How did we look vs. the Ravens?
 

Hey guys I know that the game was delayed and later cancelled early, but how did everyone look? I know that we won, but how did the D play as well as the Offense with Todd Collins starting at QB? Also no coverage on Sportscenter at all.

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The D looking very good again, although I would like to see some turnovers come from the first team. The offense was sloppy. A bunch of penalties and not much from the run or pass. Moss had a great grab early, but that was really it. Special teams looked solid.

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Offense: Running game was inept, Collins had a nice 40yd pass to Moss to start the game, I believe Randle El had 4 recs, and Lloyd had 1 rec. Sellers fumbled on a swing pass, other than that there wasn't to much going on, I believe we ended up with 115 total yards.

Defense: The D looked good for a third straight preseason game, Landry had a few nice plays, along with Carter, Fletcher, Blades, Rogers. Sean Taylor missed another big hit on Steve McNair, but I believe he ended up with 2 tcks. Trucks, and Prioleau nailed Boller causing the ball to fly up in the air, and Sartz made the Int, and returned it for a TD. Only negative things I could pick out were the Defense seemed to be overpursuing a lot, and we had a bit of trouble covering the intermediate routes, but thats about it.

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Collins was 8-15 for 88 yards. For me he looked, ok at best.
We didn't get a chance to see Brunell for more than a couple of passes, both were incomplete.

The defense on the otherhand looked stellar. Landry was a beast as usual. Trucks + Prioleau put a massive hit on Kyle Boller which caused a fumble and our only touchdown of the game. But there is still the concern of not being able to put consistent adequate pressure on the QB.

Overall the offense looked downright scary, but personally I think it was because of that fact that half of our starters weren't starting. There was absolutely no running game. At all. What was our longest rush of the game? Like 12-13 yards or so at most? It was borderline terrible.

If I had to rate the 2 and 1/4 quarters I saw between 1-10 I'd give it a 6.5 at best.

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Thanks guys I appreciate it. The offense worries me but I hope once we get all of our chess pieces lined up in the right places hopefully they wil turn it on.

Great to hear about the D to. Would definatley have liked the Starting D to have caused a TO but the fact that they only held the Ravnes starters to 7 works well to. Once again thanks for the report.
Hail!
J

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I think the first 4 plays of the game Landry was involved. The man is an absolute beast! He laid a hit on McNair and it looked like he hurt him. Stuck him right in the ribs.

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my biggest beef with our team right now is the longest run of the preseason is 6 yards. I realize we're missing half our line, but still. Our running game has looked inept, I hope that doesn't transfer over.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;343890]my biggest beef with our team right now is the longest run of the preseason is 6 yards. I realize we're missing half our line, but still. Our running game has looked inept, I hope that doesn't transfer over.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't expect a whole lot out of the offense this year, we stink in the pre season every year, then we all say Gibbs is holding back wait until the regular season starts and it doesn't change, the same old stupid conservative offense, while Gibbs Lay's the duty of winning the game on Williams and the defense, which in turn keeps them on the field for the majority of the game, and wears them down as we get deep into the season.

I don't believe our offensive line is near good enough to pound the ball on the ground on a consistent basis.

Yes Saunders has brought in a proven offensive scheme, but we don't have the horses up front to run it, and we are not sure if Campbell is capable of executing it?

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what about Kendall? did he play?

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Kendall did not play.

The defense did pretty good considering that Springs didn't play at all, and Griff didn't play very much. Tackling was a bit off, and there was a bit of a keystone cop moment on that Mason td.

I know JLC doesn't think so but I feel like Collins has definitely pulled pulled away in the race for backup QB. Maybe it's just me on that one though.

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[QUOTE]I don't believe our offensive line is near good enough to pound the ball on the ground on a consistent basis.[/QUOTE]

Weren't the Skins 4th in the league in rushing last year with the same O-Line they have now? Minus Dock of course. And some would argue that Kendall is an upgrade over Dock. They've played the entire preseason with backups on the left side. Be patient.

[QUOTE]Yes Saunders has brought in a proven offensive scheme, but we don't have the horses up front to run it, and we are not sure if Campbell is capable of executing it?[/QUOTE]

The running game thrived with Campbell under center last year. No reason to think it won't again.

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blades was a stud with the starters. that would make 2 rookies starting in week 1 under williams. beast

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The defense is converging well on the ball, which is great to see. The young guys are adapting great to Williams' defense. Give Taylor 12" and he would have ended McNair's season on that hit!!! A couple of open running lanes up the middle in the 2nd half, but the first team looked great.

The offense looked good with Collins at the helm. The run game has not been very productive, but look at the defenses we have played against, all of them are tough to run on for any offense. The 30-40 yd pass play they keep running up the left side usually has an open receiever and I have seen Jason hit them in stride, I hope there are more variations of this play!

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I for one am not impressed with Collins as our #2. This guy looks like he has no fire in his belly to run a high powered offense. He needs to have the clip board in his hand, and not a football. Our running game is terrible because of several things: Betts only runs like a series or two and then from there we trot out our third and fourth option on the depth chart (where in the hell is Rock?). Our offensive line is trying to find it's way with current players in uniform right now. Our offensive line coach is a little late on trying to find a replacement for Dock, and the Wade experiment has failed. This issue really concerns me, because as your line goes your offense goes. Buges is apparently scanning daily the waiver wires, and trying to grab up anybody with a descent pedigree to help out. Also, our premadona running back is sandbagging this preseason just because he can, and the coaches let him. And one final analysis, is it me or does it seem that our receivers are not getting enough seperation? Because it seems to me that the FEW completions that this team has converted, there were multiple defenders all over the receiver. This could also be another factor of our O-line is not giving the qb enough time to work through the progressions. Throwing into double and triple coverage is flirting with trouble. Also, I'm not too comfortable with the fact that we are picking-up roster cast-offs, or guys that have been out of football for some time. This tells me that our caoching staff is not cconfident with the current players wearing B/G. Yeah, I guess we've had some success in the preseason, but I'm by no means warm and fuzzy with the product on the field.

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Why isn't ARE returning punts?

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[quote=4mrusmc;343921]Why isn't ARE returning punts?[/quote]

So he doesn't get hurt.

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[quote=dall-assblows;343913]blades was a stud with the starters. that would make 2 rookies starting in week 1 under williams. beast[/quote]
Blades will not be starting week one if Marcus Washington is ready to go, and if Washington cannot play week one I think it will come down to Blades, Godfrey, and Campbell to get the start.

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[quote=70Chip;343928]So he doesn't get hurt.[/quote]

Copy and paste this statement in just about every pre-season "Why isn't he....?" thread/topic.

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I think the D looks good--though there isn't much QB pressure from the front and the starting D hasn't got a TO yet. Still, they look much improved and seem to have their swagger back.

The O is a complete question mark--we've scored VERY few points with any O this year. Yes, I know it's preseason and I know we've played some good Ds, but this is not a proven bunch that can just turn it on in the regular season. Sure, key people are out, but then that means we have no depth, and you need depth to be any good. So I'm concerned. A slow start would be very tough this year, especially after last year's disaster.

Hope it will click soon, but I will not believe it until I see it on the field.

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[quote=4mrusmc;343921]Why isn't ARE returning punts?[/quote]

Cause he's the #2 receiver now?

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[quote=4mrusmc;343921]Why isn't ARE returning punts?[/quote]

he doesnt do it in preseason. didnt do it last year either

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[quote=RMSkins;343930]Blades will not be starting week one if Marcus Washington is ready to go, and if Washington cannot play week one I think it will come down to Blades, Godfrey, and Campbell to get the start.[/quote]

yea i was talkin as if washington cant play. i know washington will start but i have a feeling that he wont be ready week 1

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Does anyone else here think it was unwise to blow that sweet trick play where Yoder and Sellers did a formation shift to draw the Ravens offsides on 4th and 1 on a pre-season Game? Save that one for December baby. Yoder played it perfectly. He made it look like he was false-starting the whole way. Beautiful.

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[quote=Daseal;343890]my biggest beef with our team right now is the longest run of the preseason is 6 yards. I realize we're missing half our line, but still. Our running game has looked inept, I hope that doesn't transfer over.[/quote]


Sorry, but you'r wrong, our longest run is 13 yards:)

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man in the preseason the offense is going against 8 men in the box the whole time. it will open up more week 1 with portis breakin 20 yarders

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[quote=4mrusmc;343921]Why isn't ARE returning punts?[/quote]

ARE has nothing to prove in the return game and doesn't need to risk getting hurt in meaningless games.

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[quote=4mrusmc;343921]Why isn't ARE returning punts?[/quote]
It's Preseason.

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I think we tend to over analyze pre-season. If every little aspect of our offense isn't clicking then it's reason for concern? At any given time during the preseason, we've had three starters missing from the lineup.

We can get by Miami. Have you guys seen Trent Green's last game? We're going to throw some nasty stuff at that dude. He seems a step slow in decision making.

I will say, however, that the running game was anemic last night. We didn't create any lanes for Betts last night, and when he had daylight to run it seemed he was "dancing" around too much. I have to watch the game on TV to really get a better idea of what was going on. I do think Heyer has improved over the course of pre-season, and will be good for depth.

As for Todd Collins, he could have very well played himself into the second slot, but let me say this, if we're down to him or Brunell we're done for the season. We need Jason Campbell big time!

The defense is looking good. I can't say enough good things about Laron Landry. He's good on teams and plays like a linebacker when close to the line of scrimage. I think GW is going to turn this kid loose in regular season. I could see him getting like 4 or 5 sacks this year.

It's going to be hard to cut some of the young linebackers we have on the roster. I'm starting to see why the LeMar Marshall release happened so early. They wanted to get a good look at the young talent without commiting valuble playing time to Marshall, whom they were going to release anyway. Sartz, Blades, Trucker,...I like 'em all! Their quick and hungry.

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[quote=12thMan;343987]
The defense is looking good. I can't say enough good things about Laron Landry. He's good on teams and plays like a linebacker when close to the line of scrimage. I think GW is going to turn this kid loose in regular season. I could see him getting like 4 or 5 sacks this year.

It's going to be hard to cut some of the young linebackers we have on the roster. I'm starting to see why the LeMar Marshall release happened so early. They wanted to get a good look at the young talent without commiting valuble playing time to Marshall, whom they were going to release anyway. Sartz, Blades, Trucker,...I like 'em all! Their quick and hungry.[/quote]

I really am impressed with the energy our defense showed last night. Every play you see 5 or 6 jerseys pile on. Everybody wants to hit, everyone wants to win. It really looks like the swagger is back.

I think everyone is excited to see what Landry brings to Greg Williams' scheme. Two safeties of this caliber give GW a lot of flexibility with his plays (more blitzing). It looks like we really tweaked the roster in the right places, I see a top 5 defense again this year.

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[quote=RobH4413;343992]I really am impressed with the energy our defense showed last night. Every play you see 5 or 6 jerseys pile on. Everybody wants to hit, everyone wants to win. It really looks like the swagger is back.

I think everyone is excited to see what Landry brings to Greg Williams' scheme. Two safeties of this caliber give GW a lot of flexibility with his plays (more blitzing). It looks like we really tweaked the roster in the right places, I see a top 5 defense again this year.[/quote]

I agree. I would like to see the GW blitz the tar out of Miami in Week 1. Where we get into trouble is when we rush 4 and play zone behind that. There were too many Ravens running open across the middle last night. It's not a knock on our D-Line, which looks much better, it's just too hard to get pressure with just 4 guys in the NFL nowadays. Very few teams are able to do it. We are better off bringing 5,6,7, or even 8 and playing man coverage behind that. Smoot especially seems lost in zone coverage and gives up way too much ground. It's almost as if playing man coverage creates urgency in the minds of our guys that is lacking when they play soft. We need to play balls out. Our personell is not suited to a reactionary approach.

Also, the only way I can see Green lighting us up is if we play zone. His greatest attributess are his ability to see the field and throw the ball to spots against the zone. I think we would be better off manning up even if we don't blitz, which I know we will.

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[quote=70Chip;343998]I agree. I would like to see the GW blitz the tar out of Miami in Week 1. Where we get into trouble is when we rush 4 and play zone behind that. There were too many Ravens running open across the middle last night. It's not a knock on our D-Line, which looks much better, it's just too hard to get pressure with just 4 guys in the NFL nowadays. Very few teams are able to do it. We are better off bringing 5,6,7, or even 8 and playing man coverage behind that. Smoot especially seems lost in zone coverage and gives up way too much ground. It's almost as if playing man coverage creates urgency in the minds of our guys that is lacking when they play soft. We need to play balls out. Our personell is not suited to a reactionary approach.

Also, the only way I can see Green lighting us up is if we play zone. His greatest attributess are his ability to see the field and throw the ball to spots against the zone. I think we would be better off manning up even if we don't blitz, which I know we will.[/quote]


Well if anyone knows how to gameplan for Green, Al Saunders does.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;344000]Well if anyone knows how to gameplan for Green, Al Saunders does.[/QUOTE]



Excellent point...
Thanks, cause his offense sure aint working right now...at least he can bring that to the table

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Game was a waste. D was fine, but nothing really great about it either. Ravens had a ton of penalties that killed off drives real quick so you can't chalk up this as a stellar performance for our D. Offense was vanilla. Only bright spot was Dallas Sartz's int return for a td. With JC out we were bound to have a game like this, along with the crappy weather. Dc got the stuff the Great Lakes region has been getting all weak. You are lucky not to have gotten any tornados. They were all over my area for two days.

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[quote=12thMan;344000]Well if anyone knows how to gameplan for Green, Al Saunders does.[/quote]


Well if anyone knows how to gameplan for Saunders, Trent Green does.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;344005]Game was a waste. [I][B]D was fine, but nothing really great about it either. [/B][/I]Ravens had a ton of penalties that killed off drives real quick so you can't chalk up this as a stellar performance for our D. Offense was vanilla. Only bright spot was Dallas Sartz's int return for a td. With JC out we were bound to have a game like this, along with the crappy weather. Dc got the stuff the Great Lakes region has been getting all weak. You are lucky not to have gotten any tornados. They were all over my area for two days.[/quote]

I have to disagree. The defense has looked nothing but great this whole preseason. Top to bottom, first to third and fourth string, we have totally outplayed the other team's defenses each time. Last night was no exception.

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I'm thinking Miami only scores field goals.

The more and more I think about it, the only major question mark is our O-line, and that's only because we've got hurt/new guys that haven't played.

By the way, how awesome did our special teams look last night? That first hit by Landry has me amped up for September.

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[QUOTE=RobH4413;344046]I'm thinking Miami only scores field goals.[/QUOTE]

Don't underestimate Cam Cameron (In my opinion, the next offensive guru) The Chargers blew it by letting him walk away when they should have fired Marty. Mark my words watch this guy, when Gibbs steps down he would be the guy I want to coach the skins next.

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The D looked good, the O (especially the line) is terrible. The better get themselves in gear soon or it will be another long season.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;343913]blades was a stud with the starters. that would make [B]2 rookies starting in week 1 under williams[/B]. beast[/QUOTE]

Blades started at outside linebacker??