Ogunleye chances back now?
 

Williams retired.bostons out for season,they need offense and we have gardener to give away.How does that sound gardener for wale or gardener and betts for wale?

We have Gardener to give away? No we don't!!! He's a proven 1000 yard catcher no one else on the roster besides Coles is. No my friend, the season is upon us and we don't have Gardener to give away.

man what did Miami ever do to deserve this??

i'd be more than willing to trade 50/50 for Ogun now that they need a reciever, but i'd imagine Ogun is Miami's best asset right now, and they'd save it for a back since their offense/playbook is more tuned to that than passing.

At this point in the offseason i think Gibbs is smart enough to leave the team intact, hes not dumb like danny

The guy want's a max contract, I don't see how we could sign him.

[QUOTE=saden1]We have Gardener to give away? No we don't!!! He's a proven 1000 yard catcher no one else on the roster besides Coles is. No my friend, the season is upon us and we don't have Gardener to give away.[/QUOTE]

I've been saying since day one that we should make this trade (it will take a draft pick too). And now, Miami has even more reason to be interested.

1. Gibbs is definitely interested in Wale - too many rumors for it not to be so.

2. Gardner drops too many passes - and it ALWAYS seems to be in a key (3rd down) situation. He will be on the bench by week 4 - get something for him!!

3. Ogunleye has proven to be a premier pass rusher. The Redskins DEFINITELY need one. If you don't believe it, read what ALL of the "experts" say (both PRO Skins and ANTI Skins). That is a real problem area for the team.

4. WR is our only "overstocked" position. (Don't count TE - none of them have any drawing power). Depth is nice, but NOT at the expense of leaving another key position weak.

5. Someone said we can't afford him. One of the Redskins' typical backloaded contracts will do the job. Gardner's trade opens up over $1M this year, more next. And the final roster has not yet been decided...

plus we will get the money back for Walt Harris. We could afford him, I dont knwo if getting rid of Gardner is the best move though, Coles could go down at anytime with his toe. Jacobs is injured all the time, thrash is not a starting receiver.. that would leave us with that, McCants and Thrash at 1 and 2 if we trade Gardner and Coles goes down? Not a situation I want to be in. Expeciallsy ien out linebackers seem to be getting a lot of pressure.

I don't like the idea of giving up Gardner right when he is developing into a quality WR. I look for him to be in the Monk roll. While Coles will be in the Clark roll. Wale would be a great addition but I would rather trade next years #1 pick and let them find another WR or RB with that.

I don't see Gibbs making a move this late in the offseason.

[QUOTE=Dana87]I don't like the idea of giving up Gardner right when he is developing into a quality WR. I look for him to be in the Monk roll. While Coles will be in the Clark roll. Wale would be a great addition but I would rather trade next years #1 pick and let them find another WR or RB with that.[/QUOTE]

No way you get him for a #1 now. What is their motivation? They have needs now and Wannstadt's job is on the line. They have cap room now to sign him if they do'n use him to fill a more pressing need. They will either sign him or trade him for some immediate offensive help. I think it will be the latter. Probably not to the Skins, but I would love to see it. A lot of folks like to talk about us trading a shutdown CB. With a premier pass rusher added to our D (and thanks to Greg Williams), we would have a shutdown DEFENSE. With DL pressure in addition to Washington and Arrington, our good DB's would look like the best in the league.

bringing in a new player that would be that far behind already would be a bit hard... williams has adapted his defense already, and having a new pass rusher means changing the defense for everyone, otherwise he wouldn't be as useful... either way, i highly doubt it'll happen.

[QUOTE=That Guy]bringing in a new player that would be that far behind already would be a bit hard... williams has adapted his defense already, and having a new pass rusher means changing the defense for everyone, otherwise he wouldn't be as useful... either way, i highly doubt it'll happen.[/QUOTE]

Wow - we are only a WEEK into training camp. And we still have FIVE preseason games to play. Ramsey missed much more as an NFL rookie, which is much tougher. The season doesn't end on week one of the preseason. It's a very long haul, and our DB's are going to have a tough go of it without some DL pressure. Hey, top teams add new guys WELL INTO THE REGULAR SEASON!!! It's very early - not at all too late to fill a glaring weakness. That's why Gibbs has had talks with Miami a week or 10 days ago, and I'm betting there are more talks going on now. Of course, NOW we are having to line up with all the other NFL teams that are trying to pry him away...

right, but to use him effectively, you shouldn't just plug him in in place of a D linemen, and all the minicamps are done etc... it can be done, but every day later makes it less likely. If you going to get him and play him as if he were upshaw quality... well, that's a waste of his talent.

and ramsey's missed camp cost him, it took him a while to recover from that.

Anything could happen I guess, I just think O-Gun is a long shot.

I agree with the sentiment that we can't afford to trade Rod Gardner. Yes, Laveranues Coles could be out at any minute. His injury recovery seems fragile and I think he might have been wise to get that surgery.

I think that adding a player like Ogunleye is more likely after the season. We don't have to solve all of our problems in one year and if we try to hard to do so, we may hurt ourselves in the long run.

[QUOTE=That Guy] and ramsey's missed camp cost him, it took him a while to recover from that.[/QUOTE]

big difference between what a qb needs to know before performing well and what a d-lineman needs to know so it wouldn't be nearly as hard to plug him in in the next week or so as some people r making it seem. boston's injury definitely opens the door for a trade again, I just hope it doesn't involve next year's 1st rounder cuz next years draft I think will be deeper than this year's especially on the defensive side.

I kinda think they'd be more into a good RB, or that they'd be able to get a better WR than gardner... their QBs suck and they're existing game plans are for a power back, so that seems more logical...

There's no way Miami would trade their young star DE for above average "50/50" WR Rod Gardner. Good DEs are a lot more valuable than WRs like Gardner because there aren't as many of them. If Miami makes a trade, it's more likely that they'll go after RBs like Travis Henry or Willis McGahee or someone with real star potential. Regardless I'd like to see more of McCants as the Redskins' possession receiver and I hope he steps up.

I really don't see anyone trading for O-Gun because at this point in the season HC are focusing on thier own teams to get their chosen players working. A trade at this point in the season for such a key player would be extremly disruptive and not much upside. Remember O-Gun has not been working out with the Dolphins for ever he may not be ready to contribute to any extecnt week 3 or 4 .

Also players are giving up on Gardner too soon rember he has been 2 years in the Spurrier joke and really was not what SS considered a WR should be .

[QUOTE=That Guy]I kinda think they'd be more into a good RB, or that they'd be able to get a better WR than gardner... their QBs suck and they're existing game plans are for a power back, so that seems more logical...[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say their QBs suck, not Fiedler at least. He's not spectacular but he wins. But I do agree that they would be targeting a RB more. You can sort of make the argument that they never really lost Boston since he had never played a down for them (that make any sense? I just woke up), but they did have Ricky Williams last year and now they don't so they have to replace him

[QUOTE=Ghost]There's no way Miami would trade their young star DE for above average "50/50" WR Rod Gardner. Good DEs are a lot more valuable than WRs like Gardner because there aren't as many of them. If Miami makes a trade, it's more likely that they'll go after RBs like Travis Henry or Willis McGahee or someone with real star potential. Regardless I'd like to see more of McCants as the Redskins' possession receiver and I hope he steps up.[/QUOTE]

while I agree they're also looking for a rb, don't discount them going for a solid #2 wr whose shown flashes of #1 wr capabilities to pair up with Chambers cuz teams do some risky things when desperate and the phins right now r as desperate as u could get. and there's no way a trade would happen between in division opponents where one team gets a solid starting rb and the other gets an upper end pass rushing de.
I think something thats been left out in this argument is with all the bad publicity the phins have gotten this past offseason(hiring dan marino then him quitting less than a week later cuz he didn't want to be just a figurehead, ogunleye stting out, Williams retiring, and now their most physically gifted wr is out for the year), the phins fo might feel like they need to try to make some type of positive splash before the season starts and that could easily be either to trade away a prized commodity who doesn't want to be there unless the money's right(ogun) for a rb or wr or both.

I think our depth at WR is what's going to help us win the NFC East. The glaring weakness in the toughest division in the NFL is lack of depth at CB for all teams. Thrash vs any nickle or dime is golden for us, and having 3 solid CBs (if Harris gets healthy) will help our pass rush with Arrington back at WLB and a more aggresive def. coordinator.

Leave things as is, we can win like this. Besides, O-gun seems to not be a team guy, just a 'me' guy to hold out like this. Let Arrington lead this defense to the Superbowl.

[QUOTE=kingerock]I think our depth at WR is what's going to help us win the NFC East. The glaring weakness in the toughest division in the NFL is lack of depth at CB for all teams. Thrash vs any nickle or dime is golden for us, and having 3 solid CBs (if Harris gets healthy) will help our pass rush with Arrington back at WLB and a more aggresive def. coordinator.

Leave things as is, we can win like this. Besides, O-gun seems to not be a team guy, just a 'me' guy to hold out like this. Let Arrington lead this defense to the Superbowl.[/QUOTE]
I agree we can win with our current team but he would fix one of if not our biggest weakness on d. And there's nothing wrong with being a player who has perfomed at a high level consistently wanting to be paid what he's worth in NFL money. And I don't believe he's even under contract right now and in the nfl u have to look out for yourself money wise cuz the teams more than likely aren't gonna be there for u after u get hurt or used up.
the first 6-7 games of the year while he sits out will help show everyone whether he is the product of having jason taylor on the other end or if he and taylor aren't that far apart in talent.

and another thing that makes this injury suck for the phins that I didn't know until reading an article about it on yahoo, but boston was done to 228lbs and that would have been one of if not the best wr combo in the league with chambers teaming up with boston having his head on straight and him being in shape(speed wise, dude's always gonna be ripped). cuz we all saw what he could do with the cardinals when he was in incredible shape and focused and let me tell u I wasn't upset one bit when he went to the afc, lol.

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]and another thing that makes this injury suck for the phins that I didn't know until reading an article about it on yahoo, but boston was done to 228lbs and that would have been one of if not the best wr combo in the league with chambers teaming up with boston having his head on straight and him being in shape(speed wise, dude's always gonna be ripped). cuz we all saw what he could do with the cardinals when he was in incredible shape and focused and let me tell u I wasn't upset one bit when he went to the afc, lol.[/QUOTE]

lol yea,when he was with the cards they were in our division

Boston was one of the few to abuse Champ on a regular basis. So much so that a resolution called Champ Protection Act was drafted in the US Senate to protect CB from predators like Boston.

boston and toomer have always had champs number. TO be fair though Champ only played Boston when he was a rookie and one year pro.

I just heard from ESPN radio that Chambers just went down with an injury.

I like Gardner, but I'd pull the trigger on this deal in a second [B]assuming[/B] that O'guns conditioning didn't go down the crapper during the offseason.

I also agree that we need to hang on to next years picks and stack the D-line.

Throw Gardner and Betts at them and see what they say.

[QUOTE=']<ing']I just heard from ESPN radio that Chambers just went down with an injury.

I like Gardner, but I'd pull the trigger on this deal in a second [B]assuming[/B] that O'guns conditioning didn't go down the crapper during the offseason.

I also agree that we need to hang on to next years picks and stack the D-line.

Throw Gardner and Betts at them and see what they say.[/QUOTE]

I just did some more searching around, and it sounds like the Chambers injury is nothing more than a strained hami.

Theredzone.Org is reporting that O'gun and the Phins are getting closer to a deal.

they are going to keep him now, they have a ton of cap space with Boston on IR and ricky gone. They also need to rely on their defense

as a side note, in madden teh skins have like 10 million in cap space.