Cutler vs Campbell stats
 

Cutler:

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int
6 6 120 181 66.3 1,406 7.8 7 8

Campbell:

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int

6 6 100 168 59.5 1,181 7.0 5 5

As you all can see Cutler is no better than Campbell, stats are pretty comparable. Both young QB's with same experience level.

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Who have Denver played this year? Do they have the usual run game (I'm not able to watch the game tonight...)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;371168]Cutler:

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int
6 6 120 181 66.3 1,406 7.8 7 8

Campbell:

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int

6 6 100 168 59.5 1,181 7.0 5 5

As you all can see Cutler is no better than Campbell, stats are pretty comparable. Both young QB's with same experience level.[/quote]

These stats don't include yesterday's numbers. The fact that Campbell only has 6 TD passes in 7 games make me nauseous.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;371168]Cutler:

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int
6 6 120 181 66.3 1,406 7.8 7 8

Campbell:

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int

6 6 100 168 59.5 1,181 7.0 5 5

As you all can see Cutler is no better than Campbell, stats are pretty comparable. Both young QB's with same experience level.[/QUOTE]

You're missing yesterday's stats...but going with those numbers, here we go.

Ummm, what? Cutler is averaging 234 yards per game, Campbell is averaging 196 yards per game...that is a HUGE difference. Cutler is on pace for 19 tds, Campbell is on pace for 13. Cutler is averaging almost 7% more in comp. %.
On a negative note, Cutler is throwing more Int's. Even throwing more Int's, Cutlers passer rating is almost 6 points higher than Campbell's.

There is another KEY stat that is not calculated in passer rating though...While Cutler has 8 int's, he has only 1 lost fumble. Campbell has 5 int's and 5 lost fumbles.
Neither should be bragging about that stat, and they are pretty similar there, but I think we should be talking about how poorly Campbell is doing at this point with 10 turnovers in 6 games. One game he'll look great, the next he looks horrible. I guess this the growing pains, but he needs to learn to stop turning the ball over.

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Again, who have they played? Do they have a good running game? And is their O-line healthy?

Didn't Cuter fumble already tonight? Trying to follow on the net...

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[QUOTE=JWsleep;371176]Again, who have they played? Do they have a good running game? And is their O-line healthy?

Didn't Cuter fumble already tonight? Trying to follow on the net...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he has a lost fumble tonight.

I don't think it really matters to compare these guys...it's a lost cause. We're trying to make ourselves feel better for the poor play of Campbell, that's all this is. I suppose we need to give ourselves a shot in the arm after that horrible game on Sunday, but masking Campbell's poor stats isn't how to do it.

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Everyone is ready to abandon ship. Give up on Campbell, get rid of Gibbs, run Portis out of town. Campbell has now started 16 games, the rule of thumb for NFL QBs is that you really won't know what you have until start number 30. Campbell is a smart player who has made some really good decisions at times this season. He has also missed some big throws and that is probably the most troubling thing about him right now. He missed Moss yesterday on a throw that would have been a first down and he had the three fumbles. Basically everyone sucked yesterday, though, and I'm not sure what value you can really take from that game.

I also don't really see the value in comparing Cutler and Campbell. Why those two QBs? They weren't even in the same draft class, they play in different offenses, etc. Why not compare him to Leinart, or Young, or Alex Smith, or (if you're feeling particularly morbid, which I gather many of you are) Derek Anderson. Anderson came out in the 2005 draft and he has thrown 17 tds and 8 ints for Cleveland this season. It's irrelevant. This isn't about any other QB except for Jason Campbell. No one else matters, comparing him to anyone else makes no difference whatsoever. I still think Campbell is the guy to lead this team. The whole offense sucks right now, but before yesterday that had very little to do with Jason Campbell. I am willing to bet that a lot of QBs making their 14th start against Bill Belichick would look pretty confused. He's done it to more accomplished QBs than Campbell, that's for sure. The guy is a world class a-hole, but he is also a world class game planner.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;371194]Everyone is ready to abandon ship. Give up on Campbell, get rid of Gibbs, run Portis out of town. [/QUOTE]

No one is really saying that. People are jumping to conclusions cause Gibbs play calling or overall decision making was in question, and Campbell is playing poorly. Not sure I have heard many people at all trying to run Portis out of town.

I think it's OK to question our leaders. Gibbs and Campbell are not untouchable, nor are the perfect. We don't need to blindly think everything they do is gold. It's not. None of us are thinking we need another option at either position.

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I was actually thinking about Campbell while watching Cutler tonight too....both hold on to the ball way too long a lot of the time....but both look promising overall.

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[quote=jsarno;371202]No one is really saying that. People are jumping to conclusions cause Gibbs play calling or overall decision making was in question, and Campbell is playing poorly. Not sure I have heard many people at all trying to run Portis out of town.

I think it's OK to question our leaders. Gibbs and Campbell are not untouchable, nor are the perfect. We don't need to blindly think everything they do is gold. It's not. None of us are thinking we need another option at either position.[/quote]

You took the admittedly hyperbolic statement that I led with and thereby ignored the substance of what I said. You simply cannot judge JC off what happened yesterday. The Skins were overmatched in all phases and Belichick had a scheme that confused both Jason and the offense. Even in the win against Arizona, where his stats looked so abysmal, Jason made every important play on the scoring drive that ended up proving the difference in the game. If you didn't think the road was going to be bumpy then you were too optimistic. In my opinion, until yesterday Jason was not the problem with the offense. He has missed some throws, he needs to correct that, but I'm willing to say that a lot of QBs making their 14th starts against the Pats would look pretty bad. I'm not saying you can't be an iconoclast, but I am suggesting that everyone calm down a bit and maybe see what happens in the next few weeks.

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Wow. Favre for the win--so much for Cutler's comeback! (Listening on the radio...) Reminds me a bit of the Giants game--Denver had it on the two basically, and couldn't get it in, after Cutler drove them down there. But they were only down 3 and not 7, so they tied it with the kick. GB won the toss and Favre hits an 83 yard TD on the first play. Man.

How's old Champ feeling? Poor fella. Denver is 3-4, with a crappy D. We are 4-3 with a crappy O. Go figure. Maybe they'll trade Champ back with a pick for Portis. We could each use the help. J/K!!!!

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I think I loather Denver more than any team outside our division. And, of course, I was rooting for them to win tonight to help our cause....and of course they go and lose. Losers!

Cutler is fine, he'll be a good QB

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I, too, loathe Denver--and they let me down the one time I root for them. Dorks.

So, we've lost to a 8-0 team, a 6-1 team, and a 6-2 team. And we we're leading at half against the latter two. I KNOW we have not played our best football yet, so that much is encouraging, if you look at it that way. Seems people don't want to, and I understand why. But all is not lost with the Skins. Solidify the O-line, execute some friggin plays, and we'll be in this thing.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;371183]Yeah, he has a lost fumble tonight.

I don't think it really matters to compare these guys...it's a lost cause. We're trying to make ourselves feel better for the poor play of Campbell, that's all this is. I suppose we need to give ourselves a shot in the arm after that horrible game on Sunday, but masking Campbell's poor stats isn't how to do it.[/QUOTE]

Haven't you been an ardent Campbell supporter? Not trying to call you out, just trying to clarify your position.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;371202]No one is really saying that. People are jumping to conclusions cause Gibbs play calling or overall decision making was in question, and Campbell is playing poorly. [B]Not sure I have heard many people at all trying to run Portis out of town. [/B]

I think it's OK to question our leaders. Gibbs and Campbell are not untouchable, nor are the perfect. We don't need to blindly think everything they do is gold. It's not. None of us are thinking we need another option at either position.[/QUOTE]

Well there are at least 10 people on this site that want him benched.

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Bly got smoked! Guess denver is a pretty good place for him.

Champ didn't look that good either, for two "shutdown corners" they didn't do much shutting down!

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Shows how very important a pass rush is for a CB, in my opinion. And Denver lost Lynch early in the game, which really hurt them overall.

But I am not crying for them!

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;371224]Well there are at least 10 people on this site that want him benched.[/quote]

I wouldn't say I want him benched, but I want to see a lot more Ladell, or at the very least an acknowledgement from Redskin Park that trying to shove CP up the ass of an O-Line in tatters repeatedly is not going to win us any ballgames.

Since we're talking about Campbell here, let's talk about who he's throwing to. Anybody want to guess who the receiver with the second most drops in the NFL is this season? Hint: it's not someone who plays for the Broncos!

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Both guys are young and still getting their feet wet. What's the point of comparing them?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;371168]Cutler:

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int
6 6 120 181 66.3 1,406 7.8 7 8

Campbell:

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int

6 6 100 168 59.5 1,181 7.0 5 5

As you all can see Cutler is no better than Campbell, stats are pretty comparable. Both young QB's with same experience level.[/quote]Actually, those stats show Cutler to be A LOT better than Campbell is.

But if I was a betting man, I'd gamble that those numbers would be close at the end of the year. It's an excellent comparision, and I expect their careers to somewhat mirror each others.

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Cutler or Campbell? I'd take Cutler.

As a football coach? Give me either. I can win with them.

JC really needs to stop giving the ball away like candy. He has to feel the pressure coming and ideally avoid the sack, but at the very least pull the ball down. Pocket presence is not one of his finer details right now.

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I recently been a little critical of JC but it doesn't mean i want him to be benched. Let's be patient. For whatever reason our O is bad, and i don't know what to think of anyone. I'd like to see JC to start showing us he can win games for us. I haven't really seen that yet.

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Thankfully, Campbell's fumblitis hasn't cost us a game (yet), as 3 of his 4 FL's came in the New England game and we have to be honest with ourselves and know that he could have protected the ball all day long and we still would have lost handily the way the Pats were playing.

That said, with JC and CP, we have two of the top fumblers in the league right now. Add that to Santana's near-league-leading passes dropped stat and the fumble he lost that DID cost us a game, and it's easy to see why Campbell's numbers are lower than expected.

Beyond your O-Line, I think a QB's foundation are the triumvirate of his RB, TE, and WR1. If two of those positions are injured, playing the worst ball of their careers, dropping and/or coughing up the football, and underperforming in pretty much every way, it's hard to expect a QB to set the world on fire, at least a young QB like Campbell.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;371223]Haven't you been an ardent Campbell supporter? Not trying to call you out, just trying to clarify your position.[/QUOTE]

Yes I am because of his potential. I think he has all the tools to be a great QB.
But I will call a spade a spade, and he's not playing well. I have no doubt he'll come around, but 10 turnovers in 6 games is unreal. 14 starts or not, that has to stop, and it has to stop NOW.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;371224]Well there are at least 10 people on this site that want him benched.[/QUOTE]

WOW...I guess I haven't been paying enough attention then.

I retract my Portis statement then. Anyone that thinks we will be better off without Portis is smoking crack. If you watch the games, you'll notice the line is not helping very much, so unless we sign Barry Sanders, anyone would have an issue running the ball for us. Quite frankly I am surprised he's done as well as he has.

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[quote=GTripp0012;371399]Cutler or Campbell? I'd take Cutler.

As a football coach? Give me either. I can win with them.

JC really needs to stop giving the ball away like candy. He has to feel the pressure coming and ideally avoid the sack, but at the very least pull the ball down. Pocket presence is not one of his finer details right now.[/quote]

I think pocket presence is something you either have or you dont have. It's like some guys can just feel the rush w/out looking at it. JC does not have seem to have it. But he can keep drives alive w/his legs.

I wouldn't 100% blame him on the fumbles. Vrabel and Colvin just abused our line. But he does need to put two hands on the ball. This is very correctable.

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[quote=jsarno;371613]Yes I am because of his potential. I think he has all the tools to be a great QB.
But I will call a spade a spade, and he's not playing well. I have no doubt he'll come around, but 10 turnovers in 6 games is unreal. 14 starts or not, that has to stop, and it has to stop NOW.[/quote]

Some of the turnovers are not his fault.

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Stats never ever tell the whole story. I have watched 3 Denver games and Cutler makes alot of mistakes. He throws behind people, he throws into coverage, he throws off his back foot and then he makes a throw and you say, "did u just see that?"

He is just like JC. Up and down just like most young qb's making their way in the NFL. Everybody knew we were going to go through rough patches with a young QB so no need to complain cause he has 10 turnonvers. I would bet 5 of them were not his fault.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;371390]Both guys are young and still getting their feet wet. What's the point of comparing them?[/QUOTE]

To show that Campbell is not the only young QB having up and down moments, I'm trying to quiet the Campbell critics that forget that he doesn't even have a years experience.