The Mitchell report
 

Let's discuss it here, if anyone even cares.

Should be interesting to see the names but I'm not sure what it will accomplish at this point.

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I'm numb to steroids in baseball. Couldn't care less. I think my outrage hamster is way too tired from running in his outrage wheel for like five years straight.

Let em all take roids, I don't care. I'm just sick of hearing about it.

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I want to see names!

But like matty said, I don't think it will accomplish much.

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[quote=Schneed10;392662]I'm numb to steroids in baseball. Couldn't care less. I think my outrage hamster is way too tired from running in his outrage wheel for like five years straight.

Let em all take roids, I don't care. I'm just sick of hearing about it.[/quote]

I'm really tired of it too. If anything, maybe this report will put the issue to bed.

Who am I kidding? This will probably keep dragging on and on. :doh:

What annoys me in all this are the "baseball purists" that think the game and any records during that time are now tainted. Maybe it was to a degree, but get with the times, athletes in all sports will seek any competitive advantage they possibly can get away with.

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ESPN reported that Roger Clemmons name will be on the list. I think it will help Barry Bonds a little... but Bonds was an ass before the steroids, so people will hate him anyway.

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens and Yankees pitcher Andy Pettitte were the first names to emerge Thursday from the Mitchell report.

Figures. Pack of cheaters they are. Boo Yanks!

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I think everyone is going to finally see how many PITCHERS were juicing too. For so long the focus was on hitters but people in the know always remarked how the steroids probably benefitted pitchers even more.

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I hate baseball, so whatever contributes to its downfall is fine with me. Personally, I never understand how so many people had such strong feelings for such a boring ass game. Now, if the NBA can just have similar misfortune, we can worry about getting more soccer coverage stateside!

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Im not a fan of baseball, but I can't wait to see the names on there. Im just hoping its not rehashing the same people, I want to see some big names, but people I wasn't expecting!

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Agreed. Bigger they are, harder they fall! Schadenfreude all around!

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This is just Selig's way of pushing blame from his office onto the players and teams. It's incredibly ridiculous how extensive this got. Instead of going into the past, he should have been busier trying to correct the problem going forward. Selig is the guy at the top, and instead of sharing the blame, he's pointing the finger at everyone else.

And what does this report tell us? That a number of players, including those not listed in the report, did steroids or HGH at some point in their careers. At this point, who cares? It's over and done with, and since you cannot go back and test everyone at important points in their career, why waste time figuring out the past, when you can correct it going forward.

I'm still convinced baseball turned a blind eye to the abuse to counter-act the strike and bring the fans back into the seats with 20 game winners that throw 98 mph, or guys who before couldn't hit water falling out of a boat figured out how to hit many long balls for one magical season (yes I'm talking about you Brady Anderson). And now that it became a hot button issue, they are making a big deal out of it and selling out those who "took one for the team." It's a load of bullshit if you ask me.

All parties (Commissioner, Teams, Players) are to blame, however the scapegoats will be listed on this report, and the game will finally be able to move on.

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[url]http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf[/url]

That's the link to the .pdf of the Mitchell Report

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie;392742]This is just Selig's way of pushing blame from his office onto the players and teams. It's incredibly ridiculous how extensive this got. Instead of going into the past, he should have been busier trying to correct the problem going forward. Selig is the guy at the top, and instead of sharing the blame, he's pointing the finger at everyone else.

And what does this report tell us? That a number of players, including those not listed in the report, did steroids or HGH at some point in their careers. At this point, who cares? It's over and done with, and since you cannot go back and test everyone at important points in their career, why waste time figuring out the past, when you can correct it going forward.

I'm still convinced baseball turned a blind eye to the abuse to counter-act the strike and bring the fans back into the seats with 20 game winners that throw 98 mph, or guys who before couldn't hit water falling out of a boat figured out how to hit many long balls for one magical season (yes I'm talking about you Brady Anderson). And now that it became a hot button issue, they are making a big deal out of it and selling out those who "took one for the team." It's a load of bullshit if you ask me.

All parties (Commissioner, Teams, Players) are to blame, however the scapegoats will be listed on this report, and the game will finally be able to move on.[/QUOTE]

Very well put. My sentiments exactly

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Here is what I pulled from the Report that knowingly purchased either anabolics or HGH from one distributor (Names in bold are more well known):
[b]Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust[/b]
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
[b]Hal Morris[/b]
Matt Franco
[b]Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice[/b]
F.P. Santangelo
[b]Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle[/b]
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
[b]Todd Pratt[/b]
Kevin Young
[b]Mike Lansing[/b]
Cody McKay
[b]Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada[/b]
Jason Christiansen
[b]Mike Stanton[/b]
Stephen Randolph
[b]Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca[/b]
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
[b]Kevin Brown
Eric Gagné[/b]
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
[b]Howie Clark
Nook Logan[/b]

Here is the list of those who [I][B]allegedly[/B][/I] made internet purchases:
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews, Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;392700]I hate baseball, so whatever contributes to its downfall is fine with me. Personally, I never understand how so many people had such strong feelings for such a boring ass game. Now, if the NBA can just have similar misfortune, we can worry about getting more soccer coverage stateside![/quote]
So you want to replace a boring sport with one that is even more boring to watch.
Was this report paid for by tax payers of MLB? I heard it cost 65mil.

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Ahh see, futbol's near misses are just as exciting, if not more, than the goals themselves. And at 90 minutes, even the shortest of attention spans can watch and entire game.

Portuguese National Cristiano Ronaldo is a midfielder for Manchester United. And while he is well-renown diver, his dribbling skills are rarely matched:
[yt]euMu1SKi-ak[/yt]

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Where's Sosa? Not mentioned.

McGwire? Only talks about andro which was legal at the time.

The bad part we probably don't know about most of the violators. You know there are alot more that aren't named.

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I feel the same after seeing the list.

Kind of a let down. There has to have been more. George Mitchell is the worst detective ever.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;392774]Ahh see, futbol's near misses are just as exciting, if not more, than the goals themselves. And at 90 minutes, even the shortest of attention spans can watch and entire game.

Portuguese National Cristiano Ronaldo is a midfielder for Manchester United. And while he is well-renown diver, his dribbling skills are rarely matched:
[yt]euMu1SKi-ak[/yt][/quote]
Wow, that makes me want to get some of these on pay per view and watch them run up and down the field all day missing goals. I'm not knocking you and know its a big sport around the world but I cannot get into it.

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It sucks Brian Roberts is on there. He's one of my favorite players.

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Interesting and sad stuff. My firm worked on that investigation.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;392814]Wow, that makes me want to get some of these on pay per view and watch them run up and down the field all day missing goals. I'm not knocking you and know its a big sport around the world but I cannot get into it.[/QUOTE]

Do you like any sport besides football? Last two days, you've knocked soccer, boxing, and baseball.

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[quote=SmootSmack;392847]Do you like any sport besides football? Last two days, you've knocked soccer, boxing, and baseball.[/quote]

Maybe he's into cricket. Or competitive curling!

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[quote=DynamiteRave;392850]Maybe he's into cricket. Or competitive curling![/quote]


or syncronized swimming?

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the thing that bothers me the most is how much are politicians are involved in this. im damned sure our great country has more pressing issues then whose penis shrunk the most.

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I say pump everyone full of steroids and just let them go out and throw a ball and hit it with a stick until they get tired.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;392770]So you want to replace a boring sport with one that is even more boring to watch.
Was this report paid for by tax payers of MLB? I heard it cost 65mil.[/QUOTE]

I could watch a futbol every day. Have you ever watched any of the better european clubs for a full match? I used to live in Italy, the team that the town I was in followed was Juventus. Their kits were black and white striped (like a referee). I can't tell you how cool it was to sit in a local bar with 90+ italians jammed in watching a match on tv, the whole place in team colors. yeah, there's not always alot of scoring, but that's what makes the goals and near misses so exciting. You can feel the pressure build, the momentum swing and the drama of each miss so much more than in NFL games, at least to me. So, yes, I would GLADLY replace roidball and basketball.

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same story different names. tired of this crap i wish the sport would fade away

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[QUOTE=dmek25;392856]the thing that bothers me the most is how much are politicians are involved in this. im damned sure our great country has more pressing issues then whose penis shrunk the most.[/QUOTE]

Here here.

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On the Bonds thing:

Am I wrong or has Bonds been saying all along that he took the cream and the clear but didn't know they were steroids. The Mitchell report spoke of others that verified and repeated what he said. He thought it was flaxseed oil. This is what he testified in the grand jury indictment a couple years ago. So, he's on trial for lying about whether or not he knew these were steroids right? He admits to taking them.

Now whether or not you believe him is another story.

Now...Sheffield.

No news here. He's been saying this for a couple of years. I do believe him, b/c Sheff doesn't give a rats behind what anyone thinks of him. He states that he worked out w/ Bonds for an offseason (and his trainer) and used what he thought wasn't a steroid. It turned out it was the cream and the clear. You rub this on as an ointment. His relationship w/ Bonds turned quickly south b/c of this and other things and he never touched it again. So, i don't think that this guys whole career should be discounted for one mistake.

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I am so fuc#%ing sick of the roid talk. OMG STOP IT ALREADY. Everytime ESPN talks about it I just turn to NFL Network. Do they realize all they are doing is making more people want to take it? Enough already!

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See, the reason this is still around is cause nothing is being done about it. They came up with a joke of an agreement that allows the club to be notified 24 hours before tests. If you can't get all the roids out of your system in 24 hours, you're a moron.
This continues to be a huge issue because baseball allows the HORRIBLE players union to be involved in any decision on MLB's future. The players union could give two shits about the future of MLB, they are concerned about their own well being and survival. If the player union went on strike, who cares, get scabs and start over. Wipe the slate clean. This needs to be stopped, not coddled, or "slowed down". The mitchell report didn't do much, OTHER than showing the world this is not a 1 or 2 man issue, it's corrupted the entire sport.
So the real question is, what is MLB gonna do about it? Are they going to let the players union strong arm them into another horrible deal, or will they grow some nutts and stop it completely? (I bet on the former)

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[QUOTE=BDBohnzie;392742]This is just Selig's way of pushing blame from his office onto the players and teams. It's incredibly ridiculous how extensive this got. Instead of going into the past, he should have been busier trying to correct the problem going forward. Selig is the guy at the top, and instead of sharing the blame, he's pointing the finger at everyone else.

And what does this report tell us? That a number of players, including those not listed in the report, did steroids or HGH at some point in their careers. At this point, who cares? It's over and done with, and since you cannot go back and test everyone at important points in their career, why waste time figuring out the past, when you can correct it going forward.

I'm still convinced baseball turned a blind eye to the abuse to counter-act the strike and bring the fans back into the seats with 20 game winners that throw 98 mph, or guys who before couldn't hit water falling out of a boat figured out how to hit many long balls for one magical season (yes I'm talking about you Brady Anderson). And now that it became a hot button issue, they are making a big deal out of it and selling out those who "took one for the team." It's a load of bullshit if you ask me.

All parties (Commissioner, Teams, Players) are to blame, however the scapegoats will be listed on this report, and the game will finally be able to move on.[/QUOTE]

totaly agreed
this does not prove anything

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[QUOTE=chantilly101;398566]totaly agreed
this does not prove anything[/QUOTE]

Well, you really shouldn't agree, because you guys have no idea how hard the players union fought to stop drug tests. The players union is the worst in this, then blame can be tossed at MLB office, but it all started with the players, including the strikes.

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Here's something to think about with the Mitchell Report. Baseball numbers were way down before the Home Run chase of 1998. I'm sure MLB knew McGwire and Sosa were on something and allowed it to happen. Desperate times cause for desperate measures. Then, when Barry Bonds gets bigger and breaks the record, all of a sudden it becomes a huge issue. Is it a race issue? I think it is partly, but I hate people using the race issue as a crutch. Bonds' attitude and relationship with the media has a lot to do with everything being blown up like it is. There should be no punishment for whoever is on the Mitchell Report. It happened in the past. Leave it there. Go Red Sox!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=MPNRedskins;399873]Here's something to think about with the Mitchell Report. Baseball numbers were way down before the Home Run chase of 1998. I'm sure MLB knew McGwire and Sosa were on something and allowed it to happen. Desperate times cause for desperate measures. Then, when Barry Bonds gets bigger and breaks the record, all of a sudden it becomes a huge issue. Is it a race issue? I think it is partly, but I hate people using the race issue as a crutch. Bonds' attitude and relationship with the media has a lot to do with everything being blown up like it is. There should be no punishment for whoever is on the Mitchell Report. It happened in the past. Leave it there. Go Red Sox!!!!!![/QUOTE]

McGwire never got implicated...Bonds had NUMEROUS sources that came out and said he used. From ex trainers to ex girlfriends, to baseball players. Bonds was so arrogant, he didn't bother to cover his trail. Nothing has implicated a person more than "Game of Shadows". Had that been a book that implicated McGwire, then we'd be talking about him right now. It has nothing to with race at all...not one iota.

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[quote=jsarno;393051]See, the reason this is still around is cause nothing is being done about it. They came up with a joke of an agreement that allows the club to be notified 24 hours before tests. If you can't get all the roids out of your system in 24 hours, you're a moron.
This continues to be a huge issue because baseball allows the HORRIBLE players union to be involved in any decision on MLB's future. The players union could give two shits about the future of MLB, they are concerned about their own well being and survival. If the player union went on strike, who cares, get scabs and start over. Wipe the slate clean. This needs to be stopped, not coddled, or "slowed down". The mitchell report didn't do much, OTHER than showing the world this is not a 1 or 2 man issue, it's corrupted the entire sport.
So the real question is, what is MLB gonna do about it? Are they going to let the players union strong arm them into another horrible deal, or will they grow some nutts and stop it completely? (I bet on the former)[/quote]

You can't get roids out of your system in 24 hours. With some juice it takes 4-8 weeks to leave your system.

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no matter what they say I think they are all cheaters.

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This is making it's way around:
[INDENT][B]Clemens[/B]: You want answers? [/INDENT][INDENT][B]Congressman[/B]: I think I'm entitled to them. [/INDENT][INDENT][B]Clemens[/B]: You want answers? [/INDENT][INDENT][B]Congressman[/B]: I want the truth! [/INDENT][INDENT][B]Clemens[/B]: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has baseballs. And those balls have to be hit by men with bats. Who's gonna do it? You? You,Congressman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for steroids and you curse HGH. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that HGH, while illegal, probably sells tickets. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, sells tickets...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that mound. You need me on that mound. We use words like fastall, slider, splitfinger...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent playing a sport. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and falls asleep to the Sportscenter clips I provide,! then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a bat and dig in. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to! [/INDENT][INDENT][B]Congressman[/B]: Did you order the HGH? [/INDENT][INDENT][B]Clemens[/B]: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do. [/INDENT][INDENT][B]Congressman[/B]: Did you order the HGH? [/INDENT][INDENT][B]Clemens[/B]: You're gddamn right I did!! [/INDENT]

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Clemens is such a f'ing liar. Just own up and stop throwing others under the bus.