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CNN is [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/27/craig.arrest/index.html"]reporting[/URL] that a conservative, "family values" senator got caught trying to solicit sex in a men's room. Pretty funny stuff. I wonder where he comes down on gays in the military or on gay marriage.

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These guys usually take the toughest stance on issues like that. Isn't that weird??

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Ironyyyy.

Wife must've been giving him the cold shoulder.
I mean.. everyone's the same if you just close your eyes.. Haha.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;344422]These guys usually take the toughest stance on issues like that. Isn't that weird??[/QUOTE]

Yup. And, btw, I just looked it up and found that he supported amending the constitution to ban gay marriage.

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Wow that is funny. And pretty nasty.

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Now what's interesting is that his fall from grace is quite different from you know who's, but they're both in pain today.

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[quote=12thMan;344441]Now what's interesting is that his fall from grace is quite different from you know who's, but they're both in pain today.[/quote]

You know what I'm saying. He couldn't blame black people like Florida Rep. [SIZE=-1]Bob Allen? This all reminds me of the [URL="http://www.slate.com/id/2172861/entry/0/"]ever evolving[/URL] Ted Haggard saga. I feel bad for the guy...falling down that hard can't be easy.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;344428]Yup. And, btw, I just looked it up and found that he supported amending the constitution to ban gay marriage.[/quote]


* Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006).
* Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of [B]hate crimes[/B]. (Jun 2002).
* Voted NO on expanding [B]hate crimes[/B] to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000).
* Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996).
* Voted NO on prohibiting job [B]discrimination[/B] by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996).

I guess beating/killing someone because they're gay doesn't qualify as hate crime.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;344427]Ironyyyy.

Wife must've been giving him the cold shoulder.
I mean.. everyone's the same if you just close your eyes.. Haha.[/QUOTE]

they are!!!!! :eek:

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I wonder why the Virginia [URL="http://www.northcountrygazette.org/news/2007/06/02/admits_possession/"]head of the ACLU getting found with kiddie porn[/URL] wasn't a big story. Actually, no I don't.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee;344480]I wonder why the Virginia [URL="http://www.northcountrygazette.org/news/2007/06/02/admits_possession/"]head of the ACLU getting found with kiddie porn[/URL] wasn't a big story. Actually, no I don't.[/QUOTE]

All I have to say is wow.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;344427]Ironyyyy.

Wife must've been giving him the cold shoulder.
I mean.. everyone's the same if you just close your eyes.. Haha.[/quote]
this is wrong in sooo many ways:)

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Re-enactment

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gotta love the people runnin our country.... ahhhhhhh.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;344722]Re-enactment

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Sandals with a suit? Haha, that should be a crime. :doh:

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His inspiration:


[quote]

“It depends on how you define “alone” … there were a lot of times when we were alone, but I never really thought we were.”

- Bill Clinton
[/quote]


There's such an uproar over a Senator getting caught in this and there SHOULD be, but where's all of the anger and disgust over the gay community having "hand signals" to request sex in the same public restrooms that you and our kids use? That's just nasty.

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buster, you and your republican buddies are mad at Clinton for having sex with a woman? what about sex in bathrooms with guys? is this how your party rolls?

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Buster, the difference is those people cruising for sex are forced to do so because of people like yourself. They're embarrassed to come out because of what people at their job, etc will think of them.

There's also a massive difference between someone looking for sex, and someone that sits there and tells the gay community they're going to hell, etc etc then comes out and does the same thing. Hypocrites suck.

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[quote=dmek25;344903]buster, you and your republican buddies are mad at Clinton for having sex with a woman? what about sex in bathrooms with guys? is this how your party rolls?[/quote]

See, this is a big part of the problem today...so many people want to judge everything based on the political party of the person involved. A President who has affairs, gropes and rapes is wrong whether it's a Republican, Democrat or Canadian Communist. This Senator's behavior is wrong too, no matter his party. HOWEVER, he'll be forced out (and deservingly) and it's all we'll read and hear about for a year but if a Democrat did it, the media wouldn't cover it and he'd be allowed to stay in office. Barney Frank is gay and has been cited for soliciting gay prostitution AND ran a gay sex ring gtom his own, so they gave him counseling and re-elected him. Ted Kennedy killed a woman and has enjoyed a long career afterwards. Robert Byrd was a KKK leader and is going on, what 60 years in office? However, a Republican can make a joke at a birthday party and be forced out of office (Trent Lott).

Right is right and wrong is wrong, until politics are involved.

I'm sickened by this perverts actions without even knowing his political party. I just wish everyone could have that reaction before checking to see how it hurts or helps their party...ESPECIALLY the media.

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[quote=Daseal;344909]Buster, the difference is those people cruising for sex are forced to do so because of people like yourself. They're embarrassed to come out because of what people at their job, etc will think of them.

There's also a massive difference between someone looking for sex, and someone that sits there and tells the gay community they're going to hell, etc etc then comes out and does the same thing. Hypocrites suck.[/quote]

I agree with your last 2 words. However, 2 people guilty of the same thing are just as disgusting as the other, whether they've criticized the act or not.


And don't give me the "the poor gays are forced to do it in bathrooms" because of me crap...sex is a PRIVATE thing no matter how or with whom you decide to do it with and it should STAY private. The government isn't raiding homes checking to see if people are having gay or straight sex, so there's no reason it should be done in a public place. Keep it in the bedroom. That's the main reason gays are discriminated against, because they feel they have to make everything public, whether it's by having parades or putting a rainbow sticker on your car. I don't have a "I like vagina" sticker on my car and if I did, it would be wrong and rightly removed. However, the guy in the car with the rainbow is advertising he likes gay sex, why the double standard? Oh yeah, we're afraid to offend them.

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Well I think you may have opened up the debate to a political discussion when you brought up Bill Clinton. And then, if you really wanted to convey that you don't think it's political, you wouldn't have brought up 3 Democrats just now.

Either way, you're right that the political party shouldn't matter here.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;344734]gotta love the people runnin our country.... ahhhhhhh.[/QUOTE]

Well, I am not defending what he did what-so-ever, but they are only human too.
Again, not saying I agree with what he did, but what applies to an individual does not always apply to the country as a whole.

We as a society are so quick to jump on our officials and try to find any flaw, I wish we spent that much time looking in the mirror!

That being said, it's pretty gross what he did. Although would I kick a gay elected official out of office...no. So what's the big deal?

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[quote=SmootSmack;344925]Well I think you may have opened up the debate to a political discussion when you brought up Bill Clinton. And then, if you really wanted to convey that you don't think it's political, you wouldn't have brought up 3 Democrats just now.

Either way, you're right that the political party shouldn't matter here.[/quote]

Oh, I know there are plenty of Republicans who do bad things. But the difference is, the media runs it into the ground and they lose their jobs like they deserve to. I was citing examples of people who did horrible things and paid no price for it.

The political influence on right and wrong issues is disturbing.

I mention Clinton's name and everyone assumes I'm starting a political attack, but if I had voted for him, I'd be just as outraged and want his removal just because it is the right thing to do.

I also wonder, if Bill Clinton was involved in this scandal, I bet he'd be treated like a hero. "Look, he can do people of BOTH sexes!"

You're right, I did bring a political side to the discussion, but that's only because it's impossible not to since he's a public official. The political aspect was introduced in the FIRST post of this thread. There's no need to specify "conservative senator". He's a senator and he did something wrong. His voting record should not have a bearing on his punishment.

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[quote=jsarno;344926]Well, I am not defending what he did what-so-ever, but they are only human too.
Again, not saying I agree with what he did, but what applies to an individual does not always apply to the country as a whole.

We as a society are so quick to jump on our officials and try to find any flaw, I wish we spent that much time looking in the mirror!

That being said, it's pretty gross what he did. Although would I kick a gay elected official out of office...no. So what's the big deal?[/quote]

Yes they're "only human", but if you're going to take on the task of running the country, you better be better than the average person. Weaknesses in character when you're in a position of power can lead to you and your job being manipulated by blackmail. Look at former Governor McGreevy of NJ, he ended up having to give a male mistress a job to keep them quiet and it still didn't work.

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[quote=Buster;344922]See, this is a big part of the problem today...so many people want to judge everything based on the political party of the person involved. A President who has affairs, gropes and rapes is wrong whether it's a Republican, Democrat or Canadian Communist. This Senator's behavior is wrong too, no matter his party. HOWEVER, he'll be forced out (and deservingly) and it's all we'll read and hear about for a year but if a Democrat did it, the media wouldn't cover it and he'd be allowed to stay in office. Barney Frank is gay and has been cited for soliciting gay prostitution AND ran a gay sex ring gtom his own, so they gave him counseling and re-elected him. Ted Kennedy killed a woman and has enjoyed a long career afterwards. Robert Byrd was a KKK leader and is going on, what 60 years in office? However, a Republican can make a joke at a birthday party and be forced out of office (Trent Lott).

Right is right and wrong is wrong, until politics are involved.

I'm sickened by this perverts actions without even knowing his political party. I just wish everyone could have that reaction before checking to see how it hurts or helps their party...ESPECIALLY the media.[/quote]

Barney Frank has been openly gay for years. I don't think he was ever in the closet for that matter. So his sexual orientation never ruffled any political feathers because people knew what they were getting from jump street. As for Senator Byrd, sixty years ago what politician didn't have racial attitudes toward other ethnicities or weren't flat out racist? Not many. I think it's more of a testament that Senator Byrd has survived and overcome his own racial impediments and changed over the years. He has, in no uncetain terms, openly talked about, admitted, and regretted that time in his life. I've read accounts where African-American members of Congress have had great interactions with Senator Byrd and didn't in the least bit feel slighted because of their color. He regrets that time in his life, and has moved on to become one of the most influential members of the Senate today. I won't touch the Kennedy incident because I'm not sure if it was an accident or murder. Some feel it was a cover up, and some obviously don't.

I think it's important to keep in mind context and timing. Some things are perceived to be more or less sensitive in nature depending on where and when they occur. For instance, if Senator Byrd were to walk down the street today with a white hood over his head, do you really think he'd still be a Senator? Of course not.

Conversely, Trent Lott should have known better by letting those comments, however unintentional, slip out in a day and time when the media loves to crucify public figures. Is Trent Lott racist? I don't know. But he gave them too much ammo, in the wrong setting at the wrong damn time. Had he said what he said in the back of his Lincoln, no one would give a rat's ass.

This Senator that got caught in the restroom yesterday, in my mind, is simply guilty of some indescretion. No one is out to get Republicans, by the way. This is the party that touts itself as the voice of the moral majority, the media didn't create that perception. So with that there is a certain amount of public scrutiny and sometimes undo judgement that goes with the territory. When a Republican party member gets caught in a moral jam, the media takes that perception and amplify it for us to judge.

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[QUOTE=Buster;344930]Yes they're "only human", but if you're going to take on the task of running the country, you better be better than the average person. Weaknesses in character when you're in a position of power can lead to you and your job being manipulated by blackmail. Look at former Governor McGreevy of NJ, he ended up having to give a male mistress a job to keep them quiet and it still didn't work.[/QUOTE]

LOL...then we're all skrewed, cause they're not!!!

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[quote=jsarno;344941]LOL...then we're all skrewed, cause they're not!!![/quote]

I can't disagree. :)

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Any man who preaches one thing and practices another deserves whatever the mob dishes out, especially Republicans. Why especially Republicans? Because they preach morality and play the family values card to sell themselves.

I simply can't forgive liars and hypocrites. Only depraved people can do what Craig did. There is no reason why he on anyone like him should be allowed to continue is a position of authority.

BTW, I don't think this issue is a Republican vs Democrat issue though I do hold Republicans to higher standards when it comes to incidents like this.

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[quote=Buster;344923]I agree with your last 2 words. However, 2 people guilty of the same thing are just as disgusting as the other, whether they've criticized the act or not.


And don't give me the "the poor gays are forced to do it in bathrooms" because of me crap...sex is a PRIVATE thing no matter how or with whom you decide to do it with and it should STAY private. The government isn't raiding homes checking to see if people are having gay or straight sex, so there's no reason it should be done in a public place. Keep it in the bedroom. That's the main reason gays are discriminated against, because they feel they have to make everything public, whether it's by having parades or putting a rainbow sticker on your car. I don't have a "I like vagina" sticker on my car and if I did, it would be wrong and rightly removed. However, the guy in the car with the rainbow is advertising he likes gay sex, why the double standard? Oh yeah, we're afraid to offend them.[/quote]

Okay, I'm gonna put myself out there and say most of the people I associate with are gay people both men and women. And I myself consider myself as being a "open-minded female". Take it how you want it. But I have to say that NONE feel like they have to advertise themself as being gay. And for someone to basically outright say that Gay people set themselves up to be discriminated against is straight up stupid and a completely general answer from someone who obviously doesn't converse with many, if any gay people.

Most of the people I know don't scream out their windows that their gay. If someone asks, they'll tell them and leave it at that. Of course there's the yearly parade but who's that hurting? If a gay person wants to make it public knowledge that their gay, then who has a right to bitch about it? You don't have to like it, but don't make it seem like its their own fault that every now and then some sociopathic person flips out and kills some random gay person. The rainbow sticker doesn't have to mean that they're GAY. It could just mean they support gay rights. I mean just because there's some Black guy with his seat back, in a tinted pimped out car doesn't mean he's selling drugs or some street thug.

And on top of that, I know plenty of guys who wear shirts that says things like "I eat p*ssy" with a little cat tail hanging out the dogs mouth or whatever. And of course people kinda gawk but who cares what people say or do? If you wanted to put up a sticker that said you loved p*ssy. I wouldn't care and no one should because if you did, then you're really petty. Gay people aren't pushovers so if you got something negative to say about their lifestyle or who they are, I'm sure they won't care if you say it or not cause at the end of the day they're still going home to their respective partners.

I guess because I'm walking around with Brown skin, I'm setting myself up to get lynched as well eh? And don't give me that "It's-not-your-choice-whether-or-not-you're-Black" BS.

...Because look at Michael Jackson. Haha.

But basically this argument is exhibit A of profiling someone based upon how they act or look. Again, more reasons why people in society will never get along, busy pointing out everyone elses differences.

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Did I hear correctly? Did Buster call Bill Clinton a rapist?

Clinton had sex with an intern who consented to the affair. I'm not huge on him having an affair on his wife, but I feel that's his personal business. It's when you start harping against that stuff and running your campaign on it, then do it that I have a real problem. If this guy didn't base his campaign around hating gay folks, then I wouldn't really care less.

No one seemed to care when Kennedy was banging out Marilyn Monroe on a regular basis.

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[QUOTE=Buster;344929]I mention Clinton's name and everyone assumes I'm starting a political attack, but if I had voted for him, I'd be just as outraged and want his removal just because it is the right thing to do.[/QUOTE]

You'd really want a President you voted for to be removed for getting a B.J. and/or lying about it?

I don't think Sen. Craig should resign or be disavowed because he was trying to score some action in a bathroom. I think he should be ridiculed for being a grade A a-hole. A guy who champions himself as a "family values" conservative and who rails against gays, but who is trying to get with boys in the boys room, deserves to be "outed" as an idiot and hypocrite.

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i hate politicians soooo much it isnt even funny.

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[quote=dall-assblows;345028]i hate politicians soooo much it isnt even funny.[/quote]

Yeah. Politicians screw up the country!

I declare anarchy!

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;345028]i hate politicians soooo much it isnt even funny.[/QUOTE]

Why?
They have a job that the majority of us don't want, and they are tempted every 3 seconds with doing something illegal. What if you were approached to sign a bill that you were slightly against, but someone offered you 50k to sign it? Would you do it? Of course the majority of us say yes because we're not in the situation, but what if you weren't?
It's like the man that doesn't want to cheat on his wife, but when he's presented with Jessica Alba and no one would know, how many truely wouldn't cheat?

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[quote=Daseal;345015]Did I hear correctly? Did Buster call Bill Clinton a rapist?

Clinton had sex with an intern who consented to the affair. I'm not huge on him having an affair on his wife, but I feel that's his personal business. It's when you start harping against that stuff and running your campaign on it, then do it that I have a real problem. If this guy didn't base his campaign around hating gay folks, then I wouldn't really care less.

No one seemed to care when Kennedy was banging out Marilyn Monroe on a regular basis.[/quote]

Juanita Broaddrick. Look her up.

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Well if you're gonna use Juanita Broadrick here, shouldn't you preface rape with "alleged"

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[quote=jsarno;345049]Why?
They have a job that the majority of us don't want, and they are tempted every 3 seconds with doing something illegal. What if you were approached to sign a bill that you were slightly against, but someone offered you 50k to sign it? Would you do it? Of course the majority of us say yes because we're not in the situation, but what if you weren't?
It's like the man that doesn't want to cheat on his wife, but when he's presented with Jessica Alba and no one would know, how many truely wouldn't cheat?[/quote]

WOW! Have you heard of morales? You are saying the only thing that keeps you from doing in-morale acts is the chance of being caught. Not good my friend.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;345253]WOW! Have you heard of morales? You are saying the only thing that keeps you from doing in-morale acts is the chance of being caught. Not good my friend.[/QUOTE]


I think you need to go back and read my comment again.
#1- that's not what I said for me personally, but the majority of people that do poor things are because they feel they won't get caught, and everyone in the world has done something immoral. So please don't try to sound so high and mighty, you're not perfect either.
#2- I have never cheated on my wife, but if Jessica Alba showed up on my doorstep, it would be damn tough to say no.
#3- You are obviously not capable of seeing things beyond your nose by saying what you said. You can not understand what these guys go through. It has to be tough to say no to thousands of dollars, and doing things that may seem insignificant for personal gain.
Everyone can sit back and judge, but not everyone is capable of seeing things from someone elses perspective. Fact is, no one knows how they respond to a situation until they are in that situation.
Being a politician is tough. You are thought of as scum in most cases, or at the least corrupt. You are in the public eye (no more so than in the DC area) and every time you take a shit, there is someone there to comment on it. You skrew up at all and it's all over the news. These are just people, and they are only human.

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you know why i hate politicians?

its because they arent america, they never went to a public school, they never had a real job. they are not what america is all about. how can you run a country in which you have never really had to do anything in?

i used to vote but im not sure i will again. for the simple fact that it doesnt matter which is elected, they all fuck up the country even more anyways.

excuse my french

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;347099]you know why i hate politicians?

its because they arent america, they never went to a public school, they never had a real job. they are not what america is all about. how can you run a country in which you have never really had to do anything in?

i used to vote but im not sure i will again. for the simple fact that it doesnt matter which is elected, they all fuck up the country even more anyways.

excuse my french[/QUOTE]

That's actually a very good point. Most politicians, even though they claim they came from "the streets" do not understand the fact that they had a silver spoon in their mouth from the get go. How can you understand the common man, when you are far from common?
On the flip side, the common man would never make it because we the people would never vote for someone like that, and the common man does not have the financial backing.
So how does someone overcome those obsticles?