Belichick is Coach of the Year
 

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/01/03/bc.fbn.nflcoachofyear.ap/index.html]SI.com - NFL - Belichick wins Coach of Year - Thursday January 3, 2008 2:20PM[/url]

Hooray!!! Nice to see the award go to such a good guy.

He did only receive 29 of the 50 votes. McCarthy was in second with 15 votes.

Also getting votes were Dallas coach Wade Phillips and Jacksonville's Jack Del Rio (two each), and Indianapolis' Tony Dungy and Tampa Bay's Jon Gruden (one each).


So... how does Joe Gibbs not get at least ONE VOTE after the incredible job he did this year pulling this team together?

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Here come the Haters.

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Bill Belichick led a team into the history books, he deserves it. Of course, if the Patriots don't win it all people will say why don't we wait until after the playoffs to pick the coach of the year?

As for Gibbs, I mean I love the guy and think he is one of the best leaders in any walk of life and what he's done this past month has been outstanding. So yeah he probably deserved at least one vote. But let's not forget that before we went from 5-7 to 9-7 we went from 5-3 to 5-7.

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The only one that doesn't make sense to me is Gruden.

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Just to be clear, I do think Belichick should have won, no question. I thought he was going to sweep the voting, to be honest. I was just surprised to see that with 21 votes hanging out there, no one thought JG's job was worthy of a vote. I'm not pulling my hair out or anything, but surprised.

I do not think that Wade Phillips is deserving of a vote though. Basically, he's riding the coattails of Bill Parcells. Does anyone really think that if Tuna was still in Dallas that this team is worse off? I don't.

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Who said cheaters never win?

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I'm sorry, but I'm in the minority here and do not think he should have been named coach of the year. The guy cheated, got slapped with the biggest fine on a coach in the history of the league, and cost his team a 1st round pick, not to mention his other acts of class.

Giving Belichick the COY award is almost akin to giving a Pulitzer to an author who plagiarized parts of someone else's book. In the absence of the cheating scandal, Belichick undoubtedly deserves it. In light of the cheating scandal, he doesn't.

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16-0 is a pretty strong argument. Especially in light of the fact that they were caught recording signals in week 1. There was never any benefit this year from that episode. (the tapes would have helped only in preparation for the second time they played the Jets) So while it was technically cheating and undoubtedly low class, I can't ignore the fact that it was pretty inconsequential. I think the scandal only served to taint their past accomplishments if anything, going forward they will be closely watched so it shouldn't diminish what they are doing now. All of that said, BB is still an arrogant prick.

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Gibbs got ripped off. It is a 16 game season, this award should be given at the end of the season when things sort out, such as how far the coach took the team, i.e, playoffs, SB. That's when the award should be given, If McCarthy took his team to the SB then McCarthy gets it or if Gibbs makes it to the SB then Gibbs. Belichick despite of his record, as punishment shouldn't have considered.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;401163]Gibbs got ripped off. It is a 16 game season, this award should be given at the end of the season when things sort out, such as how far the coach took the team, i.e, playoffs, SB. That's when the award should be given, If McCarthy took his team to the SB then McCarthy gets it or if Gibbs makes it to the SB then Gibbs. Belichick despite of his record, as punishment shouldn't have considered.[/QUOTE]

I understand your point about BB, but are you saying that whoever wins the superbowl is automatically coach of the year?

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;401162]16-0 is a pretty strong argument. Especially in light of the fact that they were caught recording signals in week 1. There was never any benefit this year from that episode. (the tapes would have helped only in preparation for the second time they played the Jets) So while it was technically cheating and undoubtedly low class, I can't ignore the fact that it was pretty inconsequential. I think the scandal only served to taint their past accomplishments if anything, going forward they will be closely watched so it shouldn't diminish what they are doing now. All of that said, BB is still an arrogant prick.[/QUOTE]

I definitely see your point. The "cheating" didn't end up providing the Pats with a competitive advantage. But, I find it hard to honor a coach as the COY when he has been caught cheating, regardless of whether such cheating affected games.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;401173]I definitely see your point. The "cheating" didn't end up providing the Pats with a competitive advantage. But, I find it hard to honor a coach as the COY when he has been caught cheating, regardless of whether such cheating affected games.[/QUOTE]


I'd be really surprised if the league makes a big deal out of it, honestly. They should just parcel post his trophy to him and forget it. No point in honoring someone who's just going to be bitter and caustic to the very people who voted him the award.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;401171]I understand your point about BB, but are you saying that whoever wins the superbowl is automatically coach of the year?[/QUOTE]

No. This year you have Belichick, Del Rio, McCarthy, Phillips, Dungy, Gruden. All this guys teams are in contention. I would rule out Belichick (as penalty) Dungy and Phillips. Del Rio, Gruden, McCarthy and Gibbs are almost equal on the job they've done (I'm partial to Gibbs due to homerism and the amount of drama the team has gone thru) then out of those 4 whoever gets furthest I would give him the award, if it's a tie then go with the record.

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Belichick is Public Enemy Number One in my family. More so than JJ. Do not run the score up on us, and ever expect us to forget about it. Asshole! I hope he retires at the top of his game next year.

Im watching you Bill, I will always watch. Can you feel it?

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[QUOTE=Monksdown;401184]Belichick is Public Enemy Number One in my family. More so than JJ. Do not run the score up on us, and ever expect us to forget about it. Asshole! I hope he retires at the top of his game next year.

Im watching you Bill, I will always watch. Can you feel it?[/QUOTE]

I'm praying that we make it to the SB and play NE. Payback would be sweet, not only would we ruin NE perfect season but Gibbs would rein over Belichick as the best coach ever. A double FU in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;401141]The only one that doesn't make sense to me is Gruden.[/QUOTE]
Tampa won the NFC South with 9 wins after going 4-12 last year...5 game swing and a division crown isn't too bad.

If we want to play that numbers game...Gibbs did the same thing. However, the Skins finished 3rd in a much tougher division.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;401157]I'm sorry, but I'm in the minority here and do not think he should have been named coach of the year. The guy cheated, got slapped with the biggest fine on a coach in the history of the league, and cost his team a 1st round pick, not to mention his other acts of class.

Giving Belichick the COY award is like giving an Pulitzer to an author who plagiarized parts of someone else's book. In the absence of the cheating scandal, Belichick undoubtedly deserves it. In light of the cheating scandal, he doesn't.[/quote]

I agree with you SGG 100%.

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i love reading all the gibbs got robbed crap because a redskin didn't win something. Lets see, Belichick went undefeated, and rightfully won the coach of the year. McCarthy(green bay, probably spelled the name wrong) went 13-3 with a team that was 8-8 last season, Wade Philips went 13-3 with a team that couldn't win more than 9 or 10 games with a hall of fame coach - Gibbs on the other hand, if the decision was made for the last 4 weeks, then yeah i guess you can give him some votes. but the over all season evaluation does not warrant him getting any more votes or votes at all over the guys that were named. Romeo should have gotten votes before Joe - 10-6 in cleveland?? thats pretty freaking remarkable. and Jeff fisher - 10-6 with a talentless titans team. Stop freaking out everytime someone from the Redskins isn't given something or given "props"

with our payroll, players and coaches, we should have certainly been better than our final record. with that said, the records go back to 0-0 this weekend, so HAIL SKINS, lets whip some seattle ass!

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well sports illustrated what can you really say other than that.
SI finest stand out and i,ll leave it at that..let the voters vote and the writers write.

gibbs has already owned that award a few years and would be nice to get it again but i,ll take another superbowl ring in a year or two,if not this year.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;401198]i love reading all the gibbs got robbed crap because a redskin didn't win something. Lets see, Belichick went undefeated, and rightfully won the coach of the year. McCarthy(green bay, probably spelled the name wrong) went 13-3 with a team that was 8-8 last season, Wade Philips went 13-3 with a team that couldn't win more than 9 or 10 games with a hall of fame coach - Gibbs on the other hand, if the decision was made for the last 4 weeks, then yeah i guess you can give him some votes. but the over all season evaluation does not warrant him getting any more votes or votes at all over the guys that were named. Romeo should have gotten votes before Joe - 10-6 in cleveland?? thats pretty freaking remarkable. and Jeff fisher - 10-6 with a talentless titans team. Stop freaking out everytime someone from the Redskins isn't given something or given "props"

with our payroll, players and coaches, we should have certainly been better than our final record. with that said, the records go back to 0-0 this weekend, so HAIL SKINS, lets whip some seattle ass![/QUOTE]

I think Bleed made it clear that he wasn't bitching, just saying he felt that Gibbs deserved at least one vote. Hard to argue against that really, I think.

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total crap...this guy cheats and is fined and even docked a 1st round pick and still gets the coach of the year?

It is all about W and L, nothing about integrity or character....obviously.

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[quote=skinsnut;401207]total crap...this guy cheats and is fined and even docked a 1st round pick and still gets the coach of the year?

It is all about W and L, nothing about integrity or character....obviously.[/quote]
All teams cheat to a point. If a WR catches a ball and knows he is out of bounds he should show the integrity to say so or the lineman who grabs a little jersy so the ref cannot see it is cheating etc... Every team does cheat the rules to a point but if its not pointed out by the Refs then its ok in the eyes of the players. Heck even sometime coaches and players will hurry to spike the ball so the Refs cannot get the right call. You can call that good playing but if you are knowingly breaking a rule and do not say so then why is that not a character or integrity issue?

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Belichick shouldn't get it for the simple fact that he cheated. I don't care if it didn't really change the team from going 16-0. He cheated. Case closed. I'm for the asterisk.

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I dont understand how BB didnt get all 50 votes. He did something that has not been done in a long, long, long time, going undefeated in the regular season.

It a regular season award, he was perfect in the regular season. This was the biggest no brainer in the history of awards.

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[quote=irish;401235]I dont understand how BB didnt get all 50 votes. He did something that has not been done in a long, long, long time, going undefeated in the regular season.

It a regular season award, he was perfect in the regular season. This was the biggest no brainer in the history of awards.[/quote]

Maybe because he's a royal a-hole?

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If the requirements to be coach of the year are defined as being an arrogant self absorbed jerk. A coach who promotes poor sportsmanship and disdain for professionalism. Openly participating in disgusting schemes to cheat, and showing malice and contempt for the authorities of the league.

Then yes, they gave it to the right man. (and he should have gotten all 50 votes)

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I'm not suprised, he may be the biggest a-hole in the league but he deserves recognition for going 16-0.

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not a chance this went to anyone else...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;401236]Maybe because he's a royal a-hole?[/QUOTE]

Can I assume you think it ok for a voter to with hold a vote because he doesnt like a guy no matter how deserving of the award the guy is?

I guess I dont know the guy to know for sure if he's really an a-hole or not. He isnt the most warm person on the field or to the media but thats the public persona and the private person are not necessarily the same.

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[quote=irish;401338]Can I assume you think it ok for a voter to with hold a vote because he doesnt like a guy no matter how deserving of the award the guy is?

I guess I dont know the guy to know for sure if he's really an a-hole or not. He isnt the most warm person on the field or to the media but thats the public persona and the private person are not necessarily the same.[/quote]

I never said it was ok, just throwing out a reason why some people might not have voted for him. Right or wrong, some voters might take those sort of things in to account.

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Where is the integrity in the NFL? 16-0 is hands down the best coach-of-the-year bullet on a resume and I understand it would be difficult to discount that fact in the voting.

Yes, without a doubt, Gibbs should have been considered. With all the adversity the Skins faced this season, more than any other team they needed leadership and Gibbs provided it more than admirably. And to land a playoff spot when most pre-season predictions said the Skins would finish sub .500 only leads to that credence. That is the only reason McCarthy was second in the voting. Sports writers simply projected an 8-8 season for Green Bay and they exceeded expectations. Well so did the Redskins under MUCH more adverse conditions than that of Green Bay. No disrespect to Mike McCarthy intended.

But I asked where is the integrity? When a player breaks the rules in the regular season, he is NOT allowed to attend the Pro Bowl no matter what his accomplishments. Then WHY oh WHY is a coach, who is CAUGHT cheating even considered for this honor.

Another indication of exactly WHO Roger Goodell really works for...the owners. Not for the players.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;401343]Where is the integrity in the NFL? 16-0 is hands down the best coach-of-the-year bullet on a resume and I understand it would be difficult to discount that fact in the voting.

Yes, without a doubt, Gibbs should have been considered. With all the adversity the Skins faced this season, more than any other team they needed leadership and Gibbs provided it more than admirably. And to land a playoff spot when most pre-season predictions said the Skins would finish sub .500 only leads to that credence. That is the only reason McCarthy was second in the voting. Sports writers simply projected an 8-8 season for Green Bay and they exceeded expectations. Well so did the Redskins under MUCH more adverse conditions than that of Green Bay. No disrespect to Mike McCarthy intended.

But I asked where is the integrity? When a player breaks the rules in the regular season, he is NOT allowed to attend the Pro Bowl no matter what his accomplishments. Then WHY oh WHY is a coach, who is CAUGHT cheating even considered for this honor.

Another indication of exactly WHO Roger Goodell really works for...the owners. Not for the players.[/QUOTE]

Did Shawne Merriman make the Pro Bowl last season? I forget, honestly.

As for Belichick, I think in his defense these spying issues were at the beginning of the year and really did not affect this year, which is what he's being honored for.

On the flip side, how much of their success can really be attributed to Belichick? Hard to say I guess. In the end though, you can't beat 16-0 and I have no problem with him being recognized for it.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;401350]Did Shawne Merriman make the Pro Bowl last season? I forget, honestly.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure Merriman made the Pro Bowl and was either 2nd or 3rd in voting for Defensive player of the year, but that was before the rule was in place.

I'd love to know what Bill Simmons thinks of this because he was so against Merriman making the Pro Bowl or being considered for the D.P.O.Y. award last year. I imagine that he'll try to spin it by saying something like either knowingly breaking the rules by video taping the other team isn't on par with using performance enhancers or that coaches shouldn't be held to the same standards that players are.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;401350]Did Shawne Merriman make the Pro Bowl last season? I forget, honestly.

As for Belichick, I think in his defense these spying issues were at the beginning of the year and really did not affect this year, which is what he's being honored for.

On the flip side, how much of their success can really be attributed to Belichick? Hard to say I guess. In the end though, you can't beat 16-0 and I have no problem with him being recognized for it.[/QUOTE]

I think this spying stuff is blown way out of proportion. As was stated over and over in print & on tv what BB was doing was being done by many teams but the unwritten code of the NFL was dont ask, dont tell. The Jets coach broke that code and the media latched onto a story.

Did BB cheat? Sure, but so were most other teams. Its much to-do over nothing.

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I think BB tries not to be liked and tries not to become friends with other teams and coaches. Its much easier to beat up on a team that you don't like rather than a friend across the field from you. Back in the days players hated other team players and you can see that when they enterview these old timers on TV. They talk about wanting to knock the guys head off and thing like that. Today the players and coaches all come out and hugh and stuff before the game. Its hard to want and knock some ones head off after just being buddy buddy with them.

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Just because other teams might do it doesn't make what the Patriots did any more right or acceptable.

I think what really irks people is the way Belichick dealt with the aftermath of the situation. He wasn't apologetic and was his usual standoff-ish self.

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[QUOTE=irish;401367]I think this spying stuff is blown way out of proportion. As was stated over and over in print & on tv what BB was doing was being done by many teams but the unwritten code of the NFL was dont ask, dont tell. The Jets coach broke that code and the media latched onto a story.

Did BB cheat? Sure, but so were most other teams. Its much to-do over nothing.[/QUOTE]

BB and the Pats knew it was wrong, had been advised (like all other teams) that it was illegal, and yet he did it? Why would a "genius" like BB risk severe sanctions, the tarnishment of his reputation, etc. unless there was some competitive advantage to be gained? And most former QBs on TV (e.g., Steve Young, Cris Collinsworth, Boomer Esiason, etc.) said that knowing the defensive signals would be HUGE. If you were a QB and you knew when and how a disguised blitz is coming, wouldn't you be at an advantage. If you knew whether a RB needed to stay in to block or go run a route, wouldn't that be an advantage? If you could adjust your wideouts routes at the LOS based on knowing the coverage, would that not give you an advantage?

Also, I have yet to hear anything about other teams videotaping the signals. If you have inside info that other teams are doing as much, please share.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;401376]BB and the Pats knew it was wrong, had been advised (like all other teams) that it was illegal, and yet he did it? Why would a "genius" like BB risk severe sanctions, the tarnishment of his reputation, etc. unless there was some competitive advantage to be gained? And most former QBs on TV (e.g., Steve Young, Cris Collinsworth, Boomer Esiason, etc.) said that knowing the defensive signals would be HUGE. If you were a QB and you knew when and how a disguised blitz is coming, wouldn't you be at an advantage. If you knew whether a RB needed to stay in to block or go run a route, wouldn't that be an advantage? If you could adjust your wideouts routes at the LOS based on knowing the coverage, would that not give you an advantage?

Also, I have yet to hear anything about other teams videotaping the signals. If you have inside info that other teams are doing as much, please share.[/QUOTE]

What severe sanctions? They lost a first round draft pick and BB had to pay a fine. Big deal. I really dont think BB's rep is tarnished at all. If he had little to no success this scandal would be all he's known for but his huge success will in the end make this taping scandal a mere footnote.

I guess knowing the signals would be huge if you assume those signals never change. I suspect they change quite often.

I heard the discussions about about other teams taping on various sports shows (mostly ESPN) and in some papers. I dont have any inside info.

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How is sacrificing a first round pick not severe? It should have been more severe, but it's still severe.

As for other teams doing it, the common sentiment is that many teams have done it. When an opposing coach gets wind of it they tell the offending coach to stop...and he does. No league officials get involved. The difference in this case is that BB supposedly been told on more than one occassion to stop, but didn't. And that Mangini broke an unwritten rule by going to the league with it.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;401452]As for other teams doing it, the common sentiment is that many teams have done it. When an opposing coach gets wind of it they tell the offending coach to stop...and he does. No league officials get involved. The difference in this case is that BB supposedly been told on more than one occassion to stop, but didn't. And that Mangini broke an unwritten rule by going to the league with it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't aware of those unwritten rules. I don't understand why Mangini is getting pissed on violating an unwritten rule by going to the league when BB was violating an unwritten rule by continuing to tape after being told not to.