Marcus Spears Comments on Jason Campbell
 

Here's some bulletin board material. Cowboys DE Marcus Spears apparently isn't sold on JC. From John Clayton's Blog:

[B]Spears rips Campbell:[/B] Cowboys defensive end [B]Marcus Spears[/B] made an interesting comment about Redskins quarterback [B]Jason Campbell[/B]. He talked to reporters about the Redskins running philosophy, and he said the reason Washington runs the ball so much is because the team doesn't have enough confidence in Campbell to let him win the game. That probably won't go over well in the Redskins' locker room but it's probably true. Campbell has done well as a starter. He's put the team into playoff contention with consistently good play. But he's not like [B]Tom Brady[/B] or [B]Peyton Manning[/B] where he can carry the team on his shoulders. In his first full season as a starter, it's probably too much to ask of him.

Link: [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3110843&name=clayton_john"]ESPN.com - Blogs - John Clayton Blog[/URL]

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Marcus Spears...he's been productive...

I really don't see anything remotely offensive in what he said so...not really any bulletin board material.

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I think that's kind of stretching it to say he's ripping him.

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i think hes just stating the obvious, however in washington that may be new news...

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[quote=SmootSmack;378430]I think that's kind of stretching it to say he's ripping him.[/quote]

Yeah, rips was probably not the right word. But regardless, there's a Cowboy running his mouth about our QB. We play Dallas Sunday. It only happens twice a year. I'm fired up, and I hope the fact that any Dallas player making comments to the media about our QB and our confidence level in him fires our guys up that much more.

SS, can you change "rips" to "comments on?"

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Is it that they don't have confidence in Jason Campbell, or is it that they scared of an interception more than any coaching staff in the league?

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[quote=Beemnseven;378434]Is it that they don't have confidence in Jason Campbell, or is it that they scared of an interception more than any coaching staff in the league?[/quote]

It's that Gibbs is scared to death of interceptions, not of Campbell in particular. It's why Brunell was allowed to play and Ramsey was given away.

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I personally think that the offense never will find a rythem because of that very thing, Gibbs puts so much on not turning the ball over no one wants to take any kind of chance downfield, he just grinds this offense to a hault with his conservative approach, you just can't play that way, "the bird afraid of walking never learns to fly", the problem is he just will not change.

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I can't find anything to get worked up about there. I'd be surprised if anyone cared at Redskin Park.

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I think we pretty much put the ball in his hands and even gave him more control (no-huddle) last weekend.

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I think Spears is more ripping Gibbs than anything

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;378458]I think Spears is more ripping Gibbs than anything[/quote]


Agreed. unfortunatly I think Gibbs traded in his bulletin board for a suggestion box this week.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;378458]I think Spears is more ripping Gibbs than anything[/quote]

Concur with that!

Sounds to me like Spears has respect for JC's skills and abilities, but right now their isn't enough confidence in him from the coaching staff to allow JC to show those abilities.

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All true... we shouldn't be offended at all.

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I hope Gibbs gets offended and start throw the ball against them.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;378487]Concur with that!

Sounds to me like Spears has respect for JC's skills and abilities, but right now their isn't enough confidence in him from the coaching staff to allow JC to show those abilities.[/quote]The coaching staff better start buying into Campbell making plays for them this week, because the Skins don't have a chance in hell of keeping up with the Cowboys offensive juggernaut with a conservative approach. I'm not saying that we should throw 50 passes, but I'd like to see a 50-50 run/pass mix on first down plays to keep the Dallas D off balance.

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Wow a Dallas player makes thes types of comments about the skins and people just agree with them. What happened to I hope the team see's this and stuff like that. This rivalry has really died. I hope our players are not thinking like people on this site.

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[quote=firstdown;378586]Wow a Dallas player makes thes types of comments about the skins and people just agree with them. What happened to I hope the team see's this and stuff like that. This rivalry has really died. I hope our players are not thinking like people on this site.[/quote]

Sadly our fan base appears to not have much fight in them. Hopefully the players still do.

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[quote=Mattyk72;378599]Sadly our fan base appears to not have much fight in them. Hopefully the players still do.[/quote]

I think alot of fans are just tired of the BS. Tired of losing games that should not be lost. We have made the playoffs twice in 14 years. None the less I'll be watching on Sun.

But I didn't have a problem with what Spears said. Outside of last week I think his comments were pretty accurate. And when it mattered most they took the ball out of JC's hands last week. If we need these types of comments to get fired up then god help us.

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[quote=Mattyk72;378599]Sadly our fan base appears to not have much fight in them. Hopefully the players still do.[/quote]

Given the state of things, it's hard to get really fired up, especially with 4 of our next 6 on the road. I think for me, the injuries are particularly deflating. It makes you feel so helpless. If you're full tilt and still losing games, that's one thing. But to lose these close games in the 2nd half and then mix that with all the guys getting hurt, it's a real downer. It's rearing it's ugly head on this site this week obviously.

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[quote=GMScud;378425]Here's some bulletin board material. Cowboys DE Marcus Spears apparently isn't sold on JC. From John Clayton's Blog:

[B]Spears rips Campbell:[/B] Cowboys defensive end [B]Marcus Spears[/B] made an interesting comment about Redskins quarterback [B]Jason Campbell[/B]. He talked to reporters about the Redskins running philosophy, and he said the reason Washington runs the ball so much is because the team doesn't have enough confidence in Campbell to let him win the game. That probably won't go over well in the Redskins' locker room but it's probably true. Campbell has done well as a starter. He's put the team into playoff contention with consistently good play. But he's not like [B]Tom Brady[/B] or [B]Peyton Manning[/B] where he can carry the team on his shoulders. In his first full season as a starter, it's probably too much to ask of him.

Link: [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3110843&name=clayton_john"]ESPN.com - Blogs - John Clayton Blog[/URL][/quote]

Tony Romo is also in his first full season as a starter, but they let him throw the ball around and try to win games for his team...the worst part about it is everyone respect Campbells long ball and says its his best attribute. So if the QB isnt doing what he does best...how do you not blame the coaching...

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Jason Campbell has a mediocre set of WRs to throw at. That's part of the reason he hasn't had the opportunity to put the team on his back and try to engineer a huge comeback by throwing on every down. That's also the reason the play calling does not go downfield more than once or twice a half.

It takes a special caliber of QB to put up huge numbers and lots of TDs with mediocre receivers. Campbell may be that caliber of QB one of these days but in 2007 he is not.

Before anyone tells me about how great these WRs were or have the potential to be, allow me to remind everyone that the number of TD catches by S. Moss PLUS A. Randle El PLUS B. Lloyd for 2007 equals ZERO. Even the no-account Jets and Dolphins have WRs who have caught TDs this year.

Jason Campbell is evolving as an NFL QB; he's better now than he was last year and better than he was in the early games this year. He'll be just fine. He'll be even better even sooner if he gets to play with a better corps of WRs, but that's not under his control...

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[quote=skinsfan69;378606]I think alot of fans are just tired of the BS. Tired of losing games that should not be lost. We have made the playoffs twice in 14 years. None the less I'll be watching on Sun.

But I didn't have a problem with what Spears said. Outside of last week I think his comments were pretty accurate. And when it mattered most they took the ball out of JC's hands last week. If we need these types of comments to get fired up then god help us.[/quote]
Well if its that bad find a new team.

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[quote=firstdown;378660]Well if its that bad find a new team.[/quote]

Lol ok.

Why has been blindly supporting your team, overriding being logical and rational? Yea great a Dallas play said that. Did he really ever attack JC? I dont even see where he attacked Gibbs. And honestly speaking JC isn't Brady or Manning, it's a simple fact. I think people who can't see the truth about their players are pretty bad/not too bright fans. This doesn't mean I think Campbell is bad, or won't be better than Brady, but I am not going to lie to myself.

Perhaps JC will get a bit fired up, but he is a pretty calm and collected guy. I think he realizes he isn't Manning either.

And please don't give me the whole, "back in the day we always hated Dallas no matter what...." kinda answers. I suppose you all walked 10 miles back and forth from school, uphill both ways as well. If fans truly were like that, than thank God for progression, because I do not want to be a part of a stupid fanbase. I am not saying you are stupid first, I think it's silly to get all riled up for facts being stated.

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[quote=firstdown;378660]Well if its that bad find a new team.[/quote]


the classic reply to a critical fan....

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I don't think you can be a passing team when your QB fumbles every other time he gets sacked. So to those who think throwing the ball 50 times a game is the answer, I say, be careful what you wish for. The day may or may not come when Campbell can carry the team, but it definitely hasn't come yet. In regards to Spears comments, I would say that this is the most interesting thing I've heard a Cowboy say in years.

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Its not that people are critical but the ones who cannot find one good thing to say from Snyder down to water boy I just cannot figure out why even cheer for the team. Thats what I just do not get.
Chrisl4064 you may have issues with whats going on but its not in every post you make they are the ones I was talking about. If you do not like one single thing that is done then what is there to cheer for or like in that team.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;378673]Its not that people are critical but the ones who cannot find one good thing to say from Snyder down to water boy I just cannot figure out why even cheer for the team. Thats what I just do not get.
Chrisl4064 you may have issues with whats going on but its not in every post you make they are the ones I was talking about. If you do not like one single thing that is done then what is there to cheer for or like in that team.[/QUOTE]

They are hopefully cheering for change, some people don't like smoke being blown up their a**, and that is pretty much what Gibbs has been doing since his return, you can only cry wolf so often before people turn a deaf ear to you. If Gibbs wants people to take him seriously he needs to show progress, and he doesn't.

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[quote=firstdown;378673]Its not that people are critical but the ones who cannot find one good thing to say from Snyder down to water boy I just cannot figure out why even cheer for the team. Thats what I just do not get.
Chrisl4064 you may have issues with whats going on but its not in every post you make they are the ones I was talking about. If you do not like one single thing that is done then what is there to cheer for or like in that team.[/quote]

I see where you are coming from. I understand your frustration, but I think that most "Critical fans" just love the Skins so much and when we don't do well it hurts alot and makes them sad. So they express those feelings via anger. Also I think those fans realize their team has potential, and that is why they are critical.

I mean be honest, if we had no talent and a bad coaching staff I would not care as much. But I think we have both, therefore I expect success. But even in our worst season, I watch every single game, and I love them all. It is my passion, and you have realize I don't remember anything from Gibbs first tenure because I was too young. I have seen pretty much all losing seasons, but I watch every game. So telling fans to find another team really isn't the right suggestion. We should all try to understand what makes people fans, even though the tough times.

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;378631]Tony Romo is also in his first full season as a starter, but they let him throw the ball around and try to win games for his team...the worst part about it is everyone respect Campbells long ball and says its his best attribute. So if the QB isnt doing what he does best...how do you not blame the coaching...[/quote]

Totally different set of circumstances. Romo has been in the system and with Dallas for 5 years. Although it is his first full year as a starter, he did have a rather large head start in development compared to JC.

JC was more of "trial by fire" when you compare his development to that of Romo.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;378644]Jason Campbell has a mediocre set of WRs to throw at. That's part of the reason he hasn't had the opportunity to put the team on his back and try to engineer a huge comeback by throwing on every down. That's also the reason the play calling does not go downfield more than once or twice a half.

It takes a special caliber of QB to put up huge numbers and lots of TDs with mediocre receivers. Campbell may be that caliber of QB one of these days but in 2007 he is not.

Before anyone tells me about how great these WRs were or have the potential to be, allow me to remind everyone that the number of TD catches by S. Moss PLUS A. Randle El PLUS B. Lloyd for 2007 equals ZERO. Even the no-account Jets and Dolphins have WRs who have caught TDs this year.

Jason Campbell is evolving as an NFL QB; he's better now than he was last year and better than he was in the early games this year. He'll be just fine. He'll be even better even sooner if he gets to play with a better corps of WRs, but that's not under his control...[/QUOTE]

Mediocre? Come on SC, the receivers are tired of running routes knowing the ball ain't coming their way, why should Moss fight through injuries to get on the field when he's lucky to see 3 passes coming his way, how many balls do we throw deep? Not many, yet every time we do I see one of our WR's open only to be over thrown by Campbell. 0 TD catches doesn't ring a bell that it's the coaching? The worst WR's in the league still get the occasional TD. we have proven game breakers and they can't sniff the end zone. Sorry but trying to blame the WR's on this is just another attempt to deflect blame away from Gibbs, I will even cut Campbell some slack on this one because I think he's just as much affected by Gibbs holding him back as anyone, he needs freedom to get comfortable, he needs to be allowed to consistently throw deep, it's tough to be good at something and get your timing down in game situations if you are never allowed to actually do it, and Gibbs thinks the world is going to end if Campbell throws deep more than twice a game! The way Campbell is progressing under Gibbs he will be ready to win a SB at the age of 50, Campbells progression is going to parallel the teams which is he will stay where he's at until Gibbs either changes or leaves, this team is no better than when he took over 4 years ago, and Campbell wont be either if Gibbs doesn't cut loose the reigns.

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LOL blame Gibbs at any cost. Typical.

I think SC has a valid point regarding the WRs. Moss and Randle El have both been dinged up which has hurt their effectiveness. The fact that Thrash stepped in and had perhaps the best day our WRs have had all year is pretty startling and says something about Moss and ARE. Don't get me wrong on ARE, he's had a decent season and has come close to breaking the goal line a few times, but Moss has been a huge disappointment.

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What's Dallas week without a little trash talking? Goes back to the Landry and Allen era.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;378689]Totally different set of circumstances. Romo has been in the system and with Dallas for 5 years. Although it is his first full year as a starter, he did have a rather large head start in development compared to JC.

JC was more of "trial by fire" when you compare his development to that of Romo.[/QUOTE]

Still he has a brand new coaching staff, new system, and he's even better, Campbell was in no way thrown into the fire, he had a year and a half to learn on the bench, sorry but 3 years for a QB is more than enough time, the NFL career is very short, the 5 year plan is unacceptable when you give up as much as we did to draft Campbell, remember Romo was a low draft pick and didn't cost much, you were afforded that luxury to sit him and rightly so. The fact is Romo spent 4 years in a different system and didn't miss a beat when the system changed when Phillips arrived.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;378695]LOL blame Gibbs at any cost. Typical.

I think SC has a valid point regarding the WRs. Moss and Randle El have both been dinged up which has hurt their effectiveness. The fact that Thrash stepped in and had perhaps the best day our WRs have had all year is pretty startling and says something about Moss and ARE. Don't get me wrong on ARE, he's had a decent season and has come close to breaking the goal line a few times, but Moss has been a huge disappointment.[/QUOTE]

I really think Moss is just tired of the same stagnant offense, football is a tough sport it's very hard to get up for if you are not rewarded, a guy like Moss is a home run hitter and Gibbs has him bunting, yes he does have to stay healthy, but I don't think he's in a big hurry either.

ARE has really impressed me with his over all receiving skills, but to put
Thrash ahead of either because he caught a couple of short TD passes?

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Im not going to win a popularity contest around here thats for sure. It really isnt blasphemy to criticize Gibbs tho. To me and many others its painfully obvious. Watching the games should be proof enough. To be unhappy with the outcome of games and the way they are being coached doesnt mean you arent a fan. When san fran lost monday night I could give a shit less. Never gave it another thought because Im not a fan of that team. Ive felt like shit since the last skins loss. That makes me and everyone else that still feels sick a FAN.

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[quote=offiss;378701]Still he has a brand new coaching staff, new system, and he's even better, Campbell was in no way thrown into the fire, he had a year and a half to learn on the bench, sorry but 3 years for a QB is more than enough time, the NFL career is very short, the 5 year plan is unacceptable when you give up as much as we did to draft Campbell, remember Romo was a low draft pick and didn't cost much, you were afforded that luxury to sit him and rightly so. The fact is Romo spent 4 years in a different system and didn't miss a beat when the system changed when Phillips arrived.[/quote]

Not buying "new system" with respect to Romo, Tony Sparano has been his offensive coach for years and it is still his system that he and Sean Peyton brought to Dallas. The system has not changed. I know most hear about Jason Garret, but Sparano is just as good, and he helps Garrett more than you hear about.

And Romo was never drafted. Yeah, he was an undrafted free agent.

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This is a case like it your little brother and you can say whatever to your little brother but as soon as a Cowpunk says something about Campbell oh it's on!!!

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;378715]Not buying "new system" with respect to Romo, Tony Sparano has been his offensive coach for years and it is still his system that he and Sean Peyton brought to Dallas. The system has not changed. I know most hear about Jason Garret, but Sparano is just as good, and he helps Garrett more than you hear about.

And Romo was never drafted. Yeah, he was an undrafted free agent.[/QUOTE]

I am going off of TO's comments when he said that the Boy's are doing things differently on offense this year compared to last season.

Undrafted? I guess that's as low as you can go. lol

It's still nice to know that an undrafted QB is head and shoulders better than our #1 pick. Just wonderful.:frusty:

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[quote=offiss;378707]I really think Moss is just tired of the same stagnant offense, football is a tough sport it's very hard to get up for if you are not rewarded, a guy like Moss is a home run hitter and Gibbs has him bunting, yes he does have to stay healthy, but I don't think he's in a big hurry either.

[B] ARE has really impressed me with his over all receiving skills, but to put
Thrash ahead of either because he caught a couple of short TD passes?[/B][/quote]

I said he had perhaps the best day that all the WRs have had all year. It wasn't just the short TD passes it was some of the other balls he caught down the field that were impressive and really set the tone for the passing game. I believe he had two 31 yard receptions.