How Will Collins Peform Down The Stretch???
 

I think it is possibly we can win out, but now that JC is out for 3-4 weeks at least. It gives the other teams a chance to gameplan for Collins his mobility might be a problem since we do have a banged up o-line. Last night he wasn't stepping up in the pocket and throwing the ball but then again he hasn't playing in real game speed in years so it might be a little rust. How do you think he will do down the stretch of these 3-4 weeks?

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i say go mark brunell

i just don't trust collins..

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I was watching him last night and he seemed a little slow and tends to hold onto the ball a little long (he didn't get sacked). On the positives he knows the system very well, which should help. I just worry that if pressure is applied how he would deal with it.

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I'm skeptical...like I mentioned in another thread, there is a reason this guy was a career backup...I have a feeling we might see Brunell again before the end of the season.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;390914]I was watching him last night and he seemed a little slow and tends to hold onto the ball a little long [B](he didn't get sacked).[/B] On the positives he knows the system very well, which should help. I just worry that if pressure is applied how he would deal with it.[/QUOTE]

Yea but he fumbled the ball... I just really hope he keeps it together and puts on an act like we saw last night

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Collins IS more familiar with the system and as far as other teams preparing for him ,he hasn't played enough to really be studied.

The bench curse worries me. How many times have we seen backups come in and play great(Ramsey)just to stink it up the next week.

I know my glass is half empty but after this season who's isn't.

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[quote=Ocliw;390918]Collins IS more familiar with the system and as far as other teams preparing for him ,he hasn't played enough to really be studied.
The bench curse worries me. How many times have we seen backups come in and play great(Ramsey)just to stink it up the next week.

I know my glass is half empty but after this season who's isn't.[/quote]
TO that defense..Collins has been in the league longer than Ramsey..and...He has a better coach.

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collins knows the offense as well as anyone in the league, and it showed. he knew where to put the ball all night last night, as long as he can manage the game and play within himself we have a decent shot

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[quote=pg86;390919]TO that defense..Collins has been in the league longer than Ramsey..and...He has a better coach.[/quote]
Ramsey was just the first one I thought of.There have been many others.

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[quote=Ocliw;390925]Ramsey was just the first one I thought of.There has been many others.[/quote]
Name them...lol

Jeff Hostetlier right? Who else

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[QUOTE=Ocliw;390918]Collins IS more familiar with the system and as far as other teams preparing for him ,he hasn't played enough to really be studied.

The bench curse worries me. How many times have we seen backups come in and play great(Ramsey)just to stink it up the next week.

I know my glass is half empty but after this season who's isn't.[/QUOTE]

No disrespect to you buddy but you don't have to study Collins to see he is slow and holds the ball to long.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;390927]No disrespect to you buddy but you don't have to study Collins to see he is slow and holds the ball to long.[/quote]
Yeah but look at the time the line gives him Jesus he has the time of someone waiting for a bus!

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;390927]No disrespect to you buddy but you don't have to study Collins to see he is slow and holds the ball to long.[/quote]
I was responding to your first post about other teams getting a chance to gameplan for him.

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[quote=pg86;390926]Name them...lol

Jeff Hostetlier right? Who else[/quote]
Aw hell,I'll get right on it.

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Big Brunell fan, but in two years he just could never grasp the nuances of this offense. Especially not compared to how Collins knows it. So we're better off without him playing.

As for Collins, I think he'll do ok but we really, really, need the running game to step up.

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Collins better have a quick release against the G-men with Umenyiora and Strahan breathing down his neck. I fear that he may be in for a long game, but I do hope that we try to exploit NY's weak defensive backfield via the pass.

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Collins is gonna take us to the playoffs and then JC is gonna take over and we go to the superbowl.

Hey, dreaming never hurt anyone, right? :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;390974]As for Collins, I think he'll do ok but we really, really, need the running game to step up.[/quote]

Considering the horrible job the line's been doing run blocking lately, I just don't see that happening...one of the reasons the running game came alive during the midpoint of the season was the passing game was clikcing at the time causing teams to back off the line...

that's what it's going to take to get the running game going again even with Randy Thomas back...

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We are going to win out with Collins at the helm. This season has what Bill Simmons would call "Ewing Theory" potential.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;390974]Big Brunell fan, but in two years he just could never grasp the nuances of this offense. Especially not compared to how Collins knows it. So we're better off without him playing.

As for Collins, I think he'll do ok but we really, really, need the running game to step up.[/QUOTE]

I'm right there w/ you SS. Brunell required a simplification of the Saunders offense AND he is probably less mobile than Collins, which really makes me wonder what some people are getting at when they point at Collins for being slow.

I also noticed TC holding the ball too long but at this point we could easily attribute that to a lack of timing/trust with receivers because they have not worked together all season. I would not be surprised if he comes out very crisp next weekend against NY. If Thomas can get back fully healthy the ground game should start to click more and less pressure put on the QB. I guess part of me is actually happy to see JC get a break here, even if it's for the rest of the season. Kid has been through a shit load this year and I've been worried his head might be swimming a bit. Mostly I'm just glad his injury wasn't MCL/ACL. Whewwwwwwww!!!!

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After Collins fumbled there was a lot of max protect or extra protection (2 backs in) for Collins. We didn't spread it out w/3 or 4 wr's much if any. Compare that to when JC was in there, and for that matter all season. Buffalo kept bringing an extra man but we kept sending everyone out on patterns. JC got hit a lot in that game.

I expect to see quite a bit of max protect w/2 wr's out in pattern. The g-men corners - Madison & Allen - have played better this year than I thought they could, but given time we'll get open. I think we can frustrate their front 4 & wear out their secondary in the 2nd half.

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I think right now, I'd feel more comfortable with Collins in as QB than MB. However, that could change if Collins stinks it up in the first of our next game. Speaking of max protection, I think we will see more of that and less of a spread offense. With JC in there, he had the mobility to get out of danger and make plays. Not so much with Collins and Brunell. Therefore, look to see more passes to Cooley and Yoder and less to Moss and ARE.

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Positives:
-Besides Saunders he knows this offense better than anyone.
-Because of his knowledge of the offense he tends to get rid of the ball quickly and he seems to have a nice touch and accuracy on his throws

Negatives:
-He's been a career backup for a reason
-Not much mobility
-Not much arm strength

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[quote=Mattyk72;391070]Positives:
-Besides Saunders he knows this offense better than anyone.
-Because of his knowledge of the offense he tends to get rid of the ball quickly and he seems to have a nice touch and accuracy on his throws

Negatives:
-He's been a career backup for a reason
-Not much mobility
-Not much arm strength[/quote]
Those are some huge positives...and yeah sure he's a backup for a reason..but then I think gee I used to say that about jeff garcia until last year!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;391070]Positives:
-Besides Saunders he knows this offense better than anyone.
-Because of his knowledge of the offense he tends to get rid of the ball quickly and he seems to have a nice touch and accuracy on his throws

Negatives:
-He's been a career backup for a reason
-Not much mobility
-Not much arm strength[/QUOTE]

I do feel the lack of arm strength will cause a big problem. JC could get it down field for big gains.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;391331]I do feel the lack of arm strength will cause a big problem. JC could get it down field for big gains.[/quote]

Thats where the WRs have to step it up. They know TC can't hurl it down the field, they gotta get open and when they get the ball, get the dancing feet on and get downfield.

Team effort!

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;391331]I do feel the lack of arm strength will cause a big problem. JC could get it down field for big gains.[/quote]

True, but I'm thinking that Collins could end up being more efficient in the short to intermediate range.

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[quote=Mattyk72;391352]True, but I'm thinking that Collins could end up being more efficient in the short to intermediate range.[/quote]

I agree. When that offense was clicking in KC they didn't even have a deep threat WR on the roster most of the time and they still steamrolled teams. I know Todd wasn't starting, but my point is the deep pass wasn't a big factor at all and they had a ton of success regardless. They also had an offensive line that was playing as good as any team in football. I think Collins could do well against a very average Giants secondary, provided the O-line steps up. They protected him well on Thursday for the most part, but they've stunk it up pretty bad lately. And the Giants get after the QB like crazy.

Hey, imagine if we win out, make the playoffs, Collins plays amazingly, and when Campbell is healthy for the 1st playoff game we have a full-blown QB controversy??:)

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I'm sure all of us are hoping Thursday's performance of Collins was not all luck. I feel that since he has a great understanding of the offense, he can get the ball out on blitzes because he knows where the ball is suppose to go for hot reads. Do our receivers know? I have a feeling if this offense is not successful next week, it is not just Collins, but maybe a receiver not reading the correct route based on what the defense is giving. I hope all goes well.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;391331]I do feel the lack of arm strength will cause a big problem. JC could get it down field for big gains.[/quote]
Maybe JC could throw the long ball but how long has it been sense he threw a completed long pass.

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[QUOTE=CPAlltheWay012;390912]i say go mark brunell

i just don't trust collins..[/QUOTE]

Very well. Surprised at how negative the Redskins fans are on this board after the game Collins had.

But that is what I expected of Collins. I am Bills fan and think that getting rid of Collins was the worst move I had ever seen by this franchise, giving up picks to get the unproven Johnson, wasting millions of dollars, and setting us back for years. Collins would still be starting in Buffalo if the Bills hadn't blown it. I believe he would have been a pro bowl caliber quarterback.

During his 2nd year in the league he had to play (when Kelly was hurt) for three weeks, and Collins played great football--extremely accurate, fearless in the pocket, and smart with the football.

The next year he started and, I feel, played very well in the first part of the season, including leading the Bills to one of the biggest comebacks in NFL history. He was the victim of very poor decsions (and coaching) by the Bills.

I can only tell you what he [I]looked like [/I]ten years ago, but here it is:

[B]Collins has excellent arm strength and has a great long ball. [/B]His passes are very crisp and seem easy to catch as they are well placed.

[B]He is very accurate[/B]. I believe he held the Michigan record for accuracy. he has shown it in the preseason on a regular basis. He will show that same accuracy when given a chance in the NFL.

[B]He is unflappable in the pocket, was ever since he started those 3 games in his second year.[/B] In responses to this post I have read that he holds on to the ball too long. Well, maybe, but he is always looking down the field and going through his progressions, until he is out of time. That is what you want in a quarterback. He won't take a lot of bad plays though, gets rid of the ball or runs.

[B]And he moves well, in the pocket and out of it if need be[/B]. He has good pocket presence and because of his athleticism and intelligence he is able to get away from pressure.

[B]Very intelligent and you see it in his football.[/B]


I remember sitting in Rich Stadium and after a few nice long balls from Collins the old guy in front of me said he throws like Johhny Unitas. I agreed.

Hey, better late than ever. This is your quarterback of the future, even at 36

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[quote=onlycollinsfaninBuf;391903]Very well. Surprised at how negative the Redskins fans are on this board after the game Collins had.

But that is what I expected of Collins. I am Bills fan and think that getting rid of Collins was the worst move I had ever seen by this franchise, giving up picks to get the unproven Johnson, wasting millions of dollars, and setting us back for years. Collins would still be starting in Buffalo if the Bills hadn't blown it. I believe he would have been a pro bowl caliber quarterback.

During his 2nd year in the league he had to play (when Kelly was hurt) for three weeks, and Collins played great football--extremely accurate, fearless in the pocket, and smart with the football.

The next year he started and, I feel, played very well in the first part of the season, including leading the Bills to one of the biggest comebacks in NFL history. He was the victim of very poor decsions (and coaching) by the Bills.

I can only tell you what he [I]looked like [/I]ten years ago, but here it is:

[B]Collins has excellent arm strength and has a great long ball. [/B]His passes are very crisp and seem easy to catch as they are well placed.

[B]He is very accurate[/B]. I believe he held the Michigan record for accuracy. he has shown it in the preseason on a regular basis. He will show that same accuracy when given a chance in the NFL.

[B]He is unflappable in the pocket, was ever since he started those 3 games in his second year.[/B] In responses to this post I have read that he holds on to the ball too long. Well, maybe, but he is always looking down the field and going through his progressions, until he is out of time. That is what you want in a quarterback. He won't take a lot of bad plays though, gets rid of the ball or runs.

[B]And he moves well, in the pocket and out of it if need be[/B]. He has good pocket presence and because of his athleticism and intelligence he is able to get away from pressure.

[B]Very intelligent and you see it in his football.[/B]


I remember sitting in Rich Stadium and after a few nice long balls from Collins the old guy in front of me said he throws like Johhy Unitas. I agreed.

Hey, better late than ever. This is your quarterback of the future, even at 36[/quote]

Welcome to the board! Nice to know there's at least one Collins fan out there.

To address some of your points, we're not all negative. I was impressed as all hell with Collins the other night, I had no idea he had that in him. I'm hoping it wasn't a one time thing, if he can keep playing at that level the Skins will have a good shot at winning out.

I agree that he's accurate but I think his arm strength isn't what it once may have been. Some of his passes floated a bit, but to his credit they were on target.

He did look very cool in the pocket and he definitely knows the offense inside and out. I'm actually more optimistic about these last 3 games with Collins in there than I would have been with Campbell believe it or not.

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[quote=Mattyk72;391070]Positives:
-Besides Saunders he knows this offense better than anyone.
-[B]Because of his knowledge of the offense he tends to get rid of the ball quickly and he seems to have a nice touch and accuracy on his throws[/B]

Negatives:
-He's been a career backup for a reason
-Not much mobility
-Not much arm strength[/quote]

i agree, glad someone said this. reading thru this thread everyone is saying TC holds onto the ball too long but to me its the opposite. JC would hold onto the ball and not throw it until a receiver is open and looking at him. with TC it seems he gets rid of the ball quicker and more on-time for saunders precision timing routes. the second a reciever is in open space the ball has already left TC's hands where as with JC the second the receiver is open thats when he starts his wind up.

plus TC made some great hot route blitz reads in the bears game, but he does float that ball out there which is a problem.

ps - im support campbell 100% but he has to learn from collins if this saunders type passing game is going to be fluid.

qoute from moss about watching collins in practice- "I just watch how fluent he is when he runs the offense."

go skins!

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[QUOTE=firstdown;391528]Maybe JC could throw the long ball but how long has it been sense he threw a completed long pass.[/QUOTE]

Well I guess he hasn't thrown any 30+ or 40+ passes lately, but it's the fact of the matter that they know he can throw deep keep the defense honest. If I was the opponent I would put 8 in the box eliminating the short passes & running game. Make TC throw the 15+ passes but I do feel TC will do well.

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As far as a knock on Collins throwing the longball, You don't really need the really long ball if you can throw a 15-20 yard pass that hits the WR or TE in stride for YAC. That is my personal knock on Campbell. Campbell has not been accurate enough this year for a receiver to "continue" the play because all of the receivers are jumping or streching just to make the catch. Several of Collins passes against the Bears went for extra yardage, because the receivers could catch them on the run and continue the play. That is big to me. Accuracy is more important than arm strength.