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Ok... I don't have anymore updates on the investigation but looking around the board this morning I see a couple of new threads dedicated to this or that that could be construed as having ties to the investigation. I thought this thread might be a good place to consolidate any info pertaining to the investigation of Sean's murder.

I know this only happened a few short days ago and I want to be careful how I word this but... Personally, my grief has changed, from "I can't believe he's gone" to "let's get these motherfuckers who did this."

Every update that I have read on the investigation so far seems to show that the cops are pushing the idea that this was a random event. I don't see how they have come to that conclusion. What worries me is this will be in the news until the funeral and then gradually lose steam in the week following. Without the pressure of national attention, the police may simply start to write it off as a failed burglary or whatever. To me, that is just a nice way of saying, "We don't have a clue and it's just easiest to say it was random, therefore there isn't much to investigate."

I want to see the person responsible for this brought to justice. I want answers for his family. Anybody who has any updates on what's going on down in Miami, please post them here.

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I want the person caught and this may seem strange to some but I have forgiven the killer in my heart. Yes, I want justice but I pray for the soul of the killer. That he repents for what he has done and turns himself in to accept punishment for his actions.

Lord,, convict the killer in his own heart so that he repents and turns himself[s] in.

Good thread
mike

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While we certainly don't have enough facts yet, I personally don't see how it was random either...I find it curious that:

1) a knife left on the bed 8 days earlier. (was anything stolen?)
2) a life long good friend is saying people back home had it out for him (for 3 years), which is not hard to imagine (jealousy).

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;385544]While we certainly don't have enough facts yet, I personally don't see how it was random either...I find it curious that:

1) a knife left on the bed 8 days earlier. (was anything stolen?)
[B] 2) a life long good friend is saying people back home had it out for him (for 3 years), which is not hard to imagine (jealousy)[/B].[/quote]

And not only jealousy, I think someone said that he stopped hanging out with his old crew. Sometimes with those type of cliques its a lifetime membership, and when you ditch them, they come after you.

I agree that it sounds like they've got nothing, and it seems Sharpenstein (sp?) thinks there is more to it too. Hopefully he'll do everything he can to make sure they at least exhaust every lead.

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As SBF said, however, I have forgiven the killer already. I pity him, and I have faith that he will come to justice in this life or the next. I know it is a bit soon, but hate breeding in your soul is never a healthy thing, however warranted it may be. I refuse to carry the burden of another mans sin in my heart. I would rather focus my energy on commemorating our beloved fallen hero, and moving on. As sad as it may seem, that is the next step. So I forgive, but Ill never forget.

P.S. I do hope they find him, I just can't bank my emotions on that, it isnt a healthy thing for me. Not to say others can't or shouldn't, just my own personal beliefs

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You guys are better people than I am. I mean that. I'm a firm believer in eye for an eye.

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This is a post on extreme skins (not my own). The only thing that doenst make sense to me, is that the bedroom door was supposedly kicked down. Midnight robbers dont kick down doors, they tiptoe around a house and make as little noise as possible. However, I read somewhere else that the actual shooting took place in the hallway outside the bedroom. If this is true then maybe it was just somebody trying to get into his safe. Perhaps, they tried to use a kitchen knife on the safe the first time round and accidentally forgot it on the bed?

"I dont think this was a hit anymore. Think about it.
1. If it was a hit, dont you think that the shots would have been to his body or head?
2. If this was purposeful, why would the assilant leave a witness to the shooting. he has alreay proven he has no repect for life, so why not kill the rest of the family?
3. If this was a hit, why did they not stick around to make sure the victim was finished?

Here is what I think went down...

The week prior, these same theives broke into Seans home looking for loot. Seeing there was nothing of value out in the open, they naturally went for the safe. Safe was locked and they could not get inot it. They leave the premesis.
One week later, they come back with the correct tools to finishe the job. Assuming noone is home again (remember... Sean was not supposed to be there. He decided last minute to get a second opinion on his knee from his personal doctor the same day) they broke into the home again. This time, they knew where the safe was and headed straight for it. But instead of finding an empty bedroom, they ran into a crazed man with a machete, trying to defend his family. They shoot blindly (due to the shock) and get one in his leg/groin and flee the scene.

A true unfortunate set of events. I feel sorry the family, but I dont htink Sean had many enemies that were out to kill him.

Thats my take anyway. I could be wrong. Either way, Sean will me missed."

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Re: the shot in the leg meaning this wasn't a hit... I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know how many of us here are active shooters. I own Berretta PX4 Storm .45 and I shoot just about every weekend. There is a lot of play in handgun accuracy. Depending upon how far away the assailant was when they shot and their ability, it's very conceivable that they were simply aiming for center of mass. One thing is for certain- They were not "aiming" for his femoral artery. When you add that to the fact that alot of people learn to shoot from what they see in John Woo movies, you get the idea that they most likely weren't aiming for the groin, leg area. The fact that they missed with the other shot says they were most likely not point blank range.

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[QUOTE=ingibbswetrust;385567]

Here is what I think went down...

The week prior, these same theives broke into Seans home looking for loot. Seeing there was nothing of value out in the open, they naturally went for the safe. Safe was locked and they could not get inot it. They leave the premesis.
One week later, they come back with the correct tools to finishe the job. Assuming noone is home again (remember... Sean was not supposed to be there. He decided last minute to get a second opinion on his knee from his personal doctor the same day) they broke into the home again. This time, they knew where the safe was and headed straight for it. But instead of finding an empty bedroom, they ran into a crazed man with a machete, trying to defend his family. They shoot blindly (due to the shock) and get one in his leg/groin and flee the scene.

A true unfortunate set of events. I feel sorry the family, but I dont htink Sean had many enemies that were out to kill him.
[/QUOTE]

That is exactly how I think it happened, too.

It could also have been that they did know Sean was there and their plan was to coerce him into opening the safe (gun to head, etc). When he came at them w/ the knife, they shot, got scared, and abandoned the plan.

Who knows, though. We won't for a while (if ever), and I feel bad for even postulating about it at this time.

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I just hope he cut one of the bastards in the struggle (if there even was one).

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[quote=ingibbswetrust;385567]This is a post on extreme skins (not my own). The only thing that doenst make sense to me, is that the bedroom door was supposedly kicked down. Midnight robbers dont kick down doors, they tiptoe around a house and make as little noise as possible. However, I read somewhere else that the actual shooting took place in the hallway outside the bedroom. If this is true then maybe it was just somebody trying to get into his safe. Perhaps, they tried to use a kitchen knife on the safe the first time round and accidentally forgot it on the bed?

"I dont think this was a hit anymore. Think about it.
1. If it was a hit, dont you think that the shots would have been to his body or head?
2. If this was purposeful, why would the assilant leave a witness to the shooting. he has alreay proven he has no repect for life, so why not kill the rest of the family?
3. If this was a hit, why did they not stick around to make sure the victim was finished?

Here is what I think went down...

The week prior, these same theives broke into Seans home looking for loot. Seeing there was nothing of value out in the open, they naturally went for the safe. Safe was locked and they could not get inot it. They leave the premesis.
One week later, they come back with the correct tools to finishe the job. Assuming noone is home again (remember... Sean was not supposed to be there. He decided last minute to get a second opinion on his knee from his personal doctor the same day) they broke into the home again. This time, they knew where the safe was and headed straight for it. But instead of finding an empty bedroom, they ran into a crazed man with a machete, trying to defend his family. They shoot blindly (due to the shock) and get one in his leg/groin and flee the scene.

A true unfortunate set of events. I feel sorry the family, but I dont htink Sean had many enemies that were out to kill him.

Thats my take anyway. I could be wrong. Either way, Sean will me missed."[/quote]

I never thought of it that way. You could be right. But I always come back to the ATV ordeal. His SUV was shot up with 10-15 bullets? Whoever did that wanted ST dead. And I think they came back two years later to finish the job.

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I think it will play out that this was not a random act and those that shot ST had some kind of history with him. 15 bullets in an SUV is a definite message. I'm not sure they really wanted to kill St but they did want to send a message and hurt him bad so I'm not surprised that when they saw ST had been shot (and the gushing blood likely told them he was hurt really bad) they left. As for his GF being a witness if the shooters were in the hall outside the bedroom then I suspect she didnt see much as she was likely covering the little girl.

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[quote=ingibbswetrust;385567]This is a post on extreme skins (not my own). The only thing that doenst make sense to me, is that the bedroom door was supposedly kicked down. Midnight robbers dont kick down doors, they tiptoe around a house and make as little noise as possible. However, I read somewhere else that the actual shooting took place in the hallway outside the bedroom. If this is true then maybe it was just somebody trying to get into his safe. Perhaps, they tried to use a kitchen knife on the safe the first time round and accidentally forgot it on the bed?

"I dont think this was a hit anymore. Think about it.
1. If it was a hit, dont you think that the shots would have been to his body or head?
2. If this was purposeful, why would the assilant leave a witness to the shooting. he has alreay proven he has no repect for life, so why not kill the rest of the family?
3. If this was a hit, why did they not stick around to make sure the victim was finished?

Here is what I think went down...

The week prior, these same theives broke into Seans home looking for loot. Seeing there was nothing of value out in the open, they naturally went for the safe. Safe was locked and they could not get inot it. They leave the premesis.
One week later, they come back with the correct tools to finishe the job. Assuming noone is home again (remember... Sean was not supposed to be there. He decided last minute to get a second opinion on his knee from his personal doctor the same day) they broke into the home again. This time, they knew where the safe was and headed straight for it. But instead of finding an empty bedroom, they ran into a crazed man with a machete, trying to defend his family. They shoot blindly (due to the shock) and get one in his leg/groin and flee the scene.

A true unfortunate set of events. I feel sorry the family, but I dont htink Sean had many enemies that were out to kill him.

Thats my take anyway. I could be wrong. Either way, Sean will me missed."[/quote]

I could buy this theory but what about the knife left on the pillow the first go round? are they really that sloppy? Seems like a message...but at the same point, it also appears too unprofessional to a hit (based upon what i've read). The leg wound is odd, could it have been a reaction to seeing a man with a machete as you surmise? Could it have been a deliberate shot to end the career, and not necessarily the life of a football player? I'm not sure...

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[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;385606]I could buy this theory but what about the knife left on the pillow the first go round? are they really that sloppy? Seems like a message...but at the same point, it also appears too unprofessional to a hit (based upon what i've read). The leg wound is odd, could it have been a reaction to seeing a man with a machete as you surmise? Could it have been a deliberate shot to end the career, and not necessarily the life of a football player? I'm not sure...[/QUOTE]

I want to make a statement here. Unlike the movies, no one shoots anyone to wound. Especially when that someone is a two hundred plus pound, 6'2" world class athlete with a machete. If someone had the accuracy to hit his groin while he was coming at them, they wouldn't of missed with the second shot. It's just not plausible. IF they were going to shoot to wound and leave a message, there would have been the requisite amount of guys to subdue him after which he would have been secured, then shot wherever they wanted at point blank range.

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I have a sick feeling that they'll never find who did it :(

I hate how they're calling it a burglary.. when you take into account the sole fact that a week before someone broke in and left a knife on the bed, it was NOT a darn burglary.. no way.. that was a threat... and if it was a burglary, they would have:

A. taken what they wanted the first time around or
B. would have shot more than just Sean; since no one else was harmed in the slightest bit, that makes it very fishy..

Sean was targeted; I believe that whole heartedly.

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You can't tell me that house wasn't chock full of Flat Panel TV's and other expensive items. If this was a robbery, I guarantee they could have found SOMETHING to take the first time around.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;385651]You can't tell me that house wasn't chock full of Flat Panel TV's and other expensive items. If this was a robbery, I guarantee they could have found SOMETHING to take the first time around.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

I just don't see why Sean wouldn't have had a very* good security system.. especially if Rolle said he was always afraid when he was in Miami. And you know, if someone leaves a knife on your pillow, that should warn you and make you get a security system if you don't have one already. :( This whole thing just plain SUCKS.

I really pray they catch who did it, but I really don't think they will :(

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[QUOTE=courtney07;385652]Exactly.

I just don't see why Sean wouldn't have had a very* good security system.. especially if Rolle said he was always afraid when he was in Miami. And you know, if someone leaves a knife on your pillow, that should warn you and make you get a security system if you don't have one already. :( This whole thing just plain SUCKS.

I really pray they catch who did it, but I really don't think they will :([/QUOTE]

Today's Wash Post says his house did have a security system but he did not activate it before he went to bed.

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[QUOTE=irish;385655]Today's Wash Post says his house did have a security system but he did not activate it before he went to bed.[/QUOTE]


I hadn't seen that news report yet. Thanks for the update.

Unbelievable.. just one night that he doesn't activate it, and that's all it took :(

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;385614]I want to make a statement here. Unlike the movies, no one shoots anyone to wound. Especially when that someone is a two hundred plus pound, 6'2" world class athlete with a machete. If someone had the accuracy to hit his groin while he was coming at them, they wouldn't of missed with the second shot. It's just not plausible. IF they were going to shoot to wound and leave a message, there would have been the requisite amount of guys to subdue him after which he would have been secured, then shot wherever they wanted at point blank range.[/quote]


Fair enough...so if they aren't trying to wound him, you must believe it was an accident right? i guess i can buy that as well, but i still find the knife left on the bed curious...perhaps they are just that lazy/sloppy.

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[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;385663]Fair enough...so if they aren't trying to wound him, you must believe it was an accident right? i guess i can buy that as well, but i still find the knife left on the bed curious...perhaps they are just that lazy/sloppy.[/QUOTE]

No, I don't believe it was an accident. I believe it was a hit intended to kill. My arguement is just because he got shot in the leg/groin, it doesn't mean that he wasn't meant to die. I think the person who did this probably wasn't exactly a trained marksman. I think they didn't expect a big ass man with a machete and they shot twice and got the F out of there. They probably thought they'd break through the door and catch him in bed.

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[QUOTE=courtney07;385652]I really pray they catch who did it, but I really don't think they will :([/QUOTE]

It is very early, but my gut tells me the same thing. The police currently have no known leads or suspects, there were no witnesses, there is no description of the killer(s), there are a lot of people with motives, and we know of no evidence in the possession of the police that might lead to suspects (e.g., fingerprints). We can pray that someone talks but, with the dumb "code of silence" crap, who knows if anyone will. :(

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;385668]No, I don't believe it was an accident. I believe it was a hit intended to kill. My arguement is just because he got shot in the leg/groin, it doesn't mean that he wasn't meant to die. I think the person who did this probably wasn't exactly a trained marksman. I think they didn't expect a big ass man with a machete and they shot twice and got the F out of there. They probably thought they'd break through the door and catch him in bed.[/quote]

I think you make a lot of sense...

I was sifting through another site I like...just a fan...and he has many of the same questions we do...except he spent more time formulating...here it is...

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[B]Hrmmm...[/B]

Three things came out of the Miami police presser subsequent Washington Post [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112801073.html"]piece[/URL] that merit mention in the context of the night Sean Taylor was shot and the reporting of that night.

[B]First[/B], original reporting in the Washington Time [URL="http://washingtontimes.com/article/20071126/SPORTS01/71126002/1023"]indicated[/URL] Monday
[INDENT]someone in Taylor's house heard intruders attempting to pry open the rear door of the house. Taylor apparently went to investigate, and a female in the house then heard a shot.[/INDENT]Yesterday's WaPo piece linked at the top reported
[INDENT]the intruder or intruders kicked in the bedroom door Monday morning and fired twice, striking Taylor -- who had grabbed a machete from under the bed -- in the femoral artery while his high school sweetheart, Jackie Garcia, cowered on the bed with their 18-month-old daughter.[/INDENT]So which is it, were they all in the same room or not?


[B]Second[/B], the police have indicated there is no evidence Sean's home phone line was cut. Tuesday the WaPo [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/26/AR2007112600794.html"]reported[/URL] the line had been cut and that the fiancee was forced to use her mobile phone to call 911, which delayed paramedic arrival time.

Yesterday's piece linked at the top reports that the fiancee quote [I]had difficulty using the home phone [/I]unquote. Unless she's using a VOIP phone and teh internets waz down or her cordless battery was dead I don't know how you have a hard time using your own phone but then again I have never had the person I love bleeding out in front of me while trying to calm an 18 month old.

The police have [URL="http://www.miamiherald.com/living/health/story/323314.html"]indicated[/URL] the 911 call was received approximately 15 minutes after the shooting. Why the long gap?


[B]Third[/B], WaPo [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/26/AR2007112600794.html"]reported[/URL] on Tuesday per one of Sean's cousins that Sean's house had no alarm system. It would seem odd if not interesting that a wealthy man with questionable current and or former associates and with recent breakin(s) reported at his home would not make a phone call and get this taken care of.

Yesterday in the WaPo piece linked at the top says
[INDENT]"The home was equipped with a burglar alarm which was not turned on the night of the incident," Sharpstein said. "Sean did, however, put the hurricane shutters down on all windows. It's too little too late but I certainly would've told him to engage his alarm at all times at night and after the first burglary he probably should've had private security patrolling. This, of course, is hindsight."[/INDENT]
Uh yeah that would have been good advice. I hope this was a case of wrong information getting out in the chaos of the reporting. All three of these things interest me because they concern either someone who was at the scene of the crime or the spokesperson for the deceased who has had no shortage of time in front of a microphone. These clarifications coming three days after the shooting is peculiar.



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And here is another on of his posts...

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[B]I'm no Columbo...[/B]

...but something doesn't sound right here. No I am not ready to wade into the war over what we can and cannot say about Sean Taylor's life and death and who can say it. I am still not ready to engage.

So this is not about the supposed presupposition that Sean must have been murdered by an old associate or an enemy or the guy he roughed up over the ATVs or some homey. Or some resentful sycophant turned murderer or some ex girlfriend or Ted Bundy or Tommy Vercetti.

The Miami police had a press conference late yesterday. They believe Sean was the victim of a random burglary and not targeted, in fact they [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112801073.html"]believe[/URL] there is
[INDENT]"no reason" to think the incident was anything other than an attempted burglary, one likely involving more than one intruder...There is nothing that indicates that this was something that involved Sean," Parker said. "We're more along the lines, or the thought process, that this was a random occurrence[/INDENT]Unless the cops are going straight out of the academy playbook and running a misdirection this seems odd. Perhaps they have significant evidence, maybe not, but either way I suppose by announcing this was a random act they believe perhaps the suspects will not flee or will get careless.

But something is not right. The Washington Times [URL="http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071128/SPORTS01/111280062/1001"]reports[/URL]
[INDENT]"This kid was assassinated; it was a hit," said one longtime Taylor friend with ties to the National Football League. "With the knife beside the bedside, it was obvious they came looking for him."[/INDENT]Also we know in the breakin last week a kitchen knife (butcher? steak? paring?) was left on Sean's bed. Maybe careless burglar needed a blade to cut something open, maybe it was left there as a message. I wonder, were there prints on that knife?

A breakin so close to last week's is unrelated? You know I'm not Magnum PI but if one perp breaks in last week and mentions in conversation how easy it was and that other person decides to try it and oops finds Sean at home? I think that's related.

Sean's lawyer thinks the two breakins [I]are[/I] related ([URL="http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071128/SPORTS01/111280062/1001"]op. cit.[/URL]). He also thinks Sunday night's perpetrators did not think Sean was home. I wonder if they checked the driveway for cars.

Also, I have come to understand that the fiancee and perhaps even a nanny live or stay in the house so do we know the circumstances around last week's breakin? Was anybody home? Does anybody actually live there full time? This [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/26/AR2007112602207.html"]piece[/URL] on neighborhood reaction indicates that Sean's mother, long divorced from his father, lists the house as her permanent address and one of the rooms rifled by the burglars was listed as the bedroom of Sean's sister Sasha. Who really lives there?


Sean's friend and former University of Miami and current Arizona Cardinals cornerback Antrel Rolle
[INDENT]said Wednesday that Taylor had told him he was afraid every time he returned to the [Miami] area...

"This was not the first incident," Rolle told reporters in Arizona. "They've been targeting him for three years now."


Rolle, who said he had not spoken to Taylor in a while, did not offer any specifics, but added, "Sean, he had a large group of friends, and he no longer hung out with those friends, so you never know where this came from.[/INDENT]([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112801073.html"]op. cit.[/URL])

Antrel may not be Jim Rockford but something is amiss here. The burglars kicked open the bedroom door and shot him? It seems to me that if the burglars thought the house would be empty then they would have taken off when they heard noises. As it was there is nothing that appears missing from the house.

Also the WaPo piece ([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112801073.html"]op. cit.[/URL]) mentions two pieces of information that merit their own post, to follow immediately: 1) the phone line [B]was not[/B] cut, fiancee Jackie Garcia had a 'hard time' operating the home phone and 2) the house [B]does[/B] have an alarm system but it was not turned on. These two pieces of information contradict earlier reporting and it may be innocent in all the chaos but...odd.

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I think he's got many of the same questions that we all have...hopefully we'll find it out in time...

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Wow. Great post. That's a lot of information to digest but obviously this is a very clouded situation.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;385670]It is very early, but my gut tells me the same thing. The police currently have no known leads or suspects, there were no witnesses, there is no description of the killer(s), there are a lot of people with motives, and we know of no evidence in the possession of the police that might lead to suspects (e.g., fingerprints). We can pray that someone talks but, with the dumb "code of silence" crap, who knows if anyone will. :([/quote]
You are assuming way too much. The police are not going to give out any information to tip off anyone so they run and hide. If his killer thinks there's no evidence then why would they run or hide. His dad is or was a police cheif in FL (not sure of the city) and they look after their own so this investigation will not drop even when it has left the news. I also think Snyder along with others will put up a large bounty for the killer and his friends will turn on him. It might noot happen over night but some one will give him up or the local detectives will find the guy. I also think they know it was not random and are just saying so to throw off the killer.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;385680]I also think they know it was not random and are just saying so to throw off the killer.[/QUOTE]

Let's hope so.

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[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;385673]
Also the WaPo piece ([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/28/AR2007112801073.html"]op. cit.[/URL]) mentions two pieces of information that merit their own post, to follow immediately: 1) the phone line [B]was not[/B] cut, fiancee Jackie Garcia had a 'hard time' operating the home phone and 2) the house [B]does[/B] have an alarm system but it was not turned on. These two pieces of information contradict earlier reporting and it may be innocent in all the chaos but...odd.[/QUOTE]

I had thought about the the phone thing before, but one is able to disable a house's phone system without having to physically cut the line. All someone needs to do is pick up a handset and dial any number. The phone will sit there for a while waiting for the rest of the number to be entered. When a specified amount of time has expired and the user still hasn't entered a legal phone number, an automated message will play and then a beeping noise usually comes over the line if the phone is not hung up. If you just leave it off the hook, the dialtone will never reset, thus making it seem like the line has been cut.

I know what the guy is pointing towards (an inside job) with the point he brings up, but there's not enough there for me to even think about it at this point.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;385694]I had thought about the the phone thing before, but one is able to disable a house's phone system without having to physically cut the line. All someone needs to do is pick up a handset and dial any number. The phone will sit there for a while waiting for the rest of the number to be entered. When a specified amount of time has expired and the user still hasn't entered a legal phone number, an automated message will play and then a beeping noise usually comes over the line if the phone is not hung up. If you just leave it off the hook, the dialtone will never reset, thus making it seem like the line has been cut.

I know what the guy is pointing towards (an inside job) with the point he brings up, but there's not enough there for me to even think about it at this point.[/QUOTE]


Yeah a lot of people seem to be leaning towards the fact that the fiance was in on this somehow.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;385670]....We can pray that someone talks but, with the dumb "code of silence" crap, who knows if anyone will. :([/quote]
A six or seven figure "reward" (I'll call it a bounty) for information leading to an arrest and conviction will break that "code of silence" crap. If they need contributions towards the reward money, sign me up.

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[QUOTE=courtney07;385697]Yeah a lot of people seem to be leaning towards the [B]fact[/B] that the fiance was in on this somehow.[/QUOTE]

It's not fact, it's speculation; which IMO is something people really need to be careful about right now.

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The only two things we know for certain:

1.) Somebody broke in 8 days before
2.) Nothing was taken in either break ins

Judging by what we know, and not speculative information (like the phones, security system, etc.), I think it's safe to say that the motive was NOT robbery. Period. The end.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;385701]It's not fact, it's speculation; which IMO is something people really need to be careful about right now.[/QUOTE]

Sorry. I threw the word 'fact' in there not to mean it was a straight truth; was just what I typed. I didn't mean it in that way.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;385702]The only two things we know for certain:

1.) Somebody broke in 8 days before
2.) Nothing was taken in either break ins

Judging by what we know, and not speculative information (like the phones, security system, etc.), I think it's safe to say that the motive was NOT robbery. Period. The end.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. I have believed it wasn't a robbery from the very start, and each article I read just strengthens that belief.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;385702]The only two things we know for certain:

1.) Somebody broke in 8 days before
2.) Nothing was taken in either break ins

Judging by what we know, and not speculative information (like the phones, security system, etc.), I think it's safe to say that the motive was NOT robbery. Period. The end.[/QUOTE]

No, I don't think it's at all safe to say that at this point. We may think it points to only one motive, but to make an assumption with two facts is not wise. It may turn out to be the truth in the end, but it is not wise to paint yourself into that corner at this time.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;385709]No, I don't think it's at all safe to say that at this point. We may think it points to only one motive, but to make an assumption with two facts is not wise. It may turn out to be the truth in the end, but it is not wise to paint yourself into that corner at this time.[/QUOTE]

It is fairly wise and relevant to assume that it at least wasn't a burglary seeing as how during the first break-in, the idiot could have taken whatever his heart desired since no one was there... but instead decided to leave a knife on the pillow..

...so yeah.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;385709]No, I don't think it's at all safe to say that at this point. We may think it points to only one motive, but to make an assumption with two facts is not wise. It may turn out to be the truth in the end, but it is not wise to paint yourself into that corner at this time.[/QUOTE]

I hear you. However, I'm not suggesting any motive. I'm only suggesting that the motive can't be robbery -- nothing was taken.

If you break into a house, and risk so much, you take something to make the risk worthwhile. Nobody was in the house 8 days earlier when the first break in occurred. I don't buy the argument that somebody broke in, there was nobody home, and they decided not to take anything (or there wasn't anything to take).

I'm not analyzing the 2nd break in as much as the 1st. Why would someone break in with the intention of robbery, and not take anything? Nobody was home. To me that is so highly unlikely that it's hardly worth considering. It's far more likely, given the circumstances, that the motive was not robbery than otherwise.

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For me, it all comes back to the safe. If it wasn't a burglary, why try to get into the safe during the first break-in?

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;385723]For me, it all comes back to the safe. If it wasn't a burglary, why try to get into the safe during the first break-in?[/QUOTE]


Perhaps there was something in there that someone wanted.. still doesn't have to be a burglar to make that true. And do they know for 100% sure that someone tried to break into the safe? Because that's one thing that hasn't been mentioned as much within articles that I've read.

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If it was a hit, he was under surveillance. I read where upon arriving Saturday, he took a 30 mile ride on his bicycle. The hit man would have known this and had plenty of opportunities for a drive-by. Why do it in a way that is so much riskier (hopping a fence in plain sight, out of your getaway car, breaking into a house w/ a security system, a possibly armed target, etc etc.

Who knows, though. Only the killer, the ones who hired the killer, or the ones the killer has bragged to at this point.

My whole deal is that with the info we have right now, there are 2 plausible scenarios; neither of which should be labeled as being more accurate than the other.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;385723]For me, it all comes back to the safe. If it wasn't a burglary, why try to get into the safe during the first break-in?[/QUOTE]

Somebody tried to get into the safe? I didn't know that. Are you certain, or is it speculation?

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[QUOTE=cpayne5;385729]If it was a hit, he was under surveillance. I read where upon arriving Saturday, he took a 30 mile ride on his bicycle. The hit man would have known this and had plenty of opportunities for a drive-by. Why do it in a way that is so much riskier (hopping a fence in plain sight, out of your getaway car, breaking into a house w/ a security system, a possibly armed target, etc etc.

Who knows, though. Only the killer, the ones who hired the killer, or the ones the killer has bragged to at this point.

My whole deal is that with the info we have right now, there are 2 plausible scenarios; neither of which should be labeled as being more accurate than the other.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget the other scenario that's been circulating.. that the shooter had intention for Sean, but not intentions to kill.. just to injure him beyond repair for ever playing football again.