Why Tom Brady is a complete and utter d-bag and the Pats have no class
 

Its been an emotional week for everyone in the NFL as we mourn the death of Sean Taylor, I can't imagine what his family and friends must be going through. I know during this tragic time I shouldn't be hating so bad on somebody, but I feel it necessary to do so because this person is just an inconsiderate, self-centered, smug, snobby, degenerate... I could probably go on and on. I'm talking about Tom Brady.

Yes, he is a tremendous quarterback with all the tools to be considered one of the best. But in my mind and I think in many other people's minds, it takes more than just talent to be considered one of the best. Michael Vick has amazing talent as a quarterback as well, but in turn he is a foolish scumbag who brutally funds, gambles, and probably participated in the cruel fighting and execution of innocent dogs. Many agree that guys like Joe Montana, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, etc., the list could go on and on, all have a lot of class along with being Hall Of Fame quarterbacks.

Tom Brady, on the other hand, to me has no class at all. He consistenly cries to the referees about possible phantom holds, push-offs, and all kinds of fouls. This so ironic because the Patriots got so many calls in tonight's game against the Ravens that it wasn't funny. Now the personal fouls after the winning touchdown were very unnessecary, but the other holding penalties could of been called at any time. The Patriots had 4 penalties for 30 yards, one false start that saved their game. The Ravens had 13 for 100 yards. Patriots played some near-perfect ball didn't they? It seems the refs gave the game to the pats. And then Belichek and brady have the nerve to say we fought our hearts out and our guys never gave up. Thats good to say if you weren't handed the game. And they also run the score up on people, remember the Redskins game not too long ago. I don't think any other coach in the nfl would ever of done that, they have some class. He might as well spit in Joe Gibbs face that night.

But you know what really makes me angry. I watched the Belichek and
Brady press conference's after the game and I swear I don't remember either of those pretentious fools saying anything about the trajedy that was the Sean Taylor murder. How freaking classless and selfish is that? It probably tops the board. You'd think the two highest regarded people at their position would try to build their image by at least making one little comment, but all they can talk about is how their team fought back. I remember tons of people who barely even knew Sean Taylor expressing their emotion and mourning his loss. But not perfect Belichek and Brady. It sickens me. I cant stand it.

I will tell everyone on this message board that I will be the biggest Jets, Bills, Dolphins, and Steelers fan when they play the patriots. I'll root for anyone who plays them, probably not the cowboys, as long as new england doesn't make the superbowl. I hope journalists who have more of an impact then me actually write something, be bold, do it on national tv. Look what imus did and he's back. I hope everybody roots against the selfish, classless, and cheating team as much as me. Oh yeah I forgot to mention the spygate deal. O well I'm tired of writing. I just felt I had to write this book (man it really is a book) to show my feelings.

Go Redskins, i'll root for you forever, Joe Gibbs you are still the man. RIP Sean Taylor. You in all of our hearts. My prayers go out to you family and friends.

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It would have been nice if they had said something, but I didn't expect them to and I don't think they're awful for failing to do so. I do hate them for being arrogant punks. Tom Brady is such a smug pretty boy.

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I totally agree, good post. I can't stand the pats at all. Also did you see Rodney Harrison get in coach Billicks face, isn't that a flag?? Taunting anyone!!!!!! I guess that only counts if your London Fletcher and between the hashes. Complete BS

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Sean Taylor's death and the game between the Ravens n Patriots have nothing in common. If a reporter asked them about Sean (it would probably inappropriate after the as well) then they would probably say something. But to bring up the topic about Taylor after a hard fought victory and asking them to comment about it is not fair. They played a though game and barely came out with the win. Regardless of how the game was called or how they played, a win is a win right?

And lets not put the Taylor topic in every facet of football. Life goes on and the game goes on. I am sure Taylor would want things to be the same.

And in terms of the patriots running up the score. I am sure they wanted to call a couple of new plays and see how they worked. I dont blame them for high scoring games. It should be a good thing shouldn't? Atleast for their team to score those many points.

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I'm not sure how I feel about the Pats. By them not mentioning anything about Taylor doesn't bother me too much. I'm sure some people on the team felt his loss, but they weren't the ones with a mic in front of them.
They are a good football club, playing great football. The only difference between thier record and ours (minus the game we played against them) is that they finish the drives when they need to. Now they are cocky and can't nobody seem to slap the smirk off thier face. But, I'll be honest....If we were undefeated I would have a little smirk on my face as well.

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If they were asked I'm sure they would have said something. The game and ST's funeral are not related.

I kind off like watching the Pats now as it is great theatre. Will they win, score a ton of points, shake hands at the end? Its all comical and interesting to watch.

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i dont think brady had a 21 sticker on his helmet during pregame warmup, but the rest of the team did. dont know what thats about.

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I don't really care if those two clowns mentioned ST to be honest. If you don't feel it, don't talk about it. However, as a fan of the NFL, last night's game was pathetic. I just had the feeling that even as the Ravens outmuscled the pats all over the field, there was no way the NFL was going to let them lose. And they didn't. I'm not a big conspiracy guy but if your bullshit detector wasn't going off last night, you might want to get it checked.

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I only got to watch the last 2 minutes but they only questionable call to me was the Gafney td,he was definetly juggling it as he went out,but I think the pats would have scored anyway.I was so hoping they would overturn the call because I wanted to see how they were going to assess those 2 15 yrd penalties they said would be penalized on kickoff,I guess they would just moved them half the distance to the goal line but it would have been interesting

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[quote=Jesse E. Timmons;388555]i dont think brady had a 21 sticker on his helmet during pregame warmup, but the rest of the team did. dont know what thats about.[/quote]


I noticed that as well...thought it odd...at the same time, the redskins don't have the number of the Patriot's defensive lineman who died either...

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I think the def holding call was bullshit. If it was going the other way, no way are the Pats called for that penalty. And I hate the Ravens.

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I thought it was slanted like HELL in the Pats favor.

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[QUOTE=Jesse E. Timmons;388555]i dont think brady had a 21 sticker on his helmet during pregame warmup, but the rest of the team did. dont know what thats about.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about pregame, but I know he had it on during the game...

[IMG]http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/b001e6af-c0f5-4316-9f5d-1dcbca80b315.jpg[/IMG]

I also noticed that belicheck took off his hood and ear-muffs during the moment of silence, which probably shows more respect than those people yelling at FedEx on Sunday. I have no idea what brady did during it.

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That holding call was a little touchy, but it was holding. If you watch the ball, the safety also hits the receiver before the ball gets there, so it was a penalty either way.

If the Ravens want to blame someone, blame Bart Scott for racking up 30 yards worth of penalties on the kickoff. If they had better field position they could have gotten a FG and died.

I hate both teams. A lot. Both are in my top 5 (Dallas, Philly, NYG, Pats, Ravens) and Baltimore kept them alive. I don't think the refs called any fouls out of the ordinary. As far as Brady not having a 21 sticker, that sounds like an equipment manager deal, not a Brady deal. These guys aren't tossing stickers on their own helmets.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;388575]I thought it was slanted like HELL in the Pats favor.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. Someone agrees with me. I don't know for sure but i think I remember noticing at the time that the defensive holding flag didn't come out until after it was obvious it was going to be incomplete.

I don't think the NFL "fixes" games per se, but I think it's possible that they communicate who they'd like to see win...and the officials have that in the back of their minds.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;388582][B]That holding call was a little touchy, but it was holding. If you watch the ball, the safety also hits the receiver before the ball gets there, so it was a penalty either way.[/B]

If the Ravens want to blame someone, blame Bart Scott for racking up 30 yards worth of penalties on the kickoff. If they had better field position they could have gotten a FG and died.

I hate both teams. A lot. Both are in my top 5 (Dallas, Philly, NYG, Pats, Ravens) and Baltimore kept them alive. I don't think the refs called any fouls out of the ordinary. As far as Brady not having a 21 sticker, that sounds like an equipment manager deal, not a Brady deal. These guys aren't tossing stickers on their own helmets.[/QUOTE]

by the letter of the rules, yes it was a penalty, but the Refs were calling it loose for the Pats all night long. Again, I dislike both teams, I have no bias but, to me, there was a big difference in how the rules were applied to each team.

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I really don't care what they said or didn't say after the game. They certainly were not obligated to say anything at all.

As for the game I thought the refs really took the game out of the Ravens hands at the end. Even Moss said that they weren't calling things all game long, and only at the end did they call that critical holding call.

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And isn't there some sort of directive towards the officials that in crunch time they're supposed to let them play a bit more? I could've swore I've heard that before...

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[quote]by the letter of the rules, yes it was a penalty, but the Refs were calling it loose for the Pats all night long. Again, I dislike both teams, I have no bias but, to me, there was a big difference in how the rules were applied to each team.[/quote]
Still, the safety hit the player before the ball got there. It would have been a penalty either way. You didn't address that. I didn't see the whole game, but at the same time, the Ravens are one of the most penalized teams in the NFL for a reason. They wanted the be physical with the pats, and that's going to draw fouls.

[quote]And isn't there some sort of directive towards the officials that in crunch time they're supposed to let them play a bit more? I could've swore I've heard that before...[/quote]
I think this depends on the ref crew. To be honest, if I were a player consistency would be my main concern.

I know it sounds like I'm trying to defend the Pats, but I really do hate them! I just think the Ravens shot themselves in the foot a bunch of times. I mean, the TO was called before the snap, the false start happened before the snap, and I feel there were two penalties on the big play in question, although one was a little touchy but holding by rules.

As far as the Gaffney catch, I think it was good. Looked like he was just shifting arms. The ball never looked loose at any point to me. He seemed to have control of it, just changed arms. I think that was the type of play that doesn't get overturned regardless of how it's called.

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The gaffney catch was undoubtedly a catch. I think that was one where it looks slightly debatable when slowed down but if you watch it at full speed, there's really no question.

Regarding the safety making contact before the ball arrived: To me (and i haven't watched the replay this morning so maybe i am wrong) I thought the safety was making a play on the ball, in which case incidental contact is ok.

The other point is that the Pats got away with that physical db play for years, now they're undefeated and when a team plays them the way the pats play everyone else, it's called. I don't know, I didn't think that the ball was catchable anyway and I didn't think that needed to be called. My main point is even if it could have gone either way, I think it was pretty shady.

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I have a rules question from last night for you guys..... especially after the debacal of us calling two timeouts on Sunday. (I continue to be amazed by the lack of knowledge concerning the rules!) Here it is...... after the Ravens got mad at the end of the game and had all of those personal fouls which allowed the Pats to kickoff from the Raven's 30 yardline, why did the Pats kicker kick it out of the end zone and give the Ravens the ball at the 20? Would he not have been better served to kick it out of bounds? Don't the rules say that if you kick it out of bounds the other team gets it 30 yards from the place you kicked off? That would have been the 1 yard line or at least half the distance to the goal, the 10 yard line? What am I missing here. Does a special team coach not know this?

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I agree with many people here that think the game was slanted in the Pats favor, but I heard and interesting thought on Mike & Mike this morning. They were saying that big stars do occasionally get preferential treatment when it relates to calls, and that it applies to all sports. How often did Jordan push off to get a clean shot at a jumper? How many times have you seen Shaq bang into someone, and not get called for a foul? And it applies to baseball too. Batters with a "good eye" get called balls that would be called strikes for lesser batters.

So I do think the Pats got a couple of iffy calls in their favor yesterday, but I find it hard to believe that it's some league wide conspiracy. That would require far too many people and involve far too much risk to be viable.

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[quote=scowan;388625]I have a rules question from last night for you guys..... especially after the debacal of us calling two timeouts on Sunday. (I continue to be amazed by the lack of knowledge concerning the rules!) Here it is...... after the Ravens got mad at the end of the game and had all of those personal fouls which allowed the Pats to kickoff from the Raven's 30 yardline, why did the Pats kicker kick it out of the end zone and give the Ravens the ball at the 20? Would he not have been better served to kick it out of bounds? Don't the rules say that if you kick it out of bounds the other team gets it 30 yards from the place you kicked off? That would have been the 1 yard line or at least half the distance to the goal, the 10 yard line? What am I missing here. Does a special team coach not know this?[/quote]

I think you get it at the 40 no matter where the ball goes out. That's why it's always such a disaster when it happens.

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I dont see the point. Not all NFL franchises live and breathe the unfortunate passing of a TRUE REDSKIN. Because Tom Brady gets on the refs doesn't diminish the fact he is the best QB in the NFL right now and will probably go down as one of the best if not the best. Michael Jordon would always complain to the refs, does that make him a complete and utter d-bag? I think not. The guy has the fire and desire to win that I wish some of our guys would show. You are hating on the Pats because they whipped our boys so bad, it looked like a NFL team vs MIT. Why should they have to say anything about Sean, especially if no one asks them? that is just thinking the NFL should sucome to the same grief we all have felt in the last week, it is not going to happen.

I can't stand the pats at all, dispise them, but they are the best team in the NFL, and maybe best ever. The refs had nothing to do with them winning that game, the Ravens players and coaches took care of that. You should read some articles in the Baltimore and DC papers, no one is blaming the refs. How about stepping up and making a play instead of penalties??

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[quote=#56fanatic;388632]I dont see the point. Not all NFL franchises live and breathe the unfortunate passing of a TRUE REDSKIN. Because Tom Brady gets on the refs doesn't diminish the fact he is the best QB in the NFL right now and will probably go down as one of the best if not the best. Michael Jordon would always complain to the refs, does that make him a complete and utter d-bag? I think not. The guy has the fire and desire to win that I wish some of our guys would show. You are hating on the Pats because they whipped our boys so bad, it looked like a NFL team vs MIT. Why should they have to say anything about Sean, especially if no one asks them? that is just thinking the NFL should sucome to the same grief we all have felt in the last week, it is not going to happen.

I can't stand the pats at all, dispise them, but they are the best team in the NFL, and maybe best ever. [B]The refs had nothing to do with them winning that game[/B], the Ravens players and coaches took care of that. You should read some articles in the Baltimore and DC papers, no one is blaming the refs. How about stepping up and making a play instead of penalties??[/quote]

I think at the very least, that's up for debate.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;388629]I agree with many people here that think the game was slanted in the Pats favor, but I heard and interesting thought on Mike & Mike this morning. They were saying that big stars do occasionally get preferential treatment when it relates to calls, and that it applies to all sports. How often did Jordan push off to get a clean shot at a jumper? How many times have you seen Shaq bang into someone, and not get called for a foul? And it applies to baseball too. Batters with a "good eye" get called balls that would be called strikes for lesser batters.

So I do think the Pats got a couple of iffy calls in their favor yesterday, but I find it hard to believe that it's some league wide conspiracy. That would require far too many people and involve far too much risk to be viable.[/QUOTE]

I hear you but when a team is chasing perfection and there is a legitimate argument about whether or not they are the "best ever," you want each victory to feel authentic. Right or wrong, I didn't feel like the best team won yesterday...

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[quote]I didn't feel like the best team won yesterday...[/quote]
If the best team won every week, football would be boring.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;388639]If the best team won every week, football would be boring.[/QUOTE]

Stop contradicting me dammit. LOL.

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I love to watch fans get ticked off at other teams and try to find stuff to bash them for. Yes the Pats do deserve some of this but I still find it funny and find myself cheering for them because I know how much it ticks people off.

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[quote=Mattyk72;388630]I think you get it at the 40 no matter where the ball goes out. That's why it's always such a disaster when it happens.[/quote]

Matty, Check out this link... Rule number 5.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff]NFL Rules Digest: Kickoff[/url]

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My bad guess I never noticed that

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;388636]I hear you but when a team is chasing perfection and there is a legitimate argument about whether or not they are the "best ever," you want each victory to feel authentic. [/quote]

I completely agree. And the biggest example I can think of for me personally, was the Seahawks and Steelers Superbowl a few years ago. I effing despised the Seahawks, and wanted them to lose, but as the game went on, the Steelers got some iffy calls in their favor and it was a bit unsettling. Even if I completely hate a team, I don't want to see them lose if it's going to bring the integrity of the game into question.

But again, I don't think the NFL is purposely trying to engineer a perfect season for the Pats. However it does look a lot more suspicious when there's iffy calls in a close game like that.

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[QUOTE=scowan;388652]Matty, Check out this link... Rule number 5.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/kickoff]NFL Rules Digest: Kickoff[/url][/QUOTE]

That's interesting. You'd think had they known that the patriots would've tried a directional kick out of bounds inside the 10...

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I don't think it's fair to expect Brady or Belichick to bring up Taylor during a post game press conference when they're being asked questions about the game. I'm no fan of either - you would swear that they invented the forward pass with how arrogant they are.

BTW, I've been bitching about another thing all year, and I saw it go uncalled AGAIN last night. On the pass that Moss dropped for a potential TD, he gave the CB a subtle shove just before the ball arrived. Every time Moss fails to get separation, his hands are on opposing DB's, yet he's almost never called for offensive pass interference.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;388662]That's interesting. You'd think had they known that the patriots would've tried a directional kick out of bounds inside the 10...[/quote]

I guess I am wondering if you kick it out of bounds from the opponent's 30, and 30 yards down the field is the endzone, therefore maybe it is a touchback? If so then you would definitely want to try an onside kick from your opponent's 30, and kick it to their 20, if you get the onside kick... game over , if not at the very least you have chewed more time off the clock and the Ravens have it at their own 20, which is the same as a touchback. Why do I sit around and ponder these things, but it seems like Special teams coaches and head coaches do not. Late game decisions can help you win a game and knowing the rules can help as well. Someone help me with this!

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[QUOTE=scowan;388690]I guess I am wondering if you kick it out of bounds from the opponent's 30, and 30 yards down the field is the endzone, therefore maybe it is a touchback? If so then you would definitely want to try an onside kick from your opponent's 30, and kick it to their 20, if you get the onside kick... game over , if not at the very least you have chewed more time off the clock and the Ravens have it at their own 20, which is the same as a touchback. Why do I sit around and ponder these things, but it seems like Special teams coaches and head coaches do not. [B] Late game decisions can help you win a game and knowing the rules can help as well.[/B] Someone help me with this![/QUOTE]

I think we all had that little lesson reinforced this week...

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As far as the Pats kickoff from the Ravens 35...I'm honestly surprised that they didn't try an onside kick. If they don't recover, the Ravens get the ball around their own 25, which is 5 more yards than Gostkowski's kick into the stands. If they do recover, the game is definitely over, as the Ravens only had 1 timeout left and Brady would kneel 3 times to end the game.

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie;388704]As far as the Pats kickoff from the Ravens 35...I'm honestly surprised that they didn't try an onside kick. If they don't recover, the Ravens get the ball around their own 25, which is 5 more yards than Gostkowski's kick into the stands. If they do recover, the game is definitely over, as the Ravens only had 1 timeout left and [B]Brady would kneel 3 times to end the game.[/B][/QUOTE]

Or throw 3 times into the endzone to run up the score.

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[quote=scowan;388690]I guess I am wondering if you kick it out of bounds from the opponent's 30, and 30 yards down the field is the endzone, therefore maybe it is a touchback? If so then you would definitely want to try an onside kick from your opponent's 30, and kick it to their 20, if you get the onside kick... game over , if not at the very least you have chewed more time off the clock and the Ravens have it at their own 20, which is the same as a touchback. Why do I sit around and ponder these things, but it seems like Special teams coaches and head coaches do not. Late game decisions can help you win a game and knowing the rules can help as well. Someone help me with this![/quote]Kickoffs out of bounds either are placed 30 yards from the kickoff spot, or at the spot it went out of bounds. A kickoff out of bounds can never be a touchback. In the Pats case, if the kick went out between the 1-5 yard line of the Ravens, it would have been placed at the 5. Had it gone out of bounds in front of the 5, it would have been placed at the spot it went out.

An onside kick might have resulted in an in-stride recovery touchdown for Baltimore. That was about the only thing they couldn't have done there.

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I don't think the games are fixed. However, I do think there's a psychological issue with the refs calling penalties in favor of the team that they think is the better of the two. The team that is expected to win seems to get the benefit of the doubt on calls. This only usually happens with teams that have great records and have been good for more than just one year. It also seems to happen in favor of the home team a lot. It reminds me of watching MJ during all those bulls championship runs (especially the last three) where if anyone breathed on him it was a foul, but he could push off, reach, and do whatever he wanted and it was rarely called (see bryon russell in the finals).

The fact is that those teams and players ARE better than anyone else. The refs know it and I think subconsciously it affects how they call games.