Campbell Not Ready?
 

I found it interesting the Jason Campbell is expected to start (via redskins.com) vs. the Jaguars. I would think that you should hold him out of the rest of the preseason to prevent reaggregation of his injury. Could this mean he isn't as polished as we all believe him to be? Let's face it, nothing spectacular has come from the Offense at all this preseason.

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Well even Peyton Manning needs to get back into sync with his receivers, so I don't think him still playing is any sign of him not being ready. Plus, if I'm correct, a bruised knee is more of a pain issue than a chance to really reagrivate an injury, so I don't think it's a huge deal.

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He will be ready for game 1, but he needs reps! He only started 7 games last season.

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I don't think it's so much a problem of JC being ready as he missed what probably would have been his last scheduled start of the preseason, it's like LM and skinsfan eluded to the starting QBs all have a certain number of reps they need to get in at game speed before they are totaly in sync with thier receivers. Granted the offense has been far from spectacular, I nonetheless think that falls more on the offensive line and running game problems than the QB. Personally I think both JC and Todd Collins have been one of the few bright spots as far as the offense goes in camp this year. Brunell can take a long walk off a short pier down to Atlanta for all I care.

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He needs as much work as he can get, this is still a learning year for him.

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He'll probably only play a series or two anyway. If he's ready get him back in there.

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While I dont think Portis needs to be playing in these games, I do think that JC really needs to play. He is essentially a rookie with almost no experience. He needs more live action and the chance to work out his timing in game conditions.

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Wow! I totally agree with offiss AND irish. JC could definitely use one, maybe two, series versus Jacksonville.

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JC could use the rest , but he needs the work . Until our offence can start getting in the endzone < we had 9 games last year that we scored less than 20 pts > these guys could use the work . Hope the Defence can cause turnovers this year .

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I wouldn't be surprised to see our starters play about 1/2 the game. Since we didnt have close to a starting squad on the field game 3. I'd love to see at least our starting line play a series.

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[quote=Daseal;344099]I wouldn't be surprised to see our starters play about 1/2 the game. Since we didnt have close to a starting squad on the field game 3. I'd love to see at least our starting line play a series.[/quote]

I think half a game is way too much to keep the starters in for the final preseason tune up. They need to get them in for a few reps (2 series, 3 max) and then get them out. The rest of the game can be for evaluating the backups and finalizing the roster for opening week. I believe you'll see a much better offense with Samuels, Portis and JC on the field against Miami.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;344106]I think half a game is way too much to keep the starters in for the final preseason tune up. They need to get them in for a few reps (2 series, 3 max) and then get them out. The rest of the game can be for evaluating the backups and finalizing the roster for opening week. I believe you'll see a much better offense with Samuels, Portis and JC on the field against Miami.[/QUOTE]

The problem is this O is not fine tuning, they are trying to figure out how to score points and actually do something productive. If JC was a seasoned vet and the O was solid I'd say just play them a bit and be done with it but this O needs reps to figure out what its doing.

The D can take a break.

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[quote=irish;344107]The problem is this O is not fine tuning, they are trying to figure out how to score points and actually do something productive. If JC was a seasoned vet and the O was solid I'd say just play them a bit and be done with it but this O needs reps to figure out what its doing.

The D can take a break.[/quote]

So you are saying the risk of injury during a meaningless game is worth the reward? Do you think Jacksonville will have their starters in more than 2-3 series? It would be hard to evaluate progress and "fine tune" a starting squad against backups and roster hopefuls.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;344106]I think half a game is way too much to keep the starters in for the final preseason tune up. They need to get them in for a few reps (2 series, 3 max) and then get them out. The rest of the game can be for evaluating the backups and finalizing the roster for opening week. I believe you'll see a much better offense with Samuels, Portis and JC on the field against Miami.[/quote]

I agree.

1-2 series max for the starters.

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Sure, there's nothing that compares to in-game experience, but we also have to remember that the Skins still DO practice against an NFL defense every day and now the season is starting, they also prepare as though they're playing the other team.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;344110]Sure, there's nothing that compares to in-game experience, but we also have to remember that the Skins still DO practice against an NFL defense every day and now the season is starting, they also prepare as though they're playing the other team.[/QUOTE]

The working out vs ourselves technique didnt work very good last year.

The O-line is bad, the Qb is virtually a rookie, in general the O is terrible. They dont need to be fine tuned, they need to get the motor running because now it dead in the garage. IMO, they need all the work/reps they can get. They can play a half and then be finished.

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[quote=irish;344111][B][I]The working out vs ourselves technique didnt work very good last year. [/I][/B]

The O-line is bad, the Qb is virtually a rookie, in general the O is terrible. They dont need to be fine tuned, they need to get the motor running because now it dead in the garage. IMO, they need all the work/reps they can get. They can play a half and then be finished.[/quote]

It didn't? I thought we had the fourth best rushing attack in the league?

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;344108]So you are saying the risk of injury during a meaningless game is worth the reward? Do you think Jacksonville will have their starters in more than 2-3 series? It would be hard to evaluate progress and "fine tune" a starting squad against backups and roster hopefuls.[/QUOTE]

I think the reward of getting an almost non-existant O going before the games actually mean something is worth the risk of letting them play the 1st half.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;344112]It didn't? I thought we had the fourth best rushing attack in the league?[/QUOTE]

Who cares about rushing stats, they are meaningless. What was the team's final record? Did they make the playoffs?

The answer to both is No. It didnt work. Even Gibbs said so.

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So wait, are you blaming the offense or the defense? Because I think we were talking about the offense. I think it's a well-documented stat that if our defense made one more stop we scored plenty of points.

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At this point whether the offensive starters play a few series or the entire first half it's not going to make or break the season.

In the last preseason game you have to be smart, I don't see where the potential benefits outweigh the potential risks involved with playing the starters more than a few series.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;344116]So wait, are you blaming the offense or the defense? Because I think we were talking about the offense. I think it's a well-documented stat that if our defense made one more stop we scored plenty of points.[/QUOTE]

Woulda Coulda Shoulda

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:doh:

Always. ALWAYS.

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Campbell should play a quarter, no more
The O line should play a half...especially with a new LG.
Is Samuals gunna play LT?
If not....there is no point in trying to get the Oline to gell....cause it wont without him for at least a half.

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everybody needs practice.manning,brady,brees,and the other 29 starting qbs in the league need to get in a rhythm with the backs,oline,and receivers.he just needs more before the wins and losses count.

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[quote=irish;344113]I think the reward of getting an almost non-existant O going before the games actually mean something is worth the risk of letting them play the 1st half.[/quote]

We're missing our starting running back, quarterback, and two members of the offensive line. We shouldn't be panicking.

Do you even remember what our offense looked like in pre-season LAST year? While I don't think we're leaps and bounds above what we were last season, we actually have a reason not to be this year. Al Saunders doesn't have all the pressure in the world, and this year it ISN'T a new system. Last year we did great on the ground, without Portis.

The sky isn't falling yet, because we just simply don't know enough. To assume we can judge this offense yet is a mistake. If you ask me, I'd rather we not risk injury, and lose a superstar running back.

What would your thoughts of the preseason be if Campbell's knee was a torn ACL? I think we're making the right call to limit his time.

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Bottom line - if Campbell's knee is still bothering him, then Gibbs should gladly sacrifice the work for Campbell's long range health. Playing JC a series or two in the final preseason game will look very foolish if he subsequently can't go in the opener.

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[QUOTE=irish;344115]Who cares about rushing stats, they are meaningless. What was the team's final record? Did they make the playoffs?

The answer to both is No. It didnt work. Even Gibbs said so.[/QUOTE]

You can't say our offense was totally ineffective last year. As TMC noted, we had the 4th best rushing attack in the NFL last year. Our backup RB tallied more yards in the final 8 games than any other back except Larry Johnson.

You note that our record is all that matters, but that doesn't take account of the team's horrible defense. So, I don't know why you say that, in evaluating the effectiveness of the offense, we should disregard the rushing stats and consider the record, but consider the record when the record is a better indicator of how BOTH units are playing.

As for the offense's general effectiveness, I think we need to take a wait-and-see approach. With the LT (Samuels), RB (Portis), and LG situation being unclear and given that we've been going against some stellar defenses, I think we should think twice before using the preseason to definitively predict how our offense will fare in the regular season.

Re: Campbell Not Ready?
 

For what it's worth, from JLac:

[B]JC Says He Will Play

Jason Campbell says he's good to go Thursday night, has been cleared and though he still feels some "soreness" in his left knee, it's not enough to keep him out.

Coach Joe Gibbs says he will see how Campbell gets through practice Tuesday and then make a decision. JC says he is not 100 percent yet but expects to be by Thursday. Gibbs says the kid ain't playing unless he is 100 percent.

So all indications at this point are that he will play.

Samuels says he won't play and Marcus got the sling off his elbow and hopes to be back for Sept. 9 , but will not play.
Portis is going to do more at practice this week, Gibbs said, and will be a game-time decision, though it would be pretty surprising if he did much of anything Thursday.

Springs should practice this week, too, Gibbs said.[/B]

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