Can the redskins beat the lions without portis and moss
 

the latest redskins insider blog posts show that it is very possible we wont have portis or moss for the lions game. Do we have a chance against the lions without them? are the 3-1 lions going to be favored against us at home .. or are we going to use betts and cartwright with our great left side but depleted right and bully the lions with a strong defensive showing?

whats it gonna be ? how do you guys feel about this game? i admit im nervous.

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[quote=heybigstar;358706]the latest redskins insider blog posts show that it is very possible we wont have portis or moss for the lions game. Do we have a chance against the lions without them? are the 3-1 lions going to be favored against us at home .. or are we going to use betts and cartwright with our great left side but depleted right and bully the lions with a strong defensive showing?

whats it gonna be ? how do you guys feel about this game? i admit im nervous.[/quote]

Portis????Since when...man this year is starting to smell an awful lot like last year

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Portis is experiencing some tendonitis. If he's out then that's, in my opinion, a much bigger deal than Moss being out.

That said, I think they'll both play. And even if they didn't, yes we still have a chance. It'll just be more of a challenge

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;358708]Portis is experiencing some tendonitis. If he's out then that's, in my opinion, a much bigger deal than Moss being out.

That said, I think they'll both play. And even if they didn't, yes we still have a chance. It'll just be more of a challenge[/QUOTE]

I'm with you, I don't think either will miss any time...especially not portis. When has he not been on an injury list? He always plays unless the injury is HUGE.
While missing both would be a huge deal, I still think we can win. The Lions still turn the ball over more than any team in football and get sacked more than any team in football. Our D WILL cause them problems!

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so Moss is out for sure...man that guy is fragile

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;358711]so Moss is out for sure...man that guy is fragile[/QUOTE]

Who says Moss is out for sure?

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;358711]so Moss is out for sure...man that guy is fragile[/QUOTE]

He and Portis missed practice on Monday, but no one is calling either of them out for this week.

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[quote=SmootSmack;358713]Who says Moss is out for sure?[/quote]

sorry...sometimes its hard telling what's what...I hope he plays...I'm getting tired of these injuries

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Portis will play, IMO, but I wouldn't be surprised not to see Moss. I think the trainers think that Moss really needs to keep off his injuries (playing could really make them worse), while with Portis, it's just rest as much as you can, and then play in pain.

Just wildly speculatin, yo.

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The injury report comes out today so we will see about SM and CP.

To answer the question, I think the Skins will have a tough time beating the Lions. I think the D will have to win this game because I'm just not sure the O can score enough points to win.

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Unfortunately, I think we might not win with Moss and Portis. The Lions are another one of those offensive explosion teams that I don't think we can keep up with offensively.

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Reading the ESPN scouts review of Lions-Bears was that the DET front 7 was too physical for the Bears. I wish we had Randy Thomas back..

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I can see the Lions coming in and having a big letdown after a huge win last week. They are in for a rude awakening come Sunday. We are not the Bears. JC will beat them deep on atleast 4 occasions. Moss and Portis will play and Portis will have 200 yards from scrimmage. Moss will be doubled all day so ARE and Lloyd will both score. Yea I said Lloyd will score. We put up 40+, and the Defense gets 6 sacks and 4 picks from Kitna and hold them to 13.



Bitches!

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If Moss can't go I think that's a bigger loss than Portis.

Betts is a more than capable backup, but we have some serious question marks at WR behind Randle El. I hope Caldwell is ready to go and can give us some meaningful snaps.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;358727]I can see the Lions coming in and having a big letdown after a huge win last week. They are in for a rude awakening come Sunday. We are not the Bears. JC will beat them deep on atleast 4 occasions. Moss and Portis will play and Portis will have 200 yards from scrimmage. Moss will be doubled all day so ARE and Lloyd will both score. Yea I said Lloyd will score. We put up 40+, and the Defense gets 6 sacks and 4 picks from Kitna and hold them to 13.



Bitches![/QUOTE]

When is the last time the Skins scored 40+ points?

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[QUOTE=irish;358732]When is the last time the Skins scored 40+ points?[/QUOTE]

From memory I think it was San Francisco in 05.

There's no question that Moss would be a bigger loss than Portis. Our roster is built to sustain RB injuries, but our depth is so lacking at WR even with Moss in the lineup it's hard to imagine us really threatening to stretch the field.

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Randle El can get deep, but obviously losing Moss would hurt since he's one of the best deep threats in the game today. Also, it would be nice if we could get Cooley more involved with the passing game and less involved with blocking.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;358727]I can see the Lions coming in and having a big letdown after a huge win last week. They are in for a rude awakening come Sunday. We are not the Bears. JC will beat them deep on atleast 4 occasions. Moss and Portis will play and Portis will have 200 yards from scrimmage. Moss will be doubled all day so ARE and Lloyd will both score. Yea I said Lloyd will score. We put up 40+, and the Defense gets 6 sacks and 4 picks from Kitna and hold them to 13.



Bitches![/QUOTE]
:lol:

thats about the funniest thing I've heard all year! us score 40 points,and LLoyd gets a td too :yeahright

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[quote=Daseal;358725]Unfortunately, I think we might not win with Moss and Portis. The Lions are another one of those offensive explosion teams that I don't think we can keep up with offensively.[/quote]


Maybe playing a against a explosive offense will make the coaches call a less conservative game. Or if we have to come back from behind we'll get to see what our offense can do this year, but possibly w/o Moss or Portis.

I really wish we had more then a week to practice, oh wait...

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I dont know that having portis or moss would make a difference. With those two playing we haven't been able to score enough points. Everyone keeps saying its the Lions, we will beat them no problems. While the die hard fan in me wants to believe that we can and will beat them, I have my doubts. the Lions have 3 to 4 receivers that can get the ball and Kitna is playing pretty good. Now you add Kevin Jones to Tatum Bell and that is a pretty decent 1,2 punch. Offensively they move the ball and put some points up. If we sit back in the cover 3 crap and dont blitz and apply pressure to Kitna they will eat us alive. It may not be big plays but they will methatically move the ball down the field.

offensively if we dont get cooley involved with some balls down the middle of the field our receivers will not get open down field on the outside. We will need to score a minimum of 28 points to keep this close, and I just dont know if we can put that many points up. we haven't put that many points up in quite a while. If we can get a decent run game going early i think those big plays down field will open up for Randel el, Reche, and maybe moss if he plays. I would like to see some of WR screens we use to run so well. Detroit plays somewhat aggressive and that could be a big play if executed.

go SKINS!!

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[quote=heybigstar;358706]the latest redskins insider blog posts show that it is very possible we wont have portis or moss for the lions game. Do we have a chance against the lions without them? are the 3-1 lions going to be favored against us at home .. or are we going to use betts and cartwright with our great left side but depleted right and bully the lions with a strong defensive showing?

whats it gonna be ? how do you guys feel about this game? i admit im nervous.[/quote]

Stop jumping the gun, overreacting and spreading lies. :D

Seriously, they took off a Monday practice. Don't panic. Now if they miss practice all week and especially Friday, then get nervous. But until then...calm down!

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[QUOTE=heybigstar;358726]Reading the ESPN scouts review of Lions-Bears was that the DET front 7 was too physical for the Bears. I wish we had Randy Thomas back..[/QUOTE]

Both Randy T. and Jon J. Having lost the right half of the O line is more than most teams can bear.

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[quote=Buster;358748]Stop jumping the gun, overreacting and spreading lies. :D

Seriously, they took off a Monday practice. Don't panic. Now if they miss practice all week and especially Friday, then get nervous. But until then...calm down![/quote]

Im nervous regardless :) .. I titled the post "Can we win .. " to discuss a situation that is feasible (no CP or 'Tana)

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We have trouble scoring points w/ Moss. If we don't have him it's not looking good cause Det. is going to score.

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I'm hoping for that 'breakout game' from our offense. That is , if we're even to have one this year.

JC needs time to develop and the right side of the line needs time to gell. Maybe our new RG will be a big help in preparing for Detroit since he played there. Plus, our new wr's need time to get in synch. At least they're both vets who should be able to step in.

I'm not so worried about Portis missing practice, but Moss is a different story. Sounds like his injury is more serious. This game is definitely a tough one. We can hope that the Lions have a letdown after the win over chicago.

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This week is a classic example of everybody needs to step up and pick up the slack for those who can't play due to injury. I think Moss and Portis will play, maybe not the whole game, but just their presence will help. I expect a big game from someone we wouldn't normally count on, I just don't know who yet. Maybe it is Lloyd, maybe Betts or the Rock. Our D has to be solid though. We can't get into a shootout with this team, we just weren't built for it.

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As of now, we are challenged to beat practically anyone WITH Portis and Moss. I'm not one of the many doomsday posters here, but without either one of these guys, we will definately be challenged. Thats not to say that Betts can't pick up Portis' slack, but Betts lacks that extra umph that Portis brings. And our receivers? Well, you've already discussed those issues. I'm not a pro athlete, but I've had tendinitis in my shoulder for some time and on occasion, it hurts like hell and I can't even sleep. Granted, it's not my knee and I'm sure Clinton has a much higher threshold for handling pain than I ever will, but you gotta wonder how that is wearing on him. He's a tough SOB, so I doubt he'll let it stop him.

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Looks like we're gonna need a breakout game from our offense AND defense!!! It's time for this team to show what they're made of.

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We need to win against Detroit and it doesn't matter how.

I do not expect this game to be a "breakout" game on offense. It's hard to have a breakout game without two of your starting o-lineman, and possibly two of your starting offense weapons.

What I hope to see, is an offense similar to the end of 2006. We'll try and shove the ball up their throats, and pray for turnovers and plays on special teams. This is a very winnable game, but we'll need to control the clock.

I'm really hoping we can pull a close one out, because I really don't think they're is any other way to do it. Godspeed redskins.

Prediction: Redskins 20 Lions 17 (OT)

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[quote=RobH4413;358767]We need to win against Detroit and it doesn't matter how.

I do not expect this game to be a "breakout" game on offense. It's hard to have a breakout game without two of your starting o-lineman, and possibly two of your starting offense weapons.

What I hope to see, is an offense similar to the end of 2006. We'll try and shove the ball up their throats, and pray for turnovers and plays on special teams. This is a very winnable game, but we'll need to control the clock.

I'm really hoping we can pull a close one out, because I really don't think they're is any other way to do it. Godspeed redskins.

Prediction: Redskins 20 Lions 17 (OT)[/quote]

Every NFL team has injuries. It's not an excuse. Det played w/out Calvin Johnson last week.

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[quote=skinsfan69;358769]Every NFL team has injuries. It's not an excuse. Det played w/out Calvin Johnson last week.[/quote]
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What are you trying to say here? It's not an excuse for what?

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definitely glad it's a home game

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Can they...yes
will they...no

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by 'breakout game' I mean it in relative terms - 3 touchdowns could be it, or maybe no turnovers while dominating the time of poss.
I don't think it's realistic to hope for 30+ points, but if we can have a game on O significantly better than the philly game, that would be a huge step. Give me 3 long td drives & I'd be happy as our D should be able to manage w/that. Can't keep them on the field like the 2nd half against the g men.

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[quote=RobH4413;358771]?

What are you trying to say here? It's not an excuse for what?[/quote]

It's not an excuse if we lose cause there are teams with injuries that are winning.

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Of course every team has to deal with injuries but they can get to a point where they are very difficult to overcome. Look at Chicago's D right now.

An injury or two here or there is one thing, but when they start piling up I'm afraid they can be used as a legit excuse.

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[quote=Mattyk72;358731]If Moss can't go I think that's a bigger loss than Portis.

Betts is a more than capable backup, but we have some serious question marks at WR behind Randle El. I hope Caldwell is ready to go and can give us some meaningful snaps.[/quote]The way Moss has been playing this year though, its hard to see us taking a step backwards on offense because he's out.

I always figured that the offense would get a lot better once he picked it up, but it looks like this could be a very lackluster year for Moss. With Cooley and Randle El out there, we should be alright, but Campbell will struggle this year if he can't find guys open ever.

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Here is a comforting stat:

The lions lost on the road to philly - badly.
Then they did beat the Bears -- but the bears were missing their ENTIRE SECONDARY and lance briggs.

Kitna may throw some picks this week.. i just hope the right side of the line steps up, maybe that new OL demulling will start over Fabini.

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I think that the right side of the line has played very well with the situation they are in and will get better as he year goes on. I'm not real concerned with Moss and Portis as it seem that both will be OK and the skins site said that Moss could be going in practice on Wednesday. I feel the key to the game is JC finding the open WR and stop hitting short stuff as he did against the Gmen.

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Here's a comforting nugget of information:

The Lions are terrible. It took Matt Millen 6 years to build a competant passing game while ignoring the rest of his team. While I'm not willing to say that it is impossible for us to come out on the short end of this, we are the far superior team in this matchup.