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Hi everyone, this is my first thread so hopefully i wont get beat up too badly here. However, i was doing a little research getting ready for this sunday's game and found an interesting little tidbit that I haven't heard much talk about. All week we've heard about how great the Packers passing attack is, but what no-one has looked at, is the current rankings of the pass defenses Farve and the Pack have gone up against. Without further ado, this is what I found and the point being; I really like how our secondary matches up with this pass-first offense. It seems as if everyone is scared to say that maybe farve and the packers offense is over-rated, but I'll come out and say just that. Very similiar to detroit's record coming into last week's game.

the current pass-defense rankings of the team's the Pack have faced (by YPG)..

week 1: Philly: Farve 206 yds (0 TD, 1 INT), philly ranks 21st
week 2: NYG: Farve 286 yds (3 TD, 1 INT), nyg ranks 20th
week 3: SD: Farve 369 yds (3 TD, 0 INT). SD ranks 27th
week 4: Minn: Farve 344 yds (2 TD, 0 INT), Minn ranks 30th
week 5: Chicago: Farve 322 yds (1 TD, 2 INT), Chicago ranks 26th

Hail.

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impressive first blog, yeah....they could be overraded just like the lions....however, their defense does make up for much of the difference

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overrated

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Yeah, but you could say that GB had a little bit to do with why those pass defense ratings are what they are. Goes both ways.

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Yeah, they had an effect on 20% of those teams ratings. That doesnt make the point invalid.

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Welcome, InGibbs....and good first!
Your correct, it is an interesting point. I to, like the way we match up. If we do our job, we may see a little of the Brett we love, with four or five int's
HTTR

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fantastic stat and welcome. i wonder if you removed the games that the pack played against those teams, if it would significantly raise their ranking. I don't have a clue but with only 5 games one game can put down an average quite a bit. Regardless, we will see how they play against the #3 D

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Good post. I think the test this week will be to see if Campbell and the offense can control the ball against a Packers defense that is the best group we've faced. In spite of these numbers, I still think we need to lean heavily on the ground game. This sure would be a nice week for Portis to get over the 100 yard mark. It's a lot easier to win road games if you don't have to throw much.

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Anyone feel like showing us what the Lions first opponents pass defenses looked like?

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Excellent first post. Most regulars don't put that much effort into threads. Well done and welcome.

I echo the sentiments of the board. I think it is a telling stat, but a bit inflated because of what the Pack could have done to their D rankings.

It is the whole issue of the direction of causality. Is X causing Y or vice versa.

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na, ive been here for a while. And i expend energy like that sparingly.

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[quote=Monksdown;362954]Yeah, they had an effect on 20% of those teams ratings. That doesnt make the point invalid.[/quote]

I don't believe I said the point was invalid. I'm simply saying that Green Bay helped to inflate those stats.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;362966]Anyone feel like showing us what the Lions first opponents pass defenses looked like?[/quote]

Lions' opponents:

Wk. 1 - Raiders, [B]22nd pass[/B], 26th overall = [B]284[/B] passing yards (Kitna)
Wk. 2 - Vikings, [B]30th pass[/B], 18th overall = [B]359[/B] passing yards
Wk. 3 - Eagles, [B]21st pass[/B], 9th overall = [B]393 [/B]passing yards
Wk. 4 - Bears, [B]26th pass[/B], 23rd overall = [B]215[/B] passing yards
[B]Wk. 5 - SKINS,[COLOR=DarkRed] 8th pass, 3rd overall[/COLOR] = [COLOR=DarkRed]76 [/COLOR]passing yards


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[quote=Buster;362985]Lions' opponents:

Wk. 1 - Raiders, [B]22nd pass[/B], 26th overall = [B]284[/B] passing yards (Kitna)
Wk. 2 - Vikings, [B]30th pass[/B], 18th overall = [B]359[/B] passing yards
Wk. 3 - Eagles, [B]21st pass[/B], 9th overall = [B]393 [/B]passing yards
Wk. 4 - Bears, [B]26th pass[/B], 23rd overall = [B]215[/B] passing yards
[B]Wk. 5 - SKINS,[COLOR=DarkRed] 8th pass, 3rd overall[/COLOR] = [COLOR=DarkRed]76 [/COLOR]passing yards


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Hmm that sounds pretty good...

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A little more detail.

Oakland: Jon Kitna(289 yds;3TD/2Int) 17th currently against pass
Minnesota: Jon Kitna(245 yds;1TD/1int) 31st currently
Philly: Jon Kitna(446;2td/1int) 12th currently
Chicago: Jon Kitna (247yds;2td/1int) 29th currently
Washington: Jon Kitna(106yds:0td/2int) 15th against the pass currently.

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[quote=Monksdown;362991]A little more detail.

Oakland: Jon Kitna(289 yds;3TD/2Int) 17th currently against pass
Minnesota: Jon Kitna(245 yds;1TD/1int) 31st currently
Philly: Jon Kitna(446;2td/1int) 12th currently
Chicago: Jon Kitna (247yds;2td/1int) 29th currently
Washington: Jon Kitna(106yds:0td/2int) 15th against the pass currently.[/quote]

Yep, I used NET passing yards from boxscores, but your rankings are off according to what I have seen. Where'd you get those?

reference: links in [URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/20198-nfl-defense-rankings.html[/URL]

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Defense&cat=Rankings&conference=NFL&year=season_2007&sort=530&old_category=Total&old_group=Offense"]NFL - Statistics by Team - Yahoo! Sports[/URL] shows passing/rushing ranks.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/scores]NFL Scores: 2007 - Week 6[/url]

I go to the source. NFL.com, and i looked at their official box scores.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29265&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG5]NFL Game Center: Post Game - Detroit Lions at Washington Redskins - 2007 Week 5[/url]

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good first post, and welcome. i see more of the same defense the skins used against the lions. the packers run the west coast, with just about everything thrown underneath. getting pressure on Favre is a big key this week

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OK, NFL.com's rankings match mine.

Seriously, where'd you find those? :D

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&season=2007&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Find]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

We're ranked 8th in passing, not 15th.

Eagles are 21st in pass D, not 12th.

And so on...

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Another interesting note: The Redskins haven't won at Lambeau Field since Oct. 23, 1988 -- final score, Skins 20, Pack, 17.

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im such a moron, i was looking at overall offense. shoot me now.

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From [url=http://www.redskins.com/gameday/]Washington Redskins[/url]


REDSKINS 2007 STATISTICAL RANKINGS

Offense Rank Yards/Game
Total Offense 12 340.8
Rushing Offense 10 130.2
Passing Offense 19 210.5
Defense Rank Yards/Game
Total Defense 3 268.0
Rushing Defense 9 86.0
Passing Defense 8 182.0

PACKERS 2007 STATISTICAL RANKINGS

Offense Rank Yards/Game
Total Offense 6 362.2
Rushing Offense 31 67.6
Passing Offense 1 294.6
Defense Rank Yards/Game
Total Defense 17 328.0
Rushing Defense 14 101.6
Passing Defense 23 226.4

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[quote=Monksdown;363028]im such a moron, i was looking at overall offense. shoot me now.[/quote]

Offense. OK. :benched:


I was just making sure I wasn't blind or dumb. :cheeky-sm

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[quote=Beemnseven;363027]Another interesting note: The Redskins haven't won at Lambeau Field since Oct. 23, 1988 -- final score, Skins 20, Pack, 17.[/quote]

Yeah, but we don't play them often, so that 19 years looks worse than it really is.

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Interesting stat, I just don't like the idea of tearing down an opponent's success to feel good about the redskins chances. That's underestimating the opponent and having a lack of respect for them. At least a couple of the Packers' opponents on defense have played great in past seasons and still employ the same scheme and have most of their personnel.

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Interesting stat indeed. The Skins D has given up a grand total of 2 TD passes all season. I like our chances even more after seeing the relative weakness of pass defenses that Favre has faced.

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[quote=warriorzpath;363036]Interesting stat, I just don't like the idea of tearing down an opponent's success to feel good about the redskins chances. That's underestimating the opponent and having a lack of respect for them. At least a couple of the Packers' opponents on defense have played great in past seasons and still employ the same scheme and have most of their personnel.[/quote]

No one is tearing them down.

They have a good offense, so far, despite the weak opponents. Their passing game is tops in the league and their running game is next-to-last, ranked #31. Our offense is in the top half of the league, more balanced with rushing and passing, doing fairly well in both.

We have one of the top defenses in the league, FAR better than theirs (us 3rd, them 17th and surrender 60 more yards a game than us.


Defense will decide the game and going by stats and the season so far, we have a BIG advantage, especially with their CBs not being healthy: Blackmon - out (foot), Harris - probable (Back), Woodson - probable (foot)

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Well, when they did want to run the ball on the Bears last week they did a nice job, at least on their first couple of drives. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they came out trying to run on their first couple drives then start going over the top. Kind of the same thing they did with Chicago. We all know that Brett can throw, and he does get reckless with the ball. We are going to have to take advantage of every single errant pass he has and if they do pound it out then we will just continue what we have been doing all year.

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The main difference between the packers and lions offenses is the packers superior offensive line and the fact that farve is very tough to bring down. It helps that their center is out but I don't see our dline being able to harrass GB all day without the help of some blitzes. Should definitely still be a close game but I just don't see Farve putting up 300 yds through the air against our secondary.

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Follow-up:

week 1: Philly: Farve 206 yds (0 TD, 1 INT), philly ranks 21st
week 2: NYG: Farve 286 yds (3 TD, 1 INT), nyg ranks 20th
week 3: SD: Farve 369 yds (3 TD, 0 INT). SD ranks 27th
week 4: Minn: Farve 344 yds (2 TD, 0 INT), Minn ranks 30th
week 5: Chicago: Farve 322 yds (1 TD, 2 INT), Chicago ranks 26th

week 6: Skins: Farve 188 yds (0 TD, 2 INT) = QB Rating of 43.5, Skins now rank 5th in nfl in pass defense at 179.4 ypg

Can't blame our secondary or defense for this one, although a few more picks would have helped.

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I mean our defense only gave up one touchdown anyway. It's depressing.

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[quote=Beemnseven;363027]Another interesting note: The Redskins haven't won at Lambeau Field since Oct. 23, 1988 -- final score, Skins 20, Pack, 17.[/quote]That was the first day of my honeymoon - I sent the little lady shopping when I realized that I could see the Skins in Grand Cayman ;-)

I recall Kelvin Bryant got the start at RB and had a career day for the Skins.