Do the Pats go down as perfect if they lose in the playoffs?
 

OK...seeing as my brother is a Pats fan, we discussed the possibility of the Pats losing in the playoffs, and if so, that will make the entire season more of a joke than anything. Look at Seattle Mariners when they had that magical season a few years back and no one ever talks about them as being one of the best.
So where would these Patriots fall in history if they fail to win it all?

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They go down as perfect with an aserterix in the regular season for cheating. They go down as imperfect for losing in the course of the ENTIRE season.

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Can't be perfect with a loss.

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I think if anything if they win one more game they are even with the Dolphins that went 17-0.

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Nope. Gotta win it all.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;399093]Nope. Gotta win it all.[/QUOTE]

That's the way I see it. Either win it all, or be the only undefeated team to not win the super bowl.

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I don't think you get credit for being undefeated... if you've been defeated. That said, I still think they've already accomplished more than the '72 Dolphins. To do this in the era of free agency is amazing.

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no they havent accomplished more.. they havent wont the superbowl to go undefeated for the whole season as well as playoff.. thats what they must do ..like i said i would love to see the Skins beat them in the SB... NOTHING would be better than that.

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if they don't win it all, they will go down as one of the biggest chokers of all time

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It's all or nothing for them....If they win it all, they go down as the absolute best ever (and rightfully so)...if they lose, they will be an afterthought.

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[quote=Daseal;399078]I think if anything if they win one more game they are even with the Dolphins that went 17-0.[/quote]
No way. Need to win the SB to be even w/ Dolphins as perfect. 17-1 is worse than 17-0. Part of being the greatest is beating 3 great teams in a row. If they beat Jags, Colts and then Skins (wishful I know) then they are even with 72 dolphins. If we beat the Pats like we couldn't do in 72, then Dolphins are still best.

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16-0 is meaningless if you don't finish the deal. The Pats have looked much more vulnerable the 2nd half of the season than they did early.

My dream is that we somehow get to the Super Bowl, and we run up the score on the Pats they way Belicheat did on us back in October. Hey, I can dream can't I???

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Alex Trebek: The only NFL team to with a perfect season that didn't win the Super Bowl.
Contestent: What is New England Patriots?

If you can't win the big game you season is pretty meaningless if you ask me. Hope the Pats get ambushed in the payoffs.

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I'm dreaming right now, but how great would it be us making it to the SB against the Patriots. 2 3X SB champ coaches going against each other with the exception that Joe will be out to redeem himself for being embarrassed against them. Out of the 4 undefeated teams of all time Bears 2X, Dolphins and now the Pats, the skins have been involved in 2 out of those 3 games with #4 to be determined. We beat the undefeated Bears in the championship game in 1943-44? Lost to the Dolphins in 72, could we be in this year? Makes you think, doesn't it.

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I think the Pats now have a serious target on their back. If they DO win out and win a SB, I will concede they are the best team all time... not that it matters a rat turd what I think...

I think they will lose in the playoffs. There are a couple of teams that can pressure them that don't get flustered by their pressure schemes and will expose their over the hill linebacking corps.

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no. if they lose, then 16-0 is just another record and becomes no big deal for the next guy.


if they go all the way, not only do they put the 72 dolphins to rest, 16-0 stays a sacred (for lack of a better term) record the next time someone hits it.

without a superbowl win, it'll get lost in the shuffle pretty quick. with a win, it becomes a story for the grandkids, so yeah, it's really important they finish it off.

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[QUOTE=saden1;399360]Alex Trebek: The only NFL team to with a perfect season that didn't win the Super Bowl.
Contestent: What is New England Patriots?

If you can't win the big game you season is pretty meaningless if you ask me. Hope the Pats get ambushed in the payoffs.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't that be: "WHO are the New England Patriots"? LOL.

I agree with you...if they fall short of the Super Bowl win, it's all for not.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;399012]OK...seeing as my brother is a Pats fan, we discussed the possibility of the Pats losing in the playoffs, and if so, that will make the entire season more of a joke than anything. Look at Seattle Mariners when they had that magical season a few years back and no one ever talks about them as being one of the best.
So where would these Patriots fall in history if they fail to win it all?[/QUOTE]

All they will be is a great team, who got caught slippin in the playoffs.

16-1 means squat!

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Just like any other team, is a failure unless you win the whole thing. They had a great year but none of it matters in my book until there the last one standing.

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The perfect regular season can never be taken away from them. I think they are the greatest football team ever, irregardless of what they can do in the playoffs. If they were to get beat, it would certainly be an upset.

All that said, it will be impossible to remember them as perfect if they do lose. If they were to get beat, they would have been the greatest football team of all time, but not perfect.

Perfection is a bitch.

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They have to finish.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;399149]That's the way I see it. Either win it all, or be the only undefeated team to not win the super bowl.[/QUOTE]

I heard on one of the pregame shows yesterday that since the NFL started way back in the day there have been 3 teams that have gone undefeated in the regular season and 2 of those lost in the playoffs.

I cant see NE losing in the playoffs as they cruised pretty easily to that 16-0 record.

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[quote=jsarno;399413]Wouldn't that be: "WHO are the New England Patriots"? LOL.

I agree with you...if they fall short of the Super Bowl win, it's all for not.[/quote]

LOL...when I'm half falling asleep and half tipsy I can't type for shit. Plus, aren't they the Borg re-incarnated?

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Win or lose this season is all about New England.

If they lose all we're going to hear about is how they couldn't finish 19-0. Unfortunately that story will overshadow the Super Bowl winner if it's not them.

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[QUOTE=irish;399553]I heard on one of the pregame shows yesterday that since the NFL started way back in the day there have been 3 teams that have gone undefeated in the regular season and 2 of those lost in the playoffs.

I cant see NE losing in the playoffs as they cruised pretty easily to that 16-0 record.[/QUOTE]

One of them (the Bears) lost to the Redskins in the championship, another one that won (72 Dolphins) beat the Redskins. So, could we meet the Patriots for #4 and make history again? Stay tuned.

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[QUOTE=irish;399553]I heard on one of the pregame shows yesterday that since the NFL started way back in the day there have been 3 teams that have gone undefeated in the regular season and 2 of those lost in the playoffs.

[b]I cant see NE losing in the playoffs as they cruised pretty easily to that 16-0 record.[/b][/QUOTE]

Well, they did not cruise through the end of their schedule. They almost lost to Baltimore, Philly and the Giants. I think they exposed something that others will be intently looking at...and I hope / pray that they lose in the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;399688]Well, they did not cruise through the end of their schedule. They almost lost to Baltimore, Philly and the Giants. I think they exposed something that others will be intently looking at...and I hope / pray that they lose in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

I think because the early games were so easy when they had to actually play a little it looked like they were struggling.

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Damn I hate the Pats!!!

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they have to win the superbowl.

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To me it would be the biggest choke in NFL history

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Perfect is perfect, meaning you have to win every game. If they can do it, move over '72 Dolphins and make room at the top of the mountain. But, it's still a long way to Arizona. The Patriots have to remain focused like they have been if they want to go down in history as one of, if not, the best team ever. If they loss focus, someone like Jacksonville, Indy, or even the Skins will beat them.

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So where will the pats place in history be if they lose say in the AFC championship game?

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[quote=jsarno;400026]So where will the pats place in history be if they lose say in the AFC championship game?[/quote]
Below whoever wins the SB.

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they will always be remembered as the only team to go 16-0 in the regular season. but to be the greatest team ever they will have to go 19-0 and win the superbowl. it's going to be a challenge for them because sure most of the games that they've won have been in blowouts, but 2-3 of the games have come from lucky calls on their part which they probably wont get in the playoffs. so we'll see what happens.

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You know what would really be weird? If we were known as the only team to have lost to both perfect season teams in the SB.

Of course I'd be completely happy we made it that far, but that would kinda suck.

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;400175]You know what would really be weird? If we were known as the only team to have lost to both perfect season teams in the SB.

Of course I'd be completely happy we made it that far, but that would kinda suck.[/QUOTE]

Or be the only team 2 have beaten two undefeated teams 1942-43 Redskins with Slinging Sammy Baugh beat the perfect Bears to ruin their season and make history winning the championship.

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If they lose, it will be remember as whatever the media thinks it will get the most attention.

Using this basic idea, if they lose to a well coached and executed game they will be an remembered as a team that finished the reg season undefeated, maybe a small blurb in history about they didnt go all the way. If they lose by being outplayed, over confident, or poor coaching, I think they will remembered as a undefeated team that was mared by cheating and possibly their own newspaper clippings.

Using recent memory as a basis, look what happened to Gibbs. He screwed up the double timeout to ice the kicker and many jumped on to fire him. No excuses were given even with ST still fresh in everyones mind.

Look at Gibbs now, he the savior for the Redskin organization. Even if he were to lose in the playoffs, he will be looked at a coach who still has it.

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[QUOTE=ArcticRed;400178]If they lose, it will be remember as whatever the media thinks it will get the most attention.

Using this basic idea, if they lose to a well coached and executed game they will be an remembered as a team that finished the reg season undefeated, maybe a small blurb in history about they didnt go all the way. If they lose by being outplayed, over confident, or poor coaching, I think they will remembered as a undefeated team that was mared by cheating and possibly their own newspaper clippings.

Using recent memory as a basis, look what happened to Gibbs. He screwed up the double timeout to ice the kicker and many jumped on to fire him. No excuses were given even with ST still fresh in everyones mind.

Look at Gibbs now, he the savior for the Redskin organization. Even if he were to lose in the playoffs, he will be looked at a coach who still has it.[/QUOTE]

Good post.

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[QUOTE=rypper11;400129]Below whoever wins the SB.[/QUOTE]

I meant in history, not this season.