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Greenberg: 8-8

Golic: 6-10

John Seibel: 5-11

They basically said the D isn't very good, and they had concerns about Campbell not being ready for prime time.

I think they haven't watched our first team D this preseason.

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Screw Mike and Mike.

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Was this just this morning? You are probably right about them not watching us this preseason. I am pretty sure they just looked at our team last year and went with their gut. That is why most of these national sportswriters say stuff that always leaves you scratching your head.

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Every time we come in as underdogs (2005) we always over achieve.

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Come on folks, these guys know what they are talking about. Some even say they have a direct line to god.

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This is fine with me. I'm not sure I care what these guys are saying. Most of the time they are just filling airspace with their hot air anyway. I'd rather everyone underestimate us at the beginning.

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I was pretty disappointed hearing them predict such a grim season for the skins.

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I have yet to hear anyone give the Skins any love. I don't like to hear it, but, it works for me. Better to be the dog!
I think we will surprise some folks, and I love that!

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Most sports analysts are idiots. They simply look at the record the team posted the previous year and then extrapolate from that. I think very few actually go out on a limb and attempt to project something controversial.

It is so cliche - I'm sure none of these guys have watched the Skins play yet in the pre-season.

That being said, I still think their o-line is going to really be an achilles heel for them this year and probably prevent them from being a special team.

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[quote=saden1;343035]Come on folks, these guys know they are talking about. Some even say they have a direct line to god.[/quote]

I mean seriously wouldn't you think these guys would feel reports like this violate their professional ethics as sportswriters? These guys are pretty much at the top of sports radio through hard work and good reporting, and yet it seems they don't really do any research and just go with their gut. Atleast see what our offseason moves and preseason stats are. And if they really think our D will be bad they should atleast mention the fact that our starting D looks good so far.

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I realize our defense was absolutely TERRIBLE last year, but that's more of an exception rather than a rule with Gwilliams. All that said, I can see where people will be very skeptical of us.

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Last year i cared for rankings. The year before i did too and the year before that and so on. I don't really care anymore. Pre-season rankings suck.


Much of the reason i don't care is because if someone is not give us respect, this year, i can understand it. We sucked last year and that is what we are going to get. I know i know more about the skins than golic does so why do i care what he thinks.

I'll care when i don't understand the lack of respect. Like if we make the playoffs this year and next year at this time we get 7-9 predictions.

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Just play ball. I think we will do well, I hope we will. It's fun to prove the talking heads wrong (<cough> Sean Salisbury <cough>)

Otherwise, I only care what the media heads say about the Skins when they justify my fanaticism and feed my need to feel superior b/c of the team I back.

If they fail to worship the Skins - regardless of the team's prior missteps, they are simply meaningless hacks with no in-depth knowledge of the Skins' and whose biased Skin bashing is:

1) Evidence of an obsessive homerism for some other less worthy team;

2) Merely a repetition of the opinion of some other nationally syndicated talking heads who haven't done anything in-depth on the Skins; [I]or[/I]

3) based on unabashed hatred for a) Daniel Snyder and his "fantasy football" ways; b) Joe Gibbs and his "Christian Core Redskins"; 3) Art Monk (see how all the conspiracies tie in nicely?).

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what would you like these guys to say. what would be the right thing for you all? 11-5, 12-4, deep playoff run?? come on, be real. I HOPE we go 10-6, 11-5 but realistically can we feel confident is saying that. the norm for this franchise the past 10 years has been sub 500. the exception has been two playoff seasons since 99. The analysts have been somewhat correct in picking where we stand in the NFL for the last 5 or 6 six seasons. These guys have played in the NFL, eat, sleep, and shit football. I dont like to hear sub 500 predictions anymore than you guys, but what have we done lately to prove anyone wrong. the D is a question I dont care how well we play in the preseason. It stunk last year, we made no improvements up front, which has not been good the last two years. Only reason no one mentioned it in 2005 was because we got pressure from other areas. so, upfront we are still the same line as last year. offensively, Campbell is a first year starter, you never know what can happen. he came in last year with no pressure, now he has all the pressure in the world on him. people play differently under different situations related to the amount of pressure they have on them.
You all can't sit here and call them idiots because they dont say things you think you should hear. bottom line, we have not done anything in the past 8+ years to warrant positive feedback from the analysts.

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I hope we use the low expectations as motivation. There's nothing in many of these so called analysis petigree that makes them know any more than we do. There are some very knowledgeable people here on this forum, and I value the judgements here just as much (if not more) than I do these guys. They can do a good job at influencing those who have limited insight into the game. Most knowledgeable people have enough creative insight to formulate their own opinions, that's why I render most of their rhetoric useless.

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Id so much rather be a underdog then be hyped up like last year

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[quote=Mattyk72;343026]Greenberg: 8-8

Golic: 6-10

John Seibel: 5-11

They basically said the D isn't very good, and they had concerns about Campbell not being ready for prime time.

I think they haven't watched our first team D this preseason.[/quote]

I understand the concern about Campbell(you have toi take a show-me attitude with any young quarterback), but they could at least notice the fact that we haven't given up a TD this year. They are obviously going by last years rankings. Oh well, I guess they can't be expected to follow every team that closely, even though it is their job.

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Skins' always perform better when they are under the radar.

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[quote=70Chip;343090]I understand the concern about Campbell(you have toi take a show-me attitude with any young quarterback), but they could at least notice the fact that we haven't given up a TD this year. They are obviously going by last years rankings. Oh well, I guess they can't be expected to follow every team that closely, even though it is their job.[/quote]

Good point. They are second in the NFL thus far in pre-season in Fewest Points Allowed. Unfortunately, they are third from last in Fewest Points For.

Average those two stats together and you get an 8-8 record. Greenberg nailed it.

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I don't think we need anybody to make such ridiculous prediction! Considering what we've seen from preseason, which by the way is not over yet, I really think we can be confident with our D. I'm sure JC will be ready as long as he stay healthy. Let's screw those guys and support our team!

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Here is a really easy way to look at:

the Saints this time last year everyone was like there is a crappy team, blah blah blah....

The Redskins this time last year, oh they look like SB contenders after their 2005 performance and adding such awesome FA.

We all know who 2006 ended up and we should all know by now Sports Writers don't know jack. Espically Mike and Mike they are the worst!!!! They don't even talk about sports anymore. Seriously is there anyone on here that enjoys listening to them????

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Mike Golic? To hell with him anyway. What'd you expect from a former Eggle. His only claim to fame these days is losing weight (allegedly) via Nutrisystem. Seriously though, I'd much rather have the 'Skins considered an underdog and hope that some teams / players will overlook us.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;343028]Screw Mike and Mike.[/QUOTE]

YEA!!!

What he said!

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I think I'm gonna puke. The schlubs on ESPN radio were just chastising Joe Gibbs as how he failed to be the savior of the Redskins during his second tour. No worries, I'll just change the channel...

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[QUOTE=Dlyne8r;343160]I think I'm gonna puke. The schlubs on ESPN radio were just chastising Joe Gibbs as how he failed to be the savior of the Redskins during his second tour. No worries, I'll just change the channel...[/QUOTE]

Get used to it. The only guy on ESPN that ever gives us any credit is Ron Jaworski.

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Wait, Mike and Mike?? You mean Man-Girl and Meatball?? A a lot of the guys on ESPN come off as morons. Or at least their producers forcefeed them their opinions and they give off the appearance of being hacks. For every John Clayton, Peter Gammons, and Tim Kurkjian, we have to deal with Michael Irvin (now Keyshawn), Eric Young, etc... If I have to hear Mark Schlereth and Sean Salisbury say "there's no question in my mind" one more time I'm gonna puke. I have such a love-hate relationship with that network. At least SmootSmack is a good dude.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;343193]Wait, Mike and Mike?? You mean Man-Girl and Meatball?? A a lot of the guys on ESPN come off as morons. Or at least their producers forcefeed them their opinions and they give off the appearance of being hacks. For every John Clayton, Peter Gammons, and Tim Kurkjian, we have to deal with Michael Irvin (now Keyshawn), Eric Young, etc... If I have to hear Mark Schlereth and Sean Salisbury say "there's no question in my mind" one more time I'm gonna puke. [B]I have such a love-hate relationship with that network. At least SmootSmack is a good dude.[/B][/QUOTE]

I agree. I mean I'm old enough to remember CABLE TV in its infancy and I'm much appreciative of all the things ESPN has brought to me over many years. I just grow weary of the same old crap when these guys trash us year after year after year. And yes, SmootSmack is the exception to the rule up in Connecticut (Note to SmootSmack: Don't reveal this post to your superiors!) ;-)

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8-8 is a good prediction id say. the others seem to be shite.

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We need to win. And then all the haters can lick my balls. We reel off 11 or 12 wins and they all be claiming they saw it coming, way back in the pre-season.

And don't knock Nutrisystem. You get a whole week of meals free when you order now...

And, Collins goes first Saturday, per Joe Gibbs on Redskins.com TV. He seemd to indicate that Brunell would go first against Jax but didn't say that specifically.

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Right now most football rags have us going 7-9 to 9-7. Our D is looking very sharp, but I do have reservations with our O. I can see us having a repeat of 2005 with the offense not being able to put up enough points to get past the wildcard if we do make the playoffs. I can see us winning t he division, but then again I can see us finishing 3rd in the division also. I have seen Dallas and Philly, and both look sharp(Eagles running game sucks thus far though). Even the Lions of all teams are looking sharp, as well as GB. To me it seems as a lot of teams seem to be really coming together on their O execution and we are either in first or second gear. Big question is whether we can really get it going before week 1. We need to give JC at least 3 series work against the Ravens to keep his progress going. I like what I have seen so far, but it isn't as fluid as some other teams we play this season in the NFC. They are running on all cylinders, we are not.

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These guys don't know squat, all these so called experts are idiots. Anybody betting against Gibbs coached teams is an idiot. Look at the power Gibbs has as a motivator, a few weeks ago he intervened on a feud by his drivers and what happens? Tony Stewart goes to win the next 3 out of 4 races, mark my words Joe Gibbs will regain the respect as the best coach after this year. The final piece to the puzzle was added when they traded for Kendall today. GO SKINS!!!

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our oline and #2 WR are questionable right now, QB hasn't lit it up yet, and the DL is still fairly weak.

we have a chance to do alright, but we're not coming into this season like SD indy or NE.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;343065]what would you like these guys to say. what would be the right thing for you all? 11-5, 12-4, deep playoff run?? come on, be real. I HOPE we go 10-6, 11-5 but realistically can we feel confident is saying that. the norm for this franchise the past 10 years has been sub 500. the exception has been two playoff seasons since 99. The analysts have been somewhat correct in picking where we stand in the NFL for the last 5 or 6 six seasons. These guys have played in the NFL, eat, sleep, and shit football. I dont like to hear sub 500 predictions anymore than you guys, but what have we done lately to prove anyone wrong. the D is a question I dont care how well we play in the preseason. It stunk last year, we made no improvements up front, which has not been good the last two years. Only reason no one mentioned it in 2005 was because we got pressure from other areas. so, upfront we are still the same line as last year. offensively, Campbell is a first year starter, you never know what can happen. he came in last year with no pressure, now he has all the pressure in the world on him. people play differently under different situations related to the amount of pressure they have on them.
You all can't sit here and call them idiots because they dont say things you think you should hear. bottom line, we have not done anything in the past 8+ years to warrant positive feedback from the analysts.[/QUOTE]

A- friggin' -men.

Reminder for all those offended by Mike & Mike's prediction: THE REDSKINS SUCKED LAST YEAR. We have an unproven youngster at quarterback, our defensive line is old and often injured and the front office did absolutely NOTHING to address it, and our offensive line has taken a step back. So there are legitimate question marks at quarterback, offensive line, and defensive line.

Those factors right there would give just about everyone at this website reason for doubt if it were any other team.

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Golic probably also picked his Eagles to go 11-5. Mike & Mike obviously haven't seen our D this preseason. With the emergence of McIntosh, the upgrade at SS with Landry, and Fletcher as a steadying influence, I can easily see this defense keeping us in every game as they did in 2004 and 2005. 8-8 might be a reasonable prediction, but I really feel that this team will finish with a winning record if we can just keep Jason Campbell healthy.

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people around here make me laugh. if someone picks us to do well, everyone wants nothing to do with it. if someone picks us to suck, everyone wants to know where the love is. based on last season, 7-9 or 8-8 would be a pretty good guess

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If you made me predict our record for the upcoming season I'd say 9-7 and that is with some homerism sprinkled in. I'd say 6-10 to 9-7 are "reasonable" predictions to make on this team. Anything more or less is going out on a limb. However, I wouldn't be at all shocked to see us land out of that range. I suppose that is one of the interesting things about this year, I really won't be shocked to see us anywhere when it's all said and done.

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[quote=#56fanatic;343065]what would you like these guys to say. what would be the right thing for you all? 11-5, 12-4, deep playoff run?? come on, be real. I HOPE we go 10-6, 11-5 but realistically can we feel confident is saying that. the norm for this franchise the past 10 years has been sub 500. the exception has been two playoff seasons since 99. The analysts have been somewhat correct in picking where we stand in the NFL for the last 5 or 6 six seasons. These guys have played in the NFL, eat, sleep, and shit football. I dont like to hear sub 500 predictions anymore than you guys, but what have we done lately to prove anyone wrong. the D is a question I dont care how well we play in the preseason. It stunk last year, we made no improvements up front, which has not been good the last two years. Only reason no one mentioned it in 2005 was because we got pressure from other areas. so, upfront we are still the same line as last year. offensively, Campbell is a first year starter, you never know what can happen. he came in last year with no pressure, now he has all the pressure in the world on him. people play differently under different situations related to the amount of pressure they have on them.
You all can't sit here and call them idiots because they dont say things you think you should hear. bottom line, we have not done anything in the past 8+ years to warrant positive feedback from the analysts.[/quote]

Well said 56. Until this team rights the ship, we will continue to get dumped on period. I expect way more than a 5-11 season.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;343052]Just play ball. I think we will do well, I hope we will. It's fun to prove the talking heads wrong (<cough> Sean Salisbury <cough>)

Otherwise, I only care what the media heads say about the Skins when they justify my fanaticism and feed my need to feel superior b/c of the team I back.

If they fail to worship the Skins - regardless of the team's prior missteps, they are simply meaningless hacks with no in-depth knowledge of the Skins' and whose biased Skin bashing is:

1) Evidence of an obsessive homerism for some other less worthy team;

2) Merely a repetition of the opinion of some other nationally syndicated talking heads who haven't done anything in-depth on the Skins; [I]or[/I]

3) based on unabashed hatred for a) Daniel Snyder and his "fantasy football" ways; b) Joe Gibbs and his "Christian Core Redskins"; 3) Art Monk (see how all the conspiracies tie in nicely?).[/QUOTE]


Man, Joe, that is the deepest thinking I've ever seen! Except you have two (3)'s.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;343028]Screw Mike and Mike.[/quote]

So true. They sit in front of a picture of Julius Jones.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;343095]Skins' always perform better when they are under the radar.[/quote]

Thats because since 1993 they have permanently been under the radar with the exception of 99 and 05.