How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

Call Timeout right at the snap of any FG attempt in the first half > 40 yards. That's a cheap use of a Time Out for the first half to gain 3 points and field position.

Every team in the NFL should do this until the NFL puts a stop to the nonsense.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

That is the worst rule. It makes no sense at all. I hate it.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

Of course it is. Its legalized cheating. Still, we should do it. This game is bigger than big, we **MUST** win this one. Dial up another week 2 Miracle Monday Joe!

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Que?

Need explanation...

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

if i was the coach for the raiders yesterday i would not have walked across the field and shook hands with the other coach. i think thats a bs rule and even though it is leagal, its still disrespectful from a coaching standpoint. maybe im a little overeacting..... but damn if i was a raiders fan after all the crap they deal with....

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

well if they missed the first one and then made the second...

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

Its part of the game get over it...

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=chrisl4064;352605]if i was the coach for the raiders yesterday i would not have walked across the field and shook hands with the other coach. i think thats a bs rule and even though it is leagal, its still disrespectful from a coaching standpoint. maybe im a little overeacting..... but damn if i was a raiders fan after all the crap they deal with....[/quote]If that was Gibbs would you still have the same feeling. I don't have a problem with Icing the kicker but the rule should not allow you to wait until right before the snap to Ice the kicker. Its a rule and the coach used it to his advantage so I do not have a problem with it.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=firstdown;352618]If that was Gibbs would you still have the same feeling. I don't have a problem with Icing the kicker but the rule should not allow you to wait until right before the snap to Ice the kicker. Its a rule and the coach used it to his advantage so I do not have a problem with it.[/quote]


true, i guess im just looking at it from a fans view. the raiders are always getting screwed like this, well that and they suck but still. it was a division game and could have been a good win for them.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=firstdown;352618]If that was Gibbs would you still have the same feeling. I don't have a problem with Icing the kicker but the rule should not allow you to wait until right before the snap to Ice the kicker. Its a rule and the coach used it to his advantage so I do not have a problem with it.[/quote]

I agree, but I'm not the least bit surprised that it was Shanahan that did it. Questionable tactics are a regular part of his coaching strategy.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=Southpaw;352628]I agree, but I'm not the least bit surprised that it was Shanahan that did it. Questionable tactics are a regular part of his coaching strategy.[/quote]
What was questionable about an allowed timeout which he took and gave his team the victory. He was under the rules which the NFL has established for all teams so he did what he was hired to do.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

icing the kicker is one thing, but calling timeout as the snap goes (and telling the ref to call timeout as it is snapped) is something else.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=firstdown;352630]What was questionable about an allowed timeout which he took and gave his team the victory. He was under the rules which the NFL has established for all teams so he did what he was hired to do.[/quote]



right, its understood that the rule is legal, however its cheap. funny how it panned out yesteday, i told a friend janikowski was gonna blow it right before the kick, didnt think i was right at first but then......

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=firstdown;352630]What was questionable about an allowed timeout which he took and gave his team the victory. He was under the rules which the NFL has established for all teams so he did what he was hired to do.[/quote]

It's questionable because everyone is questioning the legitimacy of the rule, due to that one play and it could very well lead to a rule change.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

If it leads to a rule change then thats fine by me because I do not like the rule but all coaches have tried to ice a kicker before. He just realy timed his very well as he still had to call the timeout himself and I guess thats what people are getting on him for. Now if the kicker would have missed the first then nailed the second then we would not even be talking about this.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

i thought they implemented a rule about that about icing the kicker or atleast thinking about it

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

Yeah, it definitely sucks for the Raiders the way they lost that game. I would like to see a rule change that says you can't call timeout with less than 10 on the play clock unless your on offense. There's probably some flaws with that idea but it would work.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=firstdown;352618]If that was Gibbs would you still have the same feeling. I don't have a problem with Icing the kicker but the rule should not allow you to wait until right before the snap to Ice the kicker. Its a rule and the coach used it to his advantage so I do not have a problem with it.[/quote]But you see this is the whole point of the argument. Gibbs is not an sh*thead, and would not do something like this.

For those of you who didn't see the game, what Shanahan did was specifically wait until the ball was snapped to take a timeout specifically to delay the inevitable. I don't believe for a second that he gained any competitive advantage from this move, but the idea was to look be a complete jackass.

This was not icing the kicker because the teams were set for like ten seconds before the snap was taken. I don't believe icing the kicker does anything anyway, but those who believe it can be used to make the kicker think about his kick will take it as soon as the teams are set. Obviously, if Shanahan believed in icing the kicker, he would have taken his timeout sooned than he did.

Anyway, this was the last straw in watching the game for me, because I had just spent the past 3 hours watching him bitch, whine, and abuse the challenge policy (challenging the spot of a safety? what the f?!).

Ultimately, the officials have to shoulder the responsibility for the outcome of this game because the rules are clear on how timeout requests are allowed to be granted. Just because John Lynch walks on to the field at the snap to call a timeout does not mean they shouldn't get 12 men called on them. Have some balls and tell old Mike where to stick it. Don't allow his desire to make a grade-A ***hole of himself in front of Al Davis change the outcome of a game.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=mooby;352656]Yeah, it definitely sucks for the Raiders the way they lost that game. I would like to see a rule change that says you can't call timeout with less than 10 on the play clock unless your on offense. There's probably some flaws with that idea but it would work.[/quote]The current rule already states that a timeout can not be granted after the snap. That's good enough for me as long as the officials have the balls to administer it.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=firstdown;352630]What was questionable about an allowed timeout which he took and gave his team the victory. He was under the rules which the NFL has established for all teams so he did what he was hired to do.[/quote]

So HGH is ok because it doesnt get tested for......and dogfighting is ok cause it's a cultural thing. It's called morals and fair play...which the redskins always play by.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=The Zimmermans;352668]So HGH is ok because it doesnt get tested for......and dogfighting is ok cause it's a cultural thing. It's called morals and fair play...which the redskins always play by.[/quote]
Both HGH (I Think) and dog fighting are illegal so they are not very good examples. So the Skins have never called a timeout to ice a kicker?

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=GTripp0012;352665]But you see this is the whole point of the argument. Gibbs is not an sh*thead, and would not do something like this.

For those of you who didn't see the game, what Shanahan did was specifically wait until the ball was snapped to take a timeout specifically to delay the inevitable. I don't believe for a second that he gained any competitive advantage from this move, but the idea was to look be a complete jackass.

This was not icing the kicker because the teams were set for like ten seconds before the snap was taken. I don't believe icing the kicker does anything anyway, but those who believe it can be used to make the kicker think about his kick will take it as soon as the teams are set. Obviously, if Shanahan believed in icing the kicker, he would have taken his timeout sooned than he did.

Anyway, this was the last straw in watching the game for me, because I had just spent the past 3 hours watching him bitch, whine, and abuse the challenge policy (challenging the spot of a safety? what the f?!).

Ultimately, the officials have to shoulder the responsibility for the outcome of this game because the rules are clear on how timeout requests are allowed to be granted. Just because John Lynch walks on to the field at the snap to call a timeout does not mean they shouldn't get 12 men called on them. Have some balls and tell old Mike where to stick it. Don't allow his desire to make a grade-A ***hole of himself in front of Al Davis change the outcome of a game.[/quote]
So I see your a fan Shanahan!!

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

What a lack of vision!!!!! The only thing you can think of is stealing a lousy 3 points from the Eagles? Why stop at 3 points and try and throw the game for the Skins. Just do a "Kerrigan". It was perfected right here in Detroit. Just get a guy or two in Philly cop uniforms to get on the sidelines or in the tunnel for pregame warmups and whack MCNabb in the knee a dozen times with their nightsticks. Job done. Philly will tank and it will be between us and the Cowboys for the NFC East and probably the Conference.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;352678]What a lack of vision!!!!! The only thing you can think of is stealing a lousy 3 points from the Eagles? Why stop at 3 points and try and throw the game for the Skins. Just do a "Kerrigan". It was perfected right here in Detroit. Just get a guy or two in Philly cop uniforms to get on the sidelines or in the tunnel for pregame warmups and whack MCNabb in the knee a dozen times with their nightsticks. Job done. Philly will tank and it will be between us and the Cowboys for the NFC East and probably the Conference.[/quote]
Thats a good point but maybe as he is getting out of his car. If you wait until he is in the tunnel he would be surrounded by 40 some guys in pads and weighing between 190 to 340 pounds wanting to kill ya.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

New Rule, if you don't call time out 6 seconds before the ball is snapped during a field goal attempt by the opposing team you're penalized 5 yards and the other team is given the chance to re-kick.

Note: This rule applies only if the field goal ends the game.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=firstdown;352679]Thats a good point but maybe as he is getting out of his car. If you wait until he is in the tunnel he would be surrounded by 40 some guys in pads and weighing between 190 to 340 pounds wanting to kill ya.[/quote]
Yeah but he might not be with the entire team for say pregame warmups and it would be a hit and run like kerrigan was. Plus if you are packing are they really going to try anything?

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

Funny thing is the Eagles did try to pull that mess and they got burned for a TD

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

Ask Andy Reid how effective "Icing the kicker" is today! LOL.....that was awesome.


Again, Shanahan did not ice the kicker. He made the kicker rekick a 52 yard kick after the team thought they had just won the game. Sure, Shank could have missed it, but how can you claim it wasn't a competitive advantage when it took 3 points and a "W" off the board? The NFL needs to put a stop to this immediately. I won't stand for this happening to our team and, as said, we have too much class to pull that crap on the field ourselves.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[quote=brent;353661]Ask Andy Reid how effective "Icing the kicker" is today! LOL.....that was awesome.


Again, Shanahan did not ice the kicker. He made the kicker rekick a 52 yard kick after the team thought they had just won the game. Sure, Shank could have missed it, but how can you claim it wasn't a competitive advantage when it took 3 points and a "W" off the board? The NFL needs to put a stop to this immediately. I won't stand for this happening to our team and, as said, we have too much class to pull that crap on the field ourselves.[/quote]
Well it was done to us so we just sent the O back out and went for the TD instead of the FG.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

I'm not even sure if he was icing the kicker, maybe there was a personnel problem like we had. The kick wasn't long at all maybe 37 yards at the most.

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

[QUOTE=Cowell;353847]I'm not even sure if he was icing the kicker, maybe there was a personnel problem like we had. The kick wasn't long at all maybe 37 yards at the most.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20070918_Eagles_Notes____A_tough_night_for_Dawkins__a_warm_reception_for_Mahe.html]Eagles Notes | A tough night for Dawkins, a warm reception for Mahe | Inquirer | 09/18/2007[/url]

[QUOTE]Afterward, Reid said he called the time-out to make sure he had the right players on the field, adding that he believed the Eagles had only 10 players.[/quote]

Re: How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles
 

There you go, I was right he wasn't trying to ice Suisham. Pointless Suisham is too good anyway ;).