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LSU vs. Ohio State for the National Championship. Hold on to that 10 dollars Jsarno, and I told you Dallas Blows

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See, that was exactly what I was talking about. What a HORRIBLE system we have in college football. No way should they be playing for the championship.

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I would say for the two loss teams, they won their conference and it took a total of 6 overtimes for them to lose those two games.

But I gotta root for the Big Ten.

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I still say Hawaii got skrewed! 12-0 and 10th in the rankings????? Come on! I understand it wasn't THE toughest schedule, but they did go undefeated.

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[quote=jsarno;387710]See, that was exactly what I was talking about. What a HORRIBLE system we have in college football. No way should they be playing for the championship.[/quote]Well, after all that mess, we have the two best teams in the nation playing for the Nat'l Championship. As it should be.

Lots of other teams did have their chances, but the BCS got it right in the end.

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[quote=jsarno;387724]I still say Hawaii got skrewed! 12-0 and 10th in the rankings????? Come on! I understand it wasn't THE toughest schedule, but they did go undefeated.[/quote]So?

They got a BCS bid, did they not?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;387729]So?

They got a BCS bid, did they not?[/QUOTE]

BCS bid means nothing. They should be fighting for the national championship.
Kansas had one loss, and I think Oklahoma was better than LSU.

Wasn't LSU like 7th or 8th before this week? So they jumped 6 or 7 spots in one week?????

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[quote=jsarno;387743]BCS bid means nothing. They should be fighting for the national championship.
Kansas had one loss, and I think Oklahoma was better than LSU.

Wasn't LSU like 7th or 8th before this week? So they jumped 6 or 7 spots in one week?????[/quote]My point is that if Hawaii isn't going to schedule any competant programs in their non conference games, then they should prove their dominance by blowing the ones they do schedule out of the water. They aren't good enough to do this, and frankly unlike Boise last year, didn't beat a single deserving top 25 team. I don't really think Hawaii earned the right to be ranked, let alone play in the National Championship.

Oklahoma? They deserved considering. Kansas had an impressive victory over Kansas State this year, but KSU is hardly a powerhouse. Kansas had definately earned the right to play for it in that game against Missouri, but it would be hard to say Kansas was any better than the 3rd best team in there own conference.

I would think that outside of Oklahoma, the only other teams receiving consideration were Georgia, LSU, and Florida. While all do deserve to be considered as the best team in their conference, LSU was [U]champion[/U] of their conference, and seemingly was more deserving than the others.

So you think it should have been Ohio State-Oklahoma? Fine, but I think LSU was more impressive based on the entire season, and certainly were at the very least, deserving.

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VT was ranking #1 by the computers =/

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;387794]My point is that if Hawaii isn't going to schedule any competant programs in their non conference games, then they should prove their dominance by blowing the ones they do schedule out of the water. They aren't good enough to do this, and frankly unlike Boise last year, didn't beat a single deserving top 25 team. I don't really think Hawaii earned the right to be ranked, let alone play in the National Championship.

Oklahoma? They deserved considering. Kansas had an impressive victory over Kansas State this year, but KSU is hardly a powerhouse. Kansas had definately earned the right to play for it in that game against Missouri, but it would be hard to say Kansas was any better than the 3rd best team in there own conference.

I would think that outside of Oklahoma, the only other teams receiving consideration were Georgia, LSU, and Florida. While all do deserve to be considered as the best team in their conference, LSU was [U]champion[/U] of their conference, and seemingly was more deserving than the others.

So you think it should have been Ohio State-Oklahoma? Fine, but I think LSU was more impressive based on the entire season, and certainly were at the very least, deserving.[/QUOTE]

Well, Hawaii TRIED to schedule teams such as LSU by offering sums of money from 500k to 1mil just as a thank you to play them, but every really good program was too scared to take the offer. It's not their fault they play in an inferior conference, and it's not their fault that every program is afraid to play them. The only team with balls was Boise St. and Hawaii disposed of them even though they were ranked 19th in the country.
I don't think it should be Oklahoma really, but I do think Oklahoma is better, however, Georgia, V Tech and Kansas were all ahead of LSU, and somehow LSU gets the nod above them all?
Georgia didn't play, V Tech beat a VERY GOOD BC team 30-16 (ranked 12th), and Kansas didn't play, the only game they lost was to the #1 team in the country.
So I do not think LSU deserves it. V Tech was above them and beat a better team by a bigger margin than LSU for the last game of the season, so how in the world can you explain the leap frog of LSU on that? Also, how can you punish Georgia and Kansas for not playing? If you rank below those teams and they don't play, how can you pass them...especially when you almost lose to Tennessee?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;387825]Well, Hawaii TRIED to schedule teams such as LSU by offering sums of money from 500k to 1mil just as a thank you to play them, but every really good program was too scared to take the offer. It's not their fault they play in an inferior conference, and it's not their fault that every program is afraid to play them. T[B][B]he only team with balls was Boise St. and Hawaii disposed of them even though they were ranked 19th in the country.[/B][/B]
I don't think it should be Oklahoma really, but I do think Oklahoma is better, however, Georgia, V Tech and Kansas were all ahead of LSU, and somehow LSU gets the nod above them all?
Georgia didn't play, V Tech beat a VERY GOOD BC team 30-16 (ranked 12th), and Kansas didn't play, the only game they lost was to the #1 team in the country.
So I do not think LSU deserves it. V Tech was above them and beat a better team by a bigger margin than LSU for the last game of the season, so how in the world can you explain the leap frog of LSU on that? Also, how can you punish Georgia and Kansas for not playing? If you rank below those teams and they don't play, how can you pass them...especially when you almost lose to Tennessee?[/QUOTE]

I think they play in the same conference. But I see your point, it just doesn't feel right that you can go undefeated and not have a chance to compete for the national title. While I think the BCS did the best it could, this was the season more than any other I can remember in which a playoff was needed not just to satisfy the fans, but to truly determine the best team.

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[quote=Daseal;387801]VT was ranking #1 by the computers =/[/quote]

Yeah, I don't see how LSU is playing. At least VTs losses weren't by some unranked ARKANSAS! Triple overtime or not, that's inexcusable.

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[quote=GTripp0012;387794]So you think it should have been Ohio State-Oklahoma? Fine, but I think LSU was more impressive based on the entire season, [B][I]and certainly were at the very least, deserving.[/I][/B][/quote]

I don't see how you can say that after losing to an unranked team and another lowly ranked team.

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While Mizzou has 2 losses, how does Kansas play over them in a BCS Bowl, when Mizzou disposed of them 2 weeks ago? They lost to a tough Oklahoma team, and have better rankings all around, yet Kansas with 1 loss goes forth.

As far as Hawaii goes, I've always been under the impression that no matter who you are, an undefeated team should be fighting for a championship. And while the Sugar Bowl is a decent consolation, if they do beat Georgia, the debate will rage on about mid-majors. However, their strength of schedule is 118 of 120 D I-A schools...and yes, Boise State is in their conference.

LSU/Ohio State should be a decent game, but until there is a playoff, there will be no fair way to figure out who is the true champion.

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Honestly, I think just about anyone in the top ten would be competitive playing in the championship game.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;387992]Yeah, I don't see how LSU is playing. At least VTs losses weren't by some unranked ARKANSAS! Triple overtime or not, that's inexcusable.[/quote]


LSU beat Virginia Tech 48-7 you cant ignore that

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Bleh, you're just saying what they said on TV.

Sure you can't, but you also can't ignore a loss to an unranked team. While VT shouldn't be playing for it, neither should LSU.

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Particularly when there are one loss teams AND an undefeated team who WON'T be playing in it.

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whats crazy is how kansas can be in the orange bowl with the 109th weakest schedule or something like that...they beat 1 ranked team, #24 kansas state...mizzou got screwed

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I would tend to agree. I think the championship should be OSU versus Georgia.

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Georgia didnt even make it to the SEC championship game and who has Kansas or Hawaii beat this season.

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The system is flawed, LSU does not deserve their spot period. This season should bring about a playoff system of some sort becuase this was just crap. Maybe then hawaii could beat someone.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;388079]Georgia didnt even make it to the SEC championship game and [B][I]who has Kansas or Hawaii beat this season.[/I][/B][/quote]

Right, but who have they LOST to? Hawaii, no one. And Kansas, lost to number two Missouri. LSU lost to unranked Arkansas and lowly ranked Kentucky. It's still two losses. While Kansas can't claim to have beaten a lot of great teams, they at least can claim they haven't lost to any bad ones.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;388090]Right, but who have they LOST to? Hawaii, no one. And Kansas, lost to number two Missouri. LSU lost to unranked Arkansas and lowly ranked Kentucky. It's still two losses. While Kansas can't claim to have beaten a lot of great teams, they at least can claim they haven't lost to any bad ones.[/quote]


missouri was a poser who lost to Oklahoma twice and Kansas's biggest win was against Kansas State so LSU does deserve it over any of the other teams that were there Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech come on now.

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[quote=Redskin;388086]The system is flawed, LSU does not deserve their spot period. This season should bring about a playoff system of some sort becuase this was just crap. Maybe then hawaii could beat someone.[/quote]


Then tell me who deserves it.

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This year will mark the most unimpressive MNC to date in the BCS system. This year is absolute proof that there needs to be a playoff system, whether it be 4 or 8 or even 16 teams I dont care, just make a playoff. and no im not saying this cuz WV shat the bed on saturday cuz i think with a loss like that they wouldve been eliminated from a playoff anyway.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;388097]missouri was a poser who lost to Oklahoma twice and Kansas's biggest win was against Kansas State so LSU does deserve it over any of the other teams that were there Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech come on now.[/quote]

LSU lost to Kentucky and Arkansas, not really that great of losses if you can call any loss good. In fact the only team in the current top 5 who hasnt lost to a then unrranked team, is Virginia Tech.

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double post.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;388097]missouri was a poser who lost to Oklahoma twice and [B][I]Kansas's biggest win was against Kansas State[/I][/B] so LSU does deserve it over any of the other teams that were there Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech come on now.[/quote]

I know BUT the key word here is WIN. If you're talking about easy wins versus losses against crappy teams, I don't see a situation where a team getting beaten by an unranked should be playing for the national title. Even Hawaii should be getting a shot.

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Sec is a tougher confrence this is exactly what everyone was saying last year when Florida got there ahead of Michigan and they whipped OSU's ass in the game

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When LSU lost to Kentucky I believe they were ranked like 9th or something

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Well EQ -- the only people that Tech lost to were ranked #2 and #1 in the country respectively. The comps had them #1 for a reason. They've come a long way since the loss to LSU. LSU has gotten worse.

This is why college football blows. There's no closure. We can debate all day about who should go, and everyone has an argument. Without some sort of playoff system, it's impossible. Take the top 8 teams to a playoff. Thats two extra games. Keep the same ranking system, and if you aren't top 8, chances are you dont deserve a shot.

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I do agree they need a playoff system but honestly I don't think it will happen. As for LSU, they are a better team then what was on the field Saturday night in the SEC Championship game. They were a really banged up team and I think that with Matt Flynn back they will be much better. It will be a great game against Ohio State.

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[quote=Daseal;388351]Well EQ -- the only people that Tech lost to were ranked #2 and #1 in the country respectively. The comps had them #1 for a reason. They've come a long way since the loss to LSU. LSU has gotten worse.

This is why college football blows. There's no closure. We can debate all day about who should go, and everyone has an argument. Without some sort of playoff system, it's impossible. Take the top 8 teams to a playoff. Thats two extra games. Keep the same ranking system, and if you aren't top 8, chances are you dont deserve a shot.[/quote]


LSU is not a worse team they were just hurt. Boston College was undeserving of that ranking

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Hawaii deserves the spot in the MNC. I don't care how weak the WAC schedule is, they went undefeated in D1.

LSU in the game would have been the same as putting Georgia, OU, VT or USC in that spot. Honestly, all five teams would probably beat (maybe even destroy) Hawaii or OSU. But that isn't the point- all five teams had their chances to be in the game and they screwed the pooch (twice).

If it were b/t OSU and Hawaii, the champion probably wouldn't be the best team in the nation... but it would be the one who deserved it, based on regular season play. Like TMC mentioned earlier, anyone in the top 10 could probably beat each other right now on any given day. Since we don't have a playoff (which is ridiculous), slotting LSU in the second spot is as arbitrary as can be.

There's a million arguments for each case- all as valid as the next. "The SEC is the best conference." "The 8th place Pac 10 team destroyed the SEC East Champion." "LSU didn't lose in regulation." "Georgia and USC have played the best football the past month and a half."

The solution? If there's no playoff, it's Hawaii. Their record trumps every subjective argument out there.

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[quote=Daseal;388351]Well EQ -- the only people that Tech lost to were ranked #2 and #1 in the country respectively. The comps had them #1 for a reason. They've come a long way since the loss to LSU. LSU has gotten worse.

This is why college football blows. There's no closure. We can debate all day about who should go, and everyone has an argument. Without some sort of playoff system, it's impossible. Take the top 8 teams to a playoff. Thats two extra games. Keep the same ranking system, and if you aren't top 8, chances are you dont deserve a shot.[/quote]Truth is though, Boston College was never that good this season. At the time they beat Va. Tech, they hadn't lost [I]yet[/I]. Va. Tech was better though, I thought they proved that in that game, and they definately proved it in the ACC Championship.

But the point is that if you are arguing that LSU doesn't deserve it, you still will end up making an argument that will end up disqualifying pretty much any team that could play OSU. The computer average isn't a statistical formula that tries to find who played the best football, its an average of like 6-7 human polls.

The point is that the idea is to find the best 2 teams and have them play. That was accomplished this year. The goal is not to find the teams with the least "unimpressive losses" or crazy wins or whatever. It's supposed to be the two best teams.

If any of the other teams had been more impressive than the two that made it, then they should have gotten it. No one really was. I thought WVU was for awhile, but they not only didn't beat Pittsburgh, but basically lost to a Pitt team that didn't even play it's best game.

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What I hate is how bowl proponents justify the system by claiming that every game is a playoff game with the national championship on the line. That's fine, except for the fact that it's obviously not true. We are going to have a champion with two playoff losses, which hasn't happened since I hosted a triple elimination Joe Montana NFL tournament at my house in 8th grade (for those of you who don't remember there was one year where that game totally eclipsed Madden).

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;388030]LSU beat Virginia Tech 48-7 you cant ignore that[/quote]


True, but that was before they turned their season around. At least VT only lost to ranked teams. Honestly, I am glad that VT is not in the National Championship game. If they win the Orange Bowl against Kansas it is [B]possible [/B](not inevitable) that they share the National Championship title.

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[quote=angryssg;388550]True, but that was before they turned their season around. At least VT only lost to ranked teams. Honestly, I am glad that VT is not in the National Championship game. If they win the Orange Bowl against Kansas it is [B]possible [/B](not inevitable) that they share the National Championship title.[/quote]


yes but either way you cant ignore it it was a domination regardless and when LSU lost to Kentucky they were in the top 10 and we werent healthy same with the Arkansas game but when OSU comes around and we are all 100% OSU will be in for a big suprise AGAIN. (I have no idea why i kept saying we)

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Man this was a whacked out sleeper of a BCS this season