said he used some touchy-feely music to get him up for a game. Now he says he can't deal with negative people. Since GW believes in tough love coaching, it is clear that Arch was not gonna fit in.

He's the guy in the office who constantly has to be told that he's doing a good job - As long as he gets positive feedback, he's a good worker. But, w/o constant coddling watch production plummet. Glad he's found someone who "appreciates" him. Maybe they can end their practices with a group hug.

He was a mistake but it was the FO's mistake not Arch's. Throw that much money at me and I'll be miserable for a year. Got no hate for the guy - just think he's a bit of a cry-baby.

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I'm not a fan of Archuleta's and wasn't thrilled when he signed with the Skins. He actually sinked lower in my book for underperforming. I'm glad he's in Chicago and off of the Skins (it should've been a package deal with Jimoh).