Will Todd Collins Return in 2008?
 

I'm loving this guy like crazy, as we all are I'm sure. But I'm kind of nervous, really nervous, about him being a free agent next year. I mean there are a lot of mediocre quarterbacks out there right now, and you can see how much of a difference a good quarterback can make on your team.

I know this is a horrible time to entertain such a question with a big playoff game coming up, but who are the possible suitors for Collins next year? Especially knowing that Jason is still going to be the guy.

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I was thinking about same thing.. All I can say is I really hope we will resign him - release Brunell and give his money to Collins..

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I think he stays on as long as Saunders does.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;399270]I think he stays on as long as Saunders does.[/quote]


I hope so. But you better believe someone's going to try and pry him away from the Skins.

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If I were Collins, I'd stay. He's 36 years old, knows Saunders' system, has Saunders and the fans pulling for him, and Gibbs loves experienced QBs. If he wins a playoff game or two, there's no way Gibbs goes with JC in week 1 of the 2008 season. As much as I love JC, TC has earned the right to be the starter.

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love to see him stick around but I think 2 questions are out there:

1) will we be willing to spend the money to keep him knowing he is the number 2 and

2) if he has a chance to start somewhere else, at his age will he want to stick around

I don't know the answer to either question but I hope he sticks around

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;399273]If I were Collins, I'd stay. He's 36 years old, knows Saunders' system, has Saunders and the fans pulling for him, and Gibbs loves experienced QBs. If he wins a playoff game or two, there's no way Gibbs goes with JC in week 1 of the 2008 season. As much as I love JC, TC has earned the right to be the starter.[/quote]

Whatever happens, I think we can brace ourselves for the annual quarterback controversey here in Washington next summer.

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I don't think Todd is number 2 anymore. :cool-smil

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Next season he will be a #2, no question (I think). But his value to our team now that we know that he can step in and be the starter is worth a little more than what you pay any old backup. With himon the team we have two starters. I really hope he stays. And the way Joe likes to stock up veteran depth at the QB spot, I think Collins stays.

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[quote=12thMan;399277]Whatever happens, I think we can brace ourselves for the annual quarterback controversey here in Washington next summer.[/quote]


what would the skins be without a good qb controversy to stir things up Sonny-Billy Billy-Joe and all the others I remember Joe T returning punts just to get playing time. there's something you would never see in this era

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We all know how much Gibbs loves a vet QB.

Who knows,JC may be watching again next year.

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My opinion is that Collins should remain with a promise from Gibbs of open competition.

This means 2 things....a 2 year contract for Collins with starter bucks and a 3 year extension for Campell for the same.

Thats a lot of loot.
Our capologist will have to see how that is possible.

I dont think Collins wants to relearn a system and move...especially if he leads a team to the playoffs with a playbook he has memorized.
I think he may even transition to a QB coach for us long term.

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i hope he stays. i hope that teams consider the fact that he is running an offense he has known for years and that deters them from offering him a starting job elsewhere. we really need him to stay here next year

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Let's hope so. His presense and mental preparation will be a great example for Campbell, and will make Jason a better QB in the long run.

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Collins is great and all but we'll see how much he'll command. Not to take away from Collins but without Saunders offense what kind of QB would he be? I think the reason he's so good is due to him knowing the Saunders inside out, put him in another offense and I don't think he would be as successful.

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I hope so but someone is going to try to get him away from us. I agree get rid of Brunell and give that money to Todd.

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I really can't see people buying him as a starter (without the saunders system...)

I'm thinking we resign him...he'll get a well deserved raise

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He'll be 37 and I'm pretty confident he's good because he knows Saunders' system. If he goes anywhere else I doubt he'd be a starter, and I doubt he'd be quite as successful (if at all) in a different system.

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I think Jason Campbell will be a very fine quarterback for the Redskins at some point. As to who starts next year, that is the kind of decision that fans and sometimes coaches and owners want to make based on personal preferences, or beliefs such as "a player should never be replaced if injured," or based on considerations of age or financial investment.

To me it is a lot simpler - who is the best player at this time? Clearly, Todd Collins is the best quarterback on the Redskins right now, and there is no reason I can think of to imagine he won't still be next season if we sign him to a contract. You have to play your best players as starters. Coach Gibbs has said that before.

We really have to make every effort to sign Todd for next year, with Jason waiting in the wings - until he gets his chance, and shows himself to be the best player.

The players want Todd to be the starter right now and next year because they know with his skill and experience in this system, and all the qualities he brings to the table, he gives the team the best chance to win, and them the best chance to demonstrate their great talent and skill. If the Redskins were to start Jason, the players would know that that choice was based on something other than who plays best. And that would send a signal to them that when they are evaluated, it won't be just on how well they play, but on other considerations out of their control. And that would not be good for them from a motivational perspective.

At this point in his career, I believe he will give the Redskins every fair chance to sign him, and not too many teams will give him a gigantic free agent contract, given his age.

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not sure what team wants to throw big money at a soon to be 37 QB with limited upside... i mean, if he was the missing piece on a super bowl team maybe... but how many teams with superbowl quality talent actually need a good mid level QB?

i mean, maybe SD, but that's about it.


oh yeah, he's also not going to be nearly as good for another team, since he won't know the system (or have 6+ years experience in it) and he won't know his position players either. a big contract from another team could be fools gold.

you can't really promise a 37 year old open competition here either, since that'll retard the young guy that can actually stick around for 12-15 years and he, being "old," is more likely to get injured.

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Dump Brunell and keep Collins...though I am sure if someone is willing to give him a starting job we won't be able to re-sign him.

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[quote=Oakland Red;399346]
[B] The players want Todd to be the starter[/B] right now and [B]next year[/B] because they know with his skill and experience in this system, and all the qualities he brings to the table, he gives the team the best chance to win, and them the best chance to demonstrate their great talent and skill. If the Redskins were to start Jason, the players would know that that choice was based on something other than who plays best. And that would send a signal to them that when they are evaluated, it won't be just on how well they play, but on other considerations out of their control. And that would not be good for them from a motivational perspective.[/quote]

and who, exactly, on the redskins' roster have YOU been talking to to announce that as fact?

todd has limited upside and very few years left. when he came in, saunders did a 180 on his play calling and actually called deep routes to WRs without hamstring problem and not named brandon lloyd. he also was calling plays with an improved o line and a health(ier) clinton portis.

let's not go too far overboard with todd's canton induction just yet. the comparision hasn't been equal, and jason adds scrambling and a much better arm (though his decisions and fumbles aren't right yet).

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Well if their is a QB battle...better for it to be for a playoff team than a 4-12 team.

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[quote=That Guy;399352]and who, exactly, on the redskins' roster have YOU been talking to to announce that as fact?

todd has limited upside and very few years left. when he came in, saunders did a 180 on his play calling and actually called deep routes to WRs without hamstring problem and not named brandon lloyd. he also was calling plays with an improved o line and a health(ier) clinton portis.

let's not go too far overboard with todd's canton induction just yet. the comparision hasn't been equal, and jason adds scrambling and a much better arm (though his decisions and fumbles aren't right yet).[/quote]
Who cares if jason has a better arm and can run if he's not making the throws and plays that win games?

On another note if our skins make it all the way through the playoffs and get a ring...I gotta imagine that Joe gibbs and Todd Collins will probably hang it up. That would be a great ending for Todd wouldn't it?

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[quote=pg86;399379]Who cares if jason has a better arm and can run if he's not making the throws and plays that win games?[/quote]

maybe you missed the first part of my response about apples and oranges :P

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Jeez..... Who cares about next year. Let's just worry about Seattle.

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[quote=skinsfan69;399402]Jeez..... Who cares about next year. Let's just worry about Seattle.[/quote]

I was just about to say the same damn thing.

Let's just enjoy this ride and cross that bridge when we come to it.

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Collins has played his way into a new contract to back up Campbell. the dude is 37 years old. anyone who wants him to be the starter next season needs their head examined. as John Madden said, there is probably a reason he hasn't thrown a pass the last 10 years

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[QUOTE=dmek25;399506]Collins has played his way into a new contract to back up Campbell. the dude is 37 years old. anyone who wants him to be the starter next season needs their head examined. as John Madden said, there is probably a reason he hasn't thrown a pass the last 10 years[/QUOTE]

One could also say maybe there was a reason Kurt Warner was playing in the AFL instead of the NFL but when his chance came in the NFL he was great. TC is getting his chance and he is delivering. TC may be 37 but he is a young 37 without much wear & tear on his body. IMO that means he has 3+ years good years left in him in this AS offense and definitely worth resigning. I think right now TC is not only more competent and confident in the O he is also a much more fundamentally sound QB than Campbell. Campbell has lots of talent but thats not enough, he has to develop that talent. Hopefully he can do that.

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[quote=dmek25;399506]Collins has played his way into a new contract to back up Campbell. the dude is 37 years old. anyone who wants him to be the starter next season needs their head examined. [B]as John Madden said, there is probably a reason he hasn't thrown a pass the last 10[/B] [B]years[/B][/quote]

Yeah but it's looking like that reason is because he was stuck behind Trent Green for all those years and the perception of Collins around the league was dead wrong. He can play.

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I'm surprised so many people have jumped on the Todd Collins bandwagon... He has performed very well in his short stint as the starter, but it's exactly that kind of knee jerk reaction that gets Brad Johnson cut in favor of Jeff George, and lets Trent Green slip away and go on to be one of the most prolific passers since 2000.

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I think at this point, and especially if he performs well in the playoffs, then they go to camp next year with an open competiton. Assuming they resign him of course. I still think JC would be the favorite but I don't think he'd just get the job outright. As far as TC coming back, at his age he isn't going to get a boatload of money from somewhere to be their starter. He is certainly going to get more moolah than he would have 4 weeks ago but he might get a nice little offer with a promise to compete for the starting nod at best. In the end though this guy, who sounds like a pretty smart guy, is really a system QB. No QB sits around the league for 10 years undiscovered and suddenly becomes a starting level QB overnight based on skills. He is perfect for our system and our system is perfect for him and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he justs sticks around with Saunders until he retires. He knows he can suceed with it and now everyone else does too. He best place to be is with us. Plus Danny will take care of him I bet. He deserves it.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;399558]I'm surprised so many people have jumped on the Todd Collins bandwagon... He has performed very well in his short stint as the starter, but it's exactly that kind of knee jerk reaction that gets Brad Johnson cut in favor of Jeff George, and lets Trent Green slip away and go on to be one of the most prolific passers since 2000.[/QUOTE]

Trent Green is a perfect example. TG was decent here and great in KC...under Saunders. He is a good example of a QB who perfect for this system and vice versa. It is why I think TC will stick around.

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[quote=Southpaw;399558]I'm surprised so many people have jumped on the Todd Collins bandwagon... He has performed very well in his short stint as the starter, but it's exactly that kind of knee jerk reaction that gets Brad Johnson cut in favor of Jeff George, and lets Trent Green slip away and go on to be one of the most prolific passers since 2000.[/quote]

I don't think getting behind a QB on a 4 game win streak is knee jerk at all. Campbell is still the future of this franchise but right now it's Collins all the way. I don't think anyone is writing off Campbell.

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[quote=Mattyk72;399579]I don't think getting behind a QB on a 4 game win streak is knee jerk at all. Campbell is still the future of this franchise but right now it's Collins all the way. I don't think anyone is writing off Campbell.[/quote]

My issue is, there are a lot of factors that went in to the four game win streak other than Todd Collins. I do think Collins has played very well in relief of Campbell, but I still think it's far too soon to call him Tom Brady. Backups with nothing to lose come in and play well all the time, and then look like ass when they're actually handed the starting job.

I also think that Collins should remain the starter for the duration of this season, but the talk of building a team around a 37 year old quarterback with zero upside is a bit frustrating, and typical of this team.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;399591]My issue is, there are a lot of factors that went in to the four game win streak other than Todd Collins. I do think Collins has played very well in relief of Campbell, but I still think it's far too soon to call him Tom Brady. Backups with nothing to lose come in and play well all the time, and then look like ass when they're actually handed the starting job.

I also think that Collins should remain the starter for the duration of this season, but the talk of building a team around a 37 year old quarterback with zero upside is a bit frustrating, and typical of this team.[/QUOTE]

If Campbell develops into consistently playing the way Collins has these past 4 games I think Skins fans will consider him a successful QB.

The way Collins is playing who needs upside. He's doing fine just as he is.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;399328]Collins is great and all but we'll see how much he'll command. Not to take away from Collins but without Saunders offense what kind of QB would he be? I think the reason he's so good is due to him knowing the Saunders inside out, put him in another offense and I don't think he would be as successful.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and let's also remember that Campbell seemed to be kept on a pretty short leash through at least the first half of this season. Sure, we all know where Campbell's mechanics need work and can all pinpoint the errors he made this year, but it didn't appear to be completely his fault that a wide receiver did not catch a touchdown pass until Week 9 against the Eagles. Saunders naturally has confidence in a guy who has worked for him for so many years and knows his system so well, but if Campbell is chosen to be the starter next year, Saunders HAS to open things up for him.

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[quote=Southpaw;399591][B]My issue is, there are a lot of factors that went in to the four game win streak other than Todd Collins.[/B] I do think Collins has played very well in relief of Campbell, but I still think it's far too soon to call him Tom Brady. Backups with nothing to lose come in and play well all the time, and then look like ass when they're actually handed the starting job.

I also think that Collins should remain the starter for the duration of this season, but the talk of building a team around a 37 year old quarterback with zero upside is a bit frustrating, and typical of this team.[/quote]

Of course, but it doesn't take a genius to see that Collins is playing great right now. He's helped take this offense to another level.

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Jason Campbell-Todd Collins. Personally I think thats a nice problem to have. Also, hasn't Gibbs dealt with situations like this before?

[quote=BringBackJoeT;399663]Yeah, and let's also remember that Campbell seemed to be kept on a pretty short leash through at least the first half of this season. Sure, we all know where Campbell's mechanics need work and can all pinpoint the errors he made this year, but it didn't appear to be completely his fault that a wide receiver did not catch a touchdown pass until Week 9 against the Eagles. Saunders naturally has confidence in a guy who has worked for him for so many years and knows his system so well, but if Campbell is chosen to be the starter next year, Saunders HAS to open things up for him.[/quote]

Thats a real good point. I'm going to give you one of those point things we're allowed to give to post that we like. However I'd also like to add that Saunders is very high on Campbell, given that he called him his football "son" during the offseason.

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Resign Collins, release Brunell, Campbell remains the starter unless Collins take them deep into the playoffs. If Collins does that, QB challenge beginning next year. The Skins need to open the playbook and stop doing the same plays over and over again that everyone knows. When we get to about the 5 yard line or closer, and we line up with a 2 tight end set, everyone knows what's coming. Have some "Spaldings" and do something different.