Is Kurt Warner back?
 

Did anyone happen to see Kurt Warner come off the bench and almost pull one out against Baltimore? I still say if he has the time to throw, he is one of the best pure passers in the NFL. I was personally happy for the guy. I always liked Warner. Class guy. Hope he gets the start next week.

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Trouble is if he doesn't have all day to throw he makes bad decisions and/or fumbles.

He had a good run back in the day but he's not starting material anymore.

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agree with matt here...
Matt L is the future there...

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[quote=skinsfan69;356542]Did anyone happen to see Kurt Warner come off the bench and almost pull one out against Baltimore? I still say if he has the time to throw, he is one of the best pure passers in the NFL. I was personally happy for the guy. I always liked Warner. Class guy. Hope he gets the start next week.[/quote]Kurt Warner never really "left" per say. Since he left the cocoon that was the Rams offense, he's been grossly underrated. He was good on the Giants, and he looked good both seasons prior to this on the Cards. His fumbling issues have done him in, but QB fumbles are directly related to the guys in front of him.

He probably still gives them a better chance to win now than Leinart does although I really like Leinart and think he will be very very good.

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[quote=GTripp0012;356639]
He probably still gives them a better chance to win now than Leinart does although I really like Leinart and think he will be very very good.[/quote]

Why? because he won NCAA championships at USC, the school where you are surrounded with talent in every position. I never thought he was that good, he gets scared and becomes very inaccurate with pressure.

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Need my 10th post! Sorry :o)

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[quote=GTripp0012;356639]Kurt Warner never really "left" per say. Since he left the cocoon that was the Rams offense, he's been grossly underrated. He was good on the Giants, and he looked good both seasons prior to this on the Cards. His fumbling issues have done him in, but QB fumbles are directly related to the guys in front of him.

He probably still gives them a better chance to win now than Leinart does although I really like Leinart and think he will be very very good.[/quote]
Very true but when the protection breaks down it then becomes the QB's job to protect the ball and he just seemed to drop the balls at the worst times. I think we beat him in a game where he dropped a ball and we recovered for a TD.

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[quote=TheBigD;356646]Why? because he won NCAA championships at USC, the school where you are surrounded with talent in every position. I never thought he was that good, he gets scared and becomes very inaccurate with pressure.[/quote]I see. Maybe he should retire then?

He completed a lot of passes in college and had a good rookie year relative to Young and Culter. What more do you want of him at this stage in his career?

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[quote=GTripp0012;357549]I see. Maybe he should retire then?

He completed a lot of passes in college and had a good rookie year relative to Young and Culter. What more do you want of him at this stage in his career?[/quote]

I don't know, but when you look at a QB, you can tell how confident he is and see signs of potential. I can't see any of that in that guy.

Are you serious? you compare him to Young who is going to be 10 times better than him. Just because you were good, or even great some might argue, in college that doesn't mean much in the NFL with bigger, tougher, and quicker defenses. There are plenty of #1 picks or first rounders that couldn't hack it.

Anyways, we know now that they both will be playing.

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The Cards are too heavily invested in Leinart. They were getting killed by a great D and didn't want to damage their young QB's psyche. Leinart would have to go through a "Rex-like" stretch of games before Whisenhunt even considers benching him.

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[QUOTE=Takeuon;357531]Need my 10th post! Sorry :o)[/QUOTE]

No offense, but that smiley makes me want to punch something.

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[quote=TheBigD;357608]I don't know, but when you look at a QB, you can tell how confident he is and see signs of potential. I can't see any of that in that guy.

Are you serious? you compare him to Young who is going to be 10 times better than him. Just because you were good, or even great some might argue, in college that doesn't mean much in the NFL with bigger, tougher, and quicker defenses. There are plenty of #1 picks or first rounders that couldn't hack it.

Anyways, we know now that they both will be playing.[/quote]

Leinart is still young but right now I think Warner gives them the best chance to win. If he had played the whole game against Balt. I bet they win the game. Warner was putting some passes right on the money like he use to. Dude can still sling it with anyone.

Vince Young just gets the job done. His passing stats are getting better too. Tenn made the right move in drafting him ahead of Leinart. Who made that pick? Wasn't it Floyd Reece? Why isn't he here?

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;357634]No offense, but that smiley makes me want to punch something.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Pretty gay.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;357608]I don't know, but when you look at a QB, you can tell how confident he is and see signs of potential. I can't see any of that in that guy.

Are you serious? you compare him to Young who is going to be 10 times better than him. Just because you were good, or even great some might argue, in college that doesn't mean much in the NFL with bigger, tougher, and quicker defenses. There are plenty of #1 picks or first rounders that couldn't hack it.

Anyways, we know now that they both will be playing.[/QUOTE]

Young ten times better than Leinart? At what? Running the ball...cause then I'd agree, but as a QB, no way. Young threw for 2199 yards and 12 tds in 15 games. Young's comp % was only 51.5%. Leinart threw for 2547 yards, 11tds in only 12 games, and had a 56.8% comp %. That's a lot better.
Young is likely the most overrated player in the game today. Everyone thinks he's the next best thing. He's not.

About Warner...he doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. He is one of the most accurate passers in NFL history (65.7% career), but 2002 changed him. He threw for only 3 tds and 11 int's in 7 games for the Rams that year. He has shown signs of brilliance, then turned around and looked like crap. I think he still has greatness in him, but he can't be rushed. He has to have time to sit back in the pocket. When he's pressured too much, he chokes. If he could make better decisions when he's hurried / pressured, and could hold on to the ball when he's about to be sacked, he'd be great again. I think he thinks that he needs to make the play on every play, and football is more about making the most of the opportunities that present themselves, and not forcing it.

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Young really impressed me on Monday night.

He just gets it done, and as the announcers were saying he outperforms his numbers.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.

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Kurt warner is only back until he gets hit one good time, then hes back where he belongs, on the bench.

Or better yet his time has come and gone as a legit NFL QB, retirement home.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;357785]Young really impressed me on Monday night.

He just gets it done, and as the announcers were saying he outperforms his numbers.

Stats don't always tell the whole story.[/QUOTE]

He's really improved as a QB from last year to this year

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[quote=jsarno;357769]Young ten times better than Leinart? At what? Running the ball...cause then I'd agree, but as a QB, no way. Young threw for 2199 yards and 12 tds in 15 games. Young's comp % was only 51.5%. Leinart threw for 2547 yards, 11tds in only 12 games, and had a 56.8% comp %. That's a lot better.
Young is likely the most overrated player in the game today. Everyone thinks he's the next best thing. He's not. [/quote]

Hyped? Absolutely! Overrated? No way! The Titans would be complete shit without him. He makes things happen for them and that's all that matters. Plus, if I'm not mistaken he practically won a national championship all by himself against USC.

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[quote=jsarno;357769]Young ten times better than Leinart? At what? Running the ball...cause then I'd agree, but as a QB, no way. Young threw for 2199 yards and 12 tds in 15 games. Young's comp % was only 51.5%. Leinart threw for 2547 yards, 11tds in only 12 games, and had a 56.8% comp %. That's a lot better.
Young is likely the most overrated player in the game today. Everyone thinks he's the next best thing. He's not.
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Hmmm...let us see, you are talking about a lot of numbers here when you forgot to mention the MOST IMPORTANT number of them all, who won more games? I can care less what the QB's stats or rating are, if he gets the job done, it will matter the most. Young has a tough mentality, he doesn't get scared when his team is down, he has shown that he can come back from a deficit.

One more thing, look at the guys surrounding Leinart, James, Boldin, Fitzgerald. It is not like Leinart is putting up 35 points onthe board and the defense can't stop other teams, he just isn't as good as people thought he might be.

Warner with his mistakes is better than Leinart, for now at least.

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I know that right now, Young "appears" to have the better of this match up, but everyone said Vick was the man too, and what has he done?
Young will be nothing until he learns to throw the ball better.

The titans should be 1-2 right now, they lucked out...and who couldn't beat the Saints at this point? Throw in a high school team to give the Saints a shot.

It took a while for everyone to come around with Vick, and it will take a while before everyone stops sucking Young's balls too.

I will say this...Young's comp% is way up this year, so he's on the right track, but I think it's fluke and it will come down.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;357809]Hmmm...let us see, you are talking about a lot of numbers here when you forgot to mention the MOST IMPORTANT number of them all, who won more games? I can care less what the QB's stats or rating are, if he gets the job done, it will matter the most. Young has a tough mentality, he doesn't get scared when his team is down, he has shown that he can come back from a deficit.

One more thing, look at the guys surrounding Leinart, James, Boldin, Fitzgerald. It is not like Leinart is putting up 35 points onthe board and the defense can't stop other teams, he just isn't as good as people thought he might be.

Warner with his mistakes is better than Leinart, for now at least.[/QUOTE]

Who wins more games has more to do with coaching and the other players around you than it does with 1 person.
Funny how everyone knew that fact until Young came into the league, then everyone scrapped it and thought that Young could win games all by his lonesome. No player will win games by himself...NONE.

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[quote=jsarno;357852][B]Who wins more games has more to do with coaching and the other players around you than it does with 1 person.[/B]
Funny how everyone knew that fact until Young came into the league, then everyone scrapped it and thought that Young could win games all by his lonesome. No player will win games by himself...NONE.[/quote]

LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;357903]LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?

Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?

There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.

I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.[/QUOTE]

completly agree

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[quote=jsarno;357851]I know that right now, Young "appears" to have the better of this match up, but everyone said Vick was the man too, and what has he done?
Young will be nothing until he learns to throw the ball better.

The titans should be 1-2 right now, they lucked out...and who couldn't beat the Saints at this point? Throw in a high school team to give the Saints a shot.

It took a while for everyone to come around with Vick, and it will take a while before everyone stops sucking Young's balls too.

I will say this...Young's comp% is way up this year, so he's on the right track, but I think it's fluke and it will come down.[/quote]

So I guess your not a Vince Young fan huh??

Give the guy some credit. Some of the things he does simply do not show up in the stat sheet. Plus he has no WR's to speak of. To say his completion % is a fluke is simply riducules.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;357903]LOL...Thank you!

That is what I have been trying to tell you. Leinart played at USC, now let me say it again University of Southern California (not south carolina or south C...) and that is how he won games and championships. What has he done in the NFL to show that he is a good or great QB?[/quote]

I'm not referring to USC...college is an inferior league to the NFL (obviously). It means nothing to me. Some of the best players in college don't pan out in the NFL. Leinart still looks better throwing the ball than Young.

[quote]Also, right now, Leinart has more talent around him than Young. Boldin, Fitzgerlad, E. James...etc. Tell me how many people would know who are the Titan's WRs beside E. Moulds ?[/quote]

I disagree with that. I think Edgerran James is overrated now, and also, the O line of Tennessee is better. Yes, Leinart has better WR's, however they still need the ball thrown to them. If they were on Tennessee they would be in trouble cause Young over throws and under throws all the time.
ps- you asking the wrong person, I know 99% of players on every team. But I live and breathe football.

[quote]There is no such thing as "lucked out", they did whatever they could to stay in the game and win, maybe there is a lucky play in every game, but not such thing lucky plays all through the games.[/quote]

You obviously didn't watch the jacksonville where they had two chances at easy chip shots but since Scobee was hurt, they had no kicker to kick for them...they had to go for it on the 20 yard line on 4th down. Had Scobee not been hurt, they would have lost to Jacksonville. Of course this is a whole lot of "what if", but it shows me Tennessee is a pretender.

[quote]I would bench Leinart in favor of Warner in no time if I had the monster WRs they have in Arizona.[/QUOTE]

It's only Leinart's 2nd season, he's still pretty green behind the ears and so far he has proven that this year.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;357936]So I guess your not a Vince Young fan huh??

Give the guy some credit. Some of the things he does simply do not show up in the stat sheet. Plus he has no WR's to speak of. To say his completion % is a fluke is simply riducules.[/QUOTE]

Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.

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[quote=jsarno;357939]Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.[/quote]

To say he is a terrible QB is almost funny. Rex Grossman is a terrible QB

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[QUOTE=jsarno;357939]Ummm no. I'm not a fan. He is a terrible QB. Great scrambler...he's up there with Vick as one of the best ever, but in the pocket, he is terrible, one of the worst in the league.

Why is it ridiculous? If you have no qb to throw you the ball, you won't have good numbers as a WR. He throws the ball all over the place.

If a team decided to take the MLB and shadow Young to neutralize him, they would win. Tennessee HAS to have Young scramble all day long or they will lose cause his arm will not win them games.[/QUOTE]

Don't you think "terrible" is a bit extreme? I think he's shown real improvement over the past several games and is becoming a more complete QB overall.

I'd probably say the Titans are my 2nd favorite team, and I remember really wanting them to draft Leinart but the more I watch Young the more pleased I am with the selection.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;357943]To say he is a terrible QB is almost funny. Rex Grossman is a terrible QB[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to argue that. Although, if Grossman had Young's legs, he'd be a better QB. Look at the numbers, Grossman passes better. But since Grossman can't run, he's awful.
Look back at what I said. I separated his scrambling skills from his actual QB skills. We'll call them throwing skills. His scrambling is second to none, his throwing is one of the worst in the league.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;357946]Don't you think "terrible" is a bit extreme? I think he's shown real improvement over the past several games and is becoming a more complete QB overall.

I'd probably say the Titans are my 2nd favorite team, and I remember really wanting them to draft Leinart but the more I watch Young the more pleased I am with the selection.[/QUOTE]

I will say this, he looked a lot better last week vs the Saints, but who can't get back on track vs the Saints. Every once in a while Vick would do well throwing the ball too. I'd like to see him play a good defense and do well. He played Jacksonville and only passed for 78 yards...78 yards!
Even in the Saints game the WR's had to make a lot of adjustments to catch his throws, but he was more on the money than he had been.
After the bye they have Atlanta...this year's doormat. So I am not expecting him to fail miserably there. But the two games after that are at Tampa, and at Houston, and I feel the titan will lose both those games, and it will be because Young won't be able to beat them with his arm.

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Titans remaining schedule and my predictions:
Atlanta - W
@Tampa- L
@Houston- L
Oakland - W
Carolina - L
Jacksonville - L
@Denver - L
@Cincy - L
Houston - W
San Diego - L
@Kansas City - W
Jets - L
@Indy - L

There are a couple games that could go either way. If that goes exactly the way I say, they go 6-10. I actually think they will manage 7 wins. So they will likely steal a W in there somewhere.

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Leinhart is the futre for QB on that mediocre team, Warner is past his prime.

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[quote=jsarno;357937]I'm not referring to USC...college is an inferior league to the NFL (obviously). It means nothing to me. Some of the best players in college don't pan out in the NFL. Leinart still looks better throwing the ball than Young.[/quote]

It is all relative, USC is has been the best team in college football for a while now.


[QUOTE] I disagree with that. I think Edgerran James is overrated now, and also, the O line of Tennessee is better. Yes, Leinart has better WR's, however they still need the ball thrown to them. If they were on Tennessee they would be in trouble cause Young over throws and under throws all the time. [/QUOTE]
Ok we both live in the DC area and watched Arizona play Baltimore. How come that same O line looked much better with Warner under center and got more points and had the chance to go to OT?


[QUOTE] You obviously didn't watch the jacksonville where they had two chances at easy chip shots but since Scobee was hurt, they had no kicker to kick for them...they had to go for it on the 20 yard line on 4th down. Had Scobee not been hurt, they would have lost to Jacksonville. Of course this is a whole lot of "what if", but it shows me Tennessee is a pretender.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but Tennessee had to keep themselves in the game by not letting Jacksonville get into the end zone and score touchdowns. Why did the Jaguars have to kick FGs in the first place if it wasn't for the Titan's D?


[QUOTE] It's only Leinart's 2nd season, he's still pretty green behind the ears and so far he has proven that this year.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, he needs time. That is why in my last post I said [B]NOW[/B], I would bench him when I have someone like Warner. Later he might turn out to be a great QB, but so far he hasn't shown anything to support that claim.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;357971]It is all relative, USC is has been the best team in college football for a while now.[/quote]

Don't care about college.

[quote]Ok we both live in the DC area and watched Arizona play Baltimore. How come that same O line looked much better with Warner under center and got more points and had the chance to go to OT? [/quote]

Who is "we both"? I don't live in the DC area.
To answer your question, I didn't watch that whole game, I have the NFL Sunday ticket and jump around when the Skins aren't on. I am unsure as to why they played better for Warner, maybe they realized they were underperforming.

[quote]Yeah, but Tennessee had to keep themselves in the game by not letting Jacksonville get into the end zone and score touchdowns. Why did the Jaguars have to kick FGs in the first place if it wasn't for the Titan's D?[/quote]
This logic doesn't make any sense. If the Cowboys are 4th and 5 on the 17, you're gonna kick a field goal right? Shit, what team wouldn't? The Jags COULDN'T because their kicker got hurt. Had he not got hurt or they had a back up kicker on the roster, the Titans would have lost. It's not like the Jags played well either.

[quote]I agree with you, he needs time. That is why in my last post I said [B]NOW[/B], I would bench him when I have someone like Warner. Later he might turn out to be a great QB, but so far he hasn't shown anything to support that claim.[/QUOTE]

I'm really not that concerned about it, and could care less if he actually makes it. My issue is with how everyone thinks Young is the second coming of Jesus, and in actuality he's the second coming of somewhere between Vick and Kordell Stewart. (not the personal Vick...it does seem like Young is nice young man, while Vick is deplorable)

Although, I do find it interesting that you say that Leinart hasn't shown anything to support the claim that he will be good. His passing numbers beat out Young's.
I also have trouble jumping on anyone's bandwagon when it starts in Arizona. They are perennial losers, and Leinart would be better off with just about any team.

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[quote=jsarno;357947]I'm not going to argue that. Although, if Grossman had Young's legs, he'd be a better QB. Look at the numbers, Grossman passes better. But since Grossman can't run, he's awful.
Look back at what I said. I separated his scrambling skills from his actual QB skills. We'll call them throwing skills. His scrambling is second to none, his throwing is one of the worst in the league.[/quote]

I will strongly disagree with Grossman passes better. Grossman is a thrower, not a passer and there is a huge huge difference.

Scrambling is part of having good QB skills. Quarterbacking isn't just pure pocket passing. Some guys are playmakers, not just pure passers. I think Young is starting to really learning how to do both and that is why he was drafted above Leinart.

One telling stat about the guy is he has something like a 130 passing rating in the 4th q. Plus has 5 or 6 game winning drives. Plus the guy was voted team captain. All very impressive stuff for a 2nd year qb who doesn't even have a full season under his belt.

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[quote=jsarno;357977]
Who is "we both"? I don't live in the DC area.
To answer your question, I didn't watch that whole game, I have the NFL Sunday ticket and jump around when the Skins aren't on. I am unsure as to why they played better for Warner, maybe they realized they were underperforming.[/quote]
I doubt that is the reason, when Bledsoe was the QB, the O line for Dallas looked horrible, Romo came in and all of a sudden they are not that bad (talking about last year). Same thing could be said abour Burnell and Campbell.

[quote]This logic doesn't make any sense. If the Cowboys are 4th and 5 on the 17, you're gonna kick a field goal right? Shit, what team wouldn't? The Jags COULDN'T because their kicker got hurt. Had he not got hurt or they had a back up kicker on the roster, the Titans would have lost. It's not like the Jags played well either. [/quote]

Your logic doesn't make much sense either. All I am saying is, the Titans had a say in why they won the game. You say they went for it on 4th down. Why did they have to wait till the 4th down to convert. There were 3 other downs for them to get 10 yards, but the Titans stopped them.

[quote]I'm really not that concerned about it, and could care less if he actually makes it. My issue is with how everyone thinks Young is the second coming of Jesus, and in actuality he's the second coming of somewhere between Vick and Kordell Stewart.[/quote]
Neither am I, but I have to say that Young is better than both (as hard as it is for me to say that because I went to VT). No one thinks he is the second coming of Jesus, but he is a good player.

[quote]
Although, I do find it interesting that you say that Leinart hasn't shown anything to support the claim that he will be good. His passing numbers beat out Young's.
I also have trouble jumping on anyone's bandwagon when it starts in Arizona. They are perennial losers, and Leinart would be better off with just about any team
[/quote]
LOL, so what pretty much anyone's number could beat Young's, that is not saying much. The number that matters the most after it is all said and done is the Ws. I am not jumping on Young's or Leinarts bandwagon, but out of the two, Young is better.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;358019]I will strongly disagree with Grossman passes better. Grossman is a thrower, not a passer and there is a huge huge difference. [/quote]

OK, even though you're splitting hairs there, I agree...he is a thrower, but don't think Young isn't either. Grossman threw for more yards, and td's, and the measuring stick is the comp% which Grossman was better. You already know that I feel Grossman stinks and deserves to be benched. While I do not think Young needs to be benched due ONLY to his ability to scramble, I do feel his passing / throwing is one of, if not the worst in the NFL. He's not accurate at all.

[quote]Scrambling is part of having good QB skills. Quarterbacking isn't just pure pocket passing. Some guys are playmakers, not just pure passers. I think Young is starting to really learning how to do both and that is why he was drafted above Leinart. [/quote]

I'll wait more than 3 games before I make that assessment. I only saw him play well vs the Saints, and 1 game won't make me change my mind. Maybe you're right though, and we'll see later. I will absolutely change my mind about him when I see him making the throws in the pocket that make a good QB a good QB. Let's be frank here...the game is centered around pocket passing. Look at Campbell...I LOVE this kid. He can throw in the pocket, and if NEED BE, he will then take off. That's what I want to see out of QB's, and that is what turns a scrambler into a good QB. Steve Young learned it, and McNabb learned it...Young needs to learn it too.

[quote]One telling stat about the guy is he has something like a 130 passing rating in the 4th q. Plus has 5 or 6 game winning drives. Plus the guy was voted team captain. All very impressive stuff for a 2nd year qb who doesn't even have a full season under his belt.[/QUOTE]

Those are not "telling signs" when as you mention, he has less than one year under his belt. They are telling signs when he has a few years under his belt. All he needs to do is perform poorly in 2 games in the 4th, and those numbers look average at best.
He is most certainly a spark plug for the Titans, gotta give him that much, and he has been a part of several winning drives, which is great. But he can have 200 game winning drives, if he never makes / wins in the playoffs, no one will care. (time will tell on that one)
Mentally I am not sure he's ready for being a captain. Look at his preseason when he purposely didn't show up for practice, and then didn't go on the road with team instead staying in his own home...KNOWING what would happen...also the fight he got into in preseason. That's not a captain if you ask me...but who else will you give it to on offense there? Not many choices.

Re: Is Kurt Warner back?
 

[QUOTE=TheBigD;358022]I doubt that is the reason, when Bledsoe was the QB, the O line for Dallas looked horrible, Romo came in and all of a sudden they are not that bad (talking about last year). Same thing could be said abour Burnell and Campbell.[/quote]

So why do you think that is?

[quote]Your logic doesn't make much sense either. All I am saying is, the Titans had a say in why they won the game. You say they went for it on 4th down. Why did they have to wait till the 4th down to convert. There were 3 other downs for them to get 10 yards, but the Titans stopped them.[/quote]

So you're saying that every team should be without a kicker, cause if they can't convert and score a TD on every possession they aren't as good as the other team? Teams have a kicker for a reason, and field goals are in the game for a reason. It's a big and valuable piece of the game...if you were a Skins fan, you'd realize that cause our kickers lost us many game in the past 3-10 years. I would think you would know that given that you had kicker troubles a couple years ago.

[quote]Neither am I, but I have to say that Young is better than both (as hard as it is for me to say that because I went to VT). No one thinks he is the second coming of Jesus, but he is a good player.[/quote]

Not yet he's not. He COULD be, but that's an "if" for another discussion. Trust me, the way the media exhaults this kid and the way he could do no wrong in Nashville...people think he's the second coming of Jesus alright. I am pretty sure he has a better head on his shoulders than most rookies though, so that bodes well for him.

LOL, so what pretty much anyone's number could beat Young's, that is not saying much. The number that matters the most after it is all said and done is the Ws. I am not jumping on Young's or Leinarts bandwagon, but out of the two, Young is better.[/QUOTE]

You definitely have a point, it's the W's. So what will you say if the Titans win only 6 or 7 games? (my prediction 8 max, but likely 7.)

Re: Is Kurt Warner back?
 

You know, MAYBE the fact that Archie Manning has been mentoring Leinart is the reason he has played poorly this year. LOL. Wrong guy to be mentoring you, he stunk!

Re: Is Kurt Warner back?
 

[quote=jsarno;358048]So why do you think that is?[/quote]

It had to do with Romo and Campbell being more illusive and able to move around and know what to do with the ball instead of being scared and get happy feet and throw incompelitions. Warner made the O line for Arizona look better than the first half because of his knowledge and experience and delivered the ball on time and on target.



[quote]So you're saying that every team should be without a kicker, cause if they can't convert and score a TD on every possession they aren't as good as the other team? Teams have a kicker for a reason, and field goals are in the game for a reason..... [/quote]
NO I am not saying that, but I am saying that the Titan's D kept the team in the game and eventually won it. All you were saying is that they lucked out and won ONLY by being lucky. Young and the offense scored enough points and the defense stopped the opposing team enough to win them the game.



[quote]Not yet he's not. He COULD be, but that's an "if" for another discussion. Trust me, the way the media exhaults this kid and the way he could do no wrong in Nashville...people think he's the second coming of Jesus alright....[/quote]
Yeah the media does portray QB to be more than what they are, but that is the case with all QBs. You think Tom Brady will win as many games if he plays with the Browns. You said it before, it a team effort to win, but the media makes it sound like Manning, Brady, Palmer are the only reason why their team wins. I think it has to do with the QBs touching the ball almost every offensive posession.


[quote]You definitely have a point, it's the W's. So what will you say if the Titans win only 6 or 7 games? (my prediction 8 max, but likely 7.)[/quote]
Well, if that "8 max, but likely 7" W's are more than Leinart's what would you say then?