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Judging by alot of the negativity around here lately, I think people are forgetting we are still in this.

Division leaders:
Cowboys 8-1 (we WILL beat them)
Packers 8-1 (we SHOULD have beat them)
Bucs 5-4 (we WILL beat them)
Seahawks 5-4

In the hunt:
Giants 6-3 (we SHOULD have beat them and will beat them next time)
Lions 6-3 (we creamed them)
Redskins 5-4
(5 others at 4-5)

We beat the Cowboys next week, not only are we in this, we are front runners for wild card.
If any team knows that records are thrown out the window when these teams play, it's us. We've beat them when they went to the super bowl, and vice versa. We've beat them when they have had better teams, and vice versa. Throw out everything you know, this will be a Skins victory this week and we WILL make the playoffs.

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If we lose to the Cowboys what needs to happen? Do we need to win out?

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It's hard to get a clear idea of what the playoff picture will look like right now. But I don't think we need to win out if we lose to the Cowboys. I think we are going to have to end up with a record of 10-6 given our poor conference record. It's definitely a tall order, but we could go 5-2.

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Thanks for the post jsarno. I keep telling myself things should get better: Thomas will be back; Gibbs' teams usually fly in December; how long can the fucking Packers and Cowboys maintain their win streaks, etc. I just want to see us get a shot at the playoffs at this point.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;377627]It's hard to get a clear idea of what the playoff picture will look like right now. But I don't think we need to win out if we lose to the Cowboys. I think we are going to have to end up with a record of 10-6 given our poor conference record. It's definitely a tall order, but we could go 5-2.[/quote]It does depend on who happens to wind up at 9 or 10 wins with us at the end of the year, but we already hold head to head tiebreakers against two serious WC threats, and still play two more.

We don't have to be great down the stretch to make the playoffs. Merely good will get it done. With all the injuries, merely good is pretty much the extent of this teams talent though.

I'm willing to step out and guarantee that this team will make the playoffs, but to be honest, I've already sort of have one eye on the offseason. I hate to say it, but the 6th seed and an early playoff exit is not a very successful season.

I was too optimistic on Campbell this year, and I'll be the first to admit it. He's still very young, and very mistake prone. The defense was a pleasant surprise early, but what we've seen the past 3 weeks is more in line with what I thought we would be on that side of the ball. Too small in the front seven to stop the run, not quite an elite pass defense. Special teams has been pretty good, but the offensive line (especially the uninjured side) hasn't gotten it done this year. Lots of young talent on this team to love, but we need to make a few critical moves to get better.

If we beat Dallas, my whole attitude changes just like that, but until then, I'll have to be forgiven for looking ahead.

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We don't need to beat Dallas in Dallas to get a WC. We need to beat TB, Buf, and Chi, and then Minn, and either NY on the road or Dallas at home, IMO. Maybe we can even drop one of these, depending on how it goes around the league. I see 9 as pretty reachable (barring more sickening collapses!), and 10 as a possibility, especially if ST can come back, and THomas, perhaps as well.

TB is a MUCH bigger game than Dallas in Dallas. I hate them, but it's going to be very tough. Could happen. But we're not dead by any respect if it does. Big question whether 9, or even 10 in some scenarios, will get you in. But it could go the other way as well.

Take care of all business at home and win a tough road game or two. Dallas may be a bridge too far without Taylor, IMO. But Tampa Bay is not.

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A better thread title would perhaps be tied for 7th seed in the NFC, since that is what matters. I do think it's possible but it's going to be tough, especially with our battered roster. If we can move the ball as consistently as we did on Sunday I think we will have a good shot to win 4-5 games over the home stretch, but if we regress back to earlier form I think the days of our defense covering for us our pretty much over. We have seen mini-offensive explosions several times during the Gibbs 2.0 era and they have never seemed to carry over - the key exception being the epic run to close the 05 season. Let's hope Sunday was a revelation for the players and playcallers alike.

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[quote=SmootSmack;377622]If we lose to the Cowboys what needs to happen? Do we need to win out?[/quote]

Well, either the Lions or Giants will lose this week, since they play each other. :)



[quote=djnemo65;377655]A better thread title would perhaps be tied for 7th seed in the NFC, since that is what matters. [/quote]

Nice to see your cup is half empty. :pffff:

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look, I am all about the Skins making the playoffs, but lets get real people. We are 1-2 in our division, play Dallas twice and NY "football" Giants. Plus we are on the road in Tampa, Minnesota. I am sorry, but I dont think there is anyway in hell we beat the Cowboys. They are too damn good. there is something to say for being die hard fans, but at some point that becomes crazy when you talk about "when we beat the cowboys and giants and this and that" What gives anyone any reason to think we can beat any of those teams? We have not shown anything that gives an impression of being a quality team that can win big games. We fold at the end. Good teams dont fold.

I am sick of hearing the cowboys will start losing, and Green bay will start losing neither can keep up their win streaks.... THEY ARE GOOD TEAMS!! There is a difference there, they find ways to win, make plays when they have to. We find ways to lose and let other teams make the plays. Until we make a change philisophically, this is who we are. Dont you think if anything was going to change it would have all ready. Its been 4 years of the same crap.

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fanatic,

remember that it was a costly Santana Moss fumble that caused us to lose the GB game. They were not outplaying us by any means. The Giants game was a complete second half collapse, and we STILL should have one that game. For the past few years, our record against Dallas has been pretty darn good. Don't count us out yet. Didn't we lose 5 straight in '05? Didn't we then make it to the second round of the playoffs? Oh ye of little faith, we're gonna make some noise come this week, straight thru to December. Trust me, that ain't the Kool Aid talking.

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Detroit is slipping big time losing 3 in a row. Washington beats the G-men, and they own the tie breaker over Arizona (yeah they are still in the hunt). Carolina has big time QB issues and will not get the WC.

If Washington beats the Giants and takes care of business in the NFC, then they should be a front runner for the second wildcard. I just do not see anyone else in the NFC that can do it. The only teams you need to watch are New Orleans, Arizona and Detroit.

But lets say the Giants get the first WC, if Washington is tied with Arizona and Detroit after week 17, Washington wins the head-to-head. So the one you really need to watch is New Orleans. That is why Washington needs to circle the Dallas game at FedEx to end the season. IF (and I mean IF) Dallas secures the #1 seed in the NFC, then they will not play the starters in that game a FedEx and it might be a win you need to secure that second wildcard.

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Last week was such a golden opportunity to solidify ourselves in the playoff race. Oh well, time to move on I guess.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;377681]Detroit is slipping big time losing 3 in a row. Washington beats the G-men, and they own the tie breaker over Arizona (yeah they are still in the hunt). Carolina has big time QB issues and will not get the WC.

If Washington beats the Giants and takes care of business in the NFC, then they should be a front runner for the second wildcard. I just do not see anyone else in the NFC that can do it. The only teams you need to watch are New Orleans, Arizona and Detroit.

But lets say the Giants get the first WC, if Washington is tied with Arizona and Detroit after week 17, Washington wins the head-to-head. So the one you really need to watch is New Orleans. That is why Washington needs to circle the Dallas game at FedEx to end the season. IF (and I mean IF) Dallas secures the #1 seed in the NFC, then they will not play the starters in that game a FedEx and it might be a win you need to secure that second wildcard.[/QUOTE]

Would you want the team to rest the starters? Even if the Redskins were the #1 seed, I couldn't stomach losing to the Cowboys and allowing them to get into the playoffs.

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Having the 5th best record is great, but the play we have is not the 5th best in the NFC. We dropped to games that would have ESPN talking about us as a sleeper (GB, and Philly). We haven't been playing good, we've been playing good enough.
Sorry, I didn't mean to bring negatives to the thread. I'm happy with the winning record though. We need to keep winning. Bring on the Cow-girls.

Q: "You know what you call a drug ring in Dallas?"
A: "A huddle."

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Having the 5th best record means squadoosh. We need to have the 2nd best record amongst teams not leading their division. That puts us behind the Giants and Lions, with the Panthers Saints Bears Cards and Eagles all one game behind us.

We've got work to do, especially with so many injuries.

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[quote=Mattyk72;377684]Last week was such a golden opportunity to solidify ourselves in the playoff race. Oh well, time to move on I guess.[/quote]For what it's worth, the sabermetrics say that the Eagles played their best game of the season since the Detroit game. That's their best game in the last 7 weeks.

I'm sure our injuries contributed to that, but I think it's best if we just tip our cap to them on this one, and we'll see em next year.

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[quote=#56fanatic;377675]look, I am all about the Skins making the playoffs, but lets get real people. We are 1-2 in our division, play Dallas twice and NY "football" Giants. Plus we are on the road in Tampa, Minnesota. I am sorry, but I dont think there is anyway in hell we beat the Cowboys. They are too damn good. there is something to say for being die hard fans, but at some point that becomes crazy when you talk about "when we beat the cowboys and giants and this and that" What gives anyone any reason to think we can beat any of those teams? We have not shown anything that gives an impression of being a quality team that can win big games. We fold at the end. Good teams dont fold.

I am sick of hearing the cowboys will start losing, and Green bay will start losing neither can keep up their win streaks.... THEY ARE GOOD TEAMS!! There is a difference there, they find ways to win, make plays when they have to. We find ways to lose and let other teams make the plays. Until we make a change philisophically, this is who we are. Dont you think if anything was going to change it would have all ready. Its been 4 years of the same crap.[/quote]To say we don't have a chance. Well, its just Un-American.

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[quote=jsarno;377620]Judging by alot of the negativity around here lately, I think people are forgetting we are still in this.

Division leaders:
Cowboys 8-1 (we WILL beat them)
Packers 8-1 (we SHOULD have beat them)
Bucs 5-4 (we WILL beat them)
Seahawks 5-4

In the hunt:
Giants 6-3 (we SHOULD have beat them and will beat them next time)
Lions 6-3 (we creamed them)
Redskins 5-4
(5 others at 4-5)

We beat the Cowboys next week, not only are we in this, we are front runners for wild card.
If any team knows that records are thrown out the window when these teams play, it's us. We've beat them when they went to the super bowl, and vice versa. We've beat them when they have had better teams, and vice versa. Throw out everything you know, this will be a Skins victory this week and we WILL make the playoffs.[/quote]

So what makes you think we can go up to NY and beat The Giants when we can't beat The Eagles at home?

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[quote=GTripp0012;377644]It does depend on who happens to wind up at 9 or 10 wins with us at the end of the year, but we already hold head to head tiebreakers against two serious WC threats, and still play two more.

We don't have to be great down the stretch to make the playoffs. Merely good will get it done. With all the injuries, merely good is pretty much the extent of this teams talent though.

I'm willing to step out and guarantee that this team will make the playoffs, but to be honest, I've already sort of have one eye on the offseason. I hate to say it, but the 6th seed and an early playoff exit is not a very successful season.

I was too optimistic on Campbell this year, and I'll be the first to admit it. He's still very young, and very mistake prone. The defense was a pleasant surprise early, but what we've seen the past 3 weeks is more in line with what I thought we would be on that side of the ball. Too small in the front seven to stop the run, not quite an elite pass defense. Special teams has been pretty good, but the offensive line (especially the uninjured side) hasn't gotten it done this year. Lots of young talent on this team to love, but we need to make a few critical moves to get better.

If we beat Dallas, my whole attitude changes just like that, but until then, I'll have to be forgiven for looking ahead.[/quote]

Please explain why you think JC is very mistake prone? When I think of very mistake prone QB's I think of Rex Grossman. I think of Alex Smith and Joey Harrington. I think of Phillip Rivers to an extent. I have yet to see JC throw 3,4 and 5 ints in a game. I have yet to see him throw into double coverage alot.

Also we have 3 300+ lb guys on the d-line. I don't think size is an issue. We might need a talent upgrade at DE and maybe one of the tackles. Colts don't have size on their front 7. They just have good players.

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[quote=skinsfan69;377713]Please explain why you think JC is very mistake prone? When I think of very mistake prone QB's I think of Rex Grossman. I think of Alex Smith and Joey Harrington. I think of Phillip Rivers to an extent. I have yet to see JC throw 3,4 and 5 ints in a game. I have yet to see him throw into double coverage alot. [/quote]Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

He will improve as he gets older, but I was overly optimistic on him in the short term.

Sunday's game is what I think he will become in the long run. He's got a ways to go to make that a consistent performance.

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[quote=skinsfan69;377712]So what makes you think we can go up to NY and beat The Giants when we can't beat The Eagles at home?[/quote]The Giants [I]probably[/I] won't give us as good of a game as the Eagles just did.

No matter what you think of this Philadelphia team, it's hard to say we didn't get their best effort. The Giants aren't really that much better than the Eagles, they just had all their soft games frontloaded.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;377675]look, I am all about the Skins making the playoffs, but lets get real people. We are 1-2 in our division, play Dallas twice and NY "football" Giants. Plus we are on the road in Tampa, Minnesota. I am sorry, but I dont think there is anyway in hell we beat the Cowboys. They are too damn good. there is something to say for being die hard fans, but at some point that becomes crazy when you talk about "when we beat the cowboys and giants and this and that" What gives anyone any reason to think we can beat any of those teams? We have not shown anything that gives an impression of being a quality team that can win big games. We fold at the end. Good teams dont fold.

I am sick of hearing the cowboys will start losing, and Green bay will start losing neither can keep up their win streaks.... THEY ARE GOOD TEAMS!! There is a difference there, they find ways to win, make plays when they have to. We find ways to lose and let other teams make the plays. Until we make a change philisophically, this is who we are. Dont you think if anything was going to change it would have all ready. Its been 4 years of the same crap.[/QUOTE]

A realist.

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[quote=Ocliw;377718]A realist.[/quote]

One person's realist is another person's pessimist.

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[quote=skinsfan69;377712]So what makes you think we can go up to NY and beat The Giants when we can't beat The Eagles at home?[/quote]

The Eagles could have easily been thinking a similar thing last week, how can we go to DC and win when they beat us at home? Hey, shit happens. Each week is practically a new season in the NFL.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;377720]The Eagles could have easily been thinking a similar thing last week, how can we go to DC and win when they beat us at home? Hey, shit happens. Each week is practically a new season in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

Man your glass is always half full. :)

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[quote=Mattyk72;377720]The Eagles could have easily been thinking a similar thing last week, how can we go to DC and win when they beat us at home? Hey, shit happens. Each week is practically a new season in the NFL.[/quote]

Yep, that's why the saying should be you're only as good as your NEXT game.

The injuries are starting to really hurt. Chances are Dallas will beat us this weekend and we'll be 5-5. And I don't like our chances down the stretch with so many key guys hurt.

But then I remember that we were 5-6 in 2005 and we made the playoffs. So who the hell knows. That's probably why everyone on the board is so divided between total optimists and total pessimists this season. Fact is we're a middle of the road team that still could go either way. We still have some strengths we can lean on, and we've got our share of weaknesses that can be preyed upon. I've got no idea what will happen, but I've got plenty of hope!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;377727]Yep, that's why the saying should be you're only as good as your NEXT game.

The injuries are starting to really hurt. Chances are Dallas will beat us this weekend and we'll be 5-5. And I don't like our chances down the stretch with so many key guys hurt.

But then I remember that we were 5-6 in 2005 and we made the playoffs. So who the hell knows. That's probably why everyone on the board is so divided between total optimists and total pessimists this season. Fact is we're a middle of the road team that still could go either way. We still have some strengths we can lean on, and we've got our share of weaknesses that can be preyed upon. I've got no idea what will happen, but I've got plenty of hope![/QUOTE]

All optimists are closet pessimists. I've been a skin fan for 31 yrs. I get bashed on here and at work for not being a TRUE fan because I criticize this team. If I criticize the people that work for me does that mean I'm not a TRUE boss? If I criticize my children when they do wrong does that mean I'm not a TRUE dad?

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[quote=Mattyk72;377719]One person's realist is another person's pessimist.[/quote]


Pessimism?? I call it the truth. Too many burgandy & Gold shades around here. I love the Redskins, but seriously 4 years of the same shit. year in and year out. There is optomism, and I would be optomistic if there was something to be optomistic about regarding this season, there isn't. There hasn't been for the 4 years Coach Joe has been here. Same shit every year, pay ass loads of money to players and coaches and no one can get out of there own way. There is one thing I am optomistic about. Jason Campbell. I think he is going to be a good QB in this league. The fact is we have or had a window of opportunity with this roster to win. We brought in players to win now, not to rebuild and we just have not won. They will have to blow up this roster in the next year, meaning new players on both sides of the ball. Now, having Jason here may make up for those growing pains of new players, but again if Joe retires again then its new coaches and new schemes AGAIN. it is very frustrating to lose, its even more frustrating to lose every year becuase of the same shit that has plagued this team for years.

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[quote=#56fanatic;377734]Pessimism?? I call it the truth. Too many burgandy & Gold shades around here. I love the Redskins, but seriously 4 years of the same shit. year in and year out. There is optomism, and I would be optomistic if there was something to be optomistic about regarding this season, there isn't. There hasn't been for the 4 years Coach Joe has been here. Same shit every year, pay ass loads of money to players and coaches and no one can get out of there own way. There is one thing I am optomistic about. Jason Campbell. I think he is going to be a good QB in this league. The fact is we have or had a window of opportunity with this roster to win. We brought in players to win now, not to rebuild and we just have not won. They will have to blow up this roster in the next year, meaning new players on both sides of the ball. Now, having Jason here may make up for those growing pains of new players, but again if Joe retires again then its new coaches and new schemes AGAIN. it is very frustrating to lose, its even more frustrating to lose every year becuase of the same shit that has plagued this team for years.[/quote]

Hey, call it whatever you want, and I'll call it whatever I want.

I think you're getting a little crazy here talking about blowing up the team after this year. Sorry but that's not going to happen. Yes there will be some turnover and that's normal. But I don't see why the roster would be drastically overhauled.

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[quote=Ocliw;377732][B]All optimists are closet pessimists[/B]. I've been a skin fan for 31 yrs. I get bashed on here and at work for not being a TRUE fan because I criticize this team. If I criticize the people that work for me does that mean I'm not a TRUE boss? If I criticize my children when they do wrong does that mean I'm not a TRUE dad?[/quote]

Huh? Speak for yourself.

Of course it doesn't mean you're not a true fan. But part of being a good boss, Dad, whatever, is striking some balance and finding some middle ground now and then. The constant negativity from the so called realists is what gets tired.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;377675]look, I am all about the Skins making the playoffs, but lets get real people. We are 1-2 in our division, play Dallas twice and NY "football" Giants. Plus we are on the road in Tampa, Minnesota. I am sorry, but I dont think there is anyway in hell we beat the Cowboys. They are too damn good. there is something to say for being die hard fans, but at some point that becomes crazy when you talk about "when we beat the cowboys and giants and this and that" What gives anyone any reason to think we can beat any of those teams? We have not shown anything that gives an impression of being a quality team that can win big games. We fold at the end. Good teams dont fold.

I am sick of hearing the cowboys will start losing, and Green bay will start losing neither can keep up their win streaks.... THEY ARE GOOD TEAMS!! There is a difference there, they find ways to win, make plays when they have to. We find ways to lose and let other teams make the plays. Until we make a change philisophically, this is who we are. Dont you think if anything was going to change it would have all ready. Its been 4 years of the same crap.[/QUOTE]

A realist indeed. I heard this morning that the spread is 10 1/2. I'm surprised it's not more. We saw in the second half against the Eagles the vulnerability of a Taylor-less Redskins secondary, and in a few days we'll be playing against one of the best pass-happy teams in the league. The bottom line is that we only win this game if we score three touchdowns or more, because the Cowboys are going to get in the end zone multiple times, there's just no question about it. And it's not going to be easy for us matching those TDs, because, as we've seen the last two games and as we knew before, the ultimate strength of this team is a Portis-lead running game, and the Cowboys have the fifth best running defense in the league (they average giving up only 86 total running yards a game). So, while we can point to our general success against the Cowboys over the last two seasons, and maybe some intanglibles (like, for example, the ultimate desire of the burgandy and gold to beat the Cowboys), the fact is that we're playing a team this Sunday that has been playing extremely sound football the past nine weeks and is not nearly as injury-damaged as we are right now.

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Its extremely close to a must win this week in Dallas. We are also one week away from moving into a tie for last place in the NFC east. We are an average team & in today's parity ridden NFL alot of average teams wind up going to the playoffs.

Last doesn't cut it in the NFC east. It's a long way from over. I'm not counting us out. However, i don't want to hear we are in 5th place in the NFC. It doesn't make me feel better. Winning this week will make me feel alot better. Gotta do it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;377716]Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

He will improve as he gets older, but I was overly optimistic on him in the short term.

Sunday's game is what I think he will become in the long run. He's got a ways to go to make that a consistent performance.[/quote]

Gtripp, while the stats might be true, they might not tell the truth. What I mean is, how many of those fumbles and ints. were just flat out good defense or a fluke play as opposed to JC being careless in every situation? We can't quantify that, can we? Or lack of effort from a wide receiver, which we also can't quantify.

When you say the "league trend", understand that is more than likely a very top heavy statistic. For instance, you take three or four quarterbacks, Brady, Garcia, and Gerrard, all of whom have thrown a very low number of interceptions this year. In fact, Gerrard is the only starting NFL quarterback without an interception this year! So those guys alone, skew the stats when looking at the trend. And before Sunday's game, Peyton Manning was definitely in that category too. The majority of the QBs probably fall somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Also I can say with 100% certainty from watching JC, Grossman, and last night, Alex Smith, he's the least mistake prone of the three. He has more poise, and futhermore, he compensates for his errors in ways that stats really don't highlight.

Does he have a learning curve? No question about it. I think his decision making has been questionable at times, but again Peyton Manning threw, what, five or six picks the other night? Romo has a tendency to sling the ball into double coverage too.

I could go on and on, but I think this week's game against Dallas will prove yet again how much Campbell has matured and is maturing right before our eyes.

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[quote=GTripp0012;377716]Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

He will improve as he gets older, but I was overly optimistic on him in the short term.

Sunday's game is what I think he will become in the long run. He's got a ways to go to make that a consistent performance.[/quote]

So out of those 3% how many were actually his fault? I remember one hitting Moss right in his hands. I remember one where Lloyd didn't even try to go get the ball and so on. Also some of the fumbles were def not his fault too. So again, stats never ever tell the 100% truth yet you seem to live an die with them.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;377736]Huh? Speak for yourself.

Of course it doesn't mean you're not a true fan. But part of being a good boss, Dad, whatever, is striking some balance and finding some middle ground now and then. The constant negativity from the so called realists is what gets tired.[/QUOTE]

I am more than happy to give individual praise,Thrash,Portis,Cambell for example but it's very difficult to be shickled titless with the organization as a whole.

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[quote=12thMan;377744]Gtripp, while the stats might be true, they might not tell the truth. What I mean is, how many of those fumbles and ints. were just flat out good defense or a fluke play as opposed to JC being careless in every situation? We can't quantify that, can we? Or lack of effort from a wide receiver, which we also can't quantify.

When you say the "league trend", understand that is more than likely a very top heavy statistic. For instance, you take three or four quarterbacks, Brady, Garcia, and Gerrard, all of whom have thrown a very low number of interceptions this year. In fact, Gerrard is the only starting NFL quarterback without an interception this year! So those guys alone, skew the stats when looking at the trend. And before Sunday's game, Peyton Manning was definitely in that category too. The majority of the QBs probably fall somewhere in the middle of the pack.


Does he have a learning curve? No question about it. I think his decision making has been questionable at times, but again Peyton Manning threw, what, five or six picks the other night? Romo has a tendency to sling the ball into double coverage too.

I could go on and on, but I think this week's game against Dallas will prove yet again how much Campbell has matured and is maturing right before our eyes.[/quote]

SF really really blew it on Smith. Why they picked him #1 overall still amazes me. I remember when SF came here in 05 and we beat the crap out of them. I was at the game with great seats near the SF bench. I was watching Smith warm up and he just can't throw the ball with any type of consistency at all. I think I remember Ron Jaworski sayinng his hands are too small. What ever it is it's not working cause he can't play QB at the NFL level. JC is soooooo much better than Smith.

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I'm sorry but i dont see us beating dallas without Taylor. You see how bad our defense looked against the Eagles once Taylor came out, Mcnabb definately took advantage of that as soon as it happened. If we can't stop Reggie Brown without him then how the hell can we stop TO and Witten?
:Smoker:

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[quote=GTripp0012;377716]Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)[/quote]

For the record; after this week, Campbell's INT% is 2.7 which puts him at 12th in the league and better than the likes of Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Palmer, Schaub, Brees, and Derek Anderson.

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It is still early to predict the playoffs, but I will give you a view of what is going on right now in the NFC. To make it more clearly:

[B]The Redskins are in 7th place in the NFC, and they are not currently in a wildcard spot right now.[/B]

1) Dallas Cowboys - Record: 8-1 Division: 3-0
2) Greenbay Packers - Record: 8-1 Division: 2-1
3) Seattle Seahawks - Record: 5-4 Division: 3-1
4) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Record: 5-4 Division: 2-0
5) Detroit Lions - Record: 6-3 Division: 2-0
6) New York Giants - Record: 6-3 Division: 2-2
7) Washington Redskins - Record: 5-4 Division: 1-2
8) Arizona Cardinals - Record: 4-5 Division: 2-1
9) Carolina Panthers - Record: 4-5 Division: 2-2
10) New Orleans Saints - Record: 4-5 Division: 1-2


Those are the top 10 contenders in the Playoff Race. Only 6 teams make the playoffs (including wildcards). The Redskins are in 7th place because of their divisional game losses. If the Redskins want to remain a contender, they will need to win the remainder of their in division games including Dallas Cowboys this weekend.

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I made corrections.