Jansen's replacement
 

sad day for skins fans but let's discuss

well, no one can replace Jon Jansen. not as a tackle, not as a Redskin.

i say we cut Brunell and his blind side, get a vet free agent, and let Bugel make something out of him.

Kenyatta Jones started at RT for the Pats. Jones should be at RT next to Thomas, with Friedman in the middle, and Dockery and Samuels on the other side.

I voted for Winey. I think he played well last year when he played for injured Samuels. He's a big guy, I think like 6'6 300+ and played decently under that horrible blocking scheme that we like to call the chuck and duck.

I think Buges pointed him out a couple of times during minicamp and training camp. I think we have pretty good depth on the o-line, and a great coach to go with it. Bottom line, whoever is going replace Jansen WILL be prepared and Buges won't put a guy in there that he's not 100% comfortable with.

Jansen's loss really, really hurts. But when stuff like this happens it could bring out the best in everyone on the team. Guys will play hard for the #1 Dirt Bag, and Gibbs will have the guys fighting hard.

I was thinking Winey also. He definately stepped in and played well at LT last season. I think it looks like we have a few solid players who can step in on the right side and play. No one who brings what Jansen can, but I think there is at least one legitimate tackle in that bunch.

I think this just became another spot of competition for the skins, and I dont think the decision will be made until the last preseason game.

I believe in Joe Bugel's ability to coach whoever is in there to be a decent replacement and not become an instant liability.

Probably a combination of Winey and Kenyatta Jones.. If I remeber correctly, Jones was a pretty high pick of the Pats a few years ago but trouble off the field and injuries made them release him. I would expect him to be able to step in and at least be competent. Winey played well last year but I don't think he's a natural right tackle like Jones is.

I voted for K. Jones, however I think Winey will have a shot at it too. I think Winey played pretty well when he came in for us last season. Jones however seemes to have a biger upside, and must be impressing in camp, since he started last night for Thomas. I dont know, I just hope for the best. I really miss Jansen.

First of GET WELL JANSEN!!!!!

But we do have to move on and I know Buges and Gibss will put the player in there and whoever it is will get the job done.

Personally, I dont think we should stick a rookie in there this year. Remember Dockery last season?? Hes a freaking beast now, but it took him a while to pick it up.

I said Winey, he played surprising well last year at left takle. And considering hopefully Ramsey wins the job, it should be a little easier for him on the right side. Buges is gonna have to def. work his magic though.

Typical Buges move would be to slide Dockery over to tackle(which is his natural position), slide Friedman over to guard and start Raymer at Center. Winey and Jones will work to but my bet is that they will do the slide as Buges empasis on multi tasking lineman.

[QUOTE=CRT3]Typical Buges move would be to slide Dockery over to tackle(which is his natural position), slide Friedman over to guard and start Raymer at Center. Winey and Jones will work to but my bet is that they will do the slide as Buges empasis on multi tasking lineman.[/QUOTE]

This might be the best idea I have heard. If we had Samuels, Dockery , Friedman, Thomas and Raymer on the feild, that would be undobutley the best offensive linemen that we have at our disposal. As long as everyone could adapt to any position changes, that would be the best scenerio.

I'm not sure that Dockery has the feet to play tackle, that was the knock on him coming out. I trust Bugel will make the right move and have that guy ready to go.

I wonder if Samuels could move to RT and Winey could start at LT?

i wanna see winey

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]This might be the best idea I have heard. If we had Samuels, Dockery , Friedman, Thomas and Raymer on the feild, that would be undobutley the best offensive linemen that we have at our disposal. As long as everyone could adapt to any position changes, that would be the best scenerio.[/QUOTE]That's my bet.

I don't think we'll be seing Samuels being moved, but who knows. He's been a mainstay over there on the left side for a while. Like you, I trust Buges's decision making skills.

At least this didn't happen on 9/03.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]This might be the best idea I have heard. If we had Samuels, Dockery , Friedman, Thomas and Raymer on the feild, that would be undobutley the best offensive linemen that we have at our disposal. As long as everyone could adapt to any position changes, that would be the best scenerio.[/QUOTE]

And you still have Jones, Winey and Wilson for depth. They could step in when needed. Not a bad idea. Good thing they got Raymer back in the Oseason.

Dockery to play RT because he does not have the footspeed to pull out at guard but he has the quickness to move a few steps and engage a pass rusher.

To whomever said he was a beast, please don't insult The Blob like that...

SC, with all due respect if Dockery is too slow to play guard then he's definitely not better off at RT. Guys like Strahan will eat him for lunch, I don't even want to think about it. How about Kearse rushing wide on him, it would be an absolute nightmare. :doh:

He's better off inside working in a tight space. Putting him on an island would not be a wise move IMO.

Matty:

I wasn't clear in my previous post.

What Dockery cannot do is run forward very fast to lead a running play anywhere beyond the right guard. That is what I mean by "slow". He is quck enough in that he gets off the ball and into a blocking position quickly, but he cannot run straight ahead very fast. I think he might be able to outrun a snowman, but I'm not sure I'd wager on that...

Tackles are not asked to run fast on many plays but they do need to be big and strong and have the quick feet to get into a blocking position. Doclery is big; I presume that he is strong or he would have been dropped off the starting OL because Bugel seems not to like folks who do not get with the weight lifting program; he has quick feet.

I'd move him to tackle if it were my choice until he showed me in the later pre-season games that he just can't do that. After all, Jones has already plaayed RT in the NFL - albeit not spectacularly - so waiting to put him there is not a huge penalty while you see if Dockery can actually make the switch.

SC, I wouldn't be surprised if Dockery is tried out at RT, I'm just not confident he'll stick.

Most of the scouting reports on him coming out of college said he would be better off playing guard in the NFL as there were questions about his quickness.

I just can't see him faring very well against speed rushers, then again the dropoff from Jansen to anybody we have is going to be significant.

It's a good thing Gibbs relies heavily on his backs and h-backs to help out up front, because they're going to be vital to our pass protection with Jansen out.

Trade for a vet!!!

P.S. All you central florida skinz fanz come to Gators Dockside in Eustis on sundayz!!
Skinz club now forming!!!!

marc wilson looked solid in the second half yesterday

tackle is a much slower position than guard dockery may be a perfect fit

Next week is Carolina....Will Julius Peppers be a good test for these guys? Or will Samuels be guarding him? I don't know too much about him (Peppers) but remember hearing that he had a lot of sacks in a short period of time.

I like the idea of Kenyatta Jones starting. Maybe we could bring back Brad Badger for some veteran depth as well

remember this person has to protect brunnels blind side

I think Gibbs will go with KJones...
The Times says that the 'skins are looking at former Dolphins Guard Jamie Nails and former Chargers Tackle Vaughn Parker to fill out the line.

Sounds like Jones is getting the first look at RT. The Warpath spoke and Bugel listened! LOL

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]remember this person has to protect brunnels blind side[/QUOTE]

Ok lets eliminate the blindside theory. In the typical Gibbs, Buges, Simmons, Burns, and Breux offense, there really is no strong side weak side offensive set up. It is predicated on a balance set up with motion to confuse. The point is to bring the 8th and 9th man in the box so as to go up top. Untill then they just play smash mouth straight ahead or via the counter trey.

I agree that Dockery is not fast but is quick. This will hinder his ability in the counter attack as it requires fairly nimble tackles. But they will put there best 5 lineman on the field and they do require multi tasking lineman for those who remember the past.I seem to recall a lineman going down on a yearly basis (Bosic, Lachey, Jacoby, Grimm ??, Schrelth, and etc..) and they pluged and shuffle their way to a few Super Bowls.

So what will happen is what will happen along as we keep on hearing that imortal phrase "Touchdown Washington Redskins"

the carolina D line is one of the best in the league, and will definately give us a good indication of how well gibbs basic (vanilla) blocking package and O-line are able to deal with serious pressure.