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Todd proved there was a reason why he is a career backup.... He has terribly weak arm .... and is the slowest "Turtle Like QB " I have ever seen.... I even saw him throw a few temper tantrums Sunday.... He threw bad passes.... And his lack of mobility made him an easy Target.....Funny how 3 good Games was enough to have many people on this board turn on Campbell... But The Seahawks played Collin's like you should play a slow weak armed QB.... NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK... That was obvious Sunday.... Oh and he waited till the most important game of the year To have turnovers....

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Are you serious in your argument? This was not Collins' fault by any means. The OL played like shit. He did not any time at all. Yes Seattle schemed us pretty darn good but we should have the same. Collins is good qb for this offensive system. I like Campbell but he needs more time before he can be the qb that we know he can be. Just Collins start next season and then give the reins to Campbell. Campbell was rushed into game instead of letting Collins start last season. Believe this--Collins will be back-whether as a backup or the starter for the upcoming season.

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[quote=railcon56;402902]Todd proved there was a reason why he is a career backup.... He has terribly weak arm .... and is the slowest "Turtle Like QB " I have ever seen.... I even saw him throw a few temper tantrums Sunday.... He threw bad passes.... And his lack of mobility made him an easy Target.....Funny how 3 good Games was enough to have many people on this board turn on Campbell... But The Seahawks played Collin's like you should play a slow weak armed QB.... NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK... That was obvious Sunday.... Oh and he waited till the most important game of the year To have turnovers....[/quote]

I think you're absolutely crazy, have no "big-picture" perspective, and are flat out wrong in saying he won't be back.

He'll be back as Campbell's backup. Campbell will still be the starter, as he should. But I'll bet you he comes back.

But man, how can you come down hard on the guy? He hadn't played in 10 years and he leads us to the playoffs with four straight wins, and you show no love? That's harsh. Cambpell's mobility and strong arm are certainly upgrades, but how many backups in the NFL could come in and play like that? We're lucky to have him and would be crazy to let him go.

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way off base. collins played great...our line just couldn't give him time and our receivers didn't want to catch...

what a grab by coooooooley though...

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As good as Brady is (dammit) he would have struggled behind our O line last night. The best QB in the world has to have just a little time back there.

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[QUOTE=railcon56;402902]Todd proved there was a reason why he is a career backup.... He has terribly weak arm .... and is the slowest "Turtle Like QB " I have ever seen.... I even saw him throw a few temper tantrums Sunday.... He threw bad passes.... And his lack of mobility made him an easy Target.....Funny how 3 good Games was enough to have many people on this board turn on Campbell... But The Seahawks played Collin's like you should play a slow weak armed QB.... NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK... That was obvious Sunday.... Oh and he waited till the most important game of the year To have turnovers....[/QUOTE]

we were playing against a SUPER BOWL team!!
this season is the first time he played in 10 years. atleast give him some credit for not sucking. and nobody really turned against campbell. jason was going to start next seson regardless.

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By no objective means was it Collins' fault for the performance yesterday. Simply put, the O-line had nothing for the pass rush. It was more remarkable to me how he bounced back late in the game to throw 2 TDs, one in an extremely accurate spot to Moss. He should be commended for his play, not derided for it.

You've got to push Campbell hard this offseason to learn every aspect of the offense. He doesn't have to perfect it....no one will, not even Collins after years of studying. If Campbell can improve his decision-making, especially in the red zone, that is a much-needed boost. If he can become the next David Garrard, but with more accuracy and deep-ball potential, Jason is automatically a premier QB in the league next season. I thought that 35-yard run by Garrard to set up the game-winning field goal against Pitt was emblematic of what is to come for Jason. Now imagine Jason with a much better grasp of the Saunders' O and the play-making abilities of Garrard. Watch out NFL!

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I think what this proved is that Saunders' system can work here, if he is allowed to implement it fully. With JC back there running the [U]full[/U] system, I think good things will happen.

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Not Collins fault in any way, no help from the O-line. Heck Portis didn't even have help. If Todd sucked witch he doesn't we would have found out before yesterday. You don't win at NY, at Min, vs Dallas back to back to back if you suck. I hope he is back next year at least to help Jason along a bit.

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I have to say that even though the Redskins lost yesterday, I was impressed with Todd Collins. Do you think he will start for the Redskins next year?

Remember when career journeyman Rich Gannon bounced around the league forever, then late in his career he really blossomed for the Raiders. He was NFL MVP and took the Raiders to the Super Bowl in 2002.

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Well, I was very disappointed with him letting his frustrations get to him yesterday. He seemed to get miffed very early. I heard all these stories about him keeping things loose, but yesterday he seemed to lose his composure early. That has to have a negative effect on the team around you.


On that note, I always wondered if the coaching staff would've changed their philosophy while Campbell was QB, if we would've seen similar or better results. Everyone assumes Collins played better than Campbell would have, but if you look at Campbells stats,to me it seems like most of his interceptions came at the end of games, when we had already squandered thin leads. I wonder if we hadn't gone conservative with slim leads, and just played the regular game plan, if Campbell wouldn't have been forced to try to lead us back from behind and force throws, if he would actually thrive in this system.

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No chance. JC has at, IMO, at least 2 full seasons to prove himself. He's shown nothing but promise this year. I have no clue what Collins will do next season. I have a feeling his strength is in his preparation, so I'm not sure how he'd do on another team.

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Dumb thread.

He will be back, and he's a quality backup to have around.

Not much anyone could have done yesterday against that pressure.

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[QUOTE=railcon56;402902]Todd proved there was a reason why he is a career backup.... He has terribly weak arm .... and is the slowest "Turtle Like QB " I have ever seen.... I even saw him throw a few temper tantrums Sunday.... He threw bad passes.... And his lack of mobility made him an easy Target.....Funny how 3 good Games was enough to have many people on this board turn on Campbell... But The Seahawks played Collin's like you should play a slow weak armed QB.... NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK... That was obvious Sunday.... Oh and he waited till the most important game of the year To have turnovers....[/QUOTE]

He waited to have turnovers? Like he was trying to sabotage the team? That comment alone makes anything else you're trying to say not worth reading.

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todd played well when he had protection and not so well when he didn't. pretty simple really. i'd like to see him as the backup again next season. let brunell go and keep a young kid as the 3rd qb

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[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;402907]

what a grab by coooooooley though...[/QUOTE]

After his 2 dropped balls right?
How many catches did our receivers drop in the 1st half anyway?

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[quote=SmootSmack;402945]He waited to have turnovers? Like he was trying to sabotage the team? That comment alone makes anything else you're trying to say not worth reading.[/quote]

Thats just unreal, the guy plays great for 4 games to lead us into the playoffs all so he can make two turnovers and ruin our season? Someone needs to think a little more if possible before they start a thread of this nature. :doh:

Todd was under a huge amount of pressure ALL day, I don't think any QB could have done any better. I think he will be in the wings of Jason for the next couple of years, he showed me why the team decided to put him in the #2 QB position this season ( in front of MB) well deserved.

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Thats pretty ignorant man.. O-line was shitty. Collins stepped up for us the last 4 games. I hope to god he's back next year to either back up or start.

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[quote=railcon56;402902]Todd proved there was a reason why he is a career backup.... He has terribly weak arm .... and is the slowest "Turtle Like QB " I have ever seen.... I even saw him throw a few temper tantrums Sunday.... He threw bad passes.... And his lack of mobility made him an easy Target.....Funny how 3 good Games was enough to have many people on this board turn on Campbell... But The Seahawks played Collin's like you should play a slow weak armed QB.... NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK... That was obvious Sunday.... Oh and he waited till the most important game of the year To have turnovers....[/quote]
Your post says a great deal about how much you know about football.

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Our offensive game plan was complete trash. The Hawks did to us what we did to the Vikings. They staked the line plus they double covered Santana the whole day. Skins didn't make adjustments until the end of third qtr and early fourth qtr run and they could finish when they had to.

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[quote=SmootSmack;402945]He waited to have turnovers? Like he was trying to sabotage the team? That comment alone makes anything else you're trying to say not worth reading.[/quote]
No I didnt say he meant to sabatoage the team.... but alot was made about how Campbell had turned the ball over and Collins hadn't...Well he did in the Last game.. Too much credit was given to him before this game.. And I do think He had played well in the 4 games....But Just about everyone here crowned him ... I watched weeks of...Campbell wasn't ready... And Campbell was villified.... Well Collin's weaknesses came out... Alot was made of his quickly getting rid of the ball... Well i saw several times when he held the ball too long yesterday... And stood there very immobile not stepping up at all... And Sorry but he Did throw bad passes yesterday... His lack of mobility proved to be a liabilty.... He was dealing with the same thing Campbell was ALL SEASON... no time .... So now you say oh the offensive Line didn't give him time....Well of course they didn't.... BUT my point is had he won the game there would have been more of.... Well Collins is showing what the system can do... and Campbell never played well... Well NONE of that happened.... He played well but his weak arm, lack of mobility and Temperment shows he is a Career backup..... Nothing more...

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[QUOTE=railcon56;402975]No I didnt say he meant to sabatoage the team.... but alot was made about how Campbell had turned the ball over and Collins hadn't...Well he did in the Last game.. Too much credit was given to him before this game.. And I do think He had played well in the 4 games....But Just about everyone here crowned him ... I watched weeks of...Campbell wasn't ready... And Campbell was villified.... Well Collin's weaknesses came out... Alot was made of his quickly getting rid of the ball... Well i saw several times when he held the ball too long yesterday... And stood there very immobile not stepping up at all... And Sorry but he Did throw bad passes yesterday... His lack of mobility proved to be a liabilty.... He was dealing with the same thing Campbell was ALL SEASON... no time .... So now you say oh the offensive Line didn't give him time....Well of course they didn't.... BUT my point is had he won the game there would have been more of.... Well Collins is showing what the system can do... and Campbell never played well... Well NONE of that happened.... He played well but his weak arm, lack of mobility and Temperment shows he is a Career backup..... Nothing more...[/QUOTE]

I'll respond in your format:

Then why did you say he waited until the most important game, does that not imply that you're saying he did it on purpose...fact is Campbell was turning the ball over, even he would tell you that (particularly his fumbles) is something that needs to be improved on,,,

You know what, never mind the rest. I don't know even know what your point is.

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Seattle was probably the hardest test for us in the playoffs, especially at home. There gonna go far, maybe the super bowl.

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[quote=SmootSmack;402978]I'll respond in your format:

Then why did you say he waited until the most important game, does that not imply that you're saying he did it on purpose...fact is Campbell was turning the ball over, even he would tell you that (particularly his fumbles) is something that needs to be improved on,,,

You know what, never mind the rest. I don't know even know what your point is.[/quote]
Hell NO I never meant he did it on purpose... Geez... I meant well he hadnt played long enough to be compared to Campbell tunovers...And in the Dallas Game he had 2 fumbles too...But I just meant People were too quick to give him All the credit...... To me he didnt play well... Even if we did give him Credit Campbell didnt need to be villified... and he was....

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That is true, he did fumble against the Cowboys.

Anyhow, Campbell was never vilified as you say. If some did, that's their problem and you don't need to generalize that everyone was vilifying JC and ready to crown Collins. The majority consensus has been that the offensive line (Heyer and Fabini) and Collins played beyond expectations down the stretch. And that Collins knows this offense best, better than Campbell particularly, so we saw under Collins what this offense is truly capable of. Yet the majority consensus is that Campbell has a very bright future and this is his team. Still, we shouldn't rip Collins for his overall body of work this past month

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[quote=railcon56;402986]Hell NO I never meant he did it on purpose... Geez... I meant well he hadnt played long enough to be compared to Campbell tunovers...And in the Dallas Game he had 2 fumbles too...But I just meant People were too quick to give him All the credit...... To me he didnt play well... Even if we did give him Credit Campbell didnt need to be villified... and he was....[/quote]

How did we vilify JC? I think if anything we just chalked his mistakes up to inexperience and that they could be corrected over time with more practice. I think TC has the experience but as you were saying about his temperament it seemed as if EVERYTHING was going wrong for the Skins in that game. If everything you tried wasn't working, don't you think you'd get upset too? It was a lot riding on that game, they were playing away, they were making mistakes, the O-Line might as well have been non-existant, WRs were dropping passes. I'm sure everything just came to a boil for TC and he was losing it. That's nothing to discredit him for. TC is a backup and by no means starting material but in my eyes he's reliable.

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If [a big word]moss and collins had been on the same page and scored a TD instead of the intercepted TD it would have been different

Looks to me like we need a Fullback that can gain a yard
Are there any in free agency available?
need another wr, pass rusher and secondary help to improve our chances next year

QUOTE=railcon56;402986]Hell NO I never meant he did it on purpose... Geez... I meant well he hadnt played long enough to be compared to Campbell tunovers...And in the Dallas Game he had 2 fumbles too...But I just meant People were too quick to give him All the credit...... To me he didnt play well... Even if we did give him Credit Campbell didnt need to be villified... and he was....[/QUOTE]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;402997]How did we vilify JC? TC is a backup and by no means starting material but in my eyes he's reliable.[/quote]
If You look at the tread title you will see .... He was a good backup... And he did play well previously .... But I saw threads that said Was Campbell Really Ready.... I also saw This proves what a QB can do in an NFL system... As I said GOOD BACKUP...and He did well...But he is a Backup...

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At this point Collins is a better QB than Campbell. I'm not sure campbell would have completed a pass last night considering all the heat the D was putting on the QB. Collins isnt as mobile or have the cannon arm of JC but right now he thinks faster and gets the ball out much quicker. It will be very interesting to see what will happen with QB in the offseason.

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[quote=rk3025;403002]Looks to me like we need a Fullback that can gain a yard Are there any in free agency available?[/quote]
Selers is a Great Fullback....

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[QUOTE=railcon56;403006]If You look at the tread title you will see .... He was a good backup... And he did play well previously .... But I saw threads that said Was Campbell Really Ready.... I also saw This proves what a QB can do in an NFL system... As I said GOOD BACKUP...and He did well...But he is a Backup...[/QUOTE]

I'm sensing that you just don't know what "Vilify" means

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Todd Collins helped the Redskins win 4 games in get us into the playoffs. If you look at it as a regular season, we are 4-1 with Todd Collins. It really isn't all that bad. I do want to have Jason Campbell back next season as starter because he is the future of the Skins. With his speed and agility, I think he will turn out to be a good QB.

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Collins knows the offense well and caught lightning in a bottle as far as the team's motivation with Taylor's passing. I think he did a fantastic job, and he has good chemistry with the team. I think Jason will be the unquestioned starter going into next season, but it's good to know we have a 1A-1B QB situation.

I don't think we have to worry about Todd signing with another team. He only played 4 good games and he'll be 37 next season. I also don't think he'll start another game for us unless Campbell gets hurt again.

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Campbell was never vilified, this thread is getting dumber by the minute.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;403035]Collins knows the offense well and caught lightning in a bottle as far as the team's motivation with Taylor's passing. I think he did a fantastic job, and he has good chemistry with the team. I think Jason will be the unquestioned starter going into next season, but it's good to know we have a 1A-1B QB situation.

I don't think we have to worry about Todd signing with another team. He only played 4 good games and he'll be 37 next season. I also don't think he'll start another game for us unless Campbell gets hurt again.[/QUOTE]

I am just not convinced JC is the answer at QB in this system. He takes way too long to make decisions and his delivery is not quick. He might work out but right now I'm not sure. Collins is 37 but he has no miles on him. I can easily see Collins having 3 or 4 more good years because he has not been banged up.

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[QUOTE=railcon56;402902]Todd proved there was a reason why he is a career backup.... He has terribly weak arm .... and is the slowest "Turtle Like QB " I have ever seen.... I even saw him throw a few temper tantrums Sunday.... He threw bad passes.... And his lack of mobility made him an easy Target.....Funny how 3 good Games was enough to have many people on this board turn on Campbell... But The Seahawks played Collin's like you should play a slow weak armed QB.... NO WAY HE WILL BE BACK... That was obvious Sunday.... Oh and he waited till the most important game of the year To have turnovers....[/QUOTE]

Lay off the booze and the knee jerk reactions. Nobody has turned on Campbell except for your imagination.

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In fact I think the word vilified needs to be completely thrown out of whatever his (railcon's) argument is because it's being terribly misused.

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[quote=Mattyk72;403038]Campbell was never vilified, this thread is getting dumber by the minute.[/quote]
But you didnt think this one was dumb?
[URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/21601-was-campbell-really-ready.html?highlight=campbell+ready[/URL]

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[QUOTE=railcon56;403060]But you didnt think this one was dumb?
[URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/21601-was-campbell-really-ready.html?highlight=campbell+ready[/URL][/QUOTE]

That thread is neither dumb nor does it vilify Jason Campbell in anyway. The OP basically said Campbell is going to be a great QB for this team (something 90% of the fans agree with,) but Collins knew the system better than Campbell (which is fact considering he was in KC with Saunders.)

That in no way implies that people turned their backs on Campbell or implied Collins is bound for Canton. It just simply implied Collins was the right choice for [B]right now[/B]. Right now is over. Next season will have Campbell back in the driver's seat.

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[quote=irish;403041]I am just not convinced JC is the answer at QB in this system. He takes way too long to make decisions and his delivery is not quick. He might work out but right now I'm not sure. Collins is 37 but he has no miles on him. I can easily see Collins having 3 or 4 more good years because he has not been banged up.[/quote]
Posts like this were the norm... Now because I am saying the same about Collins... I am just drunk... or knee jerked?? No way.... before the game I knew his mobility would be a liability ...and it was ...and always will be.... plus the int to Moss ...he had no business attempting to throw a pass that long with his arm strength...