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I love it! 4 field goals. Love the fact that they played the WR's tight. And of course there is Landry, a beast for years to come. Also, you got to love tge coverage sacks and pressure on the QB.

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QB pressure was better, coverage was superb for the most part, though Eagles receivers aren't exactly house-hold names.

Believe it or not, the real test for our secondary will come next week against Burress, Toomer, and Shockey. Bad as the G-strings are, they know how to pass the ball.

Westbrook had 17 carries for 96 yards. Not good. Why can't they solve the Westbrook riddle?

Overall though, the D did the job no doubt. But there is a question as to just how good the Eagles really are.

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It's a bend but don't break philosophy and it certainly is working so far this year.

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Defense is back, that is for sure.. But we gotta work on QB pressure tho, once we are able to pressure QB lot of times.. Then we will be one of the best, even possibly in top 3..

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I f*cking hate this scheme. It is a dangerous scheme and eventually will lose us games. But I guess I have to embrace it is what we are now.

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[quote=FRPLG;353323]I f*cking hate this scheme. It is a dangerous scheme and eventually will lose us games. But I guess I have to embrace it is what we are now.[/quote]

Well it's winning games now, can't argue with that.

After last year's debacle I don't think we can be picky.

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I'm so proud of our D!!

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8 quarters of football and they only gave up 1 TD!!! If we can keep that up for the year we would have the #1 D, barnone!!!

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Secondary coverage was mostly pretty good, and excellent at times, but we really need to run receiving drills with those guys, because it literally seems like our DB's can't catch a ball when it hits them in the numbers.

D-Line was creating a lot of pressure. No major complaints there.

Linebackers were solid, though I think we missed too many tackles. I really have no patience with sloppy tackling. If you get a body on a guy, he needs to come down. Too often in the past, we would grab a guy for a loss or minimal gain and let him bounce it back the other way for a huge gain.

Overall I'm really pleased with the defensive performance tonight. I'd like to see us creating more turnovers (that overruled fumble would have been a great start) but keeping guys out of our end zone is a pretty nice talent, too.

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We are actually getting pressure on the QB!!! If we can only stay healthy this is a playoff type team!

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You know who really did well tonight? David Macklin. The guy never got beat and, whenever they showed replays, #38 was on his man. Why this guy was inactive last week is perplexing.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;353333]Well it's winning games now, can't argue with that.

After last year's debacle I don't think we can be picky.[/QUOTE]

I don't mind giving up field goals, as long as we're scoring touchdowns. Also, how great was it to see the dline getting pressure?

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Defense played extremely well tonight. You have to give it up to them for not giving up a TD. The three sacks were nice, but the only problem I have with the D is the lack of turnovers. If the D can start creating more turnovers they will be a force to be reckoned with.

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I agree that it'll be a test next week against NY's WRs and TEs, but Philly has the best underneath game in the league, IMO, and our D is not well designed for that. So they did well, given Philly's scheme.

What this D needs is TOs--watching the cowroids, it was like the Fins were trying to throw the ball to the roids DBs--why doesn't that happen to us? Is it our scheme? Bad luck? I think the TOs will come, but that's what this D is missing, and it's a big part of what Williams is trying to do, no doubt.

But only giving up FGs in philly, against MCNabb, who is one of the best red zone QBS--that's big time. To much underneath stuff and runs by Westbrook, but when it mattered, they held up. And they got some pressure and sacks. That's a very encouraging sign.

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And don't forget, Westbrook is GOOD (much as I hate that fact). He's an all-around player, and he gives everyone fits. Great out of the backfield as a receiver, and great as a cut-back runner. Tough to stop, even if you key on him. Thank god philly has NO WRs!

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;353381]You know who really did well tonight? David Macklin. The guy never got beat and, whenever they showed replays, #38 was on his man. Why this guy was inactive last week is perplexing.[/QUOTE]

MackSmack!!!

He's definitely solid. And Torrence played well too

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[quote=Mattyk72;353307]It's a bend but don't break philosophy and it certainly is working so far this year.[/quote]

So you think its part of a "plan" to give up yards and then stop the other team in the red zone? Personally I think the Skins just started playing more zone/cover2 and prevent at the end there. They gave up a ton of yards on those last 2 or 3 series and made the Eagles O look good. But once they got into the red zone there was just less space and Mcnabb's poor accuracy and 1 big hit kept the Eagles from scoring.

The Skins D looked far better in the first 3 quarters when CBs were locked on their sub par WRs man-to-man with someover help , (most of the time). I couln't believe it but I even saw some pressure on McNabb with just the front four.

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[quote=SmootSmack;353414]MackSmack!!!

He's definitely solid. And Torrence played well too[/quote]

Really saw a lot of different DBs in there tonight. I couldn't tell if it was a bunch of nickel/dime or substitutions. Or whether the subs were because of a plan or injury. Of course if the booth trio would stop talking about the Pat's cameragate maybe I coulda found out.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;353454]So you think its part of a "plan" to give up yards and then stop the other team in the red zone? Personally I think the Skins just started playing more zone/cover2 and prevent at the end there. They gave up a ton of yards on those last 2 or 3 series and made the Eagles O look good. But once they got into the red zone there was just less space and Mcnabb's poor accuracy and 1 big hit kept the Eagles from scoring.

The Skins D looked far better in the first 3 quarters when CBs were locked on their sub par WRs man-to-man with someover help , (most of the time). I couln't believe it but I even saw some pressure on McNabb with just the front four.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/13/AR2007091302425_2.html]Defense Aims to Corner Philadelphia - washingtonpost.com[/url]

[QUOTE]In their defensive backs meetings, players say the coaches have stressed eliminating big plays this season after a horrible deep defense last season, and are comfortable with the trade-off coming in 10- to 15-yard receptions at times.[/QUOTE]

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Where was Shawn Springs? Once again we didn't see much of him. I was impressed with Leigh Torrence's and David Macklin's play though, they were pretty good. Overall though we have work to do because against some of the better offenses in the league this philosophy won't work.

We also need to work on our tackling, Westbrook was once again having a good game against us. We won't be facing a back of his caliber next week when we play the Giants, but if we don't wrap up we'll be looking at a nice performance by whoever the Giants are using to replace Jacobs.

The main gripe I have is once again we are failing to create turnovers. I realize we can still be a good D if we don't get turnovers, but turnovers are such a crucial part of the game. Through 2 games we have one fumble recovery and no picks. That's a pretty bad sign if you ask me. Look at Cincy, they got 6 turnovers from Baltimore in one game. Good teams make turnovers happen, and so far they aren't happening for us.

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[quote=Mattyk72;353307]It's a bend but don't break philosophy and it certainly is working so far this year.[/quote]

Stop quoting Jaws, :)

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[quote=mooby;353469]Where was Shawn Springs? Once again we didn't see much of him. I was impressed with Leigh Torrence's and David Macklin's play though, they were pretty good. Overall though we have work to do because against some of the better offenses in the league this philosophy won't work.

We also need to work on our tackling, Westbrook was once again having a good game against us. We won't be facing a back of his caliber next week when we play the Giants, but if we don't wrap up we'll be looking at a nice performance by whoever the Giants are using to replace Jacobs.

The main gripe I have is once again we are failing to create turnovers. I realize we can still be a good D if we don't get turnovers, but turnovers are such a crucial part of the game. Through 2 games we have one fumble recovery and no picks. That's a pretty bad sign if you ask me. Look at Cincy, they got 6 turnovers from Baltimore in one game. Good teams make turnovers happen, and so far they aren't happening for us.[/quote]


Cincy also allowed 51 points to the browns...I'll take our no turnovers and 1 touchdown allowed in two games played

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[quote=Hijinx;353454]So you think its part of a "plan" to give up yards and then stop the other team in the red zone? Personally I think the Skins just started playing more zone/cover2 and prevent at the end there. They gave up a ton of yards on those last 2 or 3 series and made the Eagles O look good. But once they got into the red zone there was just less space and Mcnabb's poor accuracy and 1 big hit kept the Eagles from scoring.

The Skins D looked far better in the first 3 quarters when CBs were locked on their sub par WRs man-to-man with someover help , (most of the time). I couln't believe it but I even saw some pressure on McNabb with just the front four.[/quote]

I definitely think that GW would gladly let the opposing offense dink and dunk their way down the field all night long. Eventually a drive will stall or the offense will make a mistake.

We're not seeing the exotic blitz packages at all. It seems to be a very stripped down defense. Keep the ball in front of you, tackle, and don't give up the big play.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;353527]I definitely think that GW would gladly let the opposing offense dink and dunk their way down the field all night long. Eventually a drive will stall or the offense will make a mistake.

We're not seeing the exotic blitz packages at all. It seems to be a very stripped down defense. Keep the ball in front of you, tackle, and don't give up the big play.[/QUOTE]

I think exotic blitz packages will be more evident when a weapon like Westbrook isn't on the opposite team. Send seven at McNabb on an obvious pass and he can dink it to Westbrook for a ton. We saw Westbrook be the focus, and Westbrook still looked pretty good.

The sad flip side for Eagles fans is that McNabb [U]wasn't[/U] the focus, and he looked average.

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[quote=Mattyk72;353527]I definitely think that GW would gladly let the opposing offense dink and dunk their way down the field all night long. Eventually a drive will stall or the offense will make a mistake.

We're not seeing the exotic blitz packages at all. It seems to be a very stripped down defense. Keep the ball in front of you, tackle, and don't give up the big play.[/quote]

They played the same style against Miami. You are correct. This is a planned Bend and don't.....not McNabb. I really like a more agressive, swarming style.
However, I REALLY like no td's scored against us more

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Fletcher, Marcus Washington and Rocky McIntosh -- combined for 20 tackles and two sacks.

Enough said! Our LB's are making the play our safeties had to make last year!

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The D is playing much better this year but I would like to see how they do against a team with some offensive fire-power.

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One touchdown in eight quarters of football!! No room to complain there.

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The defense gave up 9 points. I'll take that every week. Yes, we need more turnovers but I ike that we are not giving up big plays.

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Defense played superb, i think the one standout though that really surprised me was Carlos Rogers. He was always on the receiver as soon as he touched the ball, and from what I could see he had is guy on lock the whole game. Good job all around though

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Carlos did a nice job last night, I'll give him credit.

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The Carlos haters only mention him when he does something bad, they expect perfection form him because of being a high draft pick.
Remember they said Smoot would be the starter opposite Springs by now.

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[QUOTE=irish;353542]The D is playing much better this year but I would like to see how they do against a team with some offensive fire-power.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that is a relevant point. We haven't seen anyone with any real firepower yet. The Giants and Lions will pose more of a threat through the air.

God help us when we meet the Patriots.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;353595]Carlos did a nice job last night, I'll give him credit.[/QUOTE]

I am guilty of cursing Carlos.

I do think he does well out there, and other teams tend to pick on him a little bit at times.

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You know what really worked well last night. Jamming the receivers and not giving the 7 yard cushion that we usually give. From what I saw it really made a deference and I hope we continue to play like that.

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[quote=Beemnseven;353670]Yeah, that is a relevant point. We haven't seen anyone with any real firepower yet. The Giants and Lions will pose more of a threat through the air.

God help us when we meet the Patriots.[/quote]

He will, Jesus is in Joe's pocket.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;353381]You know who really did well tonight? David Macklin. The guy never got beat and, whenever they showed replays, #38 was on his man. Why this guy was inactive last week is perplexing.[/quote]


I concur. He looked good enough to start to me. I thought Carlos looked a lot better. Maybe his best game. Leigh Torrence even got a tackle. It was encouraging and I hope the secondary continues to gel. One thing is for sure; teams are definitely afraid to throw the ball down the deep middle. Sean Taylor is lurking. I hope he doesn't get discouraged by the fact that he can't make a lot of highlight plays because teams are simply not going to take the chance.

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That's what depth is for, he's a quality cornerback. A good, sound number 4. We need to face a team with some offensive firepower spread throughout their wideouts, before we'll know the value of our depth at cb. The Eagles are back to the same old problem, no wideouts.

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[quote=Defensewins;353603]The Carlos haters only mention him when he does something bad, they expect perfection form him because of being a high draft pick.
Remember they said Smoot would be the starter opposite Springs by now.[/quote]

I do believe Mr. Carlos gave up two first downs on two 4th downs attempts to shitty WRs. I'm still not getting the performance of a top 10 pick and I want my money back.

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The defense did an outstanding job, I'm proud of them. Leigh Torrence is my dog. He took Ade Jimoh's spot and kept it moving. I'm out here in Honolulu and I expect to see many Redskins out here for the Pro Bowl. C'mon Saden1, Carlos got beat for a couple 1st downs, believe me, he's trying his best and he will get better as the season goes on. Trust me, he's a great corner!