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I don't mean the outcome. The outcome sucked.

I am referring to the quality of the broadcast by ESPN which I thought was the best they have done since taking over last year. They talked football a lot and there were no guests other than Jim Kelly who was brief. (I guess there are no movies currently being filmed in Western New York. No Disney movies anyway) There was also a point where Tirico stifled himself and said "Let's just enjoy this crowd" which was a good idea. The Buffalo fans are great. That place can't have bathroom facilities adequate to level of boozing taking place and yet no one ever seemed to leave their seat. Maybe they were all wearing diapers. Anyway, I think perhaps ESPN is finally starting to get it.

Also Parcells, continues to shine. His QB Commandments segment was great. It seemed to leave Berman a little speechless it was so good which made it even better. He should have his own show.

Also, I was a little nervous when they said that Ralph Wilson is 89. I thought, if Buffalo loses this game, they need to have paramedics standing by because that guy is going to have an infarction. Unbelievable ending. Anyone who thinks that life is fair need only view side by side video of Jones and Wilson after that game to become a profound cynic.

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I personally want to kill stuart scott for arguing with ex-players, coaches, and sports writers about football...he looks like a F***ing moron. I really hope he signs somewhere else soon. I used to not mind him...until he began to think he was an established sports analyst...he's always wrong...and really really stupid.

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I'll agree the broadcast was improved. Probably because no celebs are going to be hanging out in Buffalo. LOL

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No question it was better last night. A crazy game didn't hurt either.

I, too, like to listen to Bill Parcells b/c I feel at least he has knowledge of the game. Like him or hate him as a coach he is a good, if not great evaluator of talent and knows how to build a team. Good stuff.

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i've always like parcell's,but scott,emmitt,steve young,and keyshaun are all walking talking clusterf**ks as announcers.i got tired of all the shots of jerry jones too!!!!!!

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I thought it was just as bad as they keep cutting back to them for what seems like after every play. It breaks up the flow of the game and its like they want to tell us what teams are doing rather then letting us watch. Its nice that they cut back just in time to see the snap of the ball then back to them. I know its not that bad and announcers have never really bothered me before and I just use to kind of laugh as people here would complain. It was that Philly game that gave me the impression that these guys in the booth thought they were more important then what was going on, on the field.

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Well I told you guys that this year ESPN was drastically cutting back on the "guests in the booth" but that there would still be some occassions when it would occur, but they would be more athletes and fewer actors/musicians

Parcells is very good. I like Keyshawn. Young is average. Emmitt needs some serious work.

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Emmitt is horrible. The guy needs speech lessons or something, he sounds like he's got marbles in his mouth.

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[quote=Mattyk72;361815]Emmitt is horrible. The guy needs speech lessons or something, he sounds like he's got marbles in his mouth.[/quote]

Emmitt should stick to dancing!

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The only way MNF's broadcast could get better is if they got rid of that annoying know-it-all Tirico, that better-in-studio Jaws, and sent Kornheiser to some deserted island (preferably on another planet in a galaxy far, far away). Until then the new ESPN MNF stinks unless there's actually a good, competitive game going on, or unless my beloved Skins are whopping up on someone.

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[QUOTE]Emmitt is horrible. The guy needs speech lessons or something, he sounds like he's got marbles in his mouth.[/QUOTE]

i think he needs an enema to clear his brain out!!!

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[quote=firstdown;361812]I thought it was just as bad as they keep cutting back to them for what seems like after every play. It breaks up the flow of the game and its like they want to tell us what teams are doing rather then letting us watch. Its nice that they cut back just in time to see the snap of the ball then back to them. I know its not that bad and announcers have never really bothered me before and I just use to kind of laugh as people here would complain. It was that Philly game that gave me the impression that these guys in the booth thought they were more important then what was going on, on the field.[/quote]

I'm totally sick of the cutting to the booth and then just in time back to the snap. It sets my nerves on edge. One more game of thinking the announcers are the show and I'm through with MNF. It infuriates me when they ramble on about something instead of identifying the tackler. I simply can't stand those morons and their stupid fluff.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;361813]Well I told you guys that this year ESPN was drastically cutting back on the "guests in the booth" but that there would still be some occassions when it would occur, but they would be more athletes and fewer actors/musicians

Parcells is very good. I like Keyshawn. Young is average. Emmitt needs some serious work.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Parcells is good, offers a lot of insight.
Keyshawn has good comments but needs to work on his delivery. He seems to be very monotonous.
I like Young, this is not the first time I've heard someone say he's not very good, or average. Why do you guys think he's not very good?
Totally agree with Emmitt too...he only there because of his distinguished football career. I'd take Sterling Sharpe over him any day.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;361914]I'm totally sick of the cutting to the booth and then just in time back to the snap. It sets my nerves on edge. One more game of thinking the announcers are the show and I'm through with MNF. It infuriates me when they ramble on about something instead of identifying the tackler. I simply can't stand those morons and their stupid fluff.[/QUOTE]

You know, a lot of times, my wife and I will just mute the TV and watch the game. It's a lot more peaceful at times...give that a try.

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I haven't watched a full broadcast of MNF since the Skins-Eagles game, but from the bits I have seen since that time the broadcast seems much improved. Seems like they are letting Jaws do more analysis and Kornheiser is backing away from his 'aw-shucks its a football game and I'm confused' routine and actually providing some relevant comments and setting up Jaws better than he was previously. Clearly I credit SmootSmack with all of these improvements. Well done sir.

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Were we watching the same MNF? As I recall the crew was swinging from the Romo's nutsack even though he threw 5 picks and fumbled once. And weren't they dogging the Bills all night long?

These guys are 100% trash and make watching MNF unbearable.

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[quote=saden1;362182]Were we watching the same MNF? As I recall the crew was swinging from the Romo's nutsack even though he threw 5 picks and fumbled once. And weren't they dogging the Bills all night long?

These guys are 100% trash and make watching MNF unbearable.[/quote]


I didn't watch the game, but I bet they were like a bunch of high school girls drooling over twitch he made.

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[quote=12thMan;362190]I didn't watch the game, but I bet they were like a bunch of high school girls drooling over twitch he made.[/quote]

See, that is why I think this is subjective. I was watching the game with my borther, a Skins fan, and I was telling how Tony is being a total homer (I've heard him say that before) and just tries to make Dallas look bad, and Romo helped him a lot.

I have to say, Mike and Jaws were acting little over-board. Come on, after Romo threw 4 INTs, they still kept talking about how he is going to come back. Anyone else would be talking about Brad Johnson and why he is not playing.

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Emmit Smith Sucks.

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[quote=TheBigD;362218]See, that is why I think this is subjective. I was watching the game with my borther, a Skins fan, and I was telling how Tony is being a total homer (I've heard him say that before) and just tries to make Dallas look bad, and Romo helped him a lot.

I have to say, Mike and Jaws were acting little over-board. Come on, after Romo threw 4 INTs, they still kept talking about how he is going to come back. Anyone else would be talking about Brad Johnson and why he is not playing.[/quote]


Oh, make no mistake about it Tony K. is an absolute homer and he makes no bones about it. I'm kinda of suprised they would have him call games the way he loves the Skins.

That being said, I think it's possible he goes out of his way to hate on Dallas some because of the lopsided attention they seem to get in the media.

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Emmitt Smith is horrible to listen to.

The broadcast was much better b/c they actually talked about the game instead of talking to someone in the booth about world issues. Now, did they go overboard w/ the Romo lovefest, of course.

I can listen to Jaws b/c he's knows what he's talking about on most cases, Tirico and Kornheiser are ok as well. However the best to listen to are...

Michaels/Madden
Phil Simms/Gumbel
Joe Buck/Aikman

In no particular order...

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[quote=dblanch66;362221]Emmit Smith Sucks.[/quote]

OMG he is simply terrible. TV is not for him. But the guy I miss is Irvin. Irvin was great on TV.

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[quote=redsk1;362247]Emmitt Smith is horrible to listen to.

The broadcast was much better b/c they actually talked about the game instead of talking to someone in the booth about world issues. Now, did they go overboard w/ the Romo lovefest, of course.

I can listen to Jaws b/c he's knows what he's talking about on most cases, Tirico and Kornheiser are ok as well. However the best to listen to are...

Michaels/Madden
Phil Simms/Gumbel
Joe Buck/Aikman

In no particular order...[/quote]

Buck and Aikman are my favorite (we get Kenny Albert and Aikman this week ... who cares about the LCS anyway, come on Joe), Michaels and Madden a close second. Gotta tell you, Phil Simms is no where near my top three, I can't stand the guy and I don't think his commentary is all that great. I like Tim Ryan a lot (we get him again for the AZ game) but I guess others were down on the commentary from last week (undeservedly in my opinion). That I'm rating commentators really tells me that I am trying to avoid doing work...

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[quote=redsk1;362247]

Michaels/[B]Madden[/B]
[/quote]

Ok, you lost any credibility you had right when you said John "state the obvious" Madden.

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[QUOTE=TheBigD;362491]Ok, you lost any credibility you had right when you said John "state the obvious" Madden.[/QUOTE]

You couldn't possibly be talking about this Madden?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfcMX84YGM]YouTube - John Madden Bootleg[/url]

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/richard_deitsch/10/17/kimmel/index.html]SI.com - Writers - Richard Deitsch: Kimmel responds to MNF ban - Thursday October 18, 2007 12:40PM[/url]


For a man banned from the most famous sports television property in history, Jimmy Kimmel seemed to be holding up fine Wednesday afternoon. "Technically, couldn't you say Joe Theismann has also been banned from Monday Night Football?" Kimmel told SI.com in a phone interview from Los Angeles. "If he showed up, they probably would not let him in. I was hoping to get banned from a casino first, but I suppose it's satisfying in a way to be banned from any television show. I don't know what I did exactly but apparently it was horrific."

What Kimmel did during his appearance this week on ESPN's Monday Night Football, according to the show's producer Jay Rothman, was "classless" and "disappointing." Appearing in the third quarter of a moribund game between the Falcons and Giants, Kimmel took multiple swipes at the not-so-smooth departure of Theismann from the broadcast ("I'd also like to welcome Joe Theismann, watching from his living room with steam coming from his ears") and zinged sacred cows Tom Brady ("What impressed me most is that he could impregnate two models"), Kelly Ripa ("Listen if we can have a Mormon President, I can marry Kelly") and sports betting ("Are you allowed to bet legally on this game?"). "It was cheap," Rothman told Richard Sandomir of The New York Times. "The more he went on, the worse he got."

Rothman told the newspaper Kimmel would not be invited back to the show. "I just can't imagine CBS Sports putting out a similar statement about David Letterman," Kimmel said, laughing.

Does Kimmel feel he stepped over the line with his remarks? "Absolutely not," he said. "I'll tell you something: You only get the audio portion for most of the game, but everyone (in the booth) was laughing whether you can hear it or not. If people were not laughing, I would not have continued with it. I don't know exactly what upset them, if it was the Joe Theismann stuff or something else. I didn't feel like I was making anyone uncomfortable when I was there. Apparently, I did. What I sensed was three guys to my right and left smiling and stopping themselves from saying anything."

He continued. "I was on for twice as long as I was expecting to be on," Kimmel said. "There was no set time on how long I was supposed to be in that booth and they could have removed me without me even knowing there was a problem."

Clearly, the nexis between sports and entertainment doesn't always flow smoothly. Take, for instance, the acting careers of Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal and Dennis Rodman. Or the headache-inducing appearance of actor Christian Slater on MNF last year. Prior to the season ESPN executive vice president Norby Williamson told SI.com that relevance would be the single most important factor when deciding on a celebrity guest on Monday Night Football. "Relevance can be described in a lot of ways," Williamson told SI.com. "Is there a connection to the two teams that are playing? Is there a connection to sports? Every guest that we tried did not work, but we succeeded on a number of platforms. They [the guest] have to make the viewer smarter or more engaged about that event. We hit the mark more often than not last year, but the barometer for us is going to be A-list relevant."

Kimmel fits that bill as ABC's late-night host and a former member of Fox's NFL Sunday crew. He said ESPN's executive vice president for content John Skipper reached out to him in a phone call on Wednesday in an attempt to smooth things over. "I got a call from John Skipper who I like a lot," said Kimmel. "He was apologetic. The unfortunate thing for people who did not see the broadcast is now it looks like I exposed myself on national television. Really, I wasn't even making fun of Joe. I just thought it was a funny and inappropriate but harmless thing to bring up in the booth."

On Wednesday night, an ESPN spokesperson emailed a statement to SI.com: "We have had a great relationship working with Jimmy and we will continue to work with him in the future."

Kimmel said he read the Times piece online after midnight on Tuesday and "was surprised to say the least." Last year he appeared on Monday Night Football and received universal praise, delivering to Theismann what many critics thought was the line of the year on the broadcast ("How's the leg, Joe?"). "I know (Skipper) was high on my appearance last year," said Kimmel. "The fact of the matter is, it's probably not the place for me. They have a way they go about doing things and I don't know what is expected. I always do pretty much the same thing. I don't really change my sense of humor for the venue."

"As far as sports journalism on television goes, there are so many parties attached to so many other parties that everything you say has major ramifications. When I was at Fox it was the same way. You can't make fun of Jerry Jones because he's the head of the committee that decides which network gets the NFL. There are sacred cows and that's just not honest broadcasting. There really isn't a place for honesty. That's why everyone goes so crazy when somebody like Mike Vick does something that is universally reviled. That's when everyone gets up on their high horse and lambastes him because they know that they can. Everybody is so careful the rest of the time. God forbid, you say something that is not part of the script. It might be the most politically correct of all arenas."

Kimmel repeated to SI.com several times that he has no personal animus for Theismann. When contacted by the Times, Theismann, who has been critical of ESPN executives for removing him for Ron Jaworski, took Kimmel's comments in stride, "I don't have an opinion about what people say, but it's nice to know you're missed," he said. "It's interesting that people remember me." Said Kimmel: "If I was taking shots at Theismann, I would agree with him [Rothman]. I wasn't. I knew it was a topic that had not been addressed and I asked questions. Sometimes I'll say things to break whatever tension there is in a foolish way. That's all I did. Believe me, I'm not trying to kick Joe Theismann when he is down. I didn't mean anything specifically about him. It's just the last time I was in the booth Joe was in there and that was a big part of what we talked about. This time Joe was not there. It seemed like something that should be mentioned."

Opinion on Kimmel's appearance seemed to split along old and new media lines. Mainstream outlets from Newsday ("a tad obnoxious and overbearing, tossing out cringe-inducing cracks about Joe Theismann and Mormons, among other targets") and the Orlando Sentinel ("cheap shots were not funny but were cowardly") took the comic to task. The sports blogsphere seemed unfazed. If anything, Kimmel is guilty of doing what he has always done: cracking jokes and causing trouble.

Kimmel said he did not have interaction with Rothman after the broadcast but walked out with a couple of producers. He described them as "pleased." Asked for his opinion on safe Monday Night guests, Kimmel suggested Gloria Estefan and Carrot Top ("but they would have to go through his suitcase"). For his part, Kimmel says he is unlikely to appear again on Monday Night Football. "I don't know if I am actually banned from the show but I do know it would be far too uncomfortable to go in there," he said. "Whether I'm technically banned or whether Jay Rothman has the right to make that decision, let's put it this way: Jay Rothman is banned from my show."



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MNF broadcasts back in the toilet.

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LOL I missed that debacle with Kimmel.

Note to ESPN, PLEASE STOP PUTTING GUESTS IN THE BOOTH!!!

I was talking about the MNF booth with a friend the other day and we both agreed there was nothing wrong with the old crew of Mike Patrick, Theismann and Maguire. In fact we both agreed that crew is sorely missed.

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I almost felt like the falcons were listening to the commentary...cause the more uninterested in the game the commentators became...the more uninterested in the game the falcons became....it was eerie

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Kimmel is such a tool.

"For a man banned from the most famous sports television property in history, Jimmy Kimmel seemed to be holding up fine Wednesday afternoon. "Technically, couldn't you say Joe Theismann has also been banned from Monday Night Football?" Kimmel told SI.com in a phone interview from Los Angeles. "If he showed up, they probably would not let him in. I was hoping to get banned from a casino first, but I suppose it's satisfying in a way to be banned from any television show. [B]I don't know what I did exactly but apparently it was horrific[/B]."

The whole Theismann schtick is tired and he needs a new writer and/or material. He has been pretty funny in other programs, but yes, he [I]WAS[/I] horrific! Just when I thought ESPN was getting it on MNF, in comes Kimmel.

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It's okay for ESPN to fire Theismann, but it's bad form for Kimmel to remind them of this fact? I don't get it. I suspect some sort of housecleaning is coming at MNF, at ESPN or both. The show is a complete trainwreck.