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SmootSmack 12-04-2007 01:35 AM

My Redskins Wish List
 
Since Matty has officially declared us out of the playoffs, I have lost all hope and am ready to look ahead to 2008 (no seriously, I still have a glimmer of hope. But that's just how I roll)

Anyhow, 2007 aside, let's assume for a minute that it actually matters who is on the roster, here is my wish list for each position in 2008

QB: Keep Campbell as the starter. He's on the verge of greatness. Say thank you to Brunell and Collins and send them on their way. Draft a QB later (6th, 7th round), and pick up some veteran free agent to be a #2. For a minimum salary

RB: It's fine, leave it alone

TE: It's fine, leave it alone

WR: Love Randle El, but I bump him back down to #3 receiver. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Caldwell when he's out there and I think he should be at least the #2 WR on the team. If not for the public relations nightmare that it would be, I'd say put Moss on the market and see what you can get for him. But that would be a pr disaster so he stays. I like KM as the #4 for a veterans minimum. Might be time to say thanks and see ya to James Thrash

OL: Major changes needed here. Firt off, I have no problem with the opening day lineup we had this year (Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen). But we need some young depth, besides Heyer. I use our 2nd and 3rd round picks on an OT and a G (Eric Young maybe?)

K: Bring in competition for Suisham. But I like him

P: Not happy with Frost lately, his line drive punts are killing us. I want a change there

LB: Rocky and Fletch were great this year, and Rocky at least seems to have a long, bright future with us. A little worried about Washington's injuries. I like the depth Blades gives us. But Khary Campbell is a special teamer at best, and Godfrey-while effective-isn't the long term answer here. We need OLB help. Of course Briggs is the popular choice, but I'd like to see us make a run at Karlos Dansby

DE: Two words: Justin Smith. 'Nuff said ;)

CB: Based on the available talent at the free agent and college level, I think we should draft a CB in the first round. Depending on where we draft, either Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason.

S: Laron Landry is a lock to start. Starting next to him I'm still kind of big on moving Springs there. This is all dependent on a.)if we keep him, which I hope we do, and b.)if Rogers is healthy to start the season. If Rogers isn't then I'm not keen on moving Springs out of a CB spot

So, to summarize:

[B]Subtractions:[/B]
Brunell
Collins
Thrash
Frost
Daniels
(among others)

[B]Major Additions:[/B]
Talib/Cason
Two Offensive Linemen from the draft
Justin Smith
Karlos Dansby
Late round QB

Well, those are the moves I'd lean toward making. How about you?

HOGTIMUS PRIME 12-04-2007 02:00 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=SmootSmack;388533]Since Matty has officially declared us out of the playoffs, I have lost all hope and am ready to look ahead to 2008 (no seriously, I still have a glimmer of hope. But that's just how I roll)

Anyhow, 2007 aside, let's assume for a minute that it actually matters who is on the roster, here is my wish list for each position in 2008

QB: Keep Campbell as the starter. He's on the verge of greatness. Say thank you to Brunell and Collins and send them on their way. Draft a QB later (6th, 7th round), and pick up some veteran free agent to be a #2. For a minimum salary

RB: It's fine, leave it alone

TE: It's fine, leave it alone

WR: Love Randle El, but I bump him back down to #3 receiver. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Caldwell when he's out there and I think he should be at least the #2 WR on the team. If not for the public relations nightmare that it would be, I'd say put Moss on the market and see what you can get for him. But that would be a pr disaster so he stays. I like KM as the #4 for a veterans minimum. Might be time to say thanks and see ya to James Thrash

OL: Major changes needed here. Firt off, I have no problem with the opening day lineup we had this year (Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen). But we need some young depth, besides Heyer. I use our 2nd and 3rd round picks on an OT and a G (Eric Young maybe?)

K: Bring in competition for Suisham. But I like him

P: Not happy with Frost lately, his line drive punts are killing us. I want a change there

LB: Rocky and Fletch were great this year, and Rocky at least seems to have a long, bright future with us. A little worried about Washington's injuries. I like the depth Blades gives us. But Khary Campbell is a special teamer at best, and Godfrey-while effective-isn't the long term answer here. We need OLB help. Of course Briggs is the popular choice, but I'd like to see us make a run at Karlos Dansby

DE: Two words: Justin Smith. 'Nuff said ;)

CB: Based on the available talent at the free agent and college level, I think we should draft a CB in the first round. Depending on where we draft, either Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason.

S: Laron Landry is a lock to start. Starting next to him I'm still kind of big on moving Springs there. This is all dependent on a.)if we keep him, which I hope we do, and b.)if Rogers is healthy to start the season. If Rogers isn't then I'm not keen on moving Springs out of a CB spot

So, to summarize:

[B]Subtractions:[/B]
Brunell
Collins
Thrash
Frost
Daniels
(among others)

[B]Major Additions:[/B]
Talib/Cason
Two Offensive Linemen from the draft
Justin Smith
Karlos Dansby
Late round QB

Well, those are the moves I'd lean toward making. How about you?[/QUOTE]

Caldwell ahead of ARL?:confused-

Heyer is a backup at best, I would have to over haul the entire offensive line, with the exception of Samuels, we need road graters up front, right now when teams gear up against us in short yardage we lose, a powerful offensive line can make the rest of our skill players look a lot better, and should be a big help to Campbell, although I am very concerned at his inability to make proper decisions late in games, I have seen enough bad decisions to make me ask the question, does he really have what it takes in the decision making dept. at QB? Great athletic ability does not a star make at QB, great decision making does, He has yet to distinguish himself in the area as of yet.

GTripp0012 12-04-2007 02:16 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[quote=SmootSmack;388533]Since Matty has officially declared us out of the playoffs, I have lost all hope and am ready to look ahead to 2008 (no seriously, I still have a glimmer of hope. But that's just how I roll)

Anyhow, 2007 aside, let's assume for a minute that it actually matters who is on the roster, here is my wish list for each position in 2008

QB: Keep Campbell as the starter. He's on the verge of greatness. Say thank you to Brunell and Collins and send them on their way. Draft a QB later (6th, 7th round), and pick up some veteran free agent to be a #2. For a minimum salary

RB: It's fine, leave it alone

TE: It's fine, leave it alone

WR: Love Randle El, but I bump him back down to #3 receiver. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Caldwell when he's out there and I think he should be at least the #2 WR on the team. If not for the public relations nightmare that it would be, I'd say put Moss on the market and see what you can get for him. But that would be a pr disaster so he stays. I like KM as the #4 for a veterans minimum. Might be time to say thanks and see ya to James Thrash

OL: Major changes needed here. Firt off, I have no problem with the opening day lineup we had this year (Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen). But we need some young depth, besides Heyer. I use our 2nd and 3rd round picks on an OT and a G [B](Eric Young maybe?)[/B]

K: Bring in competition for Suisham. But I like him

P: Not happy with Frost lately, his line drive punts are killing us. I want a change there

LB: Rocky and Fletch were great this year, and Rocky at least seems to have a long, bright future with us. A little worried about Washington's injuries. I like the depth Blades gives us. But Khary Campbell is a special teamer at best, and Godfrey-while effective-isn't the long term answer here. We need OLB help. Of course Briggs is the popular choice, but I'd like to see us make a run at Karlos Dansby

DE: Two words: Justin Smith. 'Nuff said ;)

CB: Based on the available talent at the free agent and college level, I think we should draft a CB in the first round. Depending on where we draft, either Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason.

S: Laron Landry is a lock to start. Starting next to him I'm still kind of big on moving Springs there. This is all dependent on a.)if we keep him, which I hope we do, and b.)if Rogers is healthy to start the season. If Rogers isn't then I'm not keen on moving Springs out of a CB spot

So, to summarize:

[B]Subtractions:[/B]
Brunell
Collins
Thrash
Frost
Daniels
(among others)

[B]Major Additions:[/B]
Talib/Cason
Two Offensive Linemen from the draft
Justin Smith
Karlos Dansby
Late round QB

Well, those are the moves I'd lean toward making. How about you?[/quote]Not kidding you, I drafted Eric Young today in my Madden Franchise. He's playing LG as a rookie since I never acquired Kendall in that franchise.

We need to acquire another TE to play with Cooley. I've been adamant that it be a blocking TE, but as long as we keep respect to pass blocking ability, any guy who we can use in a versatile role, and we feel could start for us next year would do. We could spend a mid round draft pick on such a player, get the scouting department on it.

This would also take the pressure off the necessity for another stud receiver. It would allow Moss to remain in the No. 1 role for one more season, and allow Cooley to work out of the slot in every passing situation, effectively becoming the no. 1 receiver.

Send Lloyd away for a glass of 2% lactose free milk, release Springs and Daniels, attempt to resign both to league minimum contracts but nothing more. If they sign elsewhere, act to replace them with vets (Dayleon McCutchon, or Brian Kelly at corner). Be aggressive in the free agent market to find a cover safety.

Use the early draft picks on the offensive and defensive lines. If the right value at DT comes our way, an impact player, jump on it. We will have to add more youth at the DT position sometime, and while the emergence of Montgomery has made it not as immediate as before, it's still a need.

Otherwise, use the first round pick on a pass rushing DE or a stud left tackle prospect who has the versatility to begin his career at guard. Draft a cornerback in the 2nd or 3rd round, and draft a guard with the other, depending on where the value falls.

With the late round picks, make sure to pick up a running back who the coaching staff likes and will respect. I would spend a pick on Chad Henne if he's sitting there on the second day. There are a lot of flaws in his game and his senior season was a injury riddled regression, but he's got a lot of college experience against elite competition and you can't teach that.

Sign Tim Rattay or a QB of equal value. Don't resign Collins, and Brunell's contract automatically terminates. If we take a lineman in the first round who can start at LG as a rookie, cut Kendall and take advantage of the fact that he has no cap hit. Resign Fabini and Pucillo.

RedskinPete 12-04-2007 04:40 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=HOGTIMUS PRIME;388538]Caldwell ahead of ARL?:confused-

Heyer is a backup at best, I would have to over haul the entire offensive line, with the exception of Samuels, we need road graters up front, right now when teams gear up against us in short yardage we lose, a powerful offensive line can make the rest of our skill players look a lot better, and should be a big help to Campbell, although I am very concerned at his inability to make proper decisions late in games, I have seen enough bad decisions to make me ask the question, does he really have what it takes in the decision making dept. at QB? Great athletic ability does not a star make at QB, great decision making does, He has yet to distinguish himself in the area as of yet.[/QUOTE]

I think you are dead wrong about Heyer. But time will tell!

hagams 12-04-2007 07:53 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[quote=SmootSmack;388533]WR: Love Randle El, but I bump him back down to #3 receiver. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Caldwell when he's out there and I think he should be at least the #2 WR on the team. If not for the public relations nightmare that it would be, I'd say put Moss on the market and see what you can get for him. But that would be a pr disaster so he stays. I like KM as the #4 for a veterans minimum. Might be time to say thanks and see ya to James Thrash
[/quote]


I agree about Caldwell. ARL played out of the slot in Pitt didn't he? That's were he excells, and that's where we need to have him. Caldwell is the suprise of the year for me. When we couldn't get anyone to catch a ball, he was there. I think he is the reason that Moss came around last week.

BleedBurgundy 12-04-2007 08:10 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=SmootSmack;388533]Since Matty has officially declared us out of the playoffs, I have lost all hope and am ready to look ahead to 2008 (no seriously, I still have a glimmer of hope. But that's just how I roll)

Anyhow, 2007 aside, let's assume for a minute that it actually matters who is on the roster, here is my wish list for each position in 2008

QB: Keep Campbell as the starter. He's on the verge of greatness. Say thank you to Brunell and Collins and send them on their way. Draft a QB later (6th, 7th round), and pick up some veteran free agent to be a #2. For a minimum salary

RB: It's fine, leave it alone

TE: It's fine, leave it alone

WR: Love Randle El, but I bump him back down to #3 receiver. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Caldwell when he's out there and I think he should be at least the #2 WR on the team. If not for the public relations nightmare that it would be, I'd say put Moss on the market and see what you can get for him. But that would be a pr disaster so he stays. I like KM as the #4 for a veterans minimum. Might be time to say thanks and see ya to James Thrash

OL: Major changes needed here. Firt off, I have no problem with the opening day lineup we had this year (Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen). But we need some young depth, besides Heyer. I use our 2nd and 3rd round picks on an OT and a G (Eric Young maybe?)

K: Bring in competition for Suisham. But I like him

P: Not happy with Frost lately, his line drive punts are killing us. I want a change there

LB: Rocky and Fletch were great this year, and Rocky at least seems to have a long, bright future with us. A little worried about Washington's injuries. I like the depth Blades gives us. But Khary Campbell is a special teamer at best, and Godfrey-while effective-isn't the long term answer here. We need OLB help. Of course Briggs is the popular choice, but I'd like to see us make a run at Karlos Dansby

DE: Two words: Justin Smith. 'Nuff said ;)

CB: Based on the available talent at the free agent and college level, I think we should draft a CB in the first round. Depending on where we draft, either Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason.

S: Laron Landry is a lock to start. Starting next to him I'm still kind of big on moving Springs there. This is all dependent on a.)if we keep him, which I hope we do, and b.)if Rogers is healthy to start the season. If Rogers isn't then I'm not keen on moving Springs out of a CB spot

So, to summarize:

[B]Subtractions:[/B]
Brunell
Collins
Thrash
Frost
Daniels
(among others)

[B]Major Additions:[/B]
Talib/Cason
Two Offensive Linemen from the draft
Justin Smith
Karlos Dansby
Late round QB

Well, those are the moves I'd lean toward making. How about you?[/QUOTE]


It's hard to argue against any of those moves. I would hope it wouldn't even be a question as to who our starting qb is. Honestly, I don't see us having the cap space to get Justin Smith, but I'd love to see him in a Skins uniform and then draft Long out of Virginia. Two bookend DE's to lead the D for years to come. I also think we need to look at picking up a bruiser at running back. I wouldn't blow a first round pick on one, there's too much value later, but I think CP is on the decline barring a major rennaissance next year.

BrunellMVP? 12-04-2007 08:24 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[quote=HOGTIMUS PRIME;388538]Caldwell ahead of ARL?:confused-

Heyer is a backup at best, I would have to over haul the entire offensive line, with the exception of Samuels, we need road graters up front, right now when teams gear up against us in short yardage we lose, a powerful offensive line can make the rest of our skill players look a lot better, and should be a big help to Campbell, although I am very concerned at his inability to make proper decisions late in games, I have seen enough bad decisions to make me ask the question, does he really have what it takes in the decision making dept. at QB? Great athletic ability does not a star make at QB, great decision making does, He has yet to distinguish himself in the area as of yet.[/quote]

When Randy Thomas is not injured, I believe he's the best on our line...thats not a knock on samuels, just my opinion. Overall, I don't mind our line, so long as its healthy. I think we should draft 2 O-lineman.

As for WR situation, frankly, Moss is injury prone and lacking the explosiveness that made him a star for in 2005 (his only good season), that said, I like him, and don't mind him here, but he's not an elite WR. Randel El has excellent skills, but he really only had 3 good games or so..he's not a reliable No. 2- but I would like to see him more involved.

Overall, I like our WR corps, we could use a big target, but other than that, I don't think its a major problem- our D-line, O-line depth and lack of free safety are...

TheMalcolmConnection 12-04-2007 08:36 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
Roy Schuening, OG, Oregon State

BEAST.

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MTK 12-04-2007 09:20 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
My short list:

-Cut Lloyd (I know it's a given, I just can't wait for it to happen)

-Upgrade the WR corps. Moss is injured too often to be counted on as a #1. I would bring back Caldwell and McCardell (if he wants to play again).

-Replace Sean Taylor. Huge task I know, but I'm not convinced that we have his replacement on the roster currently.

-Keep the staff together for one more season. Injuries, a first year starter at QB, and now Taylor's death have been major obstacles this season. I'm not totally absolving the coaches, but I do think that they have faced some pretty major hurdles this season. Snyder won't fire Gibbs... Gibbs pretty much controls his own destiny here.

-Overall... minimize any changes. No need to panic and go on a free agent spending spree, and there's also no need to panic and blow up the roster.

BleedBurgundy 12-04-2007 09:29 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72;388592]My short list:

-Cut Lloyd (I know it's a given, I just can't wait for it to happen)

-Upgrade the WR corps. Moss is injured too often to be counted on as a #1. I would bring back Caldwell and McCardell (if he wants to play again).

-Replace Sean Taylor. Huge task I know, but I'm not convinced that we have his replacement on the roster currently.

-Keep the staff together for one more season. Injuries, a first year starter at QB, and now Taylor's death have been major obstacles this season. I'm not totally absolving the coaches, but I do think that they have faced some pretty major hurdles this season. Snyder won't fire Gibbs... Gibbs pretty much controls his own destiny here.

-Overall... minimize any changes. No need to panic and go on a free agent spending spree, and there's also no need to panic and blow up the roster.[/QUOTE]

I don't think a free-agent spending spree is even a viable option. We're not going to have the cap room to go after multiple big names. Which isn't a bad thing, it forces us to build through the draft....

TheMalcolmConnection 12-04-2007 09:34 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[quote=Mattyk72;388592]My short list:

-Cut Lloyd (I know it's a given, I just can't wait for it to happen)

-Upgrade the WR corps. Moss is injured too often to be counted on as a #1. I would bring back Caldwell and McCardell (if he wants to play again).

[I][B] -Replace Sean Taylor. Huge task I know, but I'm not convinced that we have his replacement on the roster currently.[/B][/I]

-Keep the staff together for one more season. Injuries, a first year starter at QB, and now Taylor's death have been major obstacles this season. I'm not totally absolving the coaches, but I do think that they have faced some pretty major hurdles this season. Snyder won't fire Gibbs... Gibbs pretty much controls his own destiny here.

-Overall... minimize any changes. No need to panic and go on a free agent spending spree, and there's also no need to panic and blow up the roster.[/quote]

I agree there, but I feel like next year no matter who plays there, it's going to be the most scrutinized position on the team. I'd HATE to have to play in that position.

Weirdly enough, the S from Miami is supposed to be Sean Taylor Jr. (Kenny Phillips) but I can't imagine how it would be to come FROM Miami and THEN play in ST's spot.

12thMan 12-04-2007 10:05 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
Any chance Long will be there in the middle of the first round?

BleedBurgundy 12-04-2007 10:20 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
I don't think so, the latest reports I have heard said he was a projected top 10 pick.

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-04-2007 10:25 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
To be honest I would like us to make a run at Bernard Berrian at reciever or take Early Doucet in the 2nd round if available.

For the draft I would like Glenn Dorsey from LSU to be our DT and in free agency pickup Berrian, Briggs or Dansby, and if we have enough money DeAngelo Hall, or Asante Samuel.

irish 12-04-2007 10:27 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
I am hopin that the words chaos & confusion wont be synonomous with the Skin's coaching staff.

SmootSmack 12-04-2007 10:27 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;388670]To be honest I would like us to make a run at Bernard Berrian at reciever or take Early Doucet in the 2nd round if available.

For the draft I would like Glenn Dorsey from LSU to be our DT and in free agency pickup Berrian, Briggs or Dansby, and if we have enough money DeAngelo Hall, or Asante Samuel.[/QUOTE]

There actually were some rumblings back in October about a trade being made for Hall. It wasn't on the Redskins side though, the Falcons were trying to push it.

BleedBurgundy 12-04-2007 10:28 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=SmootSmack;388674]There actually were some rumblings back in October about a trade being made for Hall. It wasn't on the Redskins side though, the Falcons were trying to push it.[/QUOTE]

Who did they want in return?

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
Who or what did they want in return 2nd rounder would you all be ok with that?

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-04-2007 10:32 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
I would give up a second rounder for DeAngelo Hall.

BleedBurgundy 12-04-2007 10:36 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
Second rounder for a proven starter? Yeah, I'd be fine with that. The guy is still relatively young.

BDBohnzie 12-04-2007 10:39 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
On Offense: Grab a young QB in the later rounds, sign veteran backup; Cut Lloyd, Get a solid #2 to take pressure off of ARE and allow him to play in the slot; Resign Kendall to a modest contract, draft depth for O-Line

On Defense: Draft/Sign #1 CB to replace Springs; draft/sign pass rusher(s); new safety, whether to replace Taylor or Landry (if Landry takes over Free Safety spot)

Consistency is the key. Do not rock the boat too much and upgrade where needed.

Howie's boy Chris Long will be a top 5-7 pick...

xkaotikx 12-04-2007 10:43 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=SmootSmack;388533]Since Matty has officially declared us out of the playoffs, I have lost all hope and am ready to look ahead to 2008 (no seriously, I still have a glimmer of hope. But that's just how I roll)

Anyhow, 2007 aside, let's assume for a minute that it actually matters who is on the roster, here is my wish list for each position in 2008

QB: Keep Campbell as the starter. He's on the verge of greatness. Say thank you to Brunell and Collins and send them on their way. Draft a QB later (6th, 7th round), and pick up some veteran free agent to be a #2. For a minimum salary

RB: It's fine, leave it alone

TE: It's fine, leave it alone

WR: Love Randle El, but I bump him back down to #3 receiver. I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Caldwell when he's out there and I think he should be at least the #2 WR on the team. If not for the public relations nightmare that it would be, I'd say put Moss on the market and see what you can get for him. But that would be a pr disaster so he stays. I like KM as the #4 for a veterans minimum. Might be time to say thanks and see ya to James Thrash

OL: Major changes needed here. Firt off, I have no problem with the opening day lineup we had this year (Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen). But we need some young depth, besides Heyer. I use our 2nd and 3rd round picks on an OT and a G (Eric Young maybe?)

K: Bring in competition for Suisham. But I like him

P: Not happy with Frost lately, his line drive punts are killing us. I want a change there

LB: Rocky and Fletch were great this year, and Rocky at least seems to have a long, bright future with us. A little worried about Washington's injuries. I like the depth Blades gives us. But Khary Campbell is a special teamer at best, and Godfrey-while effective-isn't the long term answer here. We need OLB help. Of course Briggs is the popular choice, but I'd like to see us make a run at Karlos Dansby

DE: Two words: Justin Smith. 'Nuff said ;)

CB: Based on the available talent at the free agent and college level, I think we should draft a CB in the first round. Depending on where we draft, either Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason.

S: Laron Landry is a lock to start. Starting next to him I'm still kind of big on moving Springs there. This is all dependent on a.)if we keep him, which I hope we do, and b.)if Rogers is healthy to start the season. If Rogers isn't then I'm not keen on moving Springs out of a CB spot

So, to summarize:

[B]Subtractions:[/B]
Brunell
Collins
Thrash
Frost
Daniels
(among others)

[B]Major Additions:[/B]
Talib/Cason
Two Offensive Linemen from the draft
Justin Smith
Karlos Dansby
Late round QB

Well, those are the moves I'd lean toward making. How about you?[/QUOTE]


I'd like to see us shoot to get Donovan Darius on the team for the rest of the season and next. Sign him to a 2 year deal so we have veteran status at the FS position.

GTripp0012 12-04-2007 10:47 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;388684]I would give up a second rounder for DeAngelo Hall.[/quote]Too much money for an overrated cover guy. He's worth a 2nd, but not a 2nd and 60 million dollars.

He'd be the number one on this team, so we'd have value there, but we'd have to pay him like an elite, Deion Sanders type player. Hall isn't even close to where Deion was at this point in his career.

Hall is to corner what a lot of people think Lloyd is to receiver: overly talented, but the results are a mixed bad. In reality Lloyd isn't quite that good, but the fact that I can draw a parellel between Hall and Lloyd means its a bad idea to give a 2nd for him and then pay him.

SmootSmack 12-04-2007 10:49 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;388676]Who did they want in return?[/QUOTE]

They were asking for a 1st round pick allegedly

EARTHQUAKE2689 12-04-2007 10:51 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[quote=SmootSmack;388702]They were asking for a 1st round pick allegedly[/quote]


oh to hell with that then

Paintrain 12-04-2007 11:01 AM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
I may be in the vocal minority here, but I think staff changes are needed. After 4 years I don't think we are where we should/need to be. If this was 2 years ago and we were whipping teams early and losing leads late then I'd say we were learning to win. 15 2nd half leads lost since 2004, 5 this season. We're heading the wrong direction and need to make a change at the top. I think Saunders needs to stay for Campbell's continuity/development but other than that, the rest need to go.

Personnel wise, we need playmakers thru free agency or the draft at DT, DE, CB.. Go get D. Hall if the price is less than a 1st round pick.. I think Landry will explode next year to soften the loss of Taylor so a rangy-coverage FS (moving Springs?) will be fine. I'd like to see some competition brought in for Washington, I think he's nearing the end due to injuries..

At WR I think we're ok for the most part because Saunders offense doesn't rely on a stud WR, but Cooley needs to take the next step up to become an elite TE.. Our OL, when healthy, is solid but we need to develop some young depth.. QB & RB we are fine..

xkaotikx 12-04-2007 11:05 AM

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;388709]I may be in the vocal minority here, but I think staff changes are needed. After 4 years I don't think we are where we should/need to be. If this was 2 years ago and we were whipping teams early and losing leads late then I'd say we were learning to win. 15 2nd half leads lost since 2004, 5 this season. We're heading the wrong direction and need to make a change at the top. I think Saunders needs to stay for Campbell's continuity/development but other than that, the rest need to go.

Personnel wise, we need playmakers thru free agency or the draft at DT, DE, CB.. Go get D. Hall if the price is less than a 1st round pick.. I think Landry will explode next year to soften the loss of Taylor so a rangy-coverage FS (moving Springs?) will be fine. I'd like to see some competition brought in for Washington, I think he's nearing the end due to injuries..

At WR I think we're ok for the most part because Saunders offense doesn't rely on a stud WR, but Cooley needs to take the next step up to become an elite TE.. Our OL, when healthy, is solid but we need to develop some young depth.. QB & RB we are fine..[/QUOTE]

Cooley, I believe, has established himself as an elite TE the best he could. We need a big weapon at WR and Campbell to better himself in order for Cooley to become even better. Defenses are covering Cooley because he's basically the only weapon we have on offense due to Santana Moss's injuries this season. Campbell's play has been nothing but average, I believe...if not below average. 12 TDs, 11 INTs. Too many turnovers.

BleedBurgundy 12-04-2007 11:07 AM

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RE: Campbell improving- If he works as hard as he did this past offseason and improves by the same measure, we'll be more than set at QB. He's still so young and he's making some boneheaded throws. But he does have us in position to win. He'll work hard this summer and get better. Have faith.

xkaotikx 12-04-2007 11:09 AM

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;388712]RE: Campbell improving- If he works as hard as he did this past offseason and improves by the same measure, we'll be more than set at QB. He's still so young and he's making some boneheaded throws. But he does have us in position to win. He'll work hard this summer and get better. Have faith.[/QUOTE]

I do believe that. His play is elevating, it's just not at the top yet. He's still got plenty of time to improve. Until then, our WRs need to get a top notch weapon to help him out a little more. If that means moving Randle El and Lloyd, then do it. Randle El is one of the top paid players on our team, there's no need for that.

freddyg12 12-04-2007 11:17 AM

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[quote=SmootSmack;388674]There actually were some rumblings back in October about a trade being made for Hall. It wasn't on the Redskins side though, the Falcons were trying to push it.[/quote]

As a Hokie & skins fan you might think that I would want a Hokie pro-bowler to come to DC. I do, but not DeAngelo Hall (or Vick, but that's another story).

That dude is bad news, that's why atl. was looking to get rid of him. He's a great athlete & will tackle hard too, but he's known for his selfishness & poor attitude. Not a team guy at all.

somebody compared him to b loyd - that's accurate only Hall can actually play.

In 2003 VT had a talented roster w/Hall, Kevin Jones, Lee Suggs, Earnest Wilford et al & were ranked as high as #3. The team fell apart & the defense totally tanked in some games.

Some people I know that talk to the coaches regularly said that Hall was a big part of the problem. He goes to the nfl a year later & in 04 the team improves by 3 games & loses to undefeated Auburn (w/JC at qb) in the sugar bowl.

Please Gibbs, learn from the Loyd signing! (not that there's any indication that the Skins are interested in him)

BrunellMVP? 12-04-2007 11:18 AM

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[quote=12thMan;388648]Any chance Long will be there in the middle of the first round?[/quote]

I think we'll end up with a better pick than 15ish... I like Long, but i also like the safety out of the U...not sure he'd want to come here though

MTK 12-04-2007 11:18 AM

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;388712]RE: Campbell improving- If he works as hard as he did this past offseason and improves by the same measure, we'll be more than set at QB. He's still so young and he's making some boneheaded throws. But he does have us in position to win. He'll work hard this summer and get better. Have faith.[/quote]

I agree.

I said to a friend the other day that JC is this close (holding my fingers an inch apart) from being a top QB.

He's come a long way in a short amount of time, and I think at times this year we've forgotten that and we tend to focus on the negatives. He just needs to take that final step and he will be a true franchise QB.

With another offseason of hard work he'll be much closer next year.

Bill B 12-04-2007 11:23 AM

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Here is my hope for the Redskins 1st round pick next year:

Roger Godell qoute: "With the first pick in the 2008 nfl draft the Washington Redskins select Calais Campbell - Defensive End - Miami Hurricanes"

[B]Calais Campbell*, Miami [/B]
[B]Height: 6-8. Weight: 282. [/B]
[B]40 Time: 4.77. [/B]
[B]Projected Round: Top 5 Pick. [/B]
Some of his measurables compare to Julius Peppers'. Recorded 11 sacks in 2006. He's only a rising junior, meaning he's got room to grow. That's scary because I just don't see how NFL teams, particularly ones with lesser offensive tackles, are going to contain him.

Bill B 12-04-2007 11:27 AM

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As far as trading picks I think we should not trade any more picks - why not let our cap get a little relief for once and at the same time get guys who are young and right out of college and build from within? I know that getting a big name player like a Hall could plug a hole at corner, but why not let the scouting department try to prove its worth at finding some gems in the draft? If I am not mistaken wasn't Asante Samuel taken in like the fourth round?

All I am trying to say is picks in rounds 2-4 can really contribute and they come at a relative bargain price wise - lets try this route for once and let the NFL players who "just want to get paid" go somewhere else for a change.

MTK 12-04-2007 11:32 AM

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I would keep our picks too. Hopefully Gibbs and company have learned their lesson.

Dirtbag59 12-04-2007 12:07 PM

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I wish we could finish games.

12thMan 12-04-2007 01:00 PM

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;388721]I think we'll end up with a better pick than 15ish... I like Long, but i also like the safety out of the U...not sure he'd want to come here though[/quote]


How come you don't think the safety from the U will come here?

BringBackJoeT 12-04-2007 02:52 PM

Re: My Redskins Wish List
 
[QUOTE=Bill B;388728]Here is my hope for the Redskins 1st round pick next year:

Roger Godell qoute: "With the first pick in the 2008 nfl draft the Washington Redskins select Calais Campbell - Defensive End - Miami Hurricanes"

[B]Calais Campbell*, Miami [/B]
[B]Height: 6-8. Weight: 282. [/B]
[B]40 Time: 4.77. [/B]
[B]Projected Round: Top 5 Pick. [/B]
Some of his measurables compare to Julius Peppers'. Recorded 11 sacks in 2006. He's only a rising junior, meaning he's got room to grow. That's scary because I just don't see how NFL teams, particularly ones with lesser offensive tackles, are going to contain him.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone believe Montgomery, Golston or Wilson have a chance of eventually making an impact in this league? Or all they all evidence of how thin our D-line is?

mooby 12-04-2007 02:56 PM

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Wilson is just a pass rusher at this point, he still needs time to develop into an every down defensive end. Golston and Montgomery still need to develop too. As for offensive tackle, I think we should give Heyer time to grow, he's impressed me so far because he was an undrafted rookie and he's managed to get this far.

MTK 12-04-2007 03:37 PM

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;388817]Does anyone believe Montgomery, Golston or Wilson have a chance of eventually making an impact in this league? Or all they all evidence of how thin our D-line is?[/quote]

I think Montgomery has been impressive and he's come a long way in a very short period of time. Golston appears to be a solid guy in a rotation, and Wilson has shown promise as a 3rd down pass rusher.

We're certainly sitting a lot prettier right now when compared to last year at this time as far as the defensive line goes. People were ready to slit their wrists when talking about the d-line last year, amazing where a little patience will get you, along with some smart late round drafting.


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