Why all the complaining?
 

You know no matter what happened we ended up WINNING the Game. There are some things that can be questioned but you also have to remember this is the NFL and the other teams step up when their backs are against the wall. No matter what happened we won the game.

Can everyone on here just talk about the Fact that we are 4-2 when everyone including alot of you thought we would have a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

Can you talk about how the Defense is dominant and if not for two stupid personal fouls the game would have never been close?

Sure all you want to do is complain but I guarntee you the Packers fans weren't complaining they beat us when we gave the game away.

Let's just go with the facts, we have a great defense an injured offensive line and we play hard. We are 4-2 not 3-3.

Have a good week and just hope we can pull off a Major Upset next week.

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This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

our o-line is young and inexperienced. They will pick it up more and more as the weeks progress.

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Im sorry....WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL!!!

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What is troubling is that watching this team is dare I say, like watching the Skins during the Norv Turner era try to give away a game. Let's count the ways:

1. Up 14-0 and having forced a change of possession on downs, Gibbs/Saunders dial up a screen pass on first down at mid-field that is intercepted, leading to a Cardinal score. Instead of seizing the game with a score before the half we let a team on the ropes back in the game - sound familiar?

2. Up 21-6 in the 3rd quarter, the D takes TWO personal fouls on 3rd down stops, all but handing the Cards another score to make it a one TD game again.

3. Ultra-conservative offensive playcalling when it's clear that the Cards are selling out to stop the run. I counted ONE Campbell pass attempt over 20 yards (to Thrash). That is not enough to get Adrian Wilson and gang to respect the pass. We are four years into Gibbs 2.0 and this offense still only scores 3 or more TDs less than one third of the time.

4. At one point, I believe that the Skins had about 10 consecutive runs on 1st down. Is that the kind of predictability that we're paying Saunders $2M to dial up?

Until Gibbs takes the handcuffs off of Campbell and trusts him to make plays downfield, the Skins will remain mired in mediocrity.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;367069]our o-line is young and inexperienced. They will pick it up more and more as the weeks progress.[/quote]

The o-line is the problem, you are obviously right there. They aren't young, though, and the reason everyone is so down, I suspect, is that with the o-line basically in shambles there is not much prospect for improvement of the offense. Getting Rabach back will help, but Fabini is simply not a good player. He can pass block some, but got eaten alive by Dockett today, and cannot run block to save his life. The Skins cannot run right, backs are being forced to make cuts three and four yards deep. I just am far less sanguine about the future prospects of the line than you are. Let's be clear, though, the problem IS the line not Campbell or Portis or Saunders. You could see Campbell's offseason progress in that first half. The throw to Randle El was great, he threw it to the back shoulder because he saw the safety coming over the middle and the read on the abortive shovel pass to Portis where he saw that the Cards read the play and so he tucked it and ran for the first down was great as well. If the Skins can't run, though, they are going to struggle to beat anyone the rest of the way. The Defense was worn down by the end because the offense could not sustain a drive or even pick up a first down. They couldn't open any holes and they couldn't protect Jason, and I'm not sure what is going on with Moss at this point.

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its the oline not campbell, he is playing great after only getting to play for less then 2 full seasons. he was second in the nfc in passer rating coming into the game. the offense looks like shit right now and its on the offensive line being injured. we have 3 starters out on the line. Our yards per play running has decreased every week since week one when we were healthy. if you cant run, it opens up no room for the passing game... Campbell is playing pretty good. his deep ball needs a little air underneath, but his short and midpasses are where they need to be, we just need to catch them....

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I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=SouperMeister;367075]What is troubling is that watching this team is dare I say, like watching the Skins during the Norv Turner era try to give away a game. Let's count the ways:

1. Up 14-0 and having forced a change of possession on downs, Gibbs/Saunders dial up a screen pass on first down at mid-field that is intercepted, leading to a Cardinal score. Instead of seizing the game with a score before the half we let a team on the ropes back in the game - sound familiar?

2. Up 21-6 in the 3rd quarter, the D takes TWO personal fouls on 3rd down stops, all but handing the Cards another score to make it a one TD game again.

3. Ultra-conservative offensive playcalling when it's clear that the Cards are selling out to stop the run. I counted ONE Campbell pass attempt over 20 yards (to Thrash). That is not enough to get Adrian Wilson and gang to respect the pass. We are four years into Gibbs 2.0 and this offense still only scores 3 or more TDs less than one third of the time.

4. At one point, I believe that the Skins had about 10 consecutive runs on 1st down. Is that the kind of predictability that we're paying Saunders $2M to dial up?

Until Gibbs takes the handcuffs off of Campbell and trusts him to make plays downfield, the Skins will remain mired in mediocrity.[/quote]
Well said, and I second that. This team is going to get it's ass handed back to them against new england I'm sorry to say.

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[quote=Mattyk72;367081]I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.[/quote]

Yeah he did ok, but at the same time how can you assume the D will play this amazing all year round? That is impossible. No defense consistently returns picks for TDs and creates turnovers.

The point is yeah we did ok, but we didn't play a good team and we barely sqeaked by. Next week will be terrible and I can't begin to imagine playing the Cowboys.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;367081]I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.[/QUOTE]

I think the majority of these fans underestimate the importance of having a healthy, good offensive line. I guess they think the guys up front are just big fat guys who can be easily replaced. If this is the line of thinking, then it cannot be farther from the truth.

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They saying goes that it all starts up front, and I think that couldn't be any further from the truth.

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[quote=4mrusmc;367067]This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.[/quote]

You really have not seen any progress from Jason Campbell this year, it must only be you

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I just thought the playcalling was terrible today. It looked like the 04/06 offense. No creativity, too many short passes and too many screens. Why are we not trying to get Santana more involved??????? When we do get him involved it's that stupid smoke screen pass.

With all then being said I'm happy as hell we are 4-2. I'll take it.

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My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.

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[quote=4mrusmc;367067]What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. [/quote]

Remember, the kid still hasn't played 16 games.

The O-Line is put together with bubble gum and string, and we didn't have our starting center out there.

But as to progress, I think it is undeniable.

OK: Here are some stats:

Compared to 2006:

His completion rate is up 5 points or 10% more than last year;

His average completion is 14% longer than last year; and

His QB rating is up 6%.


Dunno if I am allowed to post a link, but here is the source:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=8440]ESPN - Jason Campbell Stats, News, Photos - Washington Redskins - NFL Football[/url]


J-Dawg

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=4mrusmc;367067]This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I really dont get the complaining, the last time we beat Arizona we needed a kickoff return for a TD to win the game and we made it to the second round of the playoffs that year, and Arizona was really bad that year. Were fine, we will get healthy and I think our defense will keep us in the game next week.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;367103]I just thought the playcalling was terrible today. It looked like the 04/06 offense. No creativity, too many short passes and too many screens. Why are we not trying to get Santana more involved??????? When we do get him involved it's that stupid smoke screen pass.

With all then being said I'm happy as hell we are 4-2. I'll take it.[/quote]


im agreeing here, i was shaking my head in disbelief at how god awful the playcalling was. we did the typical third and long throw it to the slowest guy (sellers) who gets stopped 5 yards short of the first down marker, well no shit!

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[quote=dblanch66;367115]Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.[/quote]


were you referring to "the offense looks like crap" because i also will agree with that.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=rypper11;367106]My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.[/quote]

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;367136]Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!![/QUOTE]

I get sooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining in general. It's even more ignorant when we actually win the game and have a winning record of 4-2. But, that's just me. :rolleyes:

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;367093]They saying goes that it all starts up front, and I think that couldn't be any further from the truth.[/QUOTE]

Eh? You're saying the line doesn't matter??

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;367136]Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!![/QUOTE]

Oh, so it must be the running backs who fell off, not the offensive line play. When a team loses one starter it's a problem, when you lose 2, that's a pretty big deal. Wade is getting starter money? SO WHAT!!!! (when you add exclamation points, apparently that makes you right) He's not a very good tackle and Fabini used to start, that doesn't mean anything either. It's a bad idea to add depth because you anticipate guys missing entire seasons. Neither one of them is very good, you can see that by watching them play the game.

Somehow, I think that the injured offensive linemen might be keeping the offense from producing the way they could.

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I don't know how to look up this stat, but has a team ever started 4-2 without a TD reception by a WR? We HAVE to get better at getting the ball downfield. It's really bad in that regard.

I know we have to keep Cooley in to block b/c of the line injuries, but how then did he end with 9 catches against GB? Why can't we get ANYTHING down the middle of the field? The running lanes aren't opening for us with the line in the shape that it's in. We need to get the passing game more involved. With 4 outta the next 5 on the road, we need more scoring.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan242;367060]You know no matter what happened we ended up WINNING the Game. There are some things that can be questioned but you also have to remember this is the NFL and the other teams step up when their backs are against the wall. No matter what happened we won the game.

Can everyone on here just talk about the Fact that we are 4-2 when everyone including alot of you thought we would have a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

Can you talk about how the Defense is dominant and if not for two stupid personal fouls the game would have never been close?

Sure all you want to do is complain but I guarntee you the Packers fans weren't complaining they beat us when we gave the game away.

Let's just go with the facts, we have a great defense an injured offensive line and we play hard. We are 4-2 not 3-3.

Have a good week and just hope we can pull off a Major Upset next week.[/QUOTE]

You HAVE to keep in mind how DIE-HARD fans all of us are here, and we see so much potential and talent on this team and hate to see it not being utilized to the fullest!! (aka Pats & Colts...COMPLETELY utilizing all it's talent!)

BUT...when you look at ALL the injuries we've had this early...4-2 is pretty damn good!!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;367136]Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!![/quote]

They are dealing with it. The way they are dealing is by limiting exposure and playing to strengths. Thus, no 7 step drops hoping that the 3rd string guard can block a Pro Bowl DT who already had 6 sacks going into the game. If JC gets hurt would you expect Brunell to run the same plays or ones better suited to him? Injuries are no reason to complain about losses but they are a reason to alter gameplans.

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The ONLY problem I have with the play calling (which on the whole tends to be very good) is that Saunders seems to always have the worst possible play call ready for 3rd and short. It's very easy to predict that we are going to three step drop, and try to drill a pass at a guy who is standing 5 yards from the QB. You don't really need to defend it, because you can't catch a pass that JC throws if you are only standing 5 yards from him.

Do we ever run in 3rd and short? No. Do we ever take advantage of the short yardage to PA pass? No. We just throw it at someones feet and punt.

The worst part is, that I can completely predict that Saunders is going to do it every time we are in third and short. It's undoubtably the worst play call that can be made in that situation, and we do it 100% of third and short situations, no exceptions.

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A wins a win, that is true. I would rather have the win then anything. I think we are complaining because despite our record (which I'm not arguing with either) we have so many problems. We all know we have the talent on this team to be more than an average team, but somehow we find a way to negate that talent. That's why we are complaining. With the talent on this team that game shouldn't have been close at all, dumb penalties or not.

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[quote=4mrusmc;367067]This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. [/quote]

First of all, you don't need to be the Patriots and be dominant on both sides of the ball to make the playoffs and make noise in a weak NFC. Chicago Bears anyone?


[quote=4mrusmc;367067]
What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. [/quote]

Oh, I guess you missed the week where he posted the second-best QB rating in the league. Or the numerous third-and-forever plays where his back was against the wall due to penalties and mistakes, and yet he came through despite the defense bringing the house. And, I guess, you figure the 9 dropped passes last week were all his fault.


[quote=4mrusmc;367067]
And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.[/quote]

You lose 90% of your O-line, and then half of the backups, and what do you expect? Frankly, two rushing TD's ought to stop the bitching. I'd rather see Portis rush 90 times for one yard and 3 TD's than peel off 200 yards and get blanked trying to get the scores.

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[quote=skinsfan69;367136]Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!![/quote]

You know what, though? I listened to the injury report today and it sounds like every team is getting hit in multiple places. They specifically mentioned the Skins in that report, and mentioned we're facing New England next week. You know how many players they mentioned in the NE injury report?

None.

So yeah, it does happen to every team, but some teams also just seem to have a knack for avoiding the bug better than others.

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[quote=dgack;367155]You know what, though? I listened to the injury report today and it sounds like every team is getting hit in multiple places. They specifically mentioned the Skins in that report, and mentioned we're facing New England next week. You know how many players they mentioned in the NE injury report?

None.

So yeah, it does happen to every team, but some teams also just seem to have a knack for avoiding the bug better than others.[/quote]

A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.

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[quote=Cowell;367147]A wins a win, that is true. I would rather have the win then anything. I think we are complaining because despite our record (which I'm not arguing with either) we have so many problems. We all know we have the talent on this team to be more than an average team, but somehow we find a way to negate that talent. That's why we are complaining. With the talent on this team that game shouldn't have been close at all, dumb penalties or not.[/quote]

People need to get a grip. A win is a win. Everybody wants to talk about the good old days, but you know what? We had just as many squeakers back in the Gibbs championship years.

In '87, for example, we beat the Cowboys twice, by a combined total of 10 points. That Dallas team finished 7-8. We beat the Jets by a point, and that team was dead last in their division at 6-9. We beat the Vikes by 3 and they finished one game over .500. The Giants were dead last in the division and one of our wins over them was by four points. We also lost 4 games, by 1, 4, 4, and 2 points, respectively.

It's cliche, but you know the line: any given Sunday. The Ravens found that out today. We didn't. Considering that we played better than GB did last week and still lost, I consider this week's game a much more favorable result.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

I'm probably in the minority here, but for some reason I think we'd still have most of the same offensive problems even if our offensive line was completely healthy.

Portis isn't hitting on all cylinders, Betts hasn't really picked up the slack the way he did last season, and Moss is in a funk. Overall, there just doesn't seem to be much intensity with the players, chemistry between teammates, and general disorganization with coaching.

And no, I never expected us to be on the level of the Patriots.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;367158]A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.[/quote]

Harrison used to be a stud, but he is definitely on the downside of his career. Sammy Morris has been more productive than Maroney, similar to how Betts stepped in for Portis last year. I don't think those situations really equate to some of the other injury scenarios other teams have faced.

And hasn't Seymour been injury-plagued his whole career, a la John Abraham?

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[quote=rypper11;367106]My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.[/quote]You're missing the point. Yes, the Skins won, but with yet another lead at the half, they had their asses handed to them in the 2nd half, and were extremely fortunate to win. What you, me, and every Skins fan wants to see is reasonable progress and production from the offense. Three 3 and outs in the last three posessions with the game on the line just won't get it done most weeks. It was obvious that the power running game wasn't working, and the Cards weren't respecting anything deep, so why not go to three and four WR sets to spread the field? Maybe open up more running lanes that way. Something, anything, show us a little creativity when the original plan isn't working. To me, it appears that we're coaching scared on offense. Thank God for Gregg Williams D, but even that won't be enough against the Pats if Gibbs is content to play for a 17-14 game.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;367166]You're missing the point. Yes, the Skins won, but with yet another lead at the half, they had their asses handed to them in the 2nd half, and were extremely fortunate to win. What you, me, and every Skins fan wants to see is resonable progress and production from the offense. Three 3 and outs in the last three posessions with the game on the line just won't get it done most weeks. It was obvious that the power running game wasn't working, and the Cards weren't respecting anything deep, so why not go to three and four WR sets to spread the field? Maybe open up more running lanes that way. Something, anything, show us a little creativity when the original plan isn't working. To me, it appears that we're coaching scared on offense. Thank God for Gregg Williams D, but even that won't be enough against the Pats if Gibbs is content to play for a 17-14 game.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better.

I've been an Al Saunders defender from the beginning, but by this point, I really expected to more ingenuity from his playcalling and scheming.

Perhaps my expectations were a bit high.

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Ok. So, I'm hearing people complain about Al Saunders. Fine. You guys were the ones who said we needed an offensive coordinator other than Joe Gibbs. What difference has it made? At least we made the playoffs under Gibbs' offense. And, that was an offense with Mark Brunell at quarterback, and with one goto receiver in Santana Moss.

So, knowing those facts, if we have all the offensive weapons now that we didn't have in '05, why wouldn't Joe Gibbs' offense work now? Don't get me wrong, until our record falls under .500 and we miss the playoffs again, I will continue to support this team and the coaches. But, I do believe the FO has done just about everything that the fans have asked them to do, and the fans still don't like it.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;367158]A good part of the year NE has been playing w/out Seymour who is one of the best D-linemen in the NFL. Also they played w/out Harrison for 4 games and they also were w/out Maroney for several weeks.[/quote]

Dude, you refuted your own argument. Injuries are not injuries. The Skins have lost two starting offensive linemen for the year and then Wade got hurt last week and was playing with an injured groin this week. Rabach went down last week and didn't play. Pete Kendall is apparently dealing with a hamstring problem and played at less than 100%. So the Skins played with two of the five guys they started the year with and two of the five that did play were playing hurt. If you lose a d-lineman, an RB, and a safety that hurts (but not to the Pats) but if you lose freaking three offensive linemen that f's up your whole offense. Show me another team playing with a patchwork line like the Skins? Oh yeah, the 0-7 Rams and the Ravens. Either of those offenses doing anything at all? The o-line makes the whole thing go man and you lose all those players and it changes everything on offense.

Re: Why all the complaining?
 

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;367182]Couldn't have said it better.

I've been an Al Saunders defender from the beginning, but by this point, I really expected to more ingenuity from his playcalling and scheming.

Perhaps my expectations were a bit high.[/QUOTE]

While Saunders calls the plays, Gibbs sets the game plan and he and Campbell basically said in the postgame that they had a conservative gameplan. Gibbs even said, 'We probably could have taken a few more shots out there, but we were happy with what we were doing.'

Campbell was asked by Kelli Johnson outside the locker room about not throwing downfield at all & he alluded to the gameplan not having many of those plays in it this week.

I don't really care to see JC dropping back and heaving it 30 yds downfield every series, but he's got to take 2-3 shots a game and not completely ignore the middle of the field all game. Success in today's NFL is 12-16 yds downfield over the middle but we seem to always be focused outside the hashes and up the sidelines..