Time To Take A Que From The Best
 

Looking at how poorly key players performed not only today but throughout the season, it is now beyond obvious we need to take a que from the best team/best coach in the league: the NE Patriots/Bill Belichick.

The Pats cleaned house on all their receivers from last year and went out to get high quality guys (unfortunately, we got some of the leavings in Caldwell who dropped a pass today). But the drops, all year long, and the extraordinary mental errors from Moss have been appalling. This is not to mention the complete bust of B. Lloyd. It is time to retire the WR corps and bring in new guys.

This is aside from bringing in new talent on the o-line, which probably remains the top priority, but I think after today the extreme weakness in the WR group cannot be ignored.

However... looking at the bigger picture this season was an enormous improvement over '06. We have a very long way to go but the defense looks pretty solid going forward, which gives coaches/front office the opportunity to go out and build an offense.

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Hey MT give it a rest.

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Yeah I still think we need a tall receiver but I cant see us getting rid of Moss or Randle El nor would I want to.

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I totally agree, the WRs were terrible today with so many drops and through the hand I lost track. Moss quitting on that INT is just unacceptable.

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;402369]Looking at how poorly key players performed not only today but throughout the season, it is now beyond obvious we need to take a que from the best team/best coach in the league: the NE Patriots/Bill Belichick.

The Pats cleaned house on all their receivers from last year and went out to get high quality guys (unfortunately, we got some of the leavings in Caldwell who dropped a pass today). But the drops, all year long, and the extraordinary mental errors from Moss have been appalling. This is not to mention the complete bust of B. Lloyd. It is time to retire the WR corps and bring in new guys.

This is aside from bringing in new talent on the o-line, which probably remains the top priority, but I think after today the extreme weakness in the WR group cannot be ignored.

However... looking at the bigger picture this season was an enormous improvement over '06. We have a very long way to go but the defense looks pretty solid going forward, which gives coaches/front office the opportunity to go out a build an offense.[/quote]


well good thing for you your team doesnt play until next week huh?

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We lost this game because we couldn't protect the QB. Plain and simple. Everything else is minutae. Go ahead and focus on stuff that didn't matter much. You and the rest of the know nothings surely will. The rest of us who can objectively judge what went wrong today know the truth. Our WRs weren't even close to a reason we lost the game.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;402378]Hey MT give it a rest.[/QUOTE]

Thank you

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The WRs were bad today but we need to keep Moss, ARE and Mix at least. Maybe Thrash cause he was pretty dependable as well. I like McCardell but he's so damn old he'll probably retire anyway. I could careless about what happens to the rest of them. Big name acquisitions doesn't mean that they'll be good. (Brandon Lloyd?)

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[QUOTE=Smooter;402385]Yeah I still think we need a tall receiver but I cant see us getting rid of Moss or Randle El nor would I want to.[/QUOTE]

I can see keeping El around, he has proven more reliable than Moss, but I'm not sure if he is a 1st or 2nd receiver. As far as Moss, it's just too hard to predict when he's going to come through, not just game to game but play to play. I loved the guy for what he's done against Dallas but man, too much of the time he looks out of it. We need somebody super reliable out there, and I agree w/ Smooter it should be someone tall and strong... what's the future look like for Mix? That guy is a frame.

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See, I have mixed thoughts. I think that Santana is the most overrated player on the team and I was appalled by his effort on the pick...you can't quit on a route the way he did. However, you have to keep the guy around, he's got great heart and can be a good football player. I think they need to get a legit #1 receiver and move him to 2 and put ARE in the slot. That's about the only way I can see the passing attack getting better next season.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;402416]We lost this game because we couldn't protect the QB. Plain and simple. Everything else is minutae. Go ahead and focus on stuff that didn't matter much. You and the rest of the know nothings surely will. The rest of us who can objectively judge what went wrong today know the truth. Our WRs weren't even close to a reason we lost the game.[/QUOTE]

I don't think u read the thread to begin with. I said o-line probably needs to be primary focus (that's so obvious my wife started pointing it out 2 or 3 minutes into the game) but clearly the WR corps needs work. Just not enough reliability and production out there. Fact is, dropped passes are detrimental, maybe not as much as a sack on the QB, but still detrimental. We had too many this season and way to many for a playoff game.

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moss had a pretty big td catch today, but him quitting on the int was unacceptable

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[QUOTE=jdlea;402449]See, I have mixed thoughts. I think that Santana is the most overrated player on the team and I was appalled by his effort on the pick...you can't quit on a route the way he did. However, you have to keep the guy around, he's got great heart and can be a good football player. I think they need to get a legit #1 receiver and move him to 2 and put ARE in the slot. That's about the only way I can see the passing attack getting better next season.[/QUOTE]

I like that idea, but do u think Moss becomes more or less reliable as the 2nd option? I kind of feel he has to see a lot of passes to get in a rhythm. It's like he's got to drop a few here and there to get going.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;402457]I like that idea, but do u think Moss becomes more or less reliable as the 2nd option? I kind of feel he has to see a lot of passes to get in a rhythm. It's like he's got to drop a few here and there to get going.[/QUOTE]

If he needs to get drops out of his system in order to "get in rhythm," he doesn't belong on the field. I think he just never really hit his stride this year. I mean, everyone is going to drop balls, and Santana can make a lot of spectacular catches, but I've lost a lot of faith in him this year. Was he inconsistent this year because he had to play with a new QB and then switch QBs in the last few games? Maybe so, but I don't think that's an excuse. I don't know if it's a lapse in focus or anything like that, he just has to do a better job of hauling the ball in. Period.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;402416]We lost this game because we couldn't protect the QB. Plain and simple. Everything else is minutae. Go ahead and focus on stuff that didn't matter much. You and the rest of the know nothings surely will. The rest of us who can objectively judge what went wrong today know the truth. Our WRs weren't even close to a reason we lost the game.[/QUOTE]

Exactly!! Our injuries on the right side of the OL where big today. Heyer is young and very promising rookie, Kerney is a veteran physical pro bowler. What we do need are a DE, CB, OG and WR. We should be able to address this thru the draft and FA and comeback next year and kick everyone's ass!!!

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when we made the playoffs last time we made huge changes and it hurt us the next year, lets not do the same thing here. make a few changes but keep most of the team in tact, keep the same system, etc.

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[QUOTE=Big C;402533]when we made the playoffs last time we made huge changes and it hurt us the next year, lets not do the same thing here. make a few changes but keep most of the team in tact, keep the same system, etc.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree, I think adding a wide out, D end and some depth at our other positions is the way to go. Also, maybe a veteran safety to push Reed Doughty would not be a bad idea

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Chad Johnson.........if we could only duct tape his mouth shut for the entire season. lol.

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O-Line definitely needs improvement. I know we've been hurt this year with the line, but this is an area of concern. We need a safety to replace Doughty. IF they can, try drafting Kenny Phillips from the University of Miami (FL). He's a pretty bad ass safety for them. At wideout, give Mix a chance to prove himself. He and Campbell did well at Auburn. As much as I hate to say this, we need to consider trading or cutting some of our marquee players to get draft picks. Daniel Snyder gave away a bunch of draft picks to get players. We need to allow Coach Gibbs to build the team like he did in the past, where he took no-namers and mad them pro bowlers. I like Coach Gibbs, but get a GM in there and let Coach Gibbs focus on coaching. As far as DE goes, I'm sure there's some good college prospect out there or NFL player with a few years on that isn't a superstar, but is pretty good and could become a star in this system. Overall, we need to build a team that we can have consistent runs over several years, not a year here and a year there. Look at New England, Dallas, Indy, Philly, etc. Just my thoughts. There's always next year, guys. Like 2Pac said, gotta keep your head up.

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[QUOTE=MPNRedskins;402748]O-Line definitely needs improvement. I know we've been hurt this year with the line, but this is an area of concern. We need a safety to replace Doughty. IF they can, try drafting Kenny Phillips from the University of Miami (FL). He's a pretty bad ass safety for them. At wideout, give Mix a chance to prove himself. He and Campbell did well at Auburn. As much as I hate to say this, we need to consider trading or cutting some of our marquee players to get draft picks. Daniel Snyder gave away a bunch of draft picks to get players. We need to allow Coach Gibbs to build the team like he did in the past, where he took no-namers and mad them pro bowlers. I like Coach Gibbs, but get a GM in there and let Coach Gibbs focus on coaching. As far as DE goes, I'm sure there's some good college prospect out there or NFL player with a few years on that isn't a superstar, but is pretty good and could become a star in this system. Overall, we need to build a team that we can have consistent runs over several years, not a year here and a year there. Look at New England, Dallas, Indy, Philly, etc. Just my thoughts. There's always next year, guys. Like 2Pac said, gotta keep your head up.[/QUOTE]

We have all but one (I think) of our draft picks for the next three years at this time. We do have several no names that, while not pro bowlers, are significant contributors. Dallas has been to the playoffs as many times as we have the last two years and Philly has missed the last two

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I'm fine with our WRs. I'd like to add one with height, but Randle El really came on as a solid #2 this season. When Moss has been healthy down the stretch, he has made a number of huge plays, including another long TD catch today. If Collins had been given better protection today, he surely would have made more plays. If we need to draft/invest anywhere, I say get a 2-way DE in the first round, and use the rest of the draft to bolster the O-line.

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[quote=SmootSmack;402757]We have all but one (I think) of our draft picks for the next three years at this time. We do have several no names that, while not pro bowlers, are significant contributors. Dallas has been to the playoffs as many times as we have the last two years and Philly has missed the last two[/quote]Philly made the playoffs as the NFC East Champion last season, winning their last 5 games to finish 10-6. They beat the Giants in the wild card round before losing at NO in the divisional round.

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I only remember one that Caldwell missed, and it was well defended. Was there something else? I've been very impressed with his play this year. He's stepped up when asked to.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;402769]Philly made the playoffs as the NFC East Champion last season, winning their last 5 games to finish 10-6. They beat the Giants in the wild card round before losing at NO in the divisional round.[/QUOTE]

Correct. I meant to say two of the last three. Mea culpa

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;402805]I only remember one that Caldwell missed, and it was well defended. Was there something else? I've been very impressed with his play this year. He's stepped up when asked to.[/QUOTE]

I like Caldwell as a 2/3 next year. You can make wholesale changes at WR when your QB is Tom Brady and/or one of those guys is Randy Moss. In our case, however, with a young QB trying to grasp a complex system some consistency at the WR is key.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;402835]I like Caldwell as a 2/3 next year. You can make wholesale changes at WR when your QB is Tom Brady and/or one of those guys is Randy Moss. In our case, however, with a young QB trying to grasp a complex system some consistency at the WR is key.[/QUOTE]

Next year we get Espi back, Moss, ARE will be back try that kid Mix (great special teamer) draft another burly WR and we are ok. Either McCardell or Caldwell for depth.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;402838]Next year we get Espi back, Moss, ARE will be back try that kid Mix (great special teamer) draft another burly WR and we are ok. Either McCardell or Caldwell for depth.[/QUOTE]

Neither Espy nor Mix has proven anything to be counted on as go to guys, let alone ahead of Caldwell.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;402840]Neither Espy nor Mix has proven anything to be counted on as go to guys, let alone ahead of Caldwell.[/QUOTE]

I have a good feeling about both. Mix has been a great special teamer for us the last 5 games.

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[quote=MPNRedskins;402748]O-Line definitely needs improvement. I know we've been hurt this year with the line, but this is an area of concern. We need a safety to replace Doughty. IF they can, try drafting Kenny Phillips from the University of Miami (FL). He's a pretty bad ass safety for them. At wideout, give Mix a chance to prove himself. He and Campbell did well at Auburn. As much as I hate to say this, we need to consider trading or cutting some of our marquee players to get draft picks. Daniel Snyder gave away a bunch of draft picks to get players. We need to allow Coach Gibbs to build the team like he did in the past, where he took no-namers and mad them pro bowlers. I like Coach Gibbs, but get a GM in there and let Coach Gibbs focus on coaching. As far as DE goes, I'm sure there's some good college prospect out there or NFL player with a few years on that isn't a superstar, but is pretty good and could become a star in this system. Overall, we need to build a team that we can have consistent runs over several years, not a year here and a year there. Look at New England, Dallas, Indy, Philly, etc. Just my thoughts. There's always next year, guys. Like 2Pac said, gotta keep your head up.[/quote]

First of all, they are letting Gibbs build this team the way he wants too. Secondly, if we had a GM, I dont think Gibbs would be able to neccessarily build the team the way he wants too. Thirdly, I think Gibbs and staff are trying to build for the long term. Theres nothing wrong with Reed Doughty, he has made some mistakes due to inexpierence, but his improvement far outweighs his need to be replaced. Finally, 2pac's words of wisdom at the end of the Redskins season......priceless

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I'm not sold on Caldwell. Something about him just screams "unreliable". Maybe it's all the drops.

But seriously, I hate to reuse a hallowed nickname but I wonder if he's not a poor man's 50/50. About half the time he makes good plays but the other half he seems like a liability. McCardell was far more reliable this season than Caldwell, if only he weren't 65 years old.

As far as the other receivers, the only one I am set on is Randle El. Even though I think he's more than capable of being a WR1, he will probably be a guy like Houshmandzadeh who is a bigger threat when he's a WR2 across from another home run threat, than being the central figure in the passing game. The question is, what's going on with Santana? He'll always be a legend here after the Fedex Air Delivery Miracle against Dallas a few years ago, but I wonder if he's still got it all together. Sure didn't look like it tonight.

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Did I miss something? When did Caldwell all of a sudden have all these drops? Seattle had some excellent coverage yesterday and were blanketing our WRs all day.

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Yeah. I'm upset with Moss. He's had a horrible year, bad drops at bad times, and when he gave up on that INT -- I was pissed. He Shockey'd it.

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[quote=Big C;402455]moss had a pretty big td catch today, but him quitting on the int was unacceptable[/quote]

i just dont think he saw it...

and its queue.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;403034]i just dont think he saw it...

and its queue.[/quote]I'm pretty sure it's "cue", but I might be wrong.

"Que" of course is Spanish for "What?!"

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[quote=GTripp0012;403107]I'm pretty sure it's "cue", but I might be wrong.

"Que" of course is Spanish for "What?!"[/quote]

For the sake of this thread, I'm sure it's "cue." If something is in "queue," that means it's lined up and waiting- like when you are printing multiple tasks on a computer, those waiting to print go into "queue." I think.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;402951]Did I miss something? When did Caldwell all of a sudden have all these drops? Seattle had some excellent coverage yesterday and were blanketing our WRs all day.[/QUOTE]

Caldwell was cut from his previous team for dropping the ball much like our own Santana Moss has all season (and yesterday). Though Caldwell was one of our more reliable WR's regular season (not saying much) his drop yesterday was inexcusable. The only catch not made yesterday that was excusable was Cooley in the flat defended by their safety. Moss had drops (two that I remember) that killed us, Cooley had one on the 1yard line that probably meant the difference between a win and a loss - certainly it wasn't a perfectly thrown pass but Cooley was able to get his hands all the way around it and pull it into his body, and in the NFL like every single commentator says those kind of passes need to be caught. Partly why I felt like the drops were more important is because our top WR's were healthy, compared to a 3rd and 4th string o-line. Fabini shouldn't even be a backup anywhere and Heyer shouldn't be active yet, so the troubles there were not surprising. We all know that situation. It's different w/ the receivers. They're healthy, it's the playoffs, and had there been 0 dropped passes instead of the 5 or 6 i counted we're probably headed to Dallas.

Onto the bigger picture, drops were huge all year. I strongly suspect all the dropped passes messed w/ JC's confidence. Some games we saw as many as 7,8, or 9 dropped passes, which easily amounts to over 100 yds of offense. Inexcusable. And nobody can tell me the drops didn't mess w/ TC's confidence yesterday either. Obviously getting smacked around every other play was a big worry but when there's finally a shot to get a first down (especially during that first half) and a perfectly thrown ball bounces off Moss' forearm to yield another 3 and out: that's pretty much gone kill any momentum.

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the only WR that needs to go is lloyd. the other 3 (moss el caldwell) are good. having a stud would be great, but i think this thread was started on a very reactionary note :P

guess how many other teams had franchise QBs go down. (5). how many teams have 2 OL starters on IR? (6). how many of those teams made it to the playoffs? that's right, we were the only one, on both counts.

no rest, cross-country playoff match-up with 10 guys on IR (and one dead) after 4 must wins in a row... it's not like we had the world's best chance to begin with, but it was fun to get caught up in how well we were playing and ignore that other teams were pretty good too (and in much better shape to win a wild card matchup).

that's life. we're a pretty good team, and our depth was much better this year, but there's still work to do there, and a couple spots that could possibly have major upgrades (LB #3, DE #2, SS, WR #1/#2, another CB for when springs finally leaves or can be effective).


and caldwell was cut to give him a better chance at more playing time. he's really a #3/#4 WR, and it's not his fault that NE decided to march him out horribly overmatched for 16+ weeks last year.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;402369]Looking at how poorly key players performed not only today but throughout the season, it is now beyond obvious we need to take a que from the best team/best coach in the league: the NE Patriots/Bill Belichick.

The Pats cleaned house on all their receivers from last year and went out to get high quality guys (unfortunately, we got some of the leavings in Caldwell who dropped a pass today). But the drops, all year long, and the extraordinary mental errors from Moss have been appalling. This is not to mention the complete bust of B. Lloyd. It is time to retire the WR corps and bring in new guys.

This is aside from bringing in new talent on the o-line, which probably remains the top priority, but I think after today the extreme weakness in the WR group cannot be ignored.

However... looking at the bigger picture this season was an enormous improvement over '06. We have a very long way to go but the defense looks pretty solid going forward, which gives coaches/front office the opportunity to go out and build an offense.[/QUOTE]

What a great thread this is. I got banned from one board for chanting this same mantra. Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas have both been injured in each of the last two years. If they can't finish the season then they need replacements to start for them. Replacements that are not scrubs like Fabini.

I agree with your post but there are too numerous positions to talk about.

This chat room stuff gets old because its too slow. I want to know if anybody likes to talk live or if there is a live chat room with audio about the SKINS. If not, I am thinking about starting a Redskins weekly conference call line where we could get together on the phone in a chat room environment.

Anyone else interested except me?

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[quote=fortysixdefense;403382]What a great thread this is. I got banned from one board for chanting this same mantra. Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas have both been injured in each of the last two years. If they can't finish the season then they need replacements to start for them. Replacements that are not scrubs like Fabini.

I agree with your post but there are too numerous positions to talk about.

[B]This chat room stuff gets old because its too slow. I want to know if anybody likes to talk live or if there is a live chat room with audio about the SKINS. If not, I am thinking about starting a Redskins weekly conference call line where we could get together on the phone in a chat room environment.[/B]

[B]Anyone else interested except me[/B]?[/quote]

Maybe you can work on that hot new technology called phone party lines. I heard that's the next big thing, you can talk to like 30 other people ALL at the same time! I'm always on those lines at night while I'm kicking it with my Sony Walkman.

That's hot!

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[QUOTE=fortysixdefense;403382]What a great thread this is. I got banned from one board for chanting this same mantra. Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas have both been injured in each of the last two years. If they can't finish the season then they need replacements to start for them. Replacements that are not scrubs like Fabini.

I agree with your post but there are too numerous positions to talk about.

This chat room stuff gets old because its too slow. I want to know if anybody likes to talk live or if there is a live chat room with audio about the SKINS. If not, I am thinking about starting a Redskins weekly conference call line where we could get together on the phone in a chat room environment.

[B]Anyone else interested except me?[/B][/QUOTE]

Gosh I hope you're the only one interested.

:doh: