Why dont the Redskins use audibles?
 

Does anyone know why we don't use audibles in our offense? It seems like you would want to be able to get out of a play if the defense comes out in a formation or package you weren't expecting.

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Coaching staff has no trust in Campbell yet.

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Unlike college FB, it's kinda hard to make a succesfull audible, and nearly impossible to do it consistantly.

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It's a shame that there aren't certain circumstance that Campbell can work a quick hot route change, or something like that. There have been several occasions where the defense has clearly brought the house, and a quick check could have given our offense a better chance...

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;375724]Unlike college FB, it's kinda hard to make a succesfull audible, and nearly impossible to do it consistantly.[/QUOTE]

I gotta disagree with this comment...EVERY good QB uses an audible. Peyton does on every play practically. Most teams will except for those that do not have faith in their QB's.

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Saunders' offense doesn't use them.

It has nothing to do with the coaches lacking confidence in Campbell.

[url=http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=110527&ran=150031]ARTICLE: NFL Preview: Al Saunders on the attack for Redskins (The Virginian-Pilot - HamptonRoads.com/PilotOnline.com)[/url]

[QUOTE]Where it gets tricky is that there are virtually no audibles: The quarterback and receivers must read the defense quickly and make pre-assigned adjustments.[/QUOTE]

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Correct--Saunders does not use them. This is one of the things making it harder for Campbell right now, IMO, especially with the hurt WRs. These reads have to be second nature for these guys--a free blitzer may be coming at you, and the WR and QB have to know where to go. That's chemistry, and it takes time to develop. And given our lack of offensive plays at times, it tough to get this going in a game.

Further, he can't audible out of a pass or run--at least not usually. I'd look to adding that to this offense, but I guess they've got enough troubles at present to work on.

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(BTW, didn't Gibbs offense use audibles? More fodder for the JG vs AS debate...)

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They can't even execute plays called...how in the hell can you expect them to audible and execute at the same time. You ask for too much.

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In Saunders offense you are to read the defense and pick the assigned options
Is this too hard for qb?

[QUOTE=saden1;375749]They can't even execute plays called...how in the hell can you expect them to audible and execute at the same time. You ask for too much.[/QUOTE]

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But if Campbell sees eight in the box against a run, can he audible to a pass? Why not?

Sometimes audibles are easier to execute--it depends on the D. In Saunders O, both QB and WR have to make the same read on the play--as we've seen, it can be done, and done well, but the skins have certainly not mastered it yet. Wonder if Gibbs' alterations of Saunders offense has made these options more difficult, by taking WRs off the field?

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[quote=jsarno;375728]I gotta disagree with this comment...EVERY good QB uses an audible. Peyton does on every play practically. Most teams will except for those that do not have faith in their QB's.[/quote]
You shoulda written "GOOD" in CAPS. This is JC, who is lingering around average.

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[QUOTE=Campbell17;375799]You shoulda written "GOOD" in CAPS. This is JC, who is lingering around average.[/QUOTE]

LOL...true.

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They don't want Campbell changing from a run to a pass on 1st and 2nd down. If they started down that road we would never run because the defense would always show 8. The sight adjustments that the offense has to make are plenty complicated, so its not that Campbell can't handle it. It's a philosophical approach that Saunders and Gibbs share. I suspect the sight adjustments also explain why Brandon Lloyd is so unpopular with the coaches. He hasn't ever learned them. Also, bear in mind that only some of what you see Peyton Manning doing is real He does it a lot, but some of that is for show.

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Not to sound like a Mr. Know it all but we ran this same system when I played. We used the passing tree 0-9 on 80% of our pass plays. You can change the play if you want to. They can use hand signals. If you can do it in HS then you should be able to do it at the pro level. Not having audibles in crazy.

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wow glad i clicked on this thread b/c it discusses something that is worth considering and i learned a few things. thanks for the informative posts guys, wish i could contribute but my depth of knowledge on al saunders and audibles was zero before reading this thread.

but i agree, audibles at the line of scrimmage can work well in the NFL, especialy in an offense that everyone is calling predictable but i think campbell needs more time in the NFL (only has 16 starts to date) before he can be trusted to properly and accurately read defenses and call audibles . . . of course audibles could be called from up stairs to campbells headset in his helmet but that may take too long and this offense doesnt need another thing to delay our play calling.

questions:
so campbell and our receivers have to make the same read for any adjustment/audible from the original playcall?
and they have to trust that they make the same read and are on the same page?

WOW that is alot of ESP going on there, for this too work it seems you would need the same receivers and quarterback for years so they can gel and get some serious chemistry going on . . . plus football intelligent and dedicated "students of the game" players

does rabach still handle the O line audibles/guys to pick up on run and pass plays? im guessing yes . . .

more threads should be like this, dissecting and discussing actual redskins football Xs and Os . .

go skins!

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We had an audible on that 7 and goal play in the Eagles game which Campbell stuck with the run instaed of using an audible to change it to a pass. So we do use them. How much I'm not sure.

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[quote=firstdown;378138]We had an audible on that 7 and goal play in the Eagles game which Campbell stuck with the run instaed of using an audible to change it to a pass. So we do use them. How much I'm not sure.[/quote]

Yeah I'm not sure if that qualifies as a true audible, or if they just give him 2 options in certain situations like that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;378140]Yeah I'm not sure if that qualifies as a true audible, or if they just give him 2 options in certain situations like that.[/quote]
Well if you go to the line and switch the called play then I think its an audible. Unlike Peyton he has 3 plays then calls the play after they go to the line which in this case it would not be an audible.

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[quote=firstdown;378146]Well if you go to the line and switch the called play then I think its an audible. Unlike Peyton he has 3 plays then calls the play after they go to the line which in this case it would not be an audible.[/quote]

Right, I didn't word that very well, what I wonder if he always has that option, or if he's only allowed to "audible" in certain situations.

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[quote=Mattyk72;378147]Right, I didn't word that very well, what I wonder if he always has that option, or if he's only allowed to "audible" in certain situations.[/quote]
I'm not sure. I thought that was a great question so I went and put that down as a question for Tony and maybe he can give us some insight.

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[QUOTE=NM Redskin;375721]Does anyone know why we don't use audibles in our offense? It seems like you would want to be able to get out of a play if the defense comes out in a formation or package you weren't expecting.[/QUOTE]

Because the plays that AS calls are perfect for any situation, regardless of defense. lol. Like a draw play on 3rd and Goal from the 7, you know.

In all seriousness, I assume that we'll start to see JC getting the leeway to audible as the staff grows more comfortable with him.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;378158]Because the plays that AS calls are perfect for any situation, regardless of defense. lol. Like a draw play on 3rd and Goal from the 7, you know.

In all seriousness, I assume that we'll start to see JC getting the leeway to audible as the staff grows more comfortable with him.[/quote]
That play you mention he was a audible he could use on that to change it to a pass which JC did not use.

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I heard that on the 3rd and 7 draw, Gibbs gave Campbell the freedom to audible to a pass, but with Philly showing blitz before the snap, Campbell stuck with the call. Philly dropped the linebackers, effectively killing any chance Portis had to score. That said, I like the fact that Campbell was at least given a chance to change the play. Allowing him to run the no huddle against Philly also demonstrates growing confidence that the coaches have in him.

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What's interesting, beyond the audible at the goal line, was the no-huddle where JC really had more control. Seems like Gibbs/Saunders and co are aware that giving JC more freedom is a good thing. It's like they've been reading our posts!

(They'll all be firing themselves real soon...;) )

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Yes, the 3rd down and 7 was an audible, either a draw or a pass. JC saw the coverage and called the run. So..i would think that would qualify.

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If that's the case then absolutely, that's on jc. No matter who calls it I never want to see another draw play. I know that sometimes they go for big gains but it seems like 99/100 times they just suck for us.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;378225]If that's the case then absolutely, that's on jc. No matter who calls it I never want to see another draw play. I know that sometimes they go for big gains but it seems like 99/100 times they just suck for us.[/quote]


Draw plays are always big hitters usually because the team is in a spread set, with the def retreating so the rb has some room to run. But a draw in a jumbo package makes absolutley no sense at all. The odds of him getting out of there through all of that traffic are not very good.

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[QUOTE=Stacks42;378233]Draw plays are always big hitters usually because the team is in a spread set, with the def retreating so the rb has some room to run. But a draw in a jumbo package makes absolutley no sense at all. The odds of him getting out of there through all of that traffic are not very good.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if I would say draw plays are "always big hitters." They are always abysmal for us, especially since we always call them at the worst possible time, i.e. 3rd and long. It almost never fools anyone and we end up punting. Every time it's 3rd and long I sit on my couch going, "don't run the draw, don't run the draw, don't run the draw, WHY ARE YOU RUNNING THE FUCKING DRAW?!?, DAMN IT, YOU RAN THE DRAW AND NOW WE HAVE TO PUNT."

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Only worse redskins play than a draw is a reverse. It's effective maybe 20% of the time.

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With a 700-page playbook, it's too much to ask of an offensive unit to recall all of those plays in case the QB audibles to one of them. So to keep everyone on the same page of that 700-page playbook, the calls come down from the booth - or in from the sidelines - or both - or ... ;)

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Or at least the skin's can just fake audibles to slightly throw the defense off and continue to run the same play.

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we dont call audibles... if shit looks bad we just take a timeout :/

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[quote=Meks;378799]we dont call audibles... if shit looks bad we just take a timeout :/[/quote]That's because Saunders/Gibbs often take so long to get the play in that the play clock us usually down to 5 or 6 when the team is set at the line of scrimmage - not enough time to audible out of a bad look.

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even when it isnt a play clock issue... thats no excuse we just dont audible... we dont even switch what side the run goes to if it looks bad... the game for us is too, OUT of the players hands it's ridiculous...

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If you go to playoffs then it's time to use Collins and let Campbell practice holding the ball to keep from fumbling and read defense to cut the interceptions and start him for 8 games next year again


=Campbell17;375724]Unlike college FB, it's kinda hard to make a succesfull audible, and nearly impossible to do it consistantly.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=rk3025;380980]If you go to playoffs then it's time to use Collins and let Campbell practice holding the ball to keep from fumbling and read defense to cut the interceptions and start him for 8 games next year again


[QUOTE=Campbell17;375724]Unlike college FB, it's kinda hard to make a succesfull audible, and nearly impossible to do it consistantly.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Did you just say start Collins in the playoffs?

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[quote=rk3025;380980]If you go to playoffs then it's time to use Collins and let Campbell practice holding the ball to keep from fumbling and read defense to cut the interceptions and start him for 8 games next year again
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Wait, WHAT!!?

Are you kidding, or serious, and either way what are you even attempting to communicate?

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Speaking of audibles, did anyone hear Joe Gibbs today on Redskins Radio?

Larry Michael questioned Jason Campbell about the one-handed catch to Santana Moss after the Dallas game, and JC said that the play was an audible. During his show today, Larry Michael mentioned this to Gibbs, and Gibbs said 'That was stupid of Jason. Jason needs to shut his trap.'

I couldn't believe I heard Gibbs say that, knowing how careful he is not to call out players to the media or in public.

I wish I had a link or something, but it was on the Bram Weinstein Show today when they speak with Gibbs.

EDIT: Ok, I Googled it, here's something from somebody's [url=http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/2007/11/november-20-jason-needs-to-shut-his.html]blog.[/url]

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[QUOTE=rk3025;380980]If you go to playoffs then it's time to use Collins and let Campbell practice holding the ball to keep from fumbling and read defense to cut the interceptions and start him for 8 games next year again


=Campbell17;375724]Unlike college FB, it's kinda hard to make a succesfull audible, and nearly impossible to do it consistantly.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

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