Champ's comments
 

I just read this from the Washington Post in the article about the Quarterbacks Struggle.

Bailey also commented on Washington's front office chain of command. "Put it like this," said Bailey, a four-time Pro Bowl selection. "The people that know football here run the team. The people that know football in Washington don't run the team. That pretty much says it all."

I hope he was talking about the Spurrier debacle (sorry Daseal). If not, what an ass

Wow if this is true it meens i have an awful lot less respect for Champ. Thing is if he came out and said from day one that he did not want to be here and refused to even talk to the Skins fair enough but if Dan would have broken the bank for him i have the feeling he would still be in burgendy and gold.

Yeah, he said that and something about the difference between playing for the Redskins and Broncos like "night and day"

Whatever, he can say what he wants. Redskins should and will take the high road on this and let their play do the talking

champs a rat, real classy guy... and all that...

Is he totally off base? Or did you guys miss the part about the Skins being the 3rd worst team in the NFC, something like 5th worse overall, since Gibbs retired? Say whatever you want, but the proof is in the pudding, and only the Cardinals and Saints a have worse record over that time span. So I think his comments have merit, because Snyder not knowing football is the only excuse for that piss poor record.

He got fed up playing for a tumultuous organization. Now he is in a place with stability who annually challenges for a playoff spot.

Plus, whats he going to say. "Oh well, I wish I was back playing for Joe Gibbs"?

[QUOTE=memphisskin]Is he totally off base? Or did you guys miss the part about the Skins being the 3rd worst team in the NFC, something like 5th worse overall, since Gibbs retired? Say whatever you want, but the proof is in the pudding, and only the Cardinals and Saints a have worse record over that time span. So I think his comments have merit, because Snyder not knowing football is the only excuse for that piss poor record.[/QUOTE]


but my point to this was he commenting on Gibbs or Spurrier...If his comments were directed towards Gibbs then he is obviously not worthy of being a Redskin anymore...If they were directed towards Spurrier then, yes, his comments have merit.

I dont know about you all but when Champ was here I loved him. He seemed like a character guy who just wanted to play ball, and really thought he would have been excited to play for Gibbs who would teach these players how to be a true Redskin. He did not want that so out the door he went and the way the skins attacked him I loved it. He is not all that, He is not above the game nor the team. When Gardner caught that pass in front of him it was great and given a whole game I know Coles would have schooled him to.

What Champ thinks really doesn't concern me. He's not a Redskin anymore, let him say whatever he wants. Who cares?

[QUOTE=NY_Skinsfan]but my point to this was he commenting on Gibbs or Spurrier...If his comments were directed towards Gibbs then he is obviously not worthy of being a Redskin anymore...If they were directed towards Spurrier then, yes, his comments have merit.[/QUOTE]

They'd have to be directed at Snyder and Spurrier. But again, he played for the team, he hasn't been rooting for them his entire life like most of us. And he's seen Snyder continually change boats midstream. So it's not like he doesn't know what he's talking about, he was closer to the action than any of us. But, he doesn't fully understand the historical context of the situation. Gibbs is a HOF coach, and to bring him back is a huge statement by Snyder that he wants to win. I do think Champ is right, the guys who have been running Redskin football do not know football. If they did, we wouldn't have been so bad for so long. And we've been bad, one playoff win in 11 years is the same as the Arizona Cardinals. Does anyone out there think the Bidwells know football?

Like Matty says "who cares"? It would have been nice if Champ had said something like "I enjoyed my time there, appreciate the fans support, sorry we couldn't bring another title to DC but I'm focused now on winning a championship for Denver" Something generic like that

By the way, remember when Mike Sellers went to the Browns and he badmouthed Snyder's meddling in Redskins practices (flying in on a helicopter, etc.)? Seemed like he wouldn't ever play for the Redskin again, but I guess money talks

yeah, the thing i didn't like it that he was perfectly willing to stay and say how much he loved it, if he got paid. Since he didn't he'll bad mouth the organization that gave him a lot of money... its kinda rude/infantile, if he had more class he could have thanked the fans and said he's happier in denver, not that crap he decided to air on national TV.

Champ who?

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Champ who?[/QUOTE]
exactly.

When I was watching the game my fiance said isn't it weird to see Champ in another uniform, I said seeing Portis in a Redskins uniform more than makes up for it.

Champ is history. He was a great player here but it's time to turn the page. Like SS said, it would have been nice if Champ had a water under the bridge attitude, but he doesn't. There's no sense in anyone from the Redskins organization responding to his comments. It's over.

The Redskins have been bad when it comes to running this team. That was then this is now. By the way Champ they were so bad they picked you. Show some kind of class and shut up!

He was commenting on how it [I]was [/I] last year and prior. He obviously has no clue what Gibbs brings. Oh well. Like Matty said, who cares?
To paraphrase his quote about Snyder: As far as I'm concerned, Bailey doesn't even exist anymore. I don't have to see him every week anymore, so I don't really care what he says or does.

NY Skinsfan:

Just a guess here but I think that the list of folks that he is talking about include:

Danny Boy
Vinnie Boombatz
Pepper Rodgers

These are the guys who ran the football show here during most if not all of Champ's tenure.

He may or may not have included in his statement Norv Turner, Terry Robiske (how soon we all have forgotten the achievements of that era), Marty Schottenheimer and Steve Spurrier.

And by the way, if someone offers a criticism of Joe Gibbs, that does not make that person an evil one to be shunned. Even Mr. Gibbs would be most uncomfortable in the role of a diety - the only way that it is fundamentally wrong ever to criticize him.

Now go back and look at the top three list of names. Which one of them belongs in the Canton HoF as a great football mind? If they had a wing of the HoF for most money shelled out, Danny Boy is a shoo-in for induction; but a great football mind? Just remember these words Jeff ... George.

He is now Chump to me. I can see him wanting too leave the past 2 or 3 years, but now when there is a sign of hope to turn his bad on the team, only means one thing. He was not a true Redskin.

Skins fan 44:

If that is YOUR definition of a "true Redskin", then Joe Gibbs certainly isn't one.

By his own words he thought about leaving the Skins for a year of so before he did. He left when the squad was still solid and there was hope for the next season. He turned his back on the team.

Excuse me, but what Gibbs did was to take his life into another place and to pay more attention to his racing team and spend a lot more timie with both of his sons. It wasnt' evil

What Champ did was take a better deal in Denver than he could get here. And when asked about playing in Denver and Washington he gave his opinion - which you obviously don't agree with or appreciate. That doesn't make him evil either.

My definition of a "true Redskin" is someone who will give 100% effort and to subjugate his personal goals and desires to the team's goals. Not for forever and a day but for the duration of his contract here.

I agree with Memphis. Champ Bailey is 100% correct about the way the Redskins were. Dan Snyder has not been a help to the Washington Redskins. I love Joe Gibbs and couldn't be happier that he's back in town, but I'm trying to curb my excitement just a little until we see the regular season. Dan Snyder can really do a lot to screw up a good team, I have a lot of questions about the upcoming season.

What if Ramsey starts, how will Dan react? Remember when Brad Johnson held off Jeff George in camp, but Snyder made it clear George was his guy so any mistake Johnson made he had to look over his shoulder?

How long does he stay with Gibbs, if by some unforeseen reason they do have a losing season or 2? Remember that Spurrier was "the guy he always wanted too."

I agree with Champ about the way the Skins used to be and I believe that I would have the same reservations about returning to the team that he did. Snyder saying "Gibbs is my guy" doesn't really mean anything because that's what he said about Spurrier. I would think he would have more respect than to fire Gibbs at the first sign of trouble, but I'm not sure. I know a lot of you will say that he didn't fire Spurrier, but after last season he should have and they shouldn't have fired Marty.

All of that said, I think things are going to change...but how can I be sure? Please turn us around Joe...if anyone can do it, it's you!!

[QUOTE=jdlea]
How long does he stay with Gibbs, if by some unforeseen reason they do have a losing season or 2? Remember that Spurrier was "the guy he always wanted too."[/QUOTE]


jdlea...Snyder will never fire Gibbs. Snyder looks up to Gibbs just like we do. There is no comparison between Gibbs and Spurrier whatsoever...even if Spurrier was "the guy he always wanted."

Spurrier was basically the guy he always wanted....if Gibbs wasn't available. Rules change when Gibbs says he's willing to come back

I thought at the time that Champ Bailey would take off where Darrell Green left off. However, when a talented player such as Bailey sees the kind of disorganization that Synder and Spurrier brought to the last seasons, it's not hard to understand his position. Bailey's performance wasn't as impressive as his first year in 1999. His reputation as a shut-down corner had gone to his head which is why he demanded more money after he was offered probably the most money a corner could earn in a year. I'm very happy with Springs, Smoot, Taylor and Bowen.

Ralph Brown and Rudolph Brown deserve an honorable mention.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Ralph Brown and Rudolph Brown deserve an honorable mention.[/QUOTE]

Rufus Brown, and yes he did impress!

Champ has every right to feel the way he does. We all used to love him and think hed be a skin for life. But Snyder basically chose arrington over bailey. Imagine how much shit arrington would be saying if he didnt get his big extension. Both had to deal with a different cordinator every year, both played for a shitty team...

I never have anythign bad to say about the skins, im a huge fan, but there are some things you cant argue. If you played on the skins defense in teh last five years you went through hell.