Len Pastabelly on Gibbs' Retirement: "Just An Ordinary Joe"
 

Len Pastabelly [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=3186628"]speaks[/URL]. Here's a quote for the ages, "[U]the elephant burial ground that is the Washington franchise[/U] has, in a sense, claimed another victim." How does this jackass have a job? Did he win a pie-eating contest or something?

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What a f-ing douchebag.

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Since Coach Gibbs' return, the "just an ordinary Joe" comment from Pastabelly's 2004 article has always stuck in the back of my mind. I wanted so much for Joe to walk away from here with no less than an NFC title, so that fat bastard Pastabelly would have to eat his words. I see he didn't waste anytime taking the opportunity to rub it in our faces.

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What a tiresome prick. I'll give him this though: It takes a lot of nuts for a worthless jag off like that to call Joe Gibbs names. If Gibbs is ordinary, then where does that leave Len? Barrel Scum? Fermented toilet-seat piss? I don't think I can dig low enough verbally.

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That man is disgusting; I wouldn't even use his toupe/comb-over as a jizz rag.

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He's a fat piece of shit that needs to f-ing get over whatever beef he has with the Skins. Seriously, who in there right mind would go out of there way to pretty much shit on a Hall of Famers career?

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he's a tool. that article was clearly written back when gibbs first took the position a few years ago and only changed the dates.

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The guy is such an asshole. He said he didn't have the ability to connect with players and push their buttons emotionally to get them in the right place. ????? Really Lenny boy? What happened in 2005 and this year? He galvanized those teams and brought guys together. Does he not listen to player interviews? This team LOVED Gibbs while he was here. I'd really like to smack that dude.

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[quote=Redskins_P;404745]He's a fat piece of shit that needs to f-ing get over whatever beef he has with the Skins. Seriously, who in there right mind would go out of there way to pretty much shit on a Hall of Famers career?[/quote]
You know he's been sitting around waiting for this. Salivating even. The timing of the article shows that.

Whatever. Joe never has been, nor ever will be ordinary.

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Isn't his fatass an Eagles fan? That would make sense.

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He definitely has some type of hatred towards the Redskins...pretty tasteless article. If I didn't know better, I'd swear he was a big Dallas fan....so maybe the Eagles thing is true.

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I know you guys don't like it, but has Joe Gibbs been anything more than ordinary in his second stint? Defend your answer. Don't just call him a prick, but why should the public view a coach with a losing record in his second stint be deemed some sort of deity around the NFL. No one is taking away from what Gibbs did in the 80s and 90s, but prove to me using facts WHY Joe Gibbs should be seen as anything but an ordinary NFL coach in his second stint. You may not like the article, but that doesn't make it false, or means he 'hates' the Redskins. Every team thinks the media hates them.

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[quote=Daseal;404756]I know you guys don't like it, but has Joe Gibbs been anything more than ordinary in his second stint? Defend your answer. Don't just call him a prick, but why should the public view a coach with a losing record in his second stint be deemed some sort of deity around the NFL. No one is taking away from what Gibbs did in the 80s and 90s, but prove to me using facts WHY Joe Gibbs should be seen as anything but an ordinary NFL coach in his second stint. You may not like the article, but that doesn't make it false, or means he 'hates' the Redskins. Every team thinks the media hates them.[/quote]

Nobody has to answer any essay questions for you, Professor. You're not John Houseman and this is not The Paper Chase.

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[quote]Nobody has to answer any essay questions for you, Professor. You're not John Houseman and this is not The Paper Chase.[/quote]
Thanks for proving my point, if you had any ammunition you would have gladly unloaded on me. LP in his piece praises Gibbs for all the reasons he should have, his leadership abilities. LP is doing what a journalist should do, not looking at what he's done long ago in the past to judge what he's done now.

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Leave it Daseal to agree with the article....:rolleyes:

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Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.

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[quote=Lady Brave;404737]Since Coach Gibbs' return, the "just an ordinary Joe" comment from Pastabelly's 2004 article has always stuck in the back of my mind. I wanted so much for Joe to walk away from here with no less than an NFC title, so that fat bastard Pastabelly would have to eat his words. I see he didn't waste anytime taking the opportunity to rub it in our faces.[/quote]Typical of him to pat himself on the back by kicking Gibbs as he heads out the door. Joe Gibbs has more class and dignity than an angry loser like Pastabelly could ever appreciate.

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What a jerk.

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[quote=Daseal;404760]Thanks for proving my point, if you had any ammunition you would have gladly unloaded on me. LP in his piece praises Gibbs for all the reasons he should have, his leadership abilities. LP is doing what a journalist should do, not looking at what he's done long ago in the past to judge what he's done now.[/quote]

The only thing that's been proven here is that you have an inflated view of your own significance which has led you start issuing commands to other people. How strange.

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[quote=Daseal;404762]Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.[/quote]

Point is he didn't need to basically thumb his nose at us with his choice of words. That's all. He could have been a bit more tactful.

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[quote]The only thing that's been proven here is that you have an inflated view of your own significance which has led you start issuing commands to other people. How strange.[/quote]

Or I came to a discussion forum to try to incite some actual discussion. Either or.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;404762]Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to dispute anything. Its clearly his own personal opinion. Is anyone else calling him an "ordinary joe" in the media? I think he deserves respect because he's earned it. He's earned it by being a winner and by coming back 14 years later to try and restore some of that. He may not have won us a Superbowl, and he may have made costly mistakes at times, but he was always the first one to take the blame when things went wrong. How can you not respect that? Its not like he fielded an absolutely terrible team every Sunday.


He had his players playing hard for him. And he did that after suffering one of the biggest tragedies in sports history.

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[quote=Daseal;404756]I know you guys don't like it, but has Joe Gibbs been anything more than ordinary in his second stint? Defend your answer. Don't just call him a prick, but why should the public view a coach with a losing record in his second stint be deemed some sort of deity around the NFL. No one is taking away from what Gibbs did in the 80s and 90s, but prove to me using facts WHY Joe Gibbs should be seen as anything but an ordinary NFL coach in his second stint. You may not like the article, but that doesn't make it false, or means he 'hates' the Redskins. Every team thinks the media hates them.[/quote]

We were a joke for 11 years before he came back. Save for that playoff appearance in '99, we had done nothing but look like a joke for over a decade. We've gone to the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years. Plus Gibbs pulled us out of the ashes this year. At 5-7 in the wake of the murder of our best player, he kept the entire organization together. Even Pasquerelli agrees that he did a great job in that regard.

Plus he leaves behind an extremely experienced staff which he assembled, and a very talented team of players he brought in. We are in much, much better shape than we were prior to his return in '04. So he may not have won another Super Bowl. But he righted the ship. We were a sinking franchise. We're not anymore. Do you disagree?

On paper his win-loss record looks ordinary. But his body of work with the organization over the last four years is far from ordinary.

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[quote]Point is he didn't need to basically thumb his nose at us with his choice of words. That's all.[/quote]

Matty -- did you read the entire article? I think a lot of the people here read the choice quote, and it really didn't seem that bad. LP gave both the good and bad of the Gibbs era. Yes, he brought up an article he posted earlier, but in fairness LP has stuck to his guns something we criticize for on a regular basis. The whole article seemed like a decent run down of his 2nd stint here.

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I really don't agree with this quote:

[QUOTE]He was, simply, too old to handle his players, to understand their perspectives, to push their buttons in this era of salary-cap football[/QUOTE]

Everything coming out of the players mouths lately speaks to the exact opposite.

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i agree, i think the choice of words said it more. what was parcells record both playoffs and otherwise in dallas in his 12th stint?

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[quote=Daseal;404775]Matty -- did you read the entire article? I think a lot of the people here read the choice quote, and it really didn't seem that bad. LP gave both the good and bad of the Gibbs era. Yes, he brought up an article he posted earlier, but in fairness LP has stuck to his guns something we criticize for on a regular basis. The whole article seemed like a decent run down of his 2nd stint here.[/quote]

Yeah I read the entire article. Did you?

His "I told you so" attitude is what rubs me the wrong way.

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[quote=Daseal;404762]Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.[/quote]
It's the timing of the article that I have problem with. Do you agree with some of the pot shots he took at Gibbs in the article? Some of those comments weren't necessary.

I do have a legitimate gripe with Pastabelly. Mainly because when he was confronted in 2004 about the original article by a member of ES, Pastabelly got in a somewhat heated argument and said, "When I get questions from Redskins fans, i usually try to ignore them. I hate you f*ckers."

There's an unbiased journalist for you. :rolleyes:

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[quote]We were a joke for 11 years before he came back. Save for that playoff appearance in '99, we had done nothing but look like a joke for over a decade. We've gone to the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years. Plus Gibbs pulled us out of the ashes this year. At 5-7 in the wake of the murder of our best player, he kept the entire organization together. Even Pasquerelli agrees that he did a great job in that regard.

Plus he leaves behind an extremely experienced staff which he assembled, and a very talented team of players he brought in. We are in much, much better shape than we were prior to his return in '04. So he may not have won another Super Bowl. But he righted the ship. We were a sinking franchise. We're not anymore. Do you disagree?

On paper his win-loss record looks ordinary. But his body of work with the organization over the last four years is far from ordinary.[/quote]

Nice post, GmScud -- as you say LP admitted he was the guy for the Taylor tragedy. The staff assembled is a great point, he has brought in many talented coaches that will help our team. I feel Gibbs did very well off the field. He brought in great coaches and some players through FA and the draft, Joe Gibbs as team president was a win for the Redskins, it was the actual coaching aspect I have had issues with.

[quote]We were a sinking franchise. We're not anymore. Do you disagree? [/quote]
I'm not quite sure about this. I believe that Joe Gibbs also assembled the oldest team in the NFL (not sure where I can check this fact, believe I heard it on ESPN a month or so ago -- but can't provide a link), our O line is in big trouble with age, and I'm worried about the work load Portis has seen. I don't think we're sinking, but I also don't think we're ready to float right to the top.

[quote]On paper his win-loss record looks ordinary. But his body of work with the organization over the last four years is far from ordinary.[/quote]
This is what I somewhat disagree with. While playoffs are playoffs, we made both runs by the skin of our teeth on a combination of luck and clicking at the right time. It was also the inconsistency that killed me.

I'll agree 100% that the President part of Gibbs was a success. On the field, I was disappointed. But it's not about that -- I just didn't find this article horribly insulting, I don't think much by the quote by SGG was read by most.

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who gives a flying monkey f**k what that overweight walking ass clown thinks?what do you expect from a guy who's highlight of everyday is jerking off in the GD shower????

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The headline alone is enough to show Pasta's disrespect. And, no, Daseal, I did not, and will not read the article. I don't like the guy and the way he writes about the skins.

GMscud adequately addressed why people on this board do not like the article or the writer.

Also, IMHO, today isn't the day to go back and evaluate how well JG II went. Today is a day to honor coach Gibbs. You want to get a rise out of folks by defending Lenny P, fine, that's your prerogative. But don't expect much beyond rancor, because the guy is loved by many of us, and he retired today. They'll be plenty of days to delve into the ups and downs of Gibbs' second stint.

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The article is not horrible, I will say that and he goes give some credit to Gibbs for dealing with the Taylor tragedy. But when you start off with title like that, it's not going to win many fans with a guy who's already pretty despised amongst Redskins fans.

Overall though I just can't help but think he was chomping at the bit to toss this article out there with that title, just to poke at Skins fans and say "HAH, I was right"!

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The fact is we are in better position now than we were four years ago. By and large we're making smart free agent and draft decisions (with the picks we have had), we retain the key players we have, players give their all for Gibbs. As does everyone else in the organization because he gives their all for him.

Doesn't understand the player's perspectives? What a load of BS! Who made the call to let players have their own workout program this past offseason. Who made the call to go light on practices down the stretch this year because the team was so emotionally spent.

I said yesterday in another thread and I'll say it again today. I dealt internally with the Redskins for nearly five years in the late 90s/early 00s. What I saw for most of the team was a wretched, horribly run franchise with no structure, pride or accountability. Even from an outsider's perspective now I can see that culture has changed. We've been to the playoffs twice in the past two years, which to some is nothing. But if you remember where we've been that's a big accomplishment. We have a core group of young players with a lot of promise that have dipped their toes in playoff competition and are now ready to dive in.

Sometimes you have to look beyond 31-36 and ask yourself did Joe Gibbs leave the franchise (from top to bottom) a better place than when he found it. And when you do, you'll understand there is nothing ordinary about Joe.

(As for LP, well I have a few things to say about him. But I shouldn't speak ill of a colleague).

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[quote=Daseal;404762]Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.[/quote]


every year there are 50 analysts that pick the cardinals to win their division. they sing their praises from the rooftops, and why? what have they done to earn any respect? Everyone should shit on them all the time. They're a pathetic franchise.


Gibbs VASTLY improved our team and more importantly, keeps a hand on our owner, who listens to him out of respect. The 2 playoff years he had in the four years he was here should earn him respect, given that this team had gone only once in the TWELVE years since he left, not to mention his historical accomplishments.

I won't read the article... I don't have to. He's self-serving in writing it. The audacity of the title itself infuriates me

I'll ask you this, why has pasquerelli earned enough respect and credit for you to defend him? what has he done? People defend Joe Gibbs, and say he should't be attacked in the media... he's earned a pass, and you say we need to justify it to you? Why?

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[quote=Daseal;404785]This is what I somewhat disagree with. While playoffs are playoffs, we made both runs by the skin of our teeth on a combination of luck and clicking at the right time.[/quote]

I'll never understand that take. Luck? What luck is involved with 4 and 5 game winning streaks?? In this streak and in '05, the Skins won those games pretty convincingly. I'm really at a loss to figure out where luck was involved.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;404794](As for LP, well I have a few things to say about him. But I shouldn't speak ill of a colleague).[/QUOTE]

Just say it. He's fat stinky bastard. We won't tell anyone.

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yeah look at the organization before and after gibbs. we were a mess, now we have stabilized and actually have a direction, made the playoffs twice in 4 years, when was the last time we did that?

john clayton mentioned the same thing, stabilized the franchise

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also, he freaking ran to his typewriter and wrote that crap day 1? i mean let it settle or something before that.

like i said, he's had this ready for a while. i guess that's just the media. at any rate, who cares about this guy. i try to disregard his articles.

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Well it has been documented that Len's enmity towards Redskins fans is not imaginary. Personally, I don't know why we get so riled up after all this time when we know he's going to slam us any chance that he gets.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;404756]I know you guys don't like it, but has Joe Gibbs been anything more than ordinary in his second stint? Defend your answer. Don't just call him a prick, but why should the public view a coach with a losing record in his second stint be deemed some sort of deity around the NFL. No one is taking away from what Gibbs did in the 80s and 90s, but prove to me using facts WHY Joe Gibbs should be seen as anything but an ordinary NFL coach in his second stint. You may not like the article, but that doesn't make it false, or means he 'hates' the Redskins. Every team thinks the media hates them.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

Over the course of his career Gibbs was great for the Skins. He was coach the only time they have had success.

As for this second go around, Gibbs was less than ordinary, and a disappointment. In the end it did not turn out how any of us would have expected.