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Gmanc711 08-09-2004 11:29 PM

Officall Overall Game thoughts
 
Its too hard to see what everyoen thinks when its over 50 posts in the game thread so, what did everyone think of the game tonight and our boys?

Winskins 08-09-2004 11:33 PM

The surprise of the game for me was Hasselbeck. He looked sharper than a Ginsu knife. I wouldn't mind seeing more play like that from the QB position.

Also, our boy ST got 2 picks. No more nay saying my brethren. He looks like the real deal with his lightning fast reaction skills.

Redskins_P 08-09-2004 11:35 PM

Very impressed with Sean Taylor, Mccullough, Gari Scott, M.Washington, Simon, N.Clemons. What a difference in the defense. They still have ALOT of work to do, but they're making strides. They're tackling much better and the QB did get some good pressure.

Redskins_P 08-09-2004 11:36 PM

[QUOTE=Winskins]The surprise of the game for me was Hasselbeck. He looked sharper than a Ginsu knife. I wouldn't mind seeing more play like that from the QB position.

Also, our boy ST got 2 picks. No more nay saying my brethren. He looks like the real deal with his lightning fast reaction skills.[/QUOTE]


I agree. Hasselbeck played well. He's a tough guy.

Gmanc711 08-09-2004 11:37 PM

Overall, minus the Jansen injury, I cant say I'm *extremely dissapointed* like others.

Offensivley, I mean what can you expect. Coles, Portis were only in for a series, Gardner maybe for two. The starting D was only in for one series as a whole, I think Bowen, Mitchell and Andre Lott were the only starters in for more than the first series tonight.

The only place where I see honest dissapointement was the QB play. For two guys ( Ramsey and Brunell ) who are supposed to be battling it out for the starting QB spot, they didnt look at that competitive with each other. Granted they both threw 8 times, Brunell 4/8 for 18 yrds, Ramsey 3/8 for 12 yrds, they just didnt look all there. Hopefully its somtihng that they will clean up, which I expect them to do with Gibbs. They should be looking better in no time. Hasslebeck however, might be making a run at the spot as well. He went 7/10 for 118 yrds and a TD. Now it was against third stringers, yeah, but he still looked more comfortable and more effective than anyone. I'm not saying he should be starting, or really considered for the spot, but they should defintley take a harder look at him, even if just to light a fire under Ramsey's or Brunell's ass.

The bright spot of the evening is defintley Sean Taylor. Two picks in three drives and One TD, he was also in on a bunch of tackles, overall very impressive. For anyone still arguing about him and KWII, just look at who is actually amking plays for his team, and who's not even with his team at all.

Finally, Jon Jansen. This is one of the biggest peices to our offense and our line. If he really is out for the year, hes gonna be a tough guy to replace. I really feel bad for the guy, not missing a game in 5 years, and hes been here through all of the bullshit of the past little while. I really hope they are just jumping to conclusions, but its not looking good.

MTK 08-09-2004 11:41 PM

Positives:

-Hasselbeck looked good even though he was playing against scrubs

-McCullough looked pretty decent

-Let's remove any doubts we may have had about Taylor, the guy is a pure baller

Negatives:

-Brunell and Ramsey both looked uncomfortable and out of sync, let's just be happy this is week one of the preseason. They still have 4 weeks of camp to iron things out, I'm not worried.

-Do I even need to say it, ok I will... Jon Jansen, done for the year :(

JWsleep 08-09-2004 11:46 PM

Things looked pretty out of synch on offense, but it is very early. One thing I found very interesting was Ramsey's poor play. He was hit a lot, had a deflected pass, audibled and caused a false start: all shades of Spurrier's team. He needs to get comfortable quick, or he better watch out for Hasselback.

The D got run over on a few series in the first quarter, and only drops by Denver kept it close. But there were a few sparks, and Taylor totally lived up to the hype. Two ints and a TD. Almost won the game by himself! Overall, the secondary looked pretty good. But man, we better be able to stop the run, or we're in trouble.

Glad they got the win for Gibbs, and let's remember that this is a very early game, with only a little bit of camp. Jansen is a serious blow, but if it had to happen, at least we've still got a month for Buges to patch it together.

Nice to see the counter trey at work again.

Winskins 08-09-2004 11:48 PM

Yeah ya'll, I gotta say that the line wasn't doing the best job today. Without JJ (Jon Jansen), they are really going to have to pick up the intensity.

beg8878 08-09-2004 11:49 PM

When I was reading some article about how Jansen was sayign he wished he was able to say that he had played every snap, not just every game, I thought to myself that he may be jinxing himself....so what happens, first game, out for the year....go figure!!!!

skinznut 08-09-2004 11:49 PM

I think the doubts about Taylor are all put to rest. One thing we definitely need to work on is the run defense. Even with the starters in there, we weren't stuffing the run. The o-line needs some more work especially now that Jansen is pretty much gone for the season. Overall it looked like the first pre-season game is supposed to look: sloppy. I think by next month, Joe will fix a lot of problems and get everybody to the level they need to be at. Oh yeah, WE WON!

Hail to the Redskins 08-09-2004 11:54 PM

My personal game notes...

* JANSEN, JANSEN, JANSEN.. No one can say that this isn't a HUGE loss for this team. By FAR the best lineman (far superior to Samuels) AND... this is VERY IMPORTANT to note!!!!!... the right tackle protects MARK BRUNELL'S BLIND SIDE!!!

* In another post I went on and on about how I see Sean Taylor as an Allen Iverson... "practice?! we're talking about practice!" ... a guy who goes through the motions until game day when his god-given ball hawking abilities shine bright as the sun. He is very special and that was obvious on both plays tonight.

* I've been saying for a year now, Sultan McCullough deserves an honest chance! He outperformed Rock Cartwright by leaps and bounds tonight. He's is lighting quick and has very good vision and moves. His only drawback is his lack of ability to break tackles.

* I hate to say this A. J. Fan Club, but Ade Jimoh is absolutely horrible. I thought the times he got burnt last year were rookie mistakes, but his guy was open EVERY single time they threw to him.... by at least 3-4 yards too. He is a sucker for double-moves EVERY time.

* We all know it was against a 3rd-string defense, but Brunell and Ramsey were so bad tonight, it only made you go "WOW" to Tim Hasselbeck's play even more. I still say he isn't on par with those two... and that will show in the next 4 preseason games... but man was he impressive this evening.

* Our fist units were awful tonight. Run D, Pass D, Pass O, Run O, and special teams were ALL made fools of... I can't blame the offense so much because I know Gibbs' didn't want to show ANY of his "real" plays... but the defense... they overpursued on every counter and bootleg...giving up huge gains. I know Williams' D is aggressive, but I don't know if they are just still learning and made assignment mistakes or whether his style of D just doesnt match up well to those plays.

SUNRA 08-09-2004 11:57 PM

Great composure from Hasselbeck. I liked him last year. Let's see if the QB's will learn the plays and go out and execute them like their supposed to. Taylor is the best prospect. He's has everything we need in a strong and I mean strong safety. Scott was impressive too.

SUNRA 08-09-2004 11:59 PM

Well, Redskins fans, it's about time to take it down. Hail to the Redskins and I look forward to many victories this year.

JWsleep 08-09-2004 11:59 PM

I pretty much agree with your assessment of the first units, Hail to the Redskins, but I think some of that is a function of Denver being a well developed veteran playoff team versus a sub-500 club with a new coaching staff and a bunch of new players. And Denver ran a lot of tricky miss direction stuff, bootlegs, etc., and they blitzed a lot. We'll look better.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 08-10-2004 12:12 AM

I tend to be one of the bigger pessimists on this site, but I think everyone is overreacting to tonight's game. First of all, it is just the first preseason game. Second of all, our defense turned the ball over three times, scored a touchdown, allowed only 1 touchdown, got pressure on the QBs, and was overall an improvement over last season. Third, we won the game. Fourth, its only the first preseason game. Fifth, its only the first preason game.

Re: Jansen
Jansen being out sucks. Kenyatta Jones will probably take his place. Our starting O-line should still be decent with Samuels, Dockery, Friedman, Thomas and Jones.

love them hogs 08-10-2004 12:38 AM

I think loosing Jansen for the year is going to hurt us big time.I know one man doesnt make a team but he is a conerstone of the franchise.We won so I cant complain but there is a LOT of rust to be knocked off.I expect that next week our offense will be better with Ramsey starting seeing as how he should be more comfortable with the first team.The play was sloppy and just like last year we cant seem to cover tight ends.I hope they take care of that or else other teams are going to take advantage of it again.The pass rush was better than I expected but the run D was much worse than expected.Sean Taylor is the obvious bright spot of the game but what about Springs pick off, that helped put me at ease about the trade but it is still early so we will have to wait and see.All and all I have mixed feelings about the game,some good and some bad.

SmootSmack 08-10-2004 12:56 AM

I thought what should be our starting secondary (Smoot, Springs, Taylor, Bowen) played really well. Led by Taylor of course.

Hasselbeck looked very poised and a guy we can trust to step in if necessary. True, he was playing against third stringers but who were his receivers? Gari Scott and Jafar Williams right? Not exactly starters themselves

Ramsey still has a lot of work to do, in terms of being able to quickly check off receivers and let go of the ball.

Obviously it's not good that Jansen is out for the year. But if something like this had to happen, I'm glad it happened now. We've got four more meaningless games to get someone in there who can gel with the rest of the offensive line.

I know the Redskins were 0-4 in the preseason the year that Gibbs won his first Super Bowl, but what were their preseason records in other Super Bowl years. Anybody remember?

RedskinPete 08-10-2004 01:02 AM

A lot of work to do!
 
It is funny that the Thrid QB on the depth chart is looking better with every passing day. I know this will not hold but I really thought Ramsey and Brunell would look better. As for the rest of the team not very good. Taylor was the best and the rest not so good.

PSUskinsfan11 08-10-2004 01:43 AM

more impressed with d-line pressure than o-line blocking.......

Hasselback, McCullough, Scott, Boshetti, Nic Clemons, Lott all played well

thank god we drafted ST instead of the soldier.....

Champ who??? Springs not only held his own while he was in but he had a sick INT.....

Rushing D is still suspect.........

That Guy 08-10-2004 02:52 AM

scott and simon looked good, mccullough had some plays too...
0 sacks against, we got 3 sacks... 0 ints against, we got 3 ints.. need i say more?

well, okay, Talyor is everything that you could possibly expect him this game, springs is a good corner (and currently healthy), and we did get some pressure... tim did himself another favor, and mccants also looked good.

the blitzing made or run defense look pretty bad though... hopefully thats not how williams is planning to run the real games...

NM Redskin 08-10-2004 03:14 AM

I like the fact that we WON the game!

ChounsMan 08-10-2004 07:38 AM

All in all it was a classic preseason game. Although, the skins struggled against the broncos starting D. Sean Taylor might just live up to the hype they talk about with last nights preseason performance. However, guys like Payton, Brady, & Farve are not that easy to read.

W/o Jansen the O-line with struggle all season :(

SkinsRock 08-10-2004 02:32 PM

My thoughts (I have not read through the game thread, so I apologize if I repeat anything)...
- Jansen's injury absolutely sucks! But consider the fact that the original "Hogs" were mostly late round or undrafted no-names until Bugel got a hold of them. I am hoping that Buges can work his magic with someone, at least for this year....no, not hoping....I am counting on it!!!
- Hasselbeck played well. He played like a guy with nothing to lose, which he pretty much is. The two "starters" could learn something from him! There's a reason Gibbs has praised him a lot recently. I think it is a) because he IS playing well, and b) to push Ramsey and Brunell.
- Taylor is a gamer. He also had a pick on Sat. during the scrimmage. Seems that he is adjusting to the NFL. Did anyone notice that his INT for the TD was on a boot-leg play....just like the ones that burned our D numerous times last year!!! :)
- Both offenses looked sloppy as hell. It was the first pre-season game. Clinton seemed to look like he was just starting to get comfortable when he was done for the game.
- Brunell and Ramsey looked about even....as Gibbs would say, "very rough." Yeah Ramsey got hit more, but consider the fact that the O-line was not the starters for him, except maybe his first couple plays.
- Did anybody notice that until later in the game, about 3/4 of the penalties were against Denver? I was very happy about that.

All in all, being an extra 5th pre-season game, away for both teams, it was really not much more than a glorified scrimmage. Gibbs got to see what mistakes need to be fixed. Should be very interesting to see how they progress throughout the pre-season.

bridaman51 08-11-2004 07:55 AM

I paid particular attention to Brandon Noble, (well I hope it was him I did not catch the name was not in much but the number was 99 or 96 and he had one hand wrapped pretty well so I assumed that was the broken one). If that was not him whoever it was had a decent game albeit against the second and third string but he did bring down Mike Anderson twice the back field. He did not play much but when he was in, Denvers running game was nothing. I really would like to see how many yards and how many times they ran with him in there. He was in the back field making a tackle atleast twice while i was watching.

MTK 08-11-2004 08:07 AM

Noble didn't even make the trip, he's #75. Griffin is #96 and may be who you are referring to.

bridaman51 08-11-2004 10:29 AM

That is possiblity, but I thought it was a second string guy. Does Griffin play some with the second unit?

Redskins_P 08-11-2004 10:30 AM

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Noble didn't even make the trip, he's #75. Griffin is #96 and may be who you are referring to.[/QUOTE]


Maybe it was Salvea'a....he's number 99. I think he started.

MTK 08-11-2004 10:38 AM

Salvea'a did start with Griffin


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