Who's The Best Draft Pick In The Gibbs 2.0 Era
 

Of course we know that there is a lot of Gibbs bashing. But he has made some pretty good draft picks with the few he has had to form this team. He picked some good players but I have to go with the heart & soul of our defense Sean Taylor & we will see this Sunday how big of a loss he will be against Big D.

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Yup, definitely Sean Taylor.. But not only him, we got Rocky too.. Even LaRon.. I think only one high draft that did not really work out like we wanted it to, and it's Rogers.. However he has been stable this yr until his injury.. So

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;378152]Yup, definitely Sean Taylor.. But not only him, we got Rocky too.. Even LaRon.. I think only one high draft that did not really work out like we wanted it to, and it's Rogers.. However he has been stable this yr until his injury.. So[/QUOTE]

The only reason I didn't pick LaRon & Rocky is b/c LaRon is a rookie hasn't done it year after year like Taylor. The same with Rocky this is his first year as a starter is doing great but Sean has years under his belt has a playmaker.

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I'll give two - Taylor on defense and Campbell on offense. It scares me to think what Romo might do the the Skins secondary without Taylor taking away the deep ball.

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Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.

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[quote=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.[/quote]
So you could not just have picked someone and said why instead of finding a way to criticize the team?

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Jury's still out a bit on him, but I'd keep my eye on Anthony Montgomery. He's having what I'd consider to be a quality, but not dominant, season on the D-Line. Basically, a solid DT, disruptive to the run game, gets to the passer every once in a while, keeps bodies off Fletcher.

Even if he gets no better and plays like this for the next 10 years, I think he's a $5 million per-year player. That's pretty huge out of a 6th round pick.

Campbell and Taylor are bigger contributors and probably will be, but considering draft value, I'd say keep an eye on Monty.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;378171]Jury's still out a bit on him, but I'd keep my eye on Anthony Montgomery. He's having what I'd consider to be a quality, but not dominant, season on the D-Line. Basically, a solid DT, disruptive to the run game, gets to the passer every once in a while, keeps bodies off Fletcher.

Even if he gets no better and plays like this for the next 10 years, I think he's a $5 million per-year player. That's pretty huge out of a 6th round pick.

Campbell and Taylor are bigger contributors and probably will be, but considering draft value, I'd say keep an eye on Monty.[/QUOTE]

He just stole Kedric Golston job out the blue he has made a great contribute to this team too.

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[QUOTE=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the Redskins need to build more depth through mid round picks. However, to say that "anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the first round" is kind of overstating things, don't you think? How do you explain that every organization has 1st round busts? Do you think that no team has the slightest clue what college football is about? Come on now.

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[QUOTE=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.[/QUOTE]

Blades looked like the real deal in the preseason at least.

There sure are a lot of first round busts around the league though

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He's made some solid picks, but the one the stands out most because he plays offense and produces #'s, COOLEY. I think the others mentioned are also great but when you play offense TD's are you count.

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[quote=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.[/quote]Cooley was a 3rd rounder and McIntosh was a 2nd rounder. They're both solid. Unfortunately, Gibbs traded a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd, and the same for Duckett. I agree that you must hold onto those middle picks and draft well to provide solid, inexpensive depth.

As for 1st round picks, there are huge busts every year.

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[quote=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.[/quote]

I guess a lot of NFL execs don't watch college ball, because your take certainly doesn't take into account first round busts which there are always a few per each draft.

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Captain Chaos-#47 was the best pick in the Gibbs era.

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Cooley was a great pick, as was Taylor and Landry.

The jury is still out on Campbell just a bit, but he certainly looks like he is well on his way to being a quality pick.

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[quote=Mattyk72;378183]I guess a lot of NFL execs don't watch college ball, because your take certainly doesn't take into account first round busts which there are always a few per each draft.[/quote]It's usually pretty easy to diagnose the crappy prospects from the good prospects pre draft. It's MUCH harder to seperate the great players from the good players.

I don't give teams a free pass for reaching for crappy players. The Redskins have too good of a college personnel department to do that. The teams that draft busts are the same teams every year.

Now we can give the Saints a pass for taking Reggie Bush, who is looking to be a good offensive weapon, not one who would revolutionize the game. But I can't write the Lions a pass for taking players in 2002, 2003, and 2005 with college production that did not match up with their pre draft reputation. That was easy, and they f'ed it up.

The Redskins have a college personnel department which doesn't do that.

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I'll have to go w/ Cooley and Taylor...yes its a tie. Although JC has a great upside the jury is still out.

Golston and Montgomery seem to be real good late round picks. Rogers, Rocky, Laron were good draft picks. Laron may be up there w/ Taylor and Cooley soon.

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[quote=Schneed10;378171]Jury's still out a bit on him, but I'd keep my eye on Anthony Montgomery. He's having what I'd consider to be a quality, but not dominant, season on the D-Line. Basically, a solid DT, disruptive to the run game, gets to the passer every once in a while, keeps bodies off Fletcher.

Even if he gets no better and plays like this for the next 10 years, I think he's a $5 million per-year player. That's pretty huge out of a 6th round pick.

Campbell and Taylor are bigger contributors and probably will be, but considering draft value, I'd say keep an eye on Monty.[/quote]

He's definitely been the surprise of this season to me, with Rocky a close 2nd.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;378183]I guess a lot of NFL execs don't watch college ball, because your take certainly doesn't take into account first round busts which there are always a few per each draft.[/QUOTE]

I would say more first rounders end up good rather than busts. Some might exceed expectations a bit while others are not quite be all they were thought they would be, but full-on Heath Shuler type busts are really not that common. The draft is no sure thing but the 1st round is about as sure a thing as the draft can provide.

I guess my best would be Taylor since there really are not that many to choose from that have actually had a chance to make an impact.

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[QUOTE=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.[/QUOTE]

Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers [B] BUST[/B]
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears [B] BUST[/B]
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans [B] BUST[/B]
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings [B] BUST[/B]
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals [B] BUST[/B]
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions [B] BUST[/B]

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;378188]I'll have to go w/ Cooley and Taylor...yes its a tie. Although JC has a great upside the jury is still out.

Golston and Montgomery seem to be real good late round picks. Rogers, Rocky, Laron were good draft picks. Laron may be up there w/ Taylor and Cooley soon.[/QUOTE]

It's seems that Griffin is on his last leg the development of Golston & Montgomery was huge they are the future a DT unless they draft a beast like Glenn Dorsey.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;378200]Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers [B] BUST[/B]
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears [B] BUST[/B]
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans [B] BUST[/B]
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings [B] BUST[/B]
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals [B] BUST[/B]
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions [B] BUST[/B]

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call Pacman a bust persay he just can't get away his friends. But on the field I would pick Pacman if he wasn't carrying all this baggage with him.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;378200]Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers [B] BUST[/B]
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears [B] BUST[/B]
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans [B] BUST[/B]
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings [B] BUST[/B]
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals [B] BUST[/B]
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions [B] BUST[/B]

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.[/QUOTE]

There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.

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[QUOTE=irish;378209]There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.[/QUOTE]

The Bears were in the Super Bowl last year, Titans are 6-3 (I think), Lions are 6-3. None of them thanks to Benson, Jones, or Williams.

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[quote=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round,[/quote]

That might be one of the most grossly inaccurate statements I have seen on this site.

I agree that its easier to pick a 1st rounder than later selections but there is unquestionably more pressure and expectations associated with a 1st rd pick. So let's not oversimplify the drafting process.

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I gotta go with the flow and say Cooley and Taylor

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[QUOTE=irish;378209]There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;378219]The Bears were in the Super Bowl last year, Titans are 6-3 (I think), Lions are 6-3. None of them thanks to Benson, Jones, or Williams.[/QUOTE]

Ahhh, there you go again SS - confusing the issue with facts.

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In terms of actual performance to this point I think the winner is Taylor.

As my personal favorite not based on performance? Rock Cartwright
"Rock Cartwright - The New and Improved Ade Jimoh"

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I'd say Jason Campbell by a wide margin...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;378260]In terms of actual performance to this point I think the winner is Taylor.

As my personal favorite not based on performance? Rock Cartwright
"Rock Cartwright - The New and Improved Ade Jimoh"[/quote]Wasn't Rock a Spurrier pick?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;378200]Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers [B]BUST[/B]
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears [B]BUST[/B]
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans [B]BUST[/B]
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings [B]BUST[/B]
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals [B]BUST[/B]
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions [B]BUST[/B]

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.[/quote]

Alex Smith is looking like a bust. Think about this. The 49ers gave NE their 08 1st rounder and last years 4th rounder to NE (who then traded it for some guy named Randy Moss). NE has the 49ers 1st rounder (which will be a top 5 pick most likely) and their own (which they lost because of cheating). Now that's a deal that looks real bad right about now.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;378268]Wasn't Rock a Spurrier pick?[/QUOTE]

Dammit GTripp - You are only allowed to use facts when they agree with my world perspective.

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[quote=redsk1;378270]Alex Smith is looking like a bust. Think about this. The 49ers gave NE their 08 1st rounder and last years 4th rounder to NE (who then traded it for some guy named Randy Moss). NE has the 49ers 1st rounder (which will be a top 5 pick most likely) and their own (which they lost because of cheating). Now that's a deal that looks real bad right about now.[/quote]

Man, the rich getting richer. I wonder who in the world they'd take. Honestly, I could see them taking the top QB so that when Brady (finally) retires, they'll have someone waiting in the wings.

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Taylor hands down. Almost a no brainer. Landry is a rook and hasn't had the immediate impact as ST did his rookie year. Jury will be out on JC til the end of '08 in my mind. Someone in here compared his stat with Ramsey's after the same # of games played and they were pretty close, so can't say JC. Cooley would be #2 in the best pick Coach has made.

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cooley hands down... did anybody even know what the hback was before cooley hit the field here. Yea Taylor, Landry, and Campbell have been solid but there all first rounders. Cooley is captain chaos because gibbs drafted him and put him in position he is now to be one of the faces of the redskins...

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[quote=Mattyk72;378183]I guess a lot of NFL execs don't watch college ball, because your take certainly doesn't take into account first round busts which there are always a few per each draft.[/quote]
Ryan Leaf? Charles Rogers? Pacman Jones? etc.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;378184]Captain Chaos-#47 was the best pick in the Gibbs era.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. I actually agree with Irish said, that anyone can really make a good top 10 pick (which by the way, our last 3 top ten picks have all been in the secondary, which is kind of scary). Gettinng Cooley in the 3rd round, in my opinion is the best pick of Gibbs 2.0.

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[quote=SouperMeister;378182]Cooley was a 3rd rounder and McIntosh was a 2nd rounder. They're both solid. Unfortunately, Gibbs traded a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd, and the same for Duckett. I agree that you must hold onto those middle picks and draft well to provide solid, inexpensive depth.

As for 1st round picks, there are huge busts every year.[/quote]

We are talking about the best picks in relation to all conditions, not just the quality of the player, right? If so, Cooley and Campbell were the best picks. Cooley's a top NFL TE pulled from the 3rd round and Campbell was a huge gamble that looks like its paying off. The other picks were essentially no-brainers.

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Cooley looks to have been a great trade up, even though we gave up a lot to get him. I am inclined to agree with Schneed on Montgomery though. The best teams are able to find legit starters on the second day of the draft and we found two pretty solid DLmen that year in I believe the fifth and sixth.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;378285]Man, the rich getting richer. I wonder who in the world they'd take. Honestly, I could see them taking the top QB so that when Brady (finally) retires, they'll have someone waiting in the wings.[/quote]

Brady is only 30 though. And with how clean his uniform is at the end of every game, he might as well wear friggin tuxedo to work. He could play at a high level for at least another 6 or 7 years at this rate. If they're smart they think LB in the draft. Vrabel, Seau, and Bruschi aren't gonna be around much longer.