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Anyone else watching this? With two minutes left, Umenyiora (sp?) has 6 sacks, 6 SACKS! and the team as a whole has 12 sacks. Eagles were lucky to score 3 points. If Justice has a job tomorrow, I'll be shocked.

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6 sacks that is crazy!! He did go off in that game!

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He made Justice his bitch in every way possible. It was ridiculous. Power, Finesse... and Justice was a first round pick!

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I seriously felt bad for the guy I can't believe they didnt line a TE up over there to help, he confidence is shattered after that game and he may never recover

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Andy and co dropped the ball. They f'ing let Justice continue to play one-on-one without any help. Stupid Stupid Stupid!

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How do you not put a TE over there to help out??? I think Reid has way TOO much confidence in McNabb

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All of a sudden the Giants are back in the East race. Maybe last week wasn't a fluke for them?

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Last week Gibbs and Co dropped the ball against the G-Men. Giants are trash and the Eagles are just raw sewage IMO.

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Well I feel better about last week. We didn't get owned at least.

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[quote=saden1;358354]Last week Gibbs and Co dropped the ball against the G-Men. Giants are trash and the Eagles are just raw sewage IMO.[/quote]

If we played the Giants 10 times we probably win 5 and they win 5. Same with the Eagles. There is just alot of parity in the NFL but especially in the NFC East.

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Two things--one, the gint D is good, and that helps explain some (not all!) of what went on in the second half last week. Two, we gave them the gift of life. WHY, WHY do we always save the giant's season and their friggin half-assed coach's job??? Coughlin ought to send the skins some of his contract every year--we make him look better than he is.

Finally--man, no Westbrook, no wideouts, no offensive line: it's all McNabb's fault! ;)

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;358358]Two things--one, the gint D is good, and that helps explain some (not all!) of what went on in the second half last week. Two, we gave them the gift of life. WHY, WHY do we always save the giant's season and their friggin half-assed coach's job??? Coughlin ought to send the skins some of his contract every year--we make him look better than he is.

Finally--man, no Westbrook, no wideouts, no offensive line: it's all McNabb's fault! ;)[/QUOTE]

I all honesty I think McNabb has been rather over-rated throughout his career. I think for the most part you can look at his stats and see that he is a good QB but not the great QB that so many us to believe. BUT I have felt he was good enough to be a top 10 QB and could lead a SB winner with the right components. He has never had that. I have also felt for a while, admittedly without much hard evidence, that Reid is big time over-rated. His offense is one dimensional and he seems completely out of touch in terms of leading his team. I think every time I watch them I realize how much they wasted McNabb's prime and how they should have won at least one SB by now. I blame Reid for it all. Seriously can anyone say that they haven't screwed McNabb's prime years up? They gave him no weapons and then they proceeded to ask him to throw the ball 65% of the time without those weapons. They finally get someone who can play, Westbrook, by accident almost but he is hurt all the time. Why is this not a story? Where are all the journalists killing this organization?

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[quote=FRPLG;358363]I all honesty I think McNabb has been rather over-rated throughout his career. I think for the most part you can look at his stats and see that he is a good QB but not the great QB that so many us to believe. BUT I have felt he was good enough to be a top 10 QB and could lead a SB winner with the right components. He has never had that. I have also felt for a while, admittedly without much hard evidence, that Reid is big time over-rated. His offense is one dimensional and he seems completely out of touch in terms of leading his team. I think every time I watch them I realize how much they wasted McNabb's prime and how they should have won at least one SB by now. I blame Reid for it all. Seriously can anyone say that they haven't screwed McNabb's prime years up? They gave him no weapons and then they proceeded to ask him to throw the ball 65% of the time without those weapons. They finally get someone who can play, Westbrook, by accident almost but he is hurt all the time. Why is this not a story? Where are all the journalists killing this organization?[/quote]

I would agree with your statements. McNabb is a very good QB when healthy and when he has weapons. Right now he has neither. I think perhaps the organization feels like they don't need to spend alot of $ on wr's. I know they have tried the draft and failed w/ Freddie Mitchell and Reggie Brown. They tried the FA route w/ TO and they got burned. So now they bring in 2nd tier guys like Stallworth and Curtis. Guys like that are serviceable but not true #1 NFL wr's.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;358352]All of a sudden the Giants are back in the East race. Maybe last week wasn't a fluke for them?[/QUOTE]

Prior to the eagles game night the teams that played the Giants were 8-1. The one loss being our loss to them. So a 1-2 record was somewhat deceptive.

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I don't know about Reid--he's got a great record. He hasn't won the big one. The TO implosion really hurt them, and they had serious injury problems. But when Garcia was in there (and in other years, people like Jay Feely!) the team still won. Some of it's defense, but lots of it was Reid's offense.

And I just don't buy that McNabb is over-rated. When he was healthy, he could beat you with his legs or his arm. It's true that he's a streak passer, and that can hurt his numbers, but when he's on, he can be unstoppable. Is he Manning? Brady? No, but he's up there. Whatever. I'm happy to see the iggles implode, but I don't buy the argument about McNabb, and especially about Reid.

And trust me, in Philly there are plenty of Journalists ragging on the iggles. But year after year they make the playoffs, got to 3 NFC Champ games and one SB. Wasted McNabb's best years? Short of winning the SB (which I agree is vital, but it's not the only way to evaluate things), how else did they waste those years?

PS I really do hate the iggles, but this is exactly the argument my philly friends make to me--McNabb sucks, Reid sucks, etc. No, you philly fans suck! Santa Claus Rules!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;358377]Prior to the eagles game night the teams that played the Giants were 8-1. The one loss being our loss to them. So a 1-2 record was somewhat deceptive.[/quote]


Thank you ,that's what was going to be the point I was going to bring up.As I said to you guys last week it's a long season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;358370]I would agree with your statements. McNabb is a very good QB when healthy and when he has weapons. Right now he has neither. I think perhaps the organization feels like they don't need to spend alot of $ on wr's. I know they have tried the draft and failed w/ Freddie Mitchell and Reggie Brown. They tried the FA route w/ TO and they got burned. So now they bring in 2nd tier guys like Stallworth and Curtis. Guys like that are serviceable but not true #1 NFL wr's.[/quote]
Blame Reid and Banner for never giving McNabb a WR of note, T.O. aside. Look at McNabb's stats when he had a true #1 receiver in T.O.'s first season - they're off the charts. This regime also drafted Todd Pinkston and Billy McMullen. At some point, Reid and Banner should have helped McNabb by signing a top free agent WR not named T.O.

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[quote=Mattyk72;358352]All of a sudden the Giants are back in the East race. Maybe last week wasn't a fluke for them?[/quote]

And how about the freaking Bears sucking balls?! I don't even know what to think anymore. :doh:

Like are we going to get beat by the Lions and/or Packers? And since I think the Cowboys are actually good now, I want to see them play someone that isn't a patsy, just for proof. This season is making me crazy.

Who would have ever thought San Diego is playing this bad (Thanks Norv! ;)) or the Packers would be this GOOD?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;358370]I would agree with your statements. McNabb is a very good QB when healthy and when he has weapons. Right now he has neither. I think perhaps the organization feels like they don't need to spend alot of $ on wr's. I know they have tried the draft and failed w/ Freddie Mitchell and Reggie Brown. They tried the FA route w/ TO and they got burned. So now they bring in 2nd tier guys like Stallworth and Curtis. Guys like that are serviceable but not true #1 NFL wr's.[/QUOTE]

Or you could say that he is not a very good QB when he has no weapons and no offensive line. He was basically playing QB without wideouts or a LT.

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That was a really ugly game. The G-men should have put up 50 points on them. I just wish I would have started the Giants D on my f-team. 12 sacks is a lot of points.

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[quote=JWsleep;358380]I don't know about Reid--he's got a great record. He hasn't won the big one. The TO implosion really hurt them, and they had serious injury problems. But when Garcia was in there (and in other years, people like Jay Feely!) the team still won. Some of it's defense, but lots of it was Reid's offense.

And I just don't buy that McNabb is over-rated. When he was healthy, he could beat you with his legs or his arm. It's true that he's a streak passer, and that can hurt his numbers, but when he's on, he can be unstoppable. Is he Manning? Brady? No, but he's up there. Whatever. I'm happy to see the iggles implode, but I don't buy the argument about McNabb, and especially about Reid.

And trust me, in Philly there are plenty of Journalists ragging on the iggles. But year after year they make the playoffs, got to 3 NFC Champ games and one SB. Wasted McNabb's best years? Short of winning the SB (which I agree is vital, but it's not the only way to evaluate things), how else did they waste those years?

PS I really do hate the iggles, but this is exactly the argument my philly friends make to me--McNabb sucks, Reid sucks, etc. No, you philly fans suck! Santa Claus Rules![/quote]

I agree with you, JW. McNabb has consistently been a top tier quarterback for the bulk of his career. Like you said, he's no Peyton or Brady, but he's usually breathing right down their necks. And as far as him being effective when he has weapons, well isn't that true of any quarterback. And to be honest, save T.O., what top flight receiver has McNabb played with anyway? You'd probably struggle to name more than two.

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[quote=saden1;358354]Last week Gibbs and Co dropped the ball against the G-Men. Giants are trash and the Eagles are just raw sewage IMO.[/quote]

The Eagles looked bad, but I don't think you can say the Giants are trash. Their D has come to play the past two weeks and I thought even in the first half against the Redskins they looked very active. I'd wait to see how they do next week before you go burying them.

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Man, did anyone catch the look on Reid's face when McNabb fumbled and was recovered by the Giants for a touchdown. He was speechless and had the look of "my sons are in jail and/or doing drugs, I am as fat as walrus, I got 3 key players hurt and my team is getting thumped by the Giants" on his face. For 2 or 3 seconds I did feel bad for the guy.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;358418]Man, did anyone catch the look on Reid's face when McNabb fumbled and was recovered by the Giants for a touchdown. He was speechless and had the look of "my sons are in jail and/or doing drugs, I am as fat as walrus, I got 3 key players hurt and my team is getting thumped by the Giants" on his face. For 2 or 3 seconds I did feel bad for the guy.[/QUOTE]

Nice....you brought a smile to my face on Monday morning. No easy feat.

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[quote=FRPLG;358363]I all honesty I think McNabb has been rather over-rated throughout his career. I think for the most part you can look at his stats and see that he is a good QB but not the great QB that so many us to believe. BUT I have felt he was good enough to be a top 10 QB and could lead a SB winner with the right components. He has never had that. I have also felt for a while, admittedly without much hard evidence, that Reid is big time over-rated. His offense is one dimensional and he seems completely out of touch in terms of leading his team. I think every time I watch them I realize how much they wasted McNabb's prime and how they should have won at least one SB by now. I blame Reid for it all. Seriously can anyone say that they haven't screwed McNabb's prime years up? They gave him no weapons and then they proceeded to ask him to throw the ball 65% of the time without those weapons. They finally get someone who can play, Westbrook, by accident almost but he is hurt all the time. Why is this not a story? Where are all the journalists killing this organization?[/quote]
I have heard it said many times but the facts are they have still found away to make it into the playoffs. Is it Reids fault that they have not gone out and picked up some help for MvNabb or an owner who is too cheap.

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[quote=firstdown;358434]I have heard it said many times but the facts are they have still found away to make it into the playoffs. Is it Reids fault that they have not gone out and picked up some help for MvNabb or an owner who is too cheap.[/quote]Make no mistake, Jeffrey Lurie is a hands-off owner when it comes to personnel decisions, and he's not afraid to sign a big check. He has brought in big dollar free agents (Kearse, Owens) when advised to do so by Reid and Banner.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;358428]Nice....you brought a smile to my face on Monday morning. No easy feat.[/quote]

:D glad I can help.

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[quote=SouperMeister;358445]Make no mistake, Jeffrey Lurie is a hands-off owner when it comes to personnel decisions.[/quote]

I have a hard time buying that after so many NFC championships and a Super Bowl appearance.

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[quote=12thMan;358447]I have a hard time buying that after so many NFC championships and a Super Bowl appearance.[/quote]I went to school in Philly, and follow them closely as my most hated rival since I have so many friends from up there (yes, I hate the Eagles more than Dallas). Ask any Philly fan who makes their personnel decisions, and two names are always mentioned - Reid and Banner. Banner plays a larger role in cap management, Reid has final say in personnel decisions, and Lurie signs the checks.

P.S. The same formula has worked well in NE with Belichick/Pioli making personnel decisions, and Robert Kraft remaining hands off, signing checks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;358370]I would agree with your statements. McNabb is a very good QB when healthy and when he has weapons. Right now he has neither. I think perhaps the organization feels like they don't need to spend alot of $ on wr's. I know they have tried the draft and failed w/ Freddie Mitchell and Reggie Brown. They tried the FA route w/ TO and they got burned. So now they bring in 2nd tier guys like Stallworth and Curtis. Guys like that are serviceable but not true #1 NFL wr's.[/quote]THAT is what McNabb looks like with no weapons. Not this excuse crap we make for him week in and week out.

This game should show us all exactly how much help he DOES get on a regular basis. Probably more than any other QB in the league.

And they were all injured, thus...that.

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[quote=SouperMeister;358394]Blame Reid and Banner for never giving McNabb a WR of note, T.O. aside. Look at McNabb's stats when he had a true #1 receiver in T.O.'s first season - they're off the charts. This regime also drafted Todd Pinkston and Billy McMullen. At some point, Reid and Banner should have helped McNabb by signing a top free agent WR not named T.O.[/quote]


I had high hopes for McMullen...he was the man in college...I still remember him pulling down a game winner on the last play of the game to beat Clemson some years back

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[QUOTE=firstdown;358434]I have heard it said many times but the facts are they have still found away to make it into the playoffs. Is it Reids fault that they have not gone out and picked up some help for MvNabb or an owner who is too cheap.[/QUOTE]

I think it the arrogance of the front office. Everyone is on their nuts but in the end this team has never won a SB because they are a one dimensional team with no weapons on offense.

I agree that making the playoffs, getting to the NFC champ and SB is good. But when you have a team do those things in multiple years then you're talking about a team that should have won a big one by now. I feel like once you are a perrennial playoff team you are only successful if you win the SB. We go out and make the SB this year and lose thenI am probably relatively happy. If I am an Eagles fan by year 3 of not either not making the SB or losing and I am pissed.

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Injuries at several key areas contributed some to their demise last night, but the Giants played a good game, and were all over D-Nabb.

On another note...we better put up 80+ points on the Lions this week, considering McNabb and company put up 56 with their offensive "weapons".

I also think people will be pleasantly surprised with how our defense handles the Lions high octane passing offense.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;358494]
On another note...we better put up 80+ points on the Lions this week, considering McNabb and company put up 56 with their offensive "weapons".
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They still had Westbrook for that game, and Curtis is not a bad WR, not a #1 type, but not bad at all.

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Westbrook is really the difference-maker--without him, it's very hard to get that offense going, especially with McNabb unable to run as of old and the O-line being weak.