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Ok the game was embarrassing! We got beat every which way possible, the 2 yard passes on 4th and 4 are ridiculous. But it is only one loss to a team that is clearly better than everyone else. I wish we made some adjustments but you can't win when your QB fumbles three times. I wish we watched some Film and covered Varbel on the goal line or blocked him for that matter. We didn't adjust at halftime they just took what was there all game. The only way to look at this is WE HAVE TO BEAT THE JETS.

We got killed and how we respond is important. The coaches have to look at themselves and this next game will tell alot. So lets just move on and see what we have to do to beat the Jets and go to 5-3.

What do we need to do and should we consider replacing Wade? I don't think it would have been that bad if he didn't get torched over and over. While we didn't play that well you can make an argument that our line played well with the exception of Wade, Campbell seemed to have time and they weren't getting a rush up the middle or on samuels side. Wade was just getting smoked all game and only 1 person was hitting our QB.

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I agree, we must win. Luckily the Jets blow, so it'll be an easy win.

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We'll find out what the team is really made of this week. After an ass kicking like that you either come out pissed off as all hell or you curl up in a ball and suck your thumb. It's gut check time for the players and coaches.

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Wade is clearly not a nfl caliber starter. Fabini is clearly not a nfl starter. They are not doing well. Run blocking is a major issue and pass protection is not their strong point either.

Our "backups" should be a little better than this. I don't expect them to jump right in and be no bumps in the road, but you've got to be better than what they are. Maybe the fact that we haven't had a draft in about 5 years could be contributing factor.

Anyways, the Jets are next and our offense has got to do something. The offense is really bad, often. They are good occasionally. If the "O" can't get it together we may not win another 4 games. I believe this week is a season changer. I have no idea what to expect out of the skins at this point.

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I think this is the game where Portis can get his first 100 yard game of the season.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370732]We'll find out what the team is really made of this week. After an ass kicking like that you either come out pissed off as all hell or you curl up in a ball and suck your thumb. It's gut check time for the players and coaches.[/quote]
Great post...

This is our 2nd "Must Win" game. We have to beat the Jets...and preferably beat the shit out of them. We need to get into late '06 form... and just run the ball, stop the run, and catch them cheating with the play action.

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[quote=HughHog;370719]I agree, we must win. Luckily the Jets blow, so it'll be an easy win.[/quote]
Are you kidding me? Have you watched the Redskins for the last like 15 years. There are no easy wins.

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Hopefully we can bust through the line and Knock Pennington Out,But we need to stop that west cost-short pass-1 check down Pass= First DOWN every time Crap.The D needs to step up Big time because after yesterday if we get into the playoffs god willing, the Superbowl, Odds are The Pats or the Colts' will be on the other side and we cant match up with them playing like this.I can totally see us as The ravens,Defense does win Championships,Cause The offense isnt working right now.

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I heard the reason Gibbs did not get made at Belichick for running up the score was beacause Belichick was going to give Gibbs some game film on the Jets before he left town

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I know the offensive line is missing two starters but can our offense be anymore boring? Im not just saying this because we got shalacked but other than Detriot what other game have we excelled on the offensive side of the ball? Were are our two running backs that some thought were the best tandem in the league? When do we start to point fingers at the coaches? Joe, Al?

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[quote=Southtown15;370775]I know the offensive line is missing two starters but can our offense be anymore boring? Im not just saying this because we got shalacked but other than Detriot what other game have we excelled on the offensive side of the ball? Were are our two running backs that some thought were the best tandem in the league? When do we start to point fingers at the coaches? Joe, Al?[/quote]

The more I think about it. Our best asset last year was Randy Thomas pulling behind Dockery and Samuels, or Dockery pulling behind Thomas and Jansen. I don't fault Kendall, he is playing well, but they don't pull him because our right side is so banged up. If somehow Thomas makes it back you will see a strong Oline once again. I don't like Wade starting but he will play better next to Thomas. Thomas should have been in the last few pro bowls and his loss is killing the teams identity. I'm not making excuses but It is apparent his loss means a whole lot and we need to step it up with him gone.

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[quote=redsk1;370747]Wade is clearly not a nfl caliber starter. Fabini is clearly not a nfl starter. They are not doing well. Run blocking is a major issue and pass protection is not their strong point either. [/quote]

According to some people around here, Todd Wade is every bit as good, or even better than Jansen... :laughing2 After watching him decide to block NOBODY on several plays yesterday, I have to disagree.

Regardless of how bad the Jets defense is, the Washington offense is still going to stuggle without some sort of cohesion along the offensive line. I think they'll beat the Jets, but it's going to be a lot closer than people think, unless they come out swinging, and pissed off.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan242;370787]The more I think about it. Our best asset last year was Randy Thomas pulling behind Dockery and Samuels, or Dockery pulling behind Thomas and Jansen. I don't fault Kendall, he is playing well, but they don't pull him because our right side is so banged up. If somehow Thomas makes it back you will see a strong Oline once again. I don't like Wade starting but he will play better next to Thomas. Thomas should have been in the last few pro bowls and his loss is killing the teams identity. I'm not making excuses but It is apparent his loss means a whole lot and we need to step it up with him gone.[/QUOTE]

Good post--I think this is a big deal. The loss of Thomas compounds the loss of Dockery--not because Dock was so great, but because Kendall can't run block that way. Thomas could pick up the slack by pulling--he's one of the best pulling guards around--but Fabini certainly can't. Look, without an offensive line that can dominate the line of scrimmage, it's hard to do anything on offense, as we've seen.

But whatever--we've got a winnable game (no gimme, though) that we have to find some way or other to take. The season depends on it, IMO.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;370796]According to some people around here, Todd Wade is every bit as good, or even better than Jansen... :laughing2 After watching him decide to block NOBODY on several plays yesterday, I have to disagree.

Regardless of how bad the Jets defense is, the Washington offense is still going to stuggle without some sort of cohesion along the offensive line. I think they'll beat the Jets, but it's going to be a lot closer than people think, unless they come out swinging, and pissed off.[/QUOTE]

Yup. On that note, who was Vrabel beating for the sacks? Was it a back, tight end, Wade, Fabini, or some combination thereof?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370818]Yup. On that note, who was Vrabel beating for the sacks? Was it a back, tight end, Wade, Fabini, or some combination thereof?[/quote]

On one of the sacks, Wade looked at Vrabel, then looked inside, and Vrabel just ran right around him untouched. Wade didn't make contact with a singles defender on that particular play. On a few other blitzes, Wade just whiffed on his pickups.

Fabini looked just as bad, but most of the blitzes were coming from the edge, so his poor performance was overshadowed a bit.

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I would be shocked if the Skins lost this game. It may not be an easy win but it will be a win.

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[quote=HughHog;370719]I agree, we must win. Luckily the Jets blow, so it'll be an easy win.[/quote]

I can promise you it's not going to be easy.

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It will be interesting to see if Kellen Clemens provides a boost for the Jets. The Redskins need to win this game and I expect they will.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370833]I can promise you it's not going to be easy.[/quote]A lot of it depends on who they start at QB. -EDIT- Now Clemens has been named the starter. -EDIT-

Clearly, Pennington is not to blame for their 32nd ranked defense, one that is almost as bad as ours was last year.

However, the fans and media are taking their frusteration out on Pennington, who is not doing spectacular, but is playing pretty alright all things considered. He's got no help from his running game, but the Jets passing game is still [URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff.php"]about average[/URL].

So in an attempt to correct the only part of their team that is right, the Jets have just announced that Kellen Clemens, their young gun will start against the Redskins this week. Clemens was underwhelming at the end of the Buffalo game last week.

Also mentioned in the decision to replace Chad were words such as "spark" and "grit".

Does any of this sound familiar? If so, you might be a Redskins fan.

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I am really wary about this game. Clemens comes in, and we don't have substancial film on him. Our offense has been struggling like mad and our defense has no scouting report on Clemens, and additionally we just got gashed bad in the run game.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm taking the Jets in this one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;370842]I am really wary about this game. Clemens comes in, and we don't have substancial film on him. Our offense has been struggling like mad and our defense has no scouting report on Clemens, and additionally we just got gashed bad in the run game.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm taking the Jets in this one.[/quote]

So basically, what you're saying is, Clemens will provide the spark the Jets need to win...

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The Jets needed to try something. Their season is sunk, time to toss the kid in and see what he can do. I'd much rather face a green Kellen Clemens vs. Chad Pennington.

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Agree or disagree, does anyone think this might be the week that we decide to open up the offense = throw on a down other than 3rd?????

I think we could really build campbell's confidence with some successful downfield throws against one of the the worst defenses in the NFL. Squeaking another one out is not gonna help us find ourselves.

I guess the main question is.....did this beating wake up the staff?

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[quote=The Zimmermans;370863]Agree or disagree, does anyone think this might be the week that we decide to open up the offense = throw on a down other than 3rd?????[/quote]

Some of you guys must not watch the games... Washington came out slinging on the first several drives yesterday. There were very few, if any, run, run, pass drives. Not calling pass plays, and being unable to execute the pass plays that are called are two completely different things.

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Let's see

All the turnovers by Campbell were on third and longs. and yes. i watched us throw maybe one pass beyond the line of scrimmage to a receiver all game....and it was to James Thrash

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[quote=The Zimmermans;370872]Let's see

All the turnovers by Campbell were on third and longs. and yes. [B]i watched us throw maybe one pass beyond the line of scrimmage to a receiver all game[/B]....and it was to TRASH[/quote]

You're still incorrect, but you just made a completely different statement that your last post. You made it sound like Washington didn't pass at all on first and second down.

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[quote=Southpaw;370850]So basically, what you're saying is, Clemens will provide the spark the Jets need to win...[/quote]I'm saying we have run defending issues, and that if Clemens has to throw against us off playaction, we very easily could be caught out of position.

I'm also saying that they won't need a lot of points to have a late lead.

It's probably a better situation than having to play Pennington, who would still have been playing for his job, but this is a very bad matchup for us against a not so great team.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;370872]Let's see

All the turnovers by Campbell were on third and longs. and yes. i watched us throw maybe one pass beyond the line of scrimmage to a receiver all game....and it was to TRASH[/quote]

C'mon at least have some respect. I don't care who it is, it's not cool to disrespect the guy's name. Thrash has always been a guy known for busting his tail.

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[quote=Southpaw;370876]You're still incorrect, but you just made a completely different statement that your last post. You made it sound like Washington didn't pass at all on first and second down.[/quote]

Your defending a bad offense that is one-dimensional. I wanted them to let JC throw downfield on first and second down against the Jets. And you argued and said I didnt watch the game???? We have no WR TD's, I'm sorry you love Al saunders....but he's 9-14

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[quote=Mattyk72;370880]C'mon at least have some respect. I don't care who it is, it's not cool to disrespect the guy's name. Thrash has always been a guy known for busting his tail.[/quote]

Yes randy moss is lazy, lloyd is lazy, thrash fights his guts out. But you cannot ignore talent and playmaking ability. Lloyd should be in on third down passing situations to offer a threat. Thrash is a special teamer and decent blocker.

Sorry for trashing his name. I got heated on the play when we tried to go deep to him.

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As far as the playcalling, you can't hide behind it as the reason for our offensive failures. BUT we don't throw often enough on first down, and we tried two more of these asinine "timing" plays on third down, and completed neither.

Regardless of the fact that I don't believe that he's to blame for losing, I am losing respect for Saunders quickly. These plays are stupid and really put our guys in tough situations.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;370885]Yes randy moss is lazy, lloyd is lazy, thrash fights his guts out. But you cannot ignore talent and playmaking ability. Lloyd should be in on third down passing situations to offer a threat. Thrash is a special teamer and decent blocker.

Sorry for trashing his name. I got heated on the play when we tried to go deep to him.[/quote]Don't confuse Brandon Lloyd for a threat. Receiving threats have to catch the ball.

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He caught the ball in San Fran

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Our offense is "out of synch" as they say. Timing plays are good things--see Wes Walker and the Pats 3step drop for example. We are not executing anywhere right now. The deep ball either gets a sack or JC misses folks (at least this week--though it's tough to measure things on that game). The run game is nonexistent--absolutely crucial for what we do, and it's not just Gibbs-football. Saunders had LJ and Priest Holmes--it wasn't all just bombs away, which people always forget. And there have been drops, misreads, and overthrows to boot.

Still, I'm (call me crazy) optimistic: against the Jets, you'll see lots of good things on O. And people will say: hey, they finally opened the playbook! We're going to the superbowl! And it won't be true: we'll just be better able to execute against the Jets than against the Pats. And then we'll get some rhythm and confidence, our playcalling will actually fool people having to shut down something else, and we'll get it on.

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[quote=HughHog;370719]I agree, we must win. Luckily the Jets blow, so it'll be an easy win.[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets hand it to us this weekend. We have zero offense, our defense is beat up and tired, a lot of key guys are banged up pretty good, and we are playing on the road.

I keep waiting for this team to turn the corner, but the offensive futility combined with the myriad of injuries will be hard to overcome this year.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;370890]He caught the ball in San Fran[/quote][URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2005.php"]No[/URL] [URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2004.php"]he[/URL] [URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2003.php"]didn't[/URL].

Catch %'s for Lloyd:

2005-44%
2004-48%
2003-47%

Randle El's this year: 70%

Lloyd's last year: 41%

He's always been bad.

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I was ambivalent about going after him this past summer, but I think we need to start getting the ball to Keenan McCardell more. He's shown he can still get open and get open deep.

And hopefully not only will we try to rattle Clemens, but also their rookie CB Darelle Revis.

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deep passes to lloyd - a lot
deep passes to randle el - none

Lloyd was catching the ball downfield

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This year, Brandon Lloyd has a robust 14% catch.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;370905]deep passes to lloyd - a lot
deep passes to randle el - none

Lloyd was catching the ball downfield[/quote]No. No he wasn't.

Lloyd is terrible.