Jon Jansen: Starter Next Year?
 

I think this is a valid argument. Some would like to see the Redskins move in another direction and draft or possibly acquire another starting tackle, but I think Jon Jansen still has a future with this team. Perhaps as a starter, and baring a set back with his recovery I think you can expect to see him in training camp again next year.

One thing's for sure, Todd Wade can't stay healthy, and when he is he hasn't shown me anything to lead me to believe he's the answer. The guy just isn't better than Jansen, in my opinion. I also think Wade lacks that something "toughness and grit" that Jansen possess.

Stephon Heyer? He should be on this team next year for sure. But again, I'm not sold he's ready to hold it down for sixteen games. If anything these last three games will be an auditioning of sorts for him going into next year.

But if I were a betting man, I would say look forward to seeing good old #76 next year.

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Poor Jansen has had some freaky injuries. All offensive linemen have that posibility of having another guy roll into their legs which makes luck such a big part of injuries to O-line and D-line. I think Jansen is still a great RT, he has just has some really bad luck.
I hope he comes back as the starter, but this year is proof that we need some serious quality behind those guys. O-line play is HUGE!!!! in determining the team's sucess.

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Hayer and Wade are both better than Jansen. He was a solid player 4 years ago but he was really declined these last couple of years. I was watching him very closely this preseason and he couldn't block anybody. Gibbs covered him up by always keeping the tight end in. But we all know you can't have a good offense when you keep everyone in to block and don't send any people out in routes. We need to draft a RT and a guard.

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I would not count on Jansen. Love the guy but let's be realistic. He's always hurt. I think it would be overly reactionary to go for yet another safety in the draft. We do need to replace Taylor but I rank D-line and O-line as being higher on our list of priorities. Just my two cents.

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[quote=skins009;392780]Hayer and Wade are both better than Jansen. He was a solid player 4 years ago but he was really declined these last couple of years. I was watching him very closely this preseason and he couldn't block anybody. Gibbs covered him up by always keeping the tight end in. But we all know you can't have a good offense when you keep everyone in to block and don't send any people out in routes. We need to draft a RT and a guard.[/quote]
I think your watching the wrong person he wears #76.

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I honestly would like to go in another direction. I mean, I like him, Wade and Heyer holding it down, but we really need to draft some blue chip talent in the draft. I'm fine with developing Heyer since he's young and is improving, but we need someone who can step in and start right away.

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If Jansen is healthy he's the starter no question.

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I don't understand why this is even an argument? Jon Jansen is clearly a strong starter in this league, I don't think a broken ankle changes that.

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[quote=Schneed10;392792]I don't understand why this is even an argument? Jon Jansen is clearly a strong starter in this league, I don't think a broken ankle changes that.[/quote]

I think the big question or rather concern with his ankle is whether there's any ligament damage. I haven't heard one way or another.

But I would think even if we acquired another tackle to compete with Jansen, he'd better come with game because Jansen is going to be fired up next season.

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Jansen is a slightly above average RT who is probably on the downside of his career. But he's the best option we have so he should be the starter. But Heyer should be groomed to take over in two or three years. I would get rid of Wade all together. He gets hurt walking from the huddle to the line of scrimmage.

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[quote=Schneed10;392792]I don't understand why this is even an argument? Jon Jansen is clearly a strong starter in this league, I don't think a broken ankle changes that.[/quote]

Schneed - also I would think Salary cap constraints also force the issue. The Skins can't just cut everyone (and I would think Llyod and Philip Daniels are both gone among others) so just from a cap management perspective cutting Jansen is not really an option - correct?

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[quote=Bill B;392800]Schneed - also I would think Salary cap constraints also force the issue. The Skins can't just cut everyone (and I would think Llyod and Philip Daniels are both gone among others) so just from a cap management perspective cutting Jansen is not really an option - correct?[/quote]

Correct. Cutting him would hit us with $2 million more on our cap than if we kept him around.

I think if anything though, people are arguing that maybe he should be a backup and we should get a younger stud in there. I like him as a starter, personally. The team has much bigger problems than Jon Jansen.

If anyone's thinking cut the guy, it makes no sense from a cap standpoint.

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Jon Jansen was getting beat like a redheaded stepchild in preseason and the season before he got hurt. Hate to say it, but had he been the only injury along the O-line I feel like it improved our line more than hurt it.

Jansen had been great for us in the past, but injuries have caught up to him.

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[quote=Daseal;392809]Jon Jansen was getting beat like a redheaded stepchild in preseason and the season before he got hurt. Hate to say it, but had he been the only injury along the O-line I feel like it improved our line more than hurt it.

Jansen had been great for us in the past, but injuries have caught up to him.[/quote]

I agree that his pass protection slipped some, but not worse than Heyer and Wade are performing this year.

Plus Jansen is still a very strong run blocker.

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[quote=Schneed10;392812]I agree that his pass protection slipped some, but not worse than Heyer and Wade are performing this year.

Plus Jansen is still a very strong run blocker.[/quote]

I agree w/that 100%. JJ has looked solid in run blocking the past couple years, but is starting to get beat more in pass pro.

Heyer seems more adept at pass blocking than run. He's got to get stronger to be a starter all year.

I see Jansen as the starter, but we all agree that the team needs some youth on the o line & if a young stud can take his spot so be it. I actually thought Jansen would've made a better LG prospect than Wade, and maybe he could still make the switch as I think he's a pretty good pull/sweep blocker.

If Jansen is healthy & is not our starter in week 1 of 08, I'd say our depth is looking up.

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..whatever happens, I'm ready for the love affair with Todd Wade to end.

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If Jansen is healthy then he needs to be the guy. I think he should be able to give us a few more productive seasons. He might not be the best in the league. But I would feel a lot better about the Giants game this weekend if he were playing.

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Jansen is only 31, he'll be 32 next season which is still pretty young for an OL. He could play another 4-6 years, OL usually last long and he'll come back strong. Nothing to worry about, what we need are backup G/C combination type players another T wouldn't hurt. Heyer will be a solid backup next year.

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Wow, I mean Jansen is no all-pro like some folks in here think but I can't believe some of you guys want to push him to the back of the line. Are you kidding me? He'll turn 32 next season and he'll have at least two more good years left in him. If he is healthy he would be my starter.

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Unless they draft someone or aquire someone out of FA I feel with the current roster he will start. Heyer is great he stepped in and help us this season but he isn't a starter just yet.

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There is no right tackle on the team better than Jansen, so he has to start. I think he needs to start doing some Ray Brown yoga to avoid these injuries.

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Not much you can do to prevent broken bones.

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Jansen starts. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll break his thumbs again next year. Everyone said he played great when those damn clubs on his hands.

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If Jansen is healthy, then he's starting no doubt. IMO he's our second best run blocker behind RT. I think we should just hold on to Heyer and groom him slowly.

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[quote=Mattyk72;392844]Not much you can do to prevent broken bones.[/quote]

Yea, its not like Jansen is falling apart via tears, pulls, etc. He had a ankle broken in half, his thumbs broken in half. He needs to be in there next year w/out question.

Besides who's a better alternative? I'll take my chances w/ Jansen, a true redskin.

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[quote=skins009;392780]Hayer and Wade are both better than Jansen. He was a solid player 4 years ago but he was really declined these last couple of years. I was watching him very closely this preseason and he couldn't block anybody. Gibbs covered him up by always keeping the tight end in. But we all know you can't have a good offense when you keep everyone in to block and don't send any people out in routes. We need to draft a RT and a guard.[/quote]Jansen had a great game against Julius Peppers toward the end of last season. That alone tells me that he has something left in the tank and should be starting next season.

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Jansen isn't a top 5 RT but he is in the top 15. He is a great run blocker and w/o lefty MB starting that is more important than his pass blocking skills(which are better than average).

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This guy is a top 5 RT why else would he get a nice extension. The guy played with 2 casts in his hands last year and held his own, this year went down the drain, also 05 was an injury year. He's had bad luck, when healthy he basically shuts down Strahan and pretty much any other great DE. He has a lot to proof, if the team cuts him they'll regret it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;392791]If Jansen is healthy he's the starter no question.[/quote]
Mark my words, if Heyer plays well he is our starter next year. Jansen will be our back up and Wade will be gone. The reason Wade will be gone is because, it would cost to much to cut Jansen. Jansen should have been cut this year, instead of that stupid contract that the Redskins gave him.

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[QUOTE=Counter-Tre;392781]I would not count on Jansen. Love the guy but let's be realistic. He's always hurt. I think it would be overly reactionary to go for yet another safety in the draft. We do need to replace Taylor but I rank D-line and O-line as being higher on our list of priorities. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

We have some GLARING issues, but biggest of all is that we're the oldest team in the NFL. We're only getting older. This means we have a lot of holes to fill. If Jansen is healthy, he'll play, but we need a young back up plan.

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It's kind of funny to read through comments about Jansen (or several other o-linemen, for that matter) and continually see "he's great, as long as he's healthy." That kind of sums up the squad, don't it? Maybe Jansen's had bad luck but there damn well better be a lessoned learned - we need to invest in talented backup lineman so that every other season doesn't go down the tubes w/ 1 or 2 injuries on the line.

The more I evaluate the team the more obvious it is that o-line needs to be the priority in the draft. Our offensive scheme has required a guy who can pull hard to open up sweeps etc. How the f could the coaches not have a back-up plan in case the one guy consistently effective when pulling (RT) goes down to injury? It's almost inexplicable. If you want to be running team then ya damn well better consider the contingencies to keep the running game alive if 1 or 2 pieces of the puzzle get tossed from the board.

All that aside, I too can't see Jansen getting cut, but I'll be very worried if he's the starter and only Wade and Heyer are backing him up. JJ got pounded in the preseason (as many of you have pointed out). I kept watching him get beat or just flat overpowered and then wonder "is this guy a liability out there?" I guess if he comes back real strong w/ a lot of grit then he should probably start, but coaches need to be "real smart" about him - if his progress in offseason is questionable I think we need a stud o-tackle in the draft (maybe 1st round if there's a super stud) IMO.

Who are the elite tackles coming out of the draft?

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Jansen is a no brainer, but Samuels is the one I worry about. I wonder if we could get rid of some of our cap trouble by trading his ass away. He makes the pro bowl every year and he is sub par in pass protection. I do think he's good in the run game, but I don't get why he makes the pro bowl every year...

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;392912][B]It's kind of funny to read through comments about Jansen (or several other o-linemen, for that matter) and continually see "he's great, as long as he's healthy." That kind of sums up the squad, don't it?[/B] Maybe Jansen's had bad luck but there damn well better be a lessoned learned - we need to invest in talented backup lineman so that every other season doesn't go down the tubes w/ 1 or 2 injuries on the line.

The more I evaluate the team the more obvious it is that o-line needs to be the priority in the draft. Our offensive scheme has required a guy who can pull hard to open up sweeps etc. How the f could the coaches not have a back-up plan in case the one guy consistently effective when pulling (RT) goes down to injury? It's almost inexplicable. If you want to be running team then ya damn well better consider the contingencies to keep the running game alive if 1 or 2 pieces of the puzzle get tossed from the board.

All that aside, I too can't see Jansen getting cut, but I'll be very worried if he's the starter and only Wade and Heyer are backing him up. JJ got pounded in the preseason (as many of you have pointed out). I kept watching him get beat or just flat overpowered and then wonder "is this guy a liability out there?" I guess if he comes back real strong w/ a lot of grit then he should probably start, but coaches need to be "real smart" about him - if his progress in offseason is questionable I think we need a stud o-tackle in the draft (maybe 1st round if there's a super stud) IMO.[/QUOTE]

Nice post. As I have harped on in other threads, my concern is that b/c the line is so old across the board, we need to expect that one starter will not make through the season and [I]at least[/I] one other will be gone for a long stretch. I mean, even prior to this year, we have had starters miss significant time. Line depth has to be a priority this offseason.

I don't know about Jansen, he has always been one of my favorites but, as other have pointed out, he was a turnstile in preseason. Given the cap ramifications, he is not going to get cut and, as the level of competition currently on the roster is not particularly stellar, he is most likely the starter. Hopefully, preseason was an aberation and he comes back strong.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;392885]Mark my words, if Heyer plays well he is our starter next year. Jansen will be our back up and Wade will be gone. The reason Wade will be gone is because, it would cost to much to cut Jansen. Jansen should have been cut this year, instead of that stupid contract that the Redskins gave him.[/quote]

LOL

No way Heyer beats out Jansen.

No way.

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I don't think it would be too shocking Matty. I honestly dont know what you've seen out of Jansen over the last two years that leads you to have the type of confidence you do. Maybe he comes back, but I doubt it. I like Jansen, he was once a really really good RT, but I think he's slipped into backup mode. Maybe Heyer isn't the option, but Jansen isn't either.

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[quote=canthetuna;392922]Jansen is a no brainer, but Samuels is the one I worry about. I wonder if we could get rid of some of our cap trouble by trading his ass away. He makes the pro bowl every year and he is sub par in pass protection. I do think he's good in the run game, but I don't get why he makes the pro bowl every year...[/quote]

Just because DeMarcus Ware gets a sack & every once in a while Samuels gets beat doesn't mean he's not a very good LT. He's had some tough games this year, but he's also played w/some nagging foot problems. Samuels can still hold down the best pass rushers in the game.

In the dallas game e.g., JC threw 54 passes & I think Ware beat Samuels cleanly on 2 plays. Not to mention we had no running game & their d-line was just teeing off knowing that the pass was coming.

Samuels is still one of the best & w/a healthy Jansen & Wade, plus an improved Heyer, our tackle situation is the best on the o-line. Not that an OT would be a bad draft pick, but what we need to draft are interior linemen IMO.

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[quote=Daseal;392935]I don't think it would be too shocking Matty. I honestly dont know what you've seen out of Jansen over the last two years that leads you to have the type of confidence you do. Maybe he comes back, but I doubt it. I like Jansen, he was once a really really good RT, but I think he's slipped into backup mode. Maybe Heyer isn't the option, but Jansen isn't either.[/quote]

I don't either IF Heyere really hit the weights & got significantly stronger in the offseason. I don't think it's probable, but it's not out of the question by any means.

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[quote=canthetuna;392922]Jansen is a no brainer, but Samuels is the one I worry about. I wonder if we could get rid of some of our cap trouble by trading his ass away. He makes the pro bowl every year and he is sub par in pass protection. I do think he's good in the run game, but I don't get why he makes the pro bowl every year...[/quote]

Good God, what the hell are you talking about?

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Next year, the entire starting line (Jansen, Samuels, Thomas, Kendall and Rabach) will all be 31 or older. Given that stat, at least one or possibly two of them are not going to play the entire season. Which two? God knows, it's kind of a crap shoot. Actually, with five aging starters it's more like Russian Roullette with 5 bullets. While freak accidents are just that, with age comes brittleness, these guys simply aren't as flexible and resilient as they were 3 or 4 years ago.

Thus, cumulatively the likelihood of a "freak" accident occurring is increased. Mark my words - next year one of them will go down for the season, early, with an injury that all will say "Not much you can do to prevent [insert injury here]". I am not hoping for this obviously and will be thrilled if it doesnt occur, I just think its as likely as finding the open chamber in our game of O-Line Russian Roullette.

So while we can plan on Jansen starting, I wouldn't bet the ranch on him playing out the season. So Heyer (or somebody else) better be ready to step in at either tackle position. Same at the guard position and, clearly, they need a guard who can pull.

I don't know what's available in the draft or in the FA market, but I guarantee that this line has maybe one more year as a complete starting unit. In 2009, count on two or three new starters.

Get a line that can get a yard anywhere on the field, and we can win the f'ing Superbowl with the rest of the team unchanged.

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I can't believe some of the posts here. Heyer better than Jansen? Samuels should be gone? Whatttttt????

For anyone to think Heyer is better than Jansen is crazy. Samuels is one of the better tackles in the league. I don't know what else to say?