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[url=http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/229753.html]Campbell facing imposing challenge vs. Dolphins - 09/08/2007 - MiamiHerald.com[/url]

I thought this article was a good reminder that Jason has his work cut out for him against the Miami defense. I'm confident he will do well, but these guys are a handful.

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LOL a bit of a homer slant but that's to be expected I guess. They're not the '86 Bears.

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[B]"Your running game has been clogged like an old sink, the secondary is confusing you with funky coverages and defensive wizard Dom Capers hasn't even started with his zone blitzes yet."[/B]
Yea we'll see about that.
[B]"Tim Hasselbeck, Matt Cassel, Brooks Bollinger, Tim Rattay and even Rex Grossman all have been victimized by Miami's defense."[/B]
I wouldn't put JC in this class, I guess they just mean that the D has done well vs young QBs. Only Grossman still starts though.

I do agree that if the fins D gets to JC it could be an extremely long day for the skins. I want quick decisions.

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as long as campbell doesn't have to face too many 3rd and long situations, he should be fine.

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So how do you handle a 4th ranked swarming defense? You play NFL East style "SMASH MOUTH" football, in other words Redskins football. You go at the them with the running game and pound them like a hammer, Portis, Betts, SELLERS,Cartwright, boom!! I believe they are pretty light players and like a boxer, after you wear the out you go for the KILL!!

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That's why I'd like to see Sellers get some early action. Bringing him down takes a lot of effort.

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At least you guys are showing a little respect for our defense now... ;)

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This article is ridiculously biased, I cant even take it seriously. All of those QB's mentioned besides Grossman arent even starters.

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[quote=FinNasty;348613]At least you guys are showing a little respect for our defense now... ;)[/quote]
i respect your defense. but i dont sense the same kind of respect for our offense. i think the redskins will be able to run on the dolphins, as long as they stick with it

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[QUOTE=dmek25;348620]i respect your defense. but i dont sense the same kind of respect for our offense. i think the redskins will be able to run on the dolphins, as long as they stick with it[/QUOTE]

Well, thats because I dont believe your offense is one of the best in the league... like the Fins defense is.

Its good though... I aint slamming it. I'm not expecting a shut out by any means. But you arnt going to light up our defense. I am predicting 13-17 pts from your offense (but your D could score too with our offense)...

And I also think your offense would be getting more respect if Portis was healthy and ready to go. That is another reason I dont think it is getting as much credit as you feel it deserves...

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Portis is healthy and ready to go.

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Portis is healthy and ready to go.

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This game is going to rely on Campbell. Their back 4 are simply just bad. Their front 7 rival that of any in the nfl. We still need to pound the ball, but I expect a lot of high percentage quick plays in the passing game, tons of running, and the occasional play action and go deep.

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[QUOTE=Cowell;348628]Portis is healthy and ready to go.[/QUOTE]

He isnt 100% though, is he? I know he will be healthy enough to play... but he isnt going to be getting the full load, right? Wont he be splitting snaps?

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Bet the under in this one, neither should be able to move the ball much as this one will be dominated by defense, this is 2 teams that are very similar, outstanding defense coupled with mediocre offenses, this game could be ugly.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;348639]This game is going to rely on Campbell. Their back 4 are simply just bad. Their front 7 rival that of any in the nfl. We still need to pound the ball, but I expect a lot of high percentage quick plays in the passing game, tons of running, and the occasional play action and go deep.[/QUOTE]

Our safeties arnt bad... they are solid. But our corners are average...

Play action deep to Moss is probably a good bet. As long as your ground game had been effective to set it up... to make our pass rushers bite on it and go after the RB. If so, you could probably get one off to a WR whose CB was peaking in the backfield...

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[QUOTE=FinNasty;348641]He isnt 100% though, is he? I know he will be healthy enough to play... but he isnt going to be getting the full load, right? Wont he be splitting snaps?[/QUOTE]

Portis isn't the guy you have to watch out for it's Betts, Portis's health in this one wont make a bit of difference, he's not a power runner, Betts is quicker to the hole and stronger, he's much more suited for this game. as your front 7 will make running very difficult. Mason if he see's time would be the other guy that could do damage as well, I like him more than Rock.

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Both defense's are better than the offenses's they're playing, thus field position, as well as home field advantage will be key for the Redskins. Every week in the NFL is a challenge, I'm confident Jason and the team are up to it.

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Reading that article you would think their defense won the super bowl single handedly last year and JC has to clime mount everest to get a drink of water.

pst, we have a pretty good offensive line, two great running backs, and pretty good wide receivers too you know.

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[quote=FinNasty;348641]He isnt 100% though, is he? I know he will be healthy enough to play... but he isnt going to be getting the full load, right? Wont he be splitting snaps?[/quote]
He said he felt no discomfort in his knee during practice. He's listed as probable. Betts will get some carries, but Portis will get more.

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The key to the game tomorrow is our offensive line needs to protect JC and open holes for our backs. The Dolphins D had 47 sacks last year (3rd overall in the NFL). So Samuels and Kendall better get familiar with each other quick, or we are in trouble.

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The game is going to be won or lost at the line of scrimmage. If our O-line holds up to Miami's formidable (but not dominant) front seven, our offense will put up enough points (16-21) to beat Miami.

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Well JP Losman got 3 TD passes against that D last year so...

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;348668]Well JP Losman got 3 TD passes against that D last year so...[/QUOTE]

WoW! The same JP Losman who is never drafted by anyone's Fantasy team?

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;348666]The game is going to be won or lost at the line of scrimmage. If our O-line holds up to Miami's formidable (but not dominant) front seven, our offense will put up enough points (16-21) to beat Miami.[/QUOTE]

How is it not dominant? We were 3rd in the league in sacks. We were 5th in the league against the run (3.5 ypc). And that was without Joey Porter! Not to mention, the rest of the talent that is in that front 7. The leading tackler in the NFL last year (Zach Thomas), the Defensive Player of the Year (Jason Taylor), Channing Crowder, Vonnie Holiday, and Matt Roth.

Our front 7 is one of the best in the league...

You can crack our offense... or even our secondary. But to not respect our front 7 is ignorant...

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[quote=FinNasty;348699]How is it not dominant? We were 3rd in the league in sacks. We were 5th in the league against the run (3.5 ypc). And that was without Joey Porter! Not to mention, the rest of the talent that is in that front 7. The leading tackler in the NFL last year (Zach Thomas), the Defensive Player of the Year (Jason Taylor), Channing Crowder, Vonnie Holiday, and Matt Roth.

Our front 7 is one of the best in the league...

You can crack our offense... or even our secondary. But to not respect our front 7 is ignorant...[/quote]Past defensive performance is one of the worst predictors of future defensive performance. It's why the league gets shook up every year and the Redskins can be 4th in D one year, and 32nd the next.

Fins have a lot of talent on the defense, but they aren't young.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;348700]Past defensive performance is one of the worst predictors of future defensive performance. It's why the league gets shook up every year and the Redskins can be 4th in D one year, and 32nd the next.

Fins have a lot of talent on the defense, but they aren't young.[/QUOTE]

So you expect a fall off... even though they improved the talent?

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[quote=FinNasty;348702]So you expect a fall off... even though they improved the talent?[/quote]I think a fall off is inevitable. They were top ten last year. If they can stay top half, the Fins have a chance to be .500 (or maybe a bit better). But as good as Thomas and Taylor have been, it's not like they will be this good when they are 60. At some point production peaks and begins to slide.

How else has Miami improved their D? Porter? He's in the same boat as the other two with age.

What about whatshisface safety you guys drafted from Tennessee last season. Is he going to be in the starting lineup this year? Is Channing Crowder going to be a lot better than last season? Wheres all this optimism coming from?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;348703]I think a fall off is inevitable. They were top ten last year. If they can stay top half, the Fins have a chance to be .500 (or maybe a bit better). But as good as Thomas and Taylor have been, it's not like they will be this good when they are 60. At some point production peaks and begins to slide.

How else has Miami improved their D? Porter? He's in the same boat as the other two with age.

What about whatshisface safety you guys drafted from Tennessee last season. Is he going to be in the starting lineup this year? Is Channing Crowder going to be a lot better than last season? Wheres all this optimism coming from?[/QUOTE]yea what he said damnit....xredskins players sometimes haunt us 2. trent green is a quality guy. shit i used to pull for him when he was here. but i wont happen tomorrow, we getting in a winning style early this year...good luck though dolfan wish i had some mahi for the grill at the stadium tomorrow....

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[FONT=Verdana][quote=GTripp0012;348703]I think a fall off is inevitable. They were top ten last year. If they can stay top half, the Fins have a chance to be .500 (or maybe a bit better). But as good as Thomas and Taylor have been, it's not like they will be this good when they are 60. At some point production peaks and begins to slide.

How else has Miami improved their D? Porter? He's in the same boat as the other two with age.

What about whatshisface safety you guys drafted from Tennessee last season. Is he going to be in the starting lineup this year? Is Channing Crowder going to be a lot better than last season? Wheres all this optimism coming from?[/quote]

I doubt Jason Campbell and the offense are sanguine about facing the Dolphins' defense.

Redskins' offensive meeting:

Al Saunders: Ok, we are going to face a team in Miami that, yes, was ranked at nearly the top of the league last year, but who we can't expect much from on Sunday.

Jason Campbell: Yes, last I checked Porter is a year older than he was last year.

Clinton Portis: Right, these guys will be ready for collecting their old folks' government dole checks in another 35 years. If we have the National Defense, they should call their defense "Social Security."

Al Saunders: I like that, "Social Security." It's so true. We are talking cupcakes here. I'll tell you what - toss that 700 page playbook out. Let's just go sandlot tomorrow and have some fun.

Jason Campbell: What about Crowder? You'd think he would do better than over 100 tackles last year, second on the team on the 4th ranked defense in the NFL.

Chris Cooley: Yes you would think that. Wait a minute, why would you think that?

Al Saunders: Chris, are contradicting your starting quarterback?

Chris Cooley: No, sir.

Al Saunders: That's what I thought.

Santana Moss: Can I get in a word about Porter? "30" That's all you need to know about his ability. He's 30 years old. This guy was born during the Carter administration! I wouldn't worry about him at all.

Jon Jansen: He'll probably be on the oxygen tank by the first commercial time out.

Mike Sellers: I don't think I have the heart to hit him.

Joe Bugel: You'll be out of the game faster than you know what hit you if you do hit him, Sellers. Let Porter run around back there. He's on a new team and we don't want to embarass the old codger. He can't do any harm. He's going to look like Tim Conway doing the old man walk.

Antwaan Randle El: Tim Conway doing the old man walk?

Joe Bugel: Yes, like when when he was on The Carol Burnett Show.

Randy Thomas: The Carol Burnett Show? Well, I'm glad we're all spring chickens around here.

Jason Campbell: Alright, I wanted us to relax about Miami, but I think this is getting a little out of hand.

Al Saunders: No, Jason, this is right on target. Look at this chart: as you can see, with each passing year, a person gets one year older. At some point, a person physically just falls apart. Now when you look at Miami's defense, I noticed something remarkable. Not one but every single player has gotten a year older. It's obvious they are going to collapse.

Jon Jansen: Wow. Can you believe that? What about the back ups though? Did they get any younger?

Al Saunders: I checked on them. You're not going to believe what I found.

Jon Jansen: No.

Al Saunders: Yes. They all got a year older too. Every last one.

Donald Rumsfeld: It'll be a cakewalk.

Jason Campbell: I don't think this mission is accomplished yet.

Joe Gibbs: (To himself) I think I need to be at all the offensive meetings from now on.


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JC is the man point blank

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[quote=FinNasty;348702]So you expect a fall off... even though they improved the talent?[/quote]

Enough talk. Everybody knows Miami had a great defense last year, and chances are that should carry over into this year. But, until the game is played nobody knows for sure what to expect. Let's see what happens, and come back after the game and talk then.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;348763]Enough talk. Everybody knows Miami had a great defense last year, and chances are that should carry over into this year. But, until the game is played nobody knows for sure what to expect. Let's see what happens, and come back after the game and talk then.[/quote]

I think adding Joey Porter actually makes this defense even better. DC Dom Capers simplified things for the secondary as well as Saban had too many options for the safeties to think about. Hopefully fans on either side will not cut their wrists thinking it's the end of the world if they lose.

The winner of this game will be the one that dominates the line of scrimmage. You can say this about any game, but this the supreme key for this game. If you are a fan of defense then this will be your game.


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[B]Y[/B]ou are Jason Campbell. You are the Washington Redskins quarterback this weekend. You are facing the Dolphins defense. And you have issues.
On the field, you see Jason Taylor, only the NFL's defensive player of the year in 2006, and he's charging you like a locomotive with no brakes. On the other side is a snarling, scowling Joey Porter and he's coming just as hard as Taylor -- except that's not your left tackle trying to block him.
It's your running back.

This is a bad situation getting worse because the Dolphins also have ascending pass-rusher Matt Roth chasing you, Vonnie Holliday, too. Your running game has been clogged like an old sink, the secondary is confusing you with funky coverages and defensive wizard Dom Capers hasn't even started with his zone blitzes yet.

You are Jason Campbell. Can you overcome these problems to beat the Dolphins?

That's the most fundamental question Sunday. It's the question that could determine the game's outcome.


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And this as well.

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The Dolphins -- despite their warts the past four seasons -- have feasted on young quarterbacks as if they were turkeys on Thanksgiving. Young quarterbacks Tim Hasselbeck, Matt Cassel, Brooks Bollinger, Tim Rattay and even Rex Grossman all have been victimized by Miami's defense during that time.
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Campbell was 12/21 222 yds and 2 INTs - not a stellar game, but I'd put that on Campbell just being young and inexperienced not on Miami's vaunted defense.

It was a tight, defensive game just like everyone expected. It seems Miami took Portis and our running game for granted as if it just wouldn't be an issue, especially given that article in the Miami Herald. The Skins ended up with 194 rushing yards on the day, Portis with 98 yards and a 5.7 YPC average.

Funny that the thing the Dolphins pretty much ignored turned out to be the most potent part of our offense.

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Even though he threw 2 picks I thought JC held up well.

The first pick might have been due to Cooley running a lazy route. The second one I didn't mind either since he was taking a deep shot with Lloyd one on one. With his jumping ability that was worth the risk.

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[quote=offiss;348645][B]Portis isn't the guy you have to watch out for it's Betts[/B], Portis's health in this one wont make a bit of difference, he's not a power runner, Betts is quicker to the hole and stronger, he's much more suited for this game. as your front 7 will make running very difficult. Mason if he see's time would be the other guy that could do damage as well, I like him more than Rock.[/quote]

Hmmm, really?

;)

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[quote=FinNasty;348624]Well, thats because I dont believe your offense is one of the best in the league... like the Fins defense is.

Its good though... I aint slamming it. I'm not expecting a shut out by any means. But you arnt going to light up our defense. I am predicting 13-17 pts from your offense (but your D could score too with our offense)...

And I also think your offense would be getting more respect if Portis was healthy and ready to go. That is another reason I dont think it is getting as much credit as you feel it deserves...[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that ole CP answered these questions for ya! Good game and your defense needs some help stopping the run. Late in the game they really started to get tired and gashed which tells me the depth isn't there to spell that front 7. Don't get me wrong as I still think they are a great defense, but didn't have the better day today in regards to the run game.